Re: spinal screenings

[Guest guest]

Thanks ...I appreciate your angle.

I guess it has been my misforture to witness and subsequently treat patients

who were served a large plate of hype and overstatement about shorten life

spans due to leg length inequality. I can't be THAT good to correct

something in 3 visits that the guy at the carnival had them sign a contract

for 3 times a week for the next 6 months.

I think it a tad unfair to suggest that those of us who trust that in-office

efforts and individual education, producing referrals in a nearly 100%

positive fashion are lacking gump and wherewithall since they won't set up a

booth at the mall..certainly getting the word out is a good thing, and to

that I have no argument.

[Guest guest]

Colleagues:

My 2 bits worth:

I have seen some displays that were embarrassing, and some that were enviable. I have finally been able to parse my own conflict down to this point: _I_ do not fit into what _my_ image of such a public representation "should" be.

To those who manage to carry it off well, congratulations.

But for a similar reason I have to date refrained from wearing my thong to the beach, I continue to refrain from this type of encounter.

Now, who's got a handy dandy tool to take them bone density measurements in the office..........

from near the front lines,

Jack Pedersen, DC

Sweet Home, Oregon

Re: state fair

This sounds like a good topic for discussion....do these public "screening" presentations of chiros drumming up business at carnivals and garden shows give us an image we can be proud of?

[Guest guest]

,

As a follow-up to your comments, I would like to ask if you have an x-ray unit in your clinic to do leg length assessments?

And your last name? I didn't catch your last name.

One other thing... do you also think that the local hospital that's at the State Fair or the retired WWII nurses at the Red Cross booth or the aesthetic surgeon who is at the "carnival," do you have a similiar sentiment towards these health care professionals?

Is it more noble to have your name in four or five managed care provider booklets? Would that be an exceptable way to engage the public from your perspective?

Thank you in advance for your reply.

Shephard

www.shephardfox.com

PS: I did take offense to your reference to chiropractors who do spinal screenings in public, regardless of the venue, as "the guy at the carnival."

Clearly you have not participated in this type of public service and have no idea of the benefits, both clinically and to the profession as a whole. Over the last 15 years I have referred hundreds of patients into other chirorpractic clinics statewide, stemming from screenings. Any docs who've gotten referrals please feel free to chime-in here.

Re: spinal screenings

Thanks ...I appreciate your angle.I guess it has been my misforture to witness and subsequently treat patients who were served a large plate of hype and overstatement about shorten life spans due to leg length inequality. I can't be THAT good to correct something in 3 visits that the guy at the carnival had them sign a contract for 3 times a week for the next 6 months.I think it a tad unfair to suggest that those of us who trust that in-office efforts and individual education, producing referrals in a nearly 100% positive fashion are lacking gump and wherewithall since they won't set up a booth at the mall..certainly getting the word out is a good thing, and to that I have no argument.

[Guest guest]

Now if we can just get Jack to stop wearing his thong at the state convention!

D Freeman Mailing address: 2480 Liberty Street NE Suite 180Salem, Oregon 97303phone 503 763-3528fax 503 763-3530pager 888 501-7328

Re: state fair

This sounds like a good topic for discussion....do these public "screening" presentations of chiros drumming up business at carnivals and garden shows give us an image we can be proud of?

[Guest guest]

I have never done spinal screenings. I guess because I always like to be creative and try to do something others aren't. One I have found to be effective, but don't recommend necessarily for others, is Doppler screenings.

I do a pre-stroke assessment that includes a brief history they fill out and then obtaining velocity readings and a bi-directional flow wave form of their common and internal carotid arteries. I mail to them the results a few days later with some information. I have obtained several really good patients off of this over the years. It also gives me a mailing list from which to cultivate prospective clients by providing them with seasonal informative newsletters I generate. It also allows me to help reduce the public fears of chiropractic and stroke. One of my goals is to show the public that we are not ignorant bafoons who are good at two things ; "curing" low back pain and causing strokes.

