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I'm a 48yr old female that has ventricular tachycardia. I have had devices

(we are up to the 3rd) since Nov. 94.

I would be happy to talk with you. Jeannie

icd patient

> i am a 28yr old male w/ a icd.l have had mine for 10 yrs.i have it

> because of ventricular tachecardia.would like to talk w/others that

> have one

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Dear Stacie, How happy I am in making your acquaintance. I'll keep you in my

thoughts for a new and improved happy heart soon. I have IEM and so am not

eligible for a heart transplant so I'm slowing.....down. Thus now the pacer

as well. Last evening though, true to form I sat for almost 2 hrs in V-tach.

I'm a 48 yr old wife and mother of one very lovely young woman, who is

22 now. I have had my unit since Nov. 94.

Tell me more about you. Love, Jeannie

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> hi my name is stacie i'm 17 i have had my icd aka jumpy since fab 26 1998

> i have vt and aflutter which was caused from cardiomyopathy and other

heart

> probloms and health probloms i would love to talk to you if you want i

> presntly waitinmg for a heart transplant

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> stacie,17

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Stacie:

I'm in Central California, 59 years old (some days older than that), and had

to medically retire when I v-fibbed on the street delivering mail. It was

an easy transition for me to become a non-worker and house husband. My

heart capacity is at 25% to 33%, but I pretty much do what I normally did,

just not very much of it. I cannot jog because that is what set off my AICD

the only time that it fired, but I drive, use the exercise bike (no tension)

and can still walk several miles without fatigue (all that mailman

training). I do get tired periodically and that is the most noticeable

effect I have ahd other than shortness of breath that comes on in the usual

situations. Overall, I am remarkably healthy for my health, but I do have

congestive heart failure to go along with my one-fourth to one-third cardiac

capacity.

I have learned over the years that all of us can take control of our lives

in many ways that we do not expect. Medical care is one of them. Our

medical care is partnership between the patient and the doctor. the docs

know medicine far better than we do, but we know our bodies. If we

seriously think about what is going on in our bodies, the things that we can

feel, or even just sense mentally, then we should try very hard to learn to

put that knowledge in very precise words. This gives us the ability to

communicate better with our doctors. We also need to know when the decision

on what to do is best made by us or better made by the doctors. with time

we all learn to do this a little bit. Doing it consciously makes us a

better patient, and we get better care.

Another factor is where we live and what medical services are available

nearby. In the town I live in we have one cardiologist who is a good

diagnostician and will immediately refer patients to larger/better

facilities when their cases are beyond his practice or expertise. I also

have a family doctor here in town for miscellaneous stuff, and intern in

merced (35 miles away for serious stuff) and my cardiology group in Modesto

fifty miles away. Bewtween all of them I can get the proper care I need, be

it timely or long term. Each of us should have a medical plan to do that,

especially given the restrictions of HMO's and other medical providers.

As for occupying my time, besides the computer, I read and write a lot.

Watching television for the news, movies and sports alittle bit, too. Of

course I do the normal things for fun like play with my grandchilodren

(Number ten is due in late March) . I also communicate extensively with my

old Air Force buddies who are scattered around the country. I would most

recommend reading and writing to anyone confined to their home. Especially

reading. there was a time--long before I was born--where many people

acquired a very good education on their own by reading. Not only is that

still possible, the computer makes it even easier.

Hope this gives you a little insight into what I do with my time. At some

point I know that I'll be more housebound than I am now, but until then, I

do what I can. And try to enjoy it.

Best.

Bill

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> > > hi my name is stacie i'm 17 i have had my icd aka jumpy since fab 26

> 1998

> > > i have vt and aflutter which was caused from cardiomyopathy and other

> > heart

> > > probloms and health probloms i would love to talk to you if you want i

> > > presntly waitinmg for a heart transplant

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hi my name is stacie i'm 17 i have had my icd aka jumpy since fab 26 1998

i have vt and aflutter which was caused from cardiomyopathy and other heart

probloms and health probloms i would love to talk to you if you want i

presntly waitinmg for a heart transplant

stacie,17

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my icd or jumpy has want off over 80 times in 2 years but latey my heart

rate when i'm in v-tach has been lower and i can usealy brang myself out of

if soon but sometimes i'm in for two or 3 hour and the icd does not get me

out of it because it's not set high enough my ef is 20% and right now i'm

in heart failure and i'm in a wheelchair i cant go to school and don't have

freinds that here where i live but i do has some very specail freinds online

and on this support groupi hope we can be friends to i live in indiana but i

have never been to the indy 500 anythang ealse you would like to know just

ask do you have pets i have 5 dogs 2 cats 1 bird 1 fish can you tell me what

your faviret thang to do in your spare time is thanks

stacie,17

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>

> > hi my name is stacie i'm 17 i have had my icd aka jumpy since fab 26

1998

> > i have vt and aflutter which was caused from cardiomyopathy and other

> heart

> > probloms and health probloms i would love to talk to you if you want i

> > presntly waitinmg for a heart transplant

> >

> > stacie,17

> >

> >

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> > Please visit the Zapper homepage at

