Re: psychiatric diagnosis UBL

[Guest guest]

Sharon;

Last night CNN had a female correspondent go around Pakistan and talk to

people, mostly young people about 9/11 and their reaction to it. She didn't

bait them, or provoke them to bring out their worst anti-American feelings.

She asked young women in college classes what they thought about UBL.

Uniformly they discussed how they loved him and supported his work. These

were relatively modern women in a university setting. She interviewed young

boys aged about 10 to14 from an elite private school. These are the future

leaders of Pakistan. They too, all supported the attach on the US. One of

the boys wanted to grow up to be like UBL, (so stated one of the university

women). The other suggested that it would have been better if UBL's guys

had killed more Americans.

Personally, I would rather that the terrorists were nuts. They aren't.

They are Klingons. They have a cultural heritage that is diametrically

opposed to everything we hold dear. Not all muslims support terror; but

many, many find the values we consider central to our culture anathema to

Islam. That is a far more pessimistic prospect for the future. This

struggle has been going on for a millenium and a half. Don't expect things

to get worked out any time soon. Until some interfaith understanding based

on respect is found, I'll settle for effective military action.

Les

psychiatric diagnosis UBL

> DC's,

>

> The post awhile back by Dr. Feinberg about terrorists and their willing

acts

> has stuck in my mind. In fact, I think about it every time I see Bin

Laden's

> face. I have heard UBL described as essentially sane, which I interpret to

> me no psychiatric diagnosis, to being a sociopath which is definitely a

> psychiatric diagnosis.

>

> I don't know how to figure this out because every time I see him I think

> there must be a psychiatric illness , by his facial expressions or lack

> thereof, movements of his eyes etc. The recently released tape could be

> interpreted in several ways, depending on which side you are on, but of

> course it seems 'sick' to me that someone would take joy in mass death.

>

> Can anyone put their finger on it ? Is there something psychiatrically

> wrong with this guy or does he just have a different perspective on the

> world ? Perhaps a chronic pain sufferer ?

>

> I know it doesn't matter in the big picture because he is a murderer, but

> there is something spooky about the guy that from a doctor's eyes I just

> can't figure out.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> vty, sharron fuchs dc

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you ever heard the expression,

" Stupid is as stupid does. "

Well, maybe we can sum it up with,

" Evil is as evil does. "

--

Dr. Abrahamson

> From: Sharron Fuchs <SharronF@...>

> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:36:57 -0800

> " Oregon DCs (E-mail) " < >

> Subject: psychiatric diagnosis UBL

>

> DC's,

>

> The post awhile back by Dr. Feinberg about terrorists and their willing acts

> has stuck in my mind. In fact, I think about it every time I see Bin Laden's

> face. I have heard UBL described as essentially sane, which I interpret to

> me no psychiatric diagnosis, to being a sociopath which is definitely a

> psychiatric diagnosis.

>

> I don't know how to figure this out because every time I see him I think

> there must be a psychiatric illness , by his facial expressions or lack

> thereof, movements of his eyes etc. The recently released tape could be

> interpreted in several ways, depending on which side you are on, but of

> course it seems 'sick' to me that someone would take joy in mass death.

>

> Can anyone put their finger on it ? Is there something psychiatrically

> wrong with this guy or does he just have a different perspective on the

> world ? Perhaps a chronic pain sufferer ?

>

> I know it doesn't matter in the big picture because he is a murderer, but

> there is something spooky about the guy that from a doctor's eyes I just

> can't figure out.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> vty, sharron fuchs dc

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

I can only give you a very unstudied opinion resulting from having taken

psychiatry in med school, but I would think that a psychiatric analysis

would have to include a couple of personality disorders. In particular, a

Narcissistic and perhaps an antisocial personality disorder. Or we can just

all agree that he is " nucking futs " and soon to be known as " Osama Bin

Goner. "

D Freeman PhD DC MPH

Forensic Trauma Epidemiologist

Department of Public Health and Preventive Medicine

Oregon Health Sciences University School of Medicine

Mailing address: 2480 Liberty Street NE Suite 180

Salem, Oregon 97303

phone 503 763-3528

fax 503 763-3530

pager 888 501-7328

psychiatric diagnosis UBL

> DC's,

>

> The post awhile back by Dr. Feinberg about terrorists and their willing

acts

> has stuck in my mind. In fact, I think about it every time I see Bin

Laden's

> face. I have heard UBL described as essentially sane, which I interpret to

> me no psychiatric diagnosis, to being a sociopath which is definitely a

> psychiatric diagnosis.