I have never had anyone respond negatively. I charge $30 for the screening and can see about 10 people in 2 hours over a lunch break. I did them every month for 2 years and then stopped for about a year. I just began doing them again last month. I do them at health food stores and athletic clubs.

BTW, I took a 4 month vascular Doppler ultrasound course through The Burwin Institute.

Doing screenings is hard work. Its hard to get psyched to go out an set up your table, and meet the public over a lunch hour. This is my primary hurdle. But I feel it is rewarding in terms of new patients and the possibility of educating the public about the breadth and scope of our profession.

Anglen Arizona DC

[Guest guest]

Hello! My 2 cents: I've done screening a few times, I've never been comfortable doing them, but the opportunity to communicate with people in an open environment is both challenging and potentially rewarding. My problem is with people who identify postural faults and leg length inequality and use these as scare tactics. Then back at the office they don't offer any care which addresses the leg length or posture problem! I am currently in Maine vacationing with more in-laws and their relations than I could ever count. The first words out of one of these folks after the "hello" was "I saw a chiropractor at the fair who was using some contraption to evaluate posture... and I fell for the $200 worth of care for $30 bit... When I went to the office she took x-rays but had me lean into the wall (thus increasing lateral curve!) and then told me how bad off I was. She then proceeded to tell me to throw away any and all medication...." After I while I had to tune out, after all I'm on vacation! But if this is not an example of screwing up the chiro image I don't know what is! But maybe it's only this bad on the east coast! Seitz Re: spinal screenings I have never done spinal screenings. I guess because I always like to be creative and try to do something others aren't. One I have found to be effective, but don't recommend necessarily for others, is Doppler screenings. I do a pre-stroke assessment that includes a brief history they fill out and then obtaining velocity readings and a bi-directional flow wave form of their common and internal carotid arteries. I mail to them the results a few days later with some information. I have obtained several really good patients off of this over the years. It also gives me a mailing list from which to cultivate prospective clients by providing them with seasonal informative newsletters I generate. It also allows me to help reduce the public fears of chiropractic and stroke. One of my goals is to show the public that we are not ignorant bafoons who are good at two things ; "curing" low back pain and causing strokes. I have never had anyone respond negatively. I charge $30 for the screening and can see about 10 people in 2 hours over a lunch break. I did them every month for 2 years and then stopped for about a year. I just began doing them again last month. I do them at health food stores and athletic clubs. BTW, I took a 4 month vascular Doppler ultrasound course through The Burwin Institute. Doing screenings is hard work. Its hard to get psyched to go out an set up your table, and meet the public over a lunch hour. This is my primary hurdle. But I feel it is rewarding in terms of new patients and the possibility of educating the public about the breadth and scope of our profession. Anglen Arizona DC

[Guest guest]

Jack;

" I have to date refrained from wearing my thong to the

beach "

And for this you deserve the undying gratitude of you colleagues,

friends, and neighbors.

Les

At 04:07 PM 8/1/01 -0700, J Pedersen DC wrote:

Colleagues:

My 2 bits worth:

I have seen some displays that were

embarrassing, and some that were enviable. I have finally been able

to parse my own conflict down to this point: _I_ do not fit into

what _my_ image of such a public representation " should "

be.

To those who manage to carry it off

well, congratulations.

But for a similar reason I have to date

refrained from wearing my thong to the beach, I continue to refrain from

this type of encounter.

Now, who's got a handy dandy tool to

take them bone density measurements in the office..........

from near the front lines,

Jack Pedersen, DC

Sweet Home, Oregon

Re: state fair

This sounds like a good topic for discussion....do these public " screening " presentations of chiros drumming up business at carnivals and garden shows give us an image we can be proud of?

[Guest guest]

RE: Re: spinal screenings

hi dr. fox,

thanks for the comments. a little heat every now and then is fine. it's just that for me i can't discern who is the enemy when it feels like the bite is intended to wound. thinned skinned ? perhaps but nobody has ever called me tame before.

i wish that you would contribute. i need your insight.

take care,

sharron fuchs dc

-----Original Message-----From: Dr. Don Fox, DC [mailto:spiney@...]Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:43 PM'Dr. Shephard, D.C.'; 'Dr. D. Freeman'; Sharron FuchsCc: Subject: Re: Re: spinal screenings

Sharron I have choose not to contribute on the elist because it is so controlled. I don't feel like I can express myself with out somebody complaining that I am to aggressive, blunt, rude, etc. What's up with all the tame demeanor. What's wrong with a little heat now and then.