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thank you i have had my icd for ten yrs.i was born w/transpostion of

the great vessles.corrected when i was ten.the i developed vt.got a

anti tach device,when i wass 12.then got icd.when i was 18.discovered

i had a very fast vt up to 300 bpm or more.i have had a few

shocks,but only 1 for the vt.the others were when i was haveing

atrial fiblaration or flutter as it is called.so thats my story.feel

free to email me.i need all the support i can get. scott

> Hello ffish!

>

> Welcome to the club. If I remember right you said you have

Ventricular

> Tachycardia (?) Did you just become the proud owner of a new dual-

chamber

> AICD? We can all laugh, but as someone recently posted, we sure

are lucky we

> have this technology available.

>

> Debbie, maybe you can help here--I realize each of us have our

devices for

> different reasons, but I wonder now if they just automatically give

AICDs to

> patients with " dual-chamber " (atrial & ventricular) capacity

automatically

> instead of single-chamber like I have(?). They used to give

defibs &

> pacemakers separately--now everyone gets the combo. Is this the

same

> rationale? I don't know if I am correct about this.

>

> And ffish (don't know your name), did you have different events

that lead up

> to your having the AICD? You're very young, if I remember

correctly.

>

> Keep moving forward--push hard--every day gets better!

>

> Take Good Care,

> Fondly,

>

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Are there 2 of us with the name of Phyllis. I am from Milwaukee, not New

York.

pschatsky@... wrote:

>

> Tell me about your support group, I would like to start one in New York.

> What goes on, how many times a month, who leads it, and what do you discuss.

> If you can answer some of these questions I would really appreciate it.

> Thanks

>

> Phyllis

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Where are you from?

Phyllis from Milwaukee or Phyllis M.

pschatsky@... wrote:

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> Thank you so much for you e-mails, they are veray encouraging. Do you have a

> problem with weight? I do and I have just about the same symptoms that you

> have.

>

> Phyllis

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Hello Mike, I've been quiet as I've been trying to make a website. I got my

domain name and I've got a home at angelfire but I can't figure out how to

connect the two. Ah well, fun times. I'm on 150mg of Atenolol a day. I

spread it out over the course of the day and find that it has helped a great

deal.

Keep happy, Love, Jeannie

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> Hello Jeannie,

> Welcome to the group! I sure hope not to have any zaps, but at least I

know

> it's there now if needed. My V-tach was brought on through heart damage

> caused by an MI in March at 41. Long family history of heart disease.

Just

> found out about it too late, and then by-pass was needed at 41 yrs. old.

> Never in my wildest dreams!!! I said it once and I'll say it again this

> group has done more for me than any medicine could ever do. They all have

> picked me up, and gave me the confidence I needed. Great group of folks

> here...Take care and stay healthy.

> Mike

> Central,PA.

> Stcapital7@...

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I do. I have gained a whale since I can't get around as well. I'm trying but

the Dr's say 'take it slowly.' Love, Jeannie

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> Thank you so much for you e-mails, they are veray encouraging. Do you

have a

> problem with weight? I do and I have just about the same symptoms that

you

> have.

>

> Phyllis

>

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I am new on this site and this is the first time I have posted, although I

have been reading for a couple of weeks. First of all, let me introduce

myself briefly. I have had an AICD implanted since the latter part of August

of 1996. My problems began the first of that month when I experienced an

episode of syncope. In the ER following that episode I was told I had

ventricular tachycardia. At that time I had been taking the diet drug combo

fenphen for a little over seven months and there was some speculation that

that may have had a part in my problem. I was finally allowed to fly home (I

live on the East coast and was on West coast when this happened). I went to

an internist upon arrival here and she was going to have me wear a holter

monitor but at the last minute said I needed to be in the hospital so I was

admitted directly to the hospital from her office. Fortunately for me as I

had cardiac arrest the next day around noon. Had I not been where I could

receive immediate medical attention, who knows? I received my AICD at that

time. I have been reviewing my some of my medical records from this time

period and find the following terms used to describe my condition then:

bigiminy, prolonged QT, Torsades de Pointes, Long QT Syndrome, ventricular

tachycardia. I had a heart cath on this same admission when I had the AICD

implanted and it showed the coronary arteries to be fine but showed moderate

to severe mitral valve regurgitation. The echo taken at that time showed the

valve damage to be only mild. This valve damage was caused by the fenphen.