>

> I don't know how to figure this out because every time I see him I think

> there must be a psychiatric illness , by his facial expressions or lack

> thereof, movements of his eyes etc. The recently released tape could be

> interpreted in several ways, depending on which side you are on, but of

> course it seems 'sick' to me that someone would take joy in mass death.

>

> Can anyone put their finger on it ? Is there something psychiatrically

> wrong with this guy or does he just have a different perspective on the

> world ? Perhaps a chronic pain sufferer ?

>

> I know it doesn't matter in the big picture because he is a murderer, but

> there is something spooky about the guy that from a doctor's eyes I just

> can't figure out.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> vty, sharron fuchs dc

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Check out, sociopath and/or psychopath. I believe in all sincerety these

labels are clinically relevant and, unfortunately, the world is has plenty

of them. Steve Lumsden

psychiatric diagnosis UBL

> DC's,

>

> The post awhile back by Dr. Feinberg about terrorists and their willing

acts

> has stuck in my mind. In fact, I think about it every time I see Bin

Laden's

> face. I have heard UBL described as essentially sane, which I interpret to

> me no psychiatric diagnosis, to being a sociopath which is definitely a

> psychiatric diagnosis.

>

> I don't know how to figure this out because every time I see him I think

> there must be a psychiatric illness , by his facial expressions or lack

> thereof, movements of his eyes etc. The recently released tape could be

> interpreted in several ways, depending on which side you are on, but of

> course it seems 'sick' to me that someone would take joy in mass death.

>

> Can anyone put their finger on it ? Is there something psychiatrically

> wrong with this guy or does he just have a different perspective on the

> world ? Perhaps a chronic pain sufferer ?

>

> I know it doesn't matter in the big picture because he is a murderer, but

> there is something spooky about the guy that from a doctor's eyes I just

> can't figure out.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> vty, sharron fuchs dc

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, thanks for all the commentary on ubl and a psychiatric diagnosis. it

seems that the consensus pulls for both a psychiatric diagnosis and a

different view of the world. i guess the old saying, 'just because you're

paranoid doesn't mean there aren't people out there trying to get you ' has

some validity in that you can be mentally ill but yet still functional

enough to have a view of the world that could be based in some form of

reality. the fact that there are many who apparently align themselves with

his acts and thoughts is what i find truly disconcerting.(ie in pakistan per

dr. feinberg).

vty, sharron fuchs dc

Re: psychiatric diagnosis UBL

Hi Sharon,

I can only give you a very unstudied opinion resulting from having taken

psychiatry in med school, but I would think that a psychiatric analysis

would have to include a couple of personality disorders. In particular, a

Narcissistic and perhaps an antisocial personality disorder. Or we can just

all agree that he is " nucking futs " and soon to be known as " Osama Bin

Goner. "

D Freeman PhD DC MPH

Forensic Trauma Epidemiologist

Department of Public Health and Preventive Medicine

Oregon Health Sciences University School of Medicine

Mailing address: 2480 Liberty Street NE Suite 180

Salem, Oregon 97303

phone 503 763-3528

fax 503 763-3530

pager 888 501-7328

psychiatric diagnosis UBL

> DC's,

>

> The post awhile back by Dr. Feinberg about terrorists and their willing

acts

> has stuck in my mind. In fact, I think about it every time I see Bin

Laden's

> face. I have heard UBL described as essentially sane, which I interpret to

> me no psychiatric diagnosis, to being a sociopath which is definitely a

> psychiatric diagnosis.

>

> I don't know how to figure this out because every time I see him I think

> there must be a psychiatric illness , by his facial expressions or lack

> thereof, movements of his eyes etc. The recently released tape could be

> interpreted in several ways, depending on which side you are on, but of

> course it seems 'sick' to me that someone would take joy in mass death.

>

> Can anyone put their finger on it ? Is there something psychiatrically

> wrong with this guy or does he just have a different perspective on the

> world ? Perhaps a chronic pain sufferer ?

>

> I know it doesn't matter in the big picture because he is a murderer, but

> there is something spooky about the guy that from a doctor's eyes I just

> can't figure out.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> vty, sharron fuchs dc

>

>

>

>

>