Don Fox

Re: spinal screenings

Thanks ...I appreciate your angle.I guess it has been my misforture to witness and subsequently treat patients who were served a large plate of hype and overstatement about shorten life spans due to leg length inequality. I can't be THAT good to correct something in 3 visits that the guy at the carnival had them sign a contract for 3 times a week for the next 6 months.I think it a tad unfair to suggest that those of us who trust that in-office efforts and individual education, producing referrals in a nearly 100% positive fashion are lacking gump and wherewithall since they won't set up a booth at the mall..certainly getting the word out is a good thing, and to that I have no argument.

[Guest guest]

on 8/2/01 6:08 AM, ang320@... at ang320@... wrote:

> I have never done spinal screenings. I guess because I always like to be

> creative and try to do something others aren't. One I have found to be

> effective, but don't recommend necessarily for others, is Doppler screenings.

>

I'm planning to combine the best of all worlds:

I'm hoping to do a Doppler-psychic-spinal screen.

The theory is to test the effects of thoughts and ideas coming toward you as

they affect your posture.

For instance, telemarketing calls are a pain in the neck and Allstate ads

are a pain in the ...

Dr. Abrahamson

[Guest guest]

This post made me think about the option of " peer counselling " or " peer coaching " . I avoid the use of the word " policing " .

As potentially distasteful and troublesome as it may be, what about the idea of a group of peers who make *suggestions* to practitioners who are using questionable approaches. I know, I know...a real can of worms. And I wouldn't want someone telling me I shouldn't be saying this, or doing that.....

Comments?

Terry Petty, D.C.

Ashland

Fw: spinal screenings

Re: spinal screenings

Hello!

My 2 cents: I've done screening a few times, I've never been comfortable doing them, but the opportunity to communicate with people in an open environment is both challenging and potentially rewarding. My problem is with people who identify postural faults and leg length inequality and use these as scare tactics. Then back at the office they don't offer any care which addresses the leg length or posture problem! I am currently in Maine vacationing with more in-laws and their relations than I could ever count. The first words out of one of these folks after the " hello " was " I saw a chiropractor at the fair who was using some contraption to evaluate posture... and I fell for the $200 worth of care for $30 bit... When I went to the office she took x-rays but had me lean into the wall (thus increasing lateral curve!) and then told me how bad off I was. She then proceeded to tell me to throw away any and all medication.... "

After I while I had to tune out, after all I'm on vacation! But if this is not an example of screwing up the chiro image I don't know what is! But maybe it's only this bad on the east coast!

Seitz

[Guest guest]

How about Peer Beatings?

We could go as a hockey team and beat up on doctors who are doing

distasteful things.

But when we run out of them, we'll hae to come and get...

--

Dr. Abrahamson

on 8/4/01 8:09 AM, jhp at jhp@... wrote:

> This post made me think about the option of " peer counselling " or " peer

> coaching " . I avoid the use of the word " policing " .

>

> As potentially distasteful and troublesome as it may be, what about the idea

> of a group of peers who make *suggestions* to practitioners who are using

> questionable approaches. I know, I know...a real can of worms. And I wouldn't

> want someone telling me I shouldn't be saying this, or doing that.....

>

> Comments?

>

> Terry Petty, D.C.

> Ashland

> Fw: spinal screenings

>

>

>

>

> Re: spinal screenings

>

> Hello!

>

> My 2 cents: I've done screening a few times, I've never been comfortable

> doing them, but the opportunity to communicate with people in an open

> environment is both challenging and potentially rewarding. My problem is with

> people who identify postural faults and leg length inequality and use these as

> scare tactics. Then back at the office they don't offer any care which

> addresses the leg length or posture problem! I am currently in Maine

> vacationing with more in-laws and their relations than I could ever count.

