Initiative

[Guest guest]

Dr. Mike Megehee,

I have quite a number of friends who are not on this list-serve. Maybe we

should strategize to get them involved.

I only have time to work on one or two at a time.

Can you keep track of people we each agree to contact?

First, I will be contacting:

Drs. Randy & Elise Hewitt and associate Dr. Lindekugel (Downtown PDX)

Drs. Domby and Steve Sheer (Scappoose)

Dr. Noel , Farrin, Lori Horan (all N.D.'s) (here in Lake

Oswego)

More to come,

Abrahamson, D.C.

[Guest guest]

isn't that petition strongly supported by Liberty NW..........backers of Prop 90....???

J. Pedersen DC

[Guest guest]

Dan;

Is this to then make SAIF completely "State owned?"

Interesting side note apparently SAIF officials were caught red handed shredding documents by either a state or federal official investigating them, and told to immediately stop all such activity or the lot of them were going to jail!

SAIF's credibility is currently in the toilet and considering the mis-information perpetuated against our profession by SAIF officials they seem ripe for a class action suit by us!

Vern Saboe, DC

Initiative

Doc's:

There is a petition to abolish SAIF

Maybe we should get involved.

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[Guest guest]

Be aware of the fact that the petition to abolish SAIF is being promoted and paid for by Liberty Northwest, and they don't care for chiropractors much either. This is a market share grab, plain and simple, but it has already brought down the president of SAIF, Larry , and Neil "It was a love affair" Goldschmidt. There's more to come and we all have front row tickets.

D Freeman Mailing address: 1165 Union Street NE, Suite 300Salem, Oregon 97301ph 503 586-0127 fax 503 763-3581cell 503 871-0715 drmfreeman@...

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Dan;

Is this to then make SAIF completely "State owned?"

Interesting side note apparently SAIF officials were caught red handed shredding documents by either a state or federal official investigating them, and told to immediately stop all such activity or the lot of them were going to jail!

SAIF's credibility is currently in the toilet and considering the mis-information perpetuated against our profession by SAIF officials they seem ripe for a class action suit by us!

Vern Saboe, DC

Initiative

Doc's:

There is a petition to abolish SAIF

Maybe we should get involved.

Dr BOregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

:

Are you saying that Larry is no longer a SAIF lobbyist?

VErn

Initiative

Doc's:

There is a petition to abolish SAIF

Maybe we should get involved.

Dr BOregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure about that, but he is one of the lobbyists that SAIF underreported their payments to.

D Freeman Mailing address: 1165 Union Street NE, Suite 300Salem, Oregon 97301ph 503 586-0127 fax 503 763-3581cell 503 871-0715 drmfreeman@...

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:

Are you saying that Larry is no longer a SAIF lobbyist?

VErn

Initiative

Doc's:

There is a petition to abolish SAIF

Maybe we should get involved.

Dr BOregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

Vern,

I couldn't agree more! Let's remember...SAIF (and all those who pushed 1197 through) LIED to the Legislature. It would be very easy now, in retrospect, to go back and prove that SAIF wasn't losing a "million dollars a day," that most (if not all) of the charges against Chiropractors were bogus, and that SAIF and certain "other" persons (who rammed this through) PROFITED as a direct result of limiting patient access to Chiropractic.

The key thing about 1197 is that only "CHIROPRACTIC" was limited. Spinal adjustments, massage, therapy, exercise, rehabilitation (all the services chiropractors were providing) were not restricted. Patients could go to "other providers" for these services with NO LIMITATION!

So, SAIF saved "some sum of money" at the expense of CHIROPRACTIC. That is the very definition of racketeering! They profited through "fraud" (i.e., providing false financial information to the legislature). That is illegal for ANYONE (state, federal..it doesn't matter).

There's also a question of restriction of trade, and the possible creation of a monopoly situation (i.e., only "medical" personel could provide certain services beyond 30 days). If THEY can provide "spinal manipulation" beyond 30 days, why can't we?

We should contact every Chiropractor in the State (and those who left the state) and fund a class action law suite against SAIF and the State of Oregon (I know Vern's cringing on this one...). But, it was Oregon's governor, attorney general, and legislature that passed this law. They are the ones who should have acted responsibly and legally to protect the citizens of Oregon. They didn't. They were negligent, and therefore culpable. I say name them in the law suit as well

[Guest guest]

would you be willing to spearhead a informational retrieval group of colleagues to research if we indeed have a case and if so who really should be named in that suit?

One caveat , about two years ago I called an attorney in Texas who specializes in this sort of thing. Apparently as I recall the statute of limitations would have run out on going after the state...not sure if this would apply to SAIF...just a F.Y.I.

So are you game to start researching this??

Vern Saboe, DC

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Vern,

I couldn't agree more! Let's remember...SAIF (and all those who pushed 1197 through) LIED to the Legislature. It would be very easy now, in retrospect, to go back and prove that SAIF wasn't losing a "million dollars a day," that most (if not all) of the charges against Chiropractors were bogus, and that SAIF and certain "other" persons (who rammed this through) PROFITED as a direct result of limiting patient access to Chiropractic.

The key thing about 1197 is that only "CHIROPRACTIC" was limited. Spinal adjustments, massage, therapy, exercise, rehabilitation (all the services chiropractors were providing) were not restricted. Patients could go to "other providers" for these services with NO LIMITATION!

So, SAIF saved "some sum of money" at the expense of CHIROPRACTIC. That is the very definition of racketeering! They profited through "fraud" (i.e., providing false financial information to the legislature). That is illegal for ANYONE (state, federal..it doesn't matter).

There's also a question of restriction of trade, and the possible creation of a monopoly situation (i.e., only "medical" personel could provide certain services beyond 30 days). If THEY can provide "spinal manipulation" beyond 30 days, why can't we?

We should contact every Chiropractor in the State (and those who left the state) and fund a class action law suite against SAIF and the State of Oregon (I know Vern's cringing on this one...). But, it was Oregon's governor, attorney general, and legislature that passed this law. They are the ones who should have acted responsibly and legally to protect the citizens of Oregon. They didn't. They were negligent, and therefore culpable. I say name them in the law suit as well

[Guest guest]

Doesn't the statute go on if there is ongoing criminal behavior?

Think about it.

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

Please note " New address " 315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

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From: " Vern Saboe DC " <vas@...>

Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:10:25 -0700

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Subject: Re: Initiative

would you be willing to spearhead a informational retrieval group of colleagues to research if we indeed have a case and if so who really should be named in that suit?

One caveat , about two years ago I called an attorney in Texas who specializes in this sort of thing. Apparently as I recall the statute of limitations would have run out on going after the state...not sure if this would apply to SAIF...just a F.Y.I.

So are you game to start researching this??

Vern Saboe, DC

Initiative

Doc's:

There is a petition to abolish SAIF

Maybe we should get involved.

Dr B

OregonDCs rules:

1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.

2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.

3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

OregonDCs rules:

1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.

2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.

3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

OregonDCs rules:

1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.

2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.

3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

OregonDCs rules:

1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.

2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.

3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

SA, It is the remedy that you would be seeking. Look to the future.

sharron fuchs dc

Re: Initiative

would you be willing to spearhead a informational retrieval group of colleagues to research if we indeed have a case and if so who really should be named in that suit?One caveat , about two years ago I called an attorney in Texas who specializes in this sort of thing. Apparently as I recall the statute of limitations would have run out on going after the state...not sure if this would apply to SAIF...just a F.Y.I.So are you game to start researching this??Vern Saboe, DC

InitiativeDoc's:There is a petition to abolish SAIFMaybe we should get involved.Dr BOregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.