Re: MAJOR TEACHER VENT!!!!!!!!!!!

March 21, 2003

In a message dated 3/21/03 3:26:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

> On Monday she earned the rollers, Tuesday hairbrush, Wednesday

> scrunchies, Thursday hair barrettes and today the party. Well, because of

>

Ok - I'm missing the point of this. If the child messes up on the first day

of the week (Monday) then there is no way they can " earn " the party, right?

So what is the incentive to behave the rest of the week?

- B

March 21, 2003

I wonder how smart this teacher is. Most of our children do not recall what

they had done wrong over a long span of time. I know mine doesn't, for that

matter often her typical siblings forget too. With her it is a cause and

effect thing. She looses playground time. And it is on the day that she

" messes up. " If she would have to pay the cost of error at the end of a week

it would not work out too well. She does however earn a reward for good

behavior in the same way.

The thing that really bothers me here is that she is basically being treated

badly in front of her classmates. The peer thing is so very important. I

cannot imagine how this may be effecting her self esteem.

You should hold a teacher appreciation lunch at the school and " fail " to

include this teacher, but do it in full view of her....see how she likes it.

March 21, 2003

In a message dated 3/21/2003 7:01:21 PM Central Standard Time, RSYOSH writes:

>

> >> On Monday she earned the rollers, Tuesday hairbrush, Wednesday

>> scrunchies, Thursday hair barrettes and today the party. Well, because of

>>

>

> Ok - I'm missing the point of this. If the child messes up on the first

> day of the week (Monday) then there is no way they can " earn " the party,

> right? So what is the incentive to behave the rest of the week?

>

> - B

HI

Rewards for the party are given daily, see if Sara messed up on Tuesday then

she would not have received a hairbrush, I asked what was today's reward

towards the party and she told me it was the " services " meaning the beauty

parlor treatment ....... the stylist uggggggg so she sat holding her bag or

rewards/beauty products ....... she couldn't have the services and

participate

I want to thank all of you for your support ............ I got so teary eyed

reading all of them Now Im really stressing I cant find Sara's IEP

notebook Ive put it somewhere I think before spring break and I CANT FIND IT

NOW .... please small prayers so I can get myself organized ASAP heehee

Kathy mom to Sara 11 ............. I keep thinking what if she messed up on

Ice Cream Sundae week, would they have sent her daily rewards home in a brown

bag on Friday ... one was 2 scoops of ice cream lolol

March 21, 2003

In a message dated 3/21/2003 7:13:13 PM Central Standard Time,

bmitchell@... writes:

> Is there a school psychologist who can teach this teacher about

> behavior, rewards and punishment for children with delays? This teacher

> obviously needs some help! This is cruel for any child, and especially

> a child with delays.

> Barbara (mom of Mark, 15, DS)

HI

We do have a traveling behavior specialist but she spends most of her time in

Sara's school lol I am going to make it mandatory that the sped teacher makes

no more decisions on behavior, any action must go through a higher channel

like the behavior specialist. Her poor judgment has reflected into too many

violations this year. I know I shouldn't say this but the woman needs a child

she is soooooooo clueless to what we feel as moms and how to react to kids.

Kathy mom to Sara 11

March 21, 2003

In a message dated 3/21/03 5:26:55 PM Central Standard Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

> they also thought it was appropriate that my child had to sit and WATCH

> IT!!!!!!!

Againe????????????? well i guess it's a different school from the one which

did the popcorn parties? I would think that if it's the same school the

administration would have made sure that this teacher stayed on task. hehe.

since they'd already know that you wouldn't be very pleased. sheese.

now you get on task kathy (hehe) seems you've given her (teaher) breaks, but

I hope you;ve at least noted the times when you've given 'her' a little rope

rather then slap her down so you can now state all the instances when she's

violated the IEP to her bosses.

good luck. :-)

Joy

March 21, 2003

In a message dated 3/21/2003 6:31:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

> the stylist uggggggg so she sat holding her bag or

> rewards/beauty products

I really think that is emotional abuse. I would be SO angry!

Go for it, Kathy!!