> The first words out of one of these folks after the " hello " was " I saw a

> chiropractor at the fair who was using some contraption to evaluate posture...

> and I fell for the $200 worth of care for $30 bit... When I went to the office

> she took x-rays but had me lean into the wall (thus increasing lateral curve!)

> and then told me how bad off I was. She then proceeded to tell me to throw

> away any and all medication.... "

>

> After I while I had to tune out, after all I'm on vacation! But if this is

> not an example of screwing up the chiro image I don't know what is! But maybe

> it's only this bad on the east coast!

>

> Seitz

>

>

[Guest guest]

" But when we run out of them, we'll hae to come and get... "

I didn't realize that having the first name of caused one to write

with a ish accent. I hae te remember it in the future, else gang aft

agley and all.

D Freeman

Mailing address: 2480 Liberty Street NE Suite 180

Salem, Oregon 97303

phone 503 763-3528

fax 503 763-3530

pager 888 501-7328

Re: spinal screenings

> >

> > Hello!

> >

> > My 2 cents: I've done screening a few times, I've never been

comfortable

> > doing them, but the opportunity to communicate with people in an open

> > environment is both challenging and potentially rewarding. My problem

is with

> > people who identify postural faults and leg length inequality and use

these as

> > scare tactics. Then back at the office they don't offer any care which

> > addresses the leg length or posture problem! I am currently in Maine

> > vacationing with more in-laws and their relations than I could ever

count.

> > The first words out of one of these folks after the " hello " was " I saw a

> > chiropractor at the fair who was using some contraption to evaluate

posture...

> > and I fell for the $200 worth of care for $30 bit... When I went to the

office

> > she took x-rays but had me lean into the wall (thus increasing lateral

curve!)

> > and then told me how bad off I was. She then proceeded to tell me to

throw

> > away any and all medication.... "

> >

> > After I while I had to tune out, after all I'm on vacation! But if this

is

> > not an example of screwing up the chiro image I don't know what is! But

maybe

> > it's only this bad on the east coast!

> >

> > Seitz

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My three cents: Since we don't have a multi-billion dollar national PR

campaign that educate the

population on the benefits of chiropractic. Spinal screens are one of the

avenues that we have to

get out of our office and educate. It would be benefit for the one's that

have not done a lot of

screens to know what the state boards guideline are for screens so that they

don't get into

problems. If the board could clarify their view point. It would be of great

help to the list.

Carl Bonofiglio

Re: spinal screenings

" But when we run out of them, we'll hae to come and get... "

I didn't realize that having the first name of caused one to write

with a ish accent. I hae te remember it in the future, else gang aft

agley and all.

D Freeman

Mailing address: 2480 Liberty Street NE Suite 180

Salem, Oregon 97303

phone 503 763-3528

fax 503 763-3530

pager 888 501-7328

Re: spinal screenings

> >

> > Hello!

> >

> > My 2 cents: I've done screening a few times, I've never been

comfortable

> > doing them, but the opportunity to communicate with people in an open

> > environment is both challenging and potentially rewarding. My problem

is with

> > people who identify postural faults and leg length inequality and use

these as

> > scare tactics. Then back at the office they don't offer any care which

> > addresses the leg length or posture problem! I am currently in Maine

> > vacationing with more in-laws and their relations than I could ever

count.

> > The first words out of one of these folks after the " hello " was " I saw a

> > chiropractor at the fair who was using some contraption to evaluate

posture...

> > and I fell for the $200 worth of care for $30 bit... When I went to the

office

> > she took x-rays but had me lean into the wall (thus increasing lateral

curve!)

> > and then told me how bad off I was. She then proceeded to tell me to

throw

> > away any and all medication.... "

> >

> > After I while I had to tune out, after all I'm on vacation! But if this

is

> > not an example of screwing up the chiro image I don't know what is! But

maybe

> > it's only this bad on the east coast!

> >

> > Seitz

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>