Re: a line across the hands

[Guest guest]

hi everyone!!

my joey doesnt have the line either.....

pretty soon i am going to be back in full swing for all you old timers that

remember the " old " me....so watch out all!!!!!!!!!

Dana proud mom to 3 boys, Adam 14, Andy might make it to 13, and MY JOEY 7

1/2 DS, and every bit as mean and rotten as the rest of them

[Guest guest]

My oldest son who is 10 does have a line across but Noah who is 2

does not. I think it is like anything else some kids do, some don't!

Mom to (DS) and Noah (DS)

[Guest guest]

My oldest son who is 10 does have a line across but Noah who is 2

does not. I think it is like anything else some kids do, some don't!

Mom to (DS) and Noah (DS)

[Guest guest]

No line here for , age 11 with DS - print this out and show it to

whomever you need to show it to.

~ Mom to 11 DS and Diabetes Type 1 and 8 NY

[Guest guest]

No line here for , age 11 with DS - print this out and show it to

whomever you need to show it to.

~ Mom to 11 DS and Diabetes Type 1 and 8 NY

[Guest guest]

My Ry guy has a crease across his right hand.........my husband and I

don't......but 's pediatriacian has one identical to Ry's!!!!!! LOL!

Jackie, Mom to 14ds, 11, and Bradley 8

[Guest guest]

My Ry guy has a crease across his right hand.........my husband and I

don't......but 's pediatriacian has one identical to Ry's!!!!!! LOL!

Jackie, Mom to 14ds, 11, and Bradley 8

[Guest guest]

My son, Evan, does not have the single crease in either of his hands. His

palms look " normal. " However, his pinky fingers do have the slight curve.

Terry

Mom to Evan, 6, DS

[Guest guest]

My son, Evan, does not have the single crease in either of his hands. His

palms look " normal. " However, his pinky fingers do have the slight curve.

Terry

Mom to Evan, 6, DS

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/14/02 9:18:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

DownsIsUp@... writes:

> My son, Evan, does not have the single crease in either of his hands. His

> palms look " normal. " However, his pinky fingers do have the slight curve.

>

> Terry

> Mom to Evan, 6, DS

>

>

My pinkies curve too - lol

BTW - supposedly it's a DS trait to have extra space between the big toes

and the second toe. But when I pointed it out to my (Japanese) mother in

law, she said that it's an Asian thing. Why else do you think traditional

Japanese shoes are made the way they are?

Anyway - as I understand it... ANY of the DS traits can be found individually

somewhere in the general population. It's the grouping of several of them in

one person that make it a " syndrome "

Becky

mom to (13) (10, DS) (8.5)

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In a message dated 7/14/02 9:18:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

DownsIsUp@... writes:

> My son, Evan, does not have the single crease in either of his hands. His

> palms look " normal. " However, his pinky fingers do have the slight curve.

>

> Terry

> Mom to Evan, 6, DS

>

>

My pinkies curve too - lol

BTW - supposedly it's a DS trait to have extra space between the big toes

and the second toe. But when I pointed it out to my (Japanese) mother in

law, she said that it's an Asian thing. Why else do you think traditional

Japanese shoes are made the way they are?

Anyway - as I understand it... ANY of the DS traits can be found individually

somewhere in the general population. It's the grouping of several of them in

one person that make it a " syndrome "

Becky

mom to (13) (10, DS) (8.5)

[Guest guest]

i have a very weird question to ask all of you who have a child with Downs.

I have the child developement people stumped up here in Canada because none

of them have ever seen a child with Downs who does not have the single

crease across the hands and my son has the same lines as my husband and

myself not a single crease across the hands. Was just wondering if all of

the kids out there do or don't

Thanks Sherri (mom to Tayler almost 4 (ds) and Cierra 2 1/2)

[Guest guest]

It is not universal, Sherri. has it one hand but not the

other. Not a definitive diagnosis.

Jessie, Mom to , 37 and the light of my life.

[Guest guest]

It is not universal, Sherri. has it one hand but not the

other. Not a definitive diagnosis.

Jessie, Mom to , 37 and the light of my life.

[Guest guest]

Merisa doesn't have the crease in her hands -- our doc told us that not all DS

children have the crease.

sherriwalthers <sherriwalthers@...> wrote: i have a very weird question

to ask all of you who have a child with Downs.

I have the child developement people stumped up here in Canada because none

of them have ever seen a child with Downs who does not have the single

crease across the hands and my son has the same lines as my husband and

myself not a single crease across the hands. Was just wondering if all of

the kids out there do or don't

Thanks Sherri (mom to Tayler almost 4 (ds) and Cierra 2 1/2)

[Guest guest]

I myself have the single line. guess its cuz i have kinda small hands.

anyway, my ben (17ds) only has one had with the single line. interesting

stuff huh?

kerrie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/15/02 4:57:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Wildwards writes:

>

>

> In a message dated Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:40:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> RSYOSH writes:

>

> > Anyway - as I understand it... ANY of the DS traits can be found

> individually

> > somewhere in the general population. It's the grouping of

> > several of them in

> > one person that make it a " syndrome "

>

> Yep and the grouping is seven or more.

> Cheryl in VA

>

>

'course all this became moot once LeJeune discovered that an extra chromosome

is the cause

BTW.... know why it used to be called Mongolism? (Or Mongolion Idiot?) THAT

little tidbit is REALLY annoying...