March 21, 2003

In a message dated 3/21/2003 8:33:52 PM Central Standard Time,

JTesmer799@... writes:

> Againe????????????? well i guess it's a different school from the one which

> did the popcorn parties? I would think that if it's the same school the

> administration would have made sure that this teacher stayed on task.

> hehe.

> since they'd already know that you wouldn't be very pleased. sheese.

>

> now you get on task kathy (hehe) seems you've given her (teaher) breaks,

> but

> I hope you;ve at least noted the times when you've given 'her' a little

> rope

> rather then slap her down so you can now state all the instances when she's

> violated the IEP to her bosses.

>

> good luck. :-)

>

> Joy

Oooh Joy same school different sped teacher ugggggg I looked back into old

paper work and it was the school yr. of 1999-2000 we legally stated that she

would be pulled from class if she didn't earn an activity ... at that time it

was popcorn parties.

Yes, I have documented all of the violations for this year and I noticed in

the communication book for yesterday while in the math block they did

shopping. Now there is no way any of Sara's objectives in math can be worked

on in a shopping theme. I imagine the teacher has now taken on this task as

to teach my daughter how to shop instead of working on IEP objectives. She

knows I do not want any life skills taught until a later time geeesh at least

not until HS. This will also be discussed.

Kathy mom to Sara 11 ................ this woman has very poor judgment and

she can be real attitudieeeeeee ... I can beat her in this area lolol

March 21, 2003

i think this is terrible...i wouldn't want this women in my childs life either.

sounds like you have been too easy on them. i would not allow any thing like

this for ted. it sounds downright cruel.

gail

<<have to allow this woman to violate Sara's IEP??????

Ooooh I didnt tell you Sara met me in her hallway with her stapled brown

paper sack full of the beauty supplies ............ she looked so sad

Kathy mom to Sara 11 ........... sooooooooooo impressed there are no 4 letter

words in this email lol>>

March 21, 2003

That does sound cruel-- and spiteful.

The positive element of PBS clearly isn't registering with this teacher.

I can picture Sara's reaction; go for it, Kathy.

Re: MAJOR TEACHER VENT!!!!!!!!!!!

i think this is terrible...i wouldn't want this women in my childs life

either. sounds like you have been too easy on them. i would not allow any

thing like this for ted. it sounds downright cruel.

gail

<<have to allow this woman to violate Sara's IEP??????

Ooooh I didnt tell you Sara met me in her hallway with her stapled brown

paper sack full of the beauty supplies ............ she looked so sad

Kathy mom to Sara 11 ........... sooooooooooo impressed there are no 4

letter

words in this email lol>>

March 21, 2003

Is there a school psychologist who can teach this teacher about

behavior, rewards and punishment for children with delays? This teacher

obviously needs some help! This is cruel for any child, and especially

a child with delays.

Barbara (mom of Mark, 15, DS)

RSYOSH@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/21/03 3:26:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> b4alltoday@... writes:

>

> > On Monday she earned the rollers, Tuesday hairbrush, Wednesday

> > scrunchies, Thursday hair barrettes and today the party. Well,

> because of

> >

>

> Ok - I'm missing the point of this. If the child messes up on the

> first day

> of the week (Monday) then there is no way they can " earn " the party,

> right?

> So what is the incentive to behave the rest of the week?

>

> - B

>

March 21, 2003

Now Kathy- get out the old hip boots and our much worn and

creased/folded piece of paper with all our names written on it to give

you strength.. We are all here for you- you know that.

Now why does your daughter need to be taught shop??? Doesn't she have a

few sisters?? And a mother????? Ohhhh I get it- you abuse her by not

taking her to the mall??? I thought your little was already quite

proficient in shopping she doesn't need help She is a girl after

all It is an inborn thing..... hehehehehehehee- sorry- sleep

devprivation humor.........

>

> to teach my daughter how to shop

>

--

Leis.... Aussie mum to 5 ,Natasha 1 and Jellybean due Oct 03

An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an

adventure wrongly considered.

G. K. Chesterton (1874 - 1936)

March 22, 2003

In a message dated 3/21/2003 11:53:23 PM Central Standard Time,

lisa@... writes:

> Now why does your daughter need to be taught shop??? Doesn't she have a

> few sisters?? And a mother????? Ohhhh I get it- you abuse her by not

> taking her to the mall??? I thought your little was already quite

> proficient in shopping she doesn't need help She is a girl after

> all It is an inborn thing..... hehehehehehehee- sorry- sleep

> devprivation humor.........

HI

LOL Sara needs no help in the shopping area ............ the skill of

purchasing products will come later for her ....... right now Im busy

teaching my 13 yr. old shopping techniques LOOK FOR SALES lol I think I must

have really pushed this concept on my older son, he will wear the top name

brands but pays pennies for them. He's such a cutie when he calls me to tell

me about his bargain shopping and what he got lololol The concept of not

having to wear name brands didn't sink through though lol

Kathy mom to Sara 11 ............ who's been to the mall as many times as

church lol

March 22, 2003

You should hold a teacher appreciation lunch at the school and " fail " to

include this teacher, but do it in full view of her....see how she likes it.

this is good lol i forgot to say that with ted...they never take anything

away! one would just fail to earn something extra geesh

gail

March 22, 2003

In a message dated 3/22/03 4:54:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,

web4mom@... writes:

>

> Oh, Kathy! These parties seemed like such a great plan until yesterday! I

> was even telling teachers at my school about them.

> Bev

>

Here's a variation that my daughter's resource teacher uses...

The kids are rewarded poker chips during resource class for good behavior &

work. They get CONSTANT reinforcements. For example, has memorized

quite a few early readers. For each one she reads she gets a poker chip. She

probably 10 or more each day. Each child has a cananister to collect the

poker chips in. Every Friday they have " game day " and get to " spend " their

earned poker chips in the " store " and to play various activities. They more

chips you have, the more you can " buy. " Notice that nobody gets left out

(!).

Actually my 9 year old's teacher uses the same technique in the regular 4th

grade class.

- Becky

March 22, 2003

Hey KAthy- Maybe you can give all the kids in the class an ice cream

cone 1 friday. Then you can hand the teacher an ice cream cone, but tell

her she didn't earn the ice cream hehehehehehehehhe

G

--

Leis.... Aussie mum to 5 ,Natasha 1 and Jellybean due Oct 03

An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an

adventure wrongly considered.

G. K. Chesterton (1874 - 1936)

March 22, 2003

Seems like it's time for this teacher to GO..... I would seriously consider

telling the IEP team that if this teacher isn't removed from your daughter's

program or that another more suitable teacher be found, then you are going to

sue them. It's possible. I read an article where these parents successfully

sued the teacher and three others for violations. They each had to pay, which,

in turn, made them all just as accountable for ONE teacher's actions. Big

lesson to learn there and if everyone's aware of this particular individual's

willingness to violate an IEP, and do nothing about it, then they all should be

held accountable.

JMHO

Judi - Proud mother to Jordan 7, ds and Savannah 4 Months, nda

Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough

sense to be lazy.

March 22, 2003

That is really cruel. Sara knew she was missing out, she didn't need to watch

the party to know that. I just don't understand some people.

Mom to (8, DS) and Grace (5)

March 22, 2003

In a message dated 3/21/2003 8:02:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, RSYOSH@...

writes:

<<

> On Monday she earned the rollers, Tuesday hairbrush, Wednesday

> scrunchies, Thursday hair barrettes and today the party. Well, because of

>

Ok - I'm missing the point of this. If the child messes up on the first day

of the week (Monday) then there is no way they can " earn " the party, right?

So what is the incentive to behave the rest of the week?

- B

>>

What the teacher is reinforcing is why behave at all Monday-Thursday if a bad

day on Friday will take away the reward anyway. To make her watch it and not

participate seems sadistic to me.

Kathy, Liam's mom(almost 5)

March 22, 2003

In a message dated 3/22/2003 6:58:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lisa@... writes:

<< Hey KAthy- Maybe you can give all the kids in the class an ice cream

cone 1 friday. Then you can hand the teacher an ice cream cone, but tell

her she didn't earn the ice cream hehehehehehehehhe

>>

How about withholding her paycheck. She did ok teaching the children from

Mon-Thursday, but since she made a big mistake on Friday, maybe she shouldn't

get paid for the week. Maybe she'll LEARN from her mistake.