- Becky

[Guest guest]

Many kids with DS do not have the lines. Mine doesn't. The line across the

hand is only one of 50 possible physical characteristics that can mean DS. I

know plenty of kids with DS here that also do not have the " Palmer crease " . One

young lady I know has it on one hand only.

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

Many kids with DS do not have the lines. Mine doesn't. The line across the

hand is only one of 50 possible physical characteristics that can mean DS. I

know plenty of kids with DS here that also do not have the " Palmer crease " . One

young lady I know has it on one hand only.

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

In a message dated Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:40:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, RSYOSH

writes:

> Anyway - as I understand it... ANY of the DS traits can be found individually

> somewhere in the general population. It's the grouping of

> several of them in

> one person that make it a " syndrome "

Yep and the grouping is seven or more.

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/14/2002 9:22:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

sherriwalthers@... writes:

<< I have the child developement people stumped up here in Canada because none

of them have ever seen a child with Downs who does not have the single

crease across the hands and my son has the same lines as my husband and

myself not a single crease across the hands. >>

Liam doesn't have it either.

Kathy, Liam's mom(4)

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In a message dated 7/15/2002 12:07:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

jkellett@... writes:

> . The cardiologist always asks with a smile if

> he's a pain in the butt, and we say " yes " (and he *is* a handful), and

> the cardiologist says " great " .

Maverick had his surgery at 4 months to repair two holes. When he was older

and we went in for a check, I asked the pediatric cardologist if he couldn't

just have left a LITTLE hole to slow him down!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/15/02 11:40:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

lowenthalrj@... writes:

>

>

> The grouping is seven or more of the " classic " 50+ characteristics to

> make a " clinical " diagnosis. The karotype is still recommended to be

> sure and determine which type of T21.

>

> When Jess was born, a nurse tried to get the OB to look at the single

> line in one of her hands--maybe he looked at the other hand, but he blew

> her off and we didn't get the dx for several hours. I got the impression

> that for the next several days until the lab tests came in, the staff

> was debating the whole issue (several of them offered us their thoughts

> and one med student showed us the single lines in her hands and told us

> she didn't have ds).

>

> Looks like a standard but not required thing to me.

>

When was born, the nurses told my pediatrician they detected the

tell-tale " fat pad " on the back of her neck. My pediatrician was very

hesitant to call it DS tho... she is half-Asian and many of the facial

characteristics (ie epicanthal fold, eye placement, shape of face) could be

due to that. She was also a vaginal (natural/ no meds) delivery, which could

account for head distortions. She was quite strong at birth and not

" floppy " . Finally at 2 weeks we drew blood for the karyotype, which came

back positive for traditional T-21 (at 4 weeks). It was quite a shock...

When I went for my post partum check up at 7 weeks I asked the obstetrician

if he knew and he said " as soon as I delivered her. " It REALLY ticked me off

when I later discovered that he could have pulled the cord blood and sent it

to the lab to confirm... instead of us having to pull a big enough sample out

of her teeny-tiny arm at 2 weeks old (it took 4 sticks I think).

My pediatrician told me a year later that he had a case where a single mom

deliverd a half-Asian child at the same hospital (Cedar Sinai in LA) and the

genetisict on staff took one look and based on clinical observations declared

that the baby had DS. The karyotype came back negative.

- Becky

[Guest guest]

The grouping is seven or more of the " classic " 50+ characteristics to

make a " clinical " diagnosis. The karotype is still recommended to be

sure and determine which type of T21.

When Jess was born, a nurse tried to get the OB to look at the single

line in one of her hands--maybe he looked at the other hand, but he blew

her off and we didn't get the dx for several hours. I got the impression

that for the next several days until the lab tests came in, the staff

was debating the whole issue (several of them offered us their thoughts

and one med student showed us the single lines in her hands and told us

she didn't have ds).

Looks like a standard but not required thing to me.

Re: a line across the hands

In a message dated Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:40:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

RSYOSH writes:

> Anyway - as I understand it... ANY of the DS traits can be found

individually

> somewhere in the general population. It's the grouping of

> several of them in

> one person that make it a " syndrome "

Yep and the grouping is seven or more.

Cheryl in VA

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[Guest guest]

Yes, this is correct. The physical signs are used to make a clinical

diagnosis but this still must be confirmed with the karyotype. I

myself have a single crease on one hand, and I am a pediatrician. My

daughter with DS doesn't have it on either hand! She wasn't

diagnosed until she was 2 mos old because she had so few

characteristics (it is more obvious now)

Janis (Mom to Placi age 5, Liesl age 3, and Cariana 10 mos

with DS)

> The grouping is seven or more of the " classic " 50+ characteristics

to

> make a " clinical " diagnosis. The karotype is still recommended to

be

> sure and determine which type of T21.

>

> When Jess was born, a nurse tried to get the OB to look at the

single

> line in one of her hands--maybe he looked at the other hand, but he

blew

> her off and we didn't get the dx for several hours. I got the

impression

> that for the next several days until the lab tests came in, the

staff

> was debating the whole issue (several of them offered us their

thoughts

> and one med student showed us the single lines in her hands and

told us

> she didn't have ds).

>

> Looks like a standard but not required thing to me.

>

> Re: a line across the hands

>

> In a message dated Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:40:45 PM Eastern Standard

Time,

> RSYOSH writes:

>

> > Anyway - as I understand it... ANY of the DS traits can be found

> individually

> > somewhere in the general population. It's the grouping of

> > several of them in

> > one person that make it a " syndrome "

>

> Yep and the grouping is seven or more.

> Cheryl in VA

>

>

>

>

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for

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