Kathy, Liam's mom(almost 5)

March 22, 2003

Oh, Kathy! These parties seemed like such a great plan until yesterday! I

was even telling teachers at my school about them.

Bev

Rewards for the party are given daily, see if Sara messed up on Tuesday then

she would not have received a hairbrush, I asked what was today's reward

towards the party and she told me it was the " services " meaning the beauty

parlor treatment ....... the stylist uggggggg so she sat holding her bag or

rewards/beauty products ....... she couldn't have the services and

participate

Kathy mom to Sara 11 ............. I keep thinking what if she messed up on

Ice Cream Sundae week, would they have sent her daily rewards home in a

brown

bag on Friday ... one was 2 scoops of ice cream lolol

March 22, 2003

>

> > HI

> >

> > I am hoping this will be a bit of therapy for me, typing this up lol

> > s

> Today we have ANOTHER violation in Sara's BIP. On Fridays I think Ive

told

>

> Kathy,

> This sounds so familiar. I've been dealing with this for the past 2 1/2

> years with 's spec ed support teacher.

> I finally filed a complaint with the state about it, but haven't gotten

the

> results yet. I've been requesting for 1 1/2 years that have a

> different support teacher, & was told over & over that it couldn't be

done.

> Then a couple of weeks ago she grabbed & yelled at her(I was

holding

> her hand & we were leaving the building at the time). She then proceeded

to

> tell me, very loudly, in front of other people how horribly had

> behaved. I wanted to do more than slam a door!

> They finally agreed to make the change. Funny how easy it was to do all of

a

> sudden.

> Maybe they were afraid of a law suit. Sooo, now I'm reading in the

> communication notebook that the new support teacher is giving her time

outs

> (not in the bip). Can't win.

> Next week I'm finally getting a real behaviorst involved. Maybe between

him

> & the State Regional Associate something will finally happen. The

teacher's

> all hate me now, but I just don't care anymore.

> Give it to them good.

> Donna

>

March 22, 2003

In a message dated 3/22/2003 10:57:28 AM Central Standard Time,

RSYOSH@... writes:

> Here's a variation that my daughter's resource teacher uses...

> The kids are rewarded poker chips during resource class for good behavior &

> work. They get CONSTANT reinforcements. For example, has memorized

> quite a few early readers. For each one she reads she gets a poker chip.

> She

> probably 10 or more each day. Each child has a cananister to collect the

> poker chips in. Every Friday they have " game day " and get to " spend " their

> earned poker chips in the " store " and to play various activities. They

> more

> chips you have, the more you can " buy. " Notice that nobody gets left out

> (!).

>

> Actually my 9 year old's teacher uses the same technique in the regular 4th

> grade class.

>

> - Becky

Hi

I love this idea, you get what you earn ......... we had something similar (a

market) going on before this Friday themed party started but they ended that

after Christmas and came up with this plan.

Kathy mom to Sara 11

March 22, 2003

In a message dated 3/22/2003 1:55:35 PM Central Standard Time,

drf218@... writes:

> I think the point is, Sara was made to WATCH while the others participated,

> right Kathy? not that she didn't earn the party or am I misunderstanding?

>

> Di

Hi

I was first very upset that she was made to watch especially since this is

what I thought was a dead horse meaning we covered this in 1999. Now I am

ranting about the sped teachers attitude that she did nothing wrong and that

this plan is a good plan. Her attitude has me now wondering what other crazy

things are going on, with her poor judgment and all.

I know I am still so angry lol because hubby keeps whispering very softly

" I see stupid people, make them go away, they walk around like they are smart

but they are really stupid and don't even know it "

OK has anyone seen the movie Sixth Sense??? if you have you will know where

this is coming from lololol

Kathy mom to Sara 11

March 22, 2003

I also agree with this " lesson " for the teacher!

Di

You should hold a teacher appreciation lunch at the school and " fail " to

include this teacher, but do it in full view of her....see how she likes it.

this is good lol i forgot to say that with ted...they never take anything

away! one would just fail to earn something extra geesh

gail

March 22, 2003

I think the point is, Sara was made to WATCH while the others participated,

right Kathy? not that she didn't earn the party or am I misunderstanding?