The final diagnosis from my EP was that I had Long QT Syndrome, and he was

under the impression that it was genetic. However, it is now believed since

no one in my immediate family or family history has had this (they have been

tested), that it could very well have been drug-induced or acquired Long QT

Syndrome, caused by the fenphen.

I mention the fenphen due to the postings I've read from several

about having weight problems and wonder if anyone posting took that

particular diet drug " cocktail " ?

My " story " is not quite over. After the AICD implant, I still

suffered from fatigue and extreme shortness of breath. This was determined

to be because I had virtually complete electrical heart block between the

upper and lower chambers and the pacer which was part of the AICD was only

pacing one chamber and the other chamber was having to struggle along on its

own. So in the spring of 1998 I had a dual-chamber, rate-responsive

pacemaker implanted in my right upper chest. Now I have matching scars on

either front shoulder and sometimes feel like the bionic woman, especially

when going through airport security (I get handsearched). There are now

combination devices that combine the dual-chamber pacemakers with the ICD but

those were just coming out when I had mine implanted so don't have that.

Don't know if that will be an option when mine is due for replacement in the

next year.

I have only had one episode of the debibrillator " firing " since having

implanted in 1996. That was a few months after I had it implanted and still

don't know the exact cause of the " firing " at that time, except for several

guesses: I had attempted to return to work which was causing stress. I had

stopped taking my K-Dur (at my internist recommendation). I was walking up

steps carrying heavy objects at the time. So one or all of those things, I

guess, precipitated the firing.

Sorry to write such a long letter, but it's a long story! Would love

to hear from any and all. Hope

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I think Hope has a great idea.

As I have just really been reading and participating in the Zaplist for few

weeks, I would love to " meet " you all.

How about we each send a very short bio, where we live, hobbies, etc.,

When we got our ICD. Some have done so already, but I want to start saving

these in a file so that I can better get to know and remember who's who.

Anyone have any objections?

Peace, Ginnie

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Hope, the thing with genetics is that always one person has to be the

beginning of the chromosome change. You might be the first to carry Long-QT.

I'm not a nurse so I don't know but I would ask. I have gained tons of

weight and I am not on any diet at the time. I was petite and now am XL. My

doctor says it is my meds and lack of exercise, but I must not exercise

much. Love, Jeannie

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> I am new on this site and this is the first time I have posted, although I

> have been reading for a couple of weeks. First of all, let me introduce

> myself briefly. I have had an AICD implanted since the latter part of

August

> of 1996. My problems began the first of that month when I experienced an

> episode of syncope. In the ER following that episode I was told I had

> ventricular tachycardia. At that time I had been taking the diet drug

combo

> fenphen for a little over seven months and there was some speculation that

> that may have had a part in my problem. I was finally allowed to fly home

(I

> live on the East coast and was on West coast when this happened). I went

to

> an internist upon arrival here and she was going to have me wear a holter

> monitor but at the last minute said I needed to be in the hospital so I

was

> admitted directly to the hospital from her office. Fortunately for me as

I

> had cardiac arrest the next day around noon. Had I not been where I could

> receive immediate medical attention, who knows? I received my AICD at

that

> time. I have been reviewing my some of my medical records from this time

> period and find the following terms used to describe my condition then:

> bigiminy, prolonged QT, Torsades de Pointes, Long QT Syndrome, ventricular

> tachycardia. I had a heart cath on this same admission when I had the

AICD

> implanted and it showed the coronary arteries to be fine but showed

moderate

> to severe mitral valve regurgitation. The echo taken at that time showed

the

> valve damage to be only mild. This valve damage was caused by the

fenphen.

> The final diagnosis from my EP was that I had Long QT Syndrome, and he was

> under the impression that it was genetic. However, it is now believed

since

> no one in my immediate family or family history has had this (they have

been

> tested), that it could very well have been drug-induced or acquired Long

QT

> Syndrome, caused by the fenphen.

> I mention the fenphen due to the postings I've read from several

> about having weight problems and wonder if anyone posting took that

> particular diet drug " cocktail " ?

> My " story " is not quite over. After the AICD implant, I still

> suffered from fatigue and extreme shortness of breath. This was

determined

> to be because I had virtually complete electrical heart block between the

> upper and lower chambers and the pacer which was part of the AICD was only

> pacing one chamber and the other chamber was having to struggle along on

its

> own. So in the spring of 1998 I had a dual-chamber, rate-responsive

> pacemaker implanted in my right upper chest. Now I have matching scars on

> either front shoulder and sometimes feel like the bionic woman, especially

> when going through airport security (I get handsearched). There are now

> combination devices that combine the dual-chamber pacemakers with the ICD

but

> those were just coming out when I had mine implanted so don't have that.

> Don't know if that will be an option when mine is due for replacement in

the

> next year.

> I have only had one episode of the debibrillator " firing " since

having

> implanted in 1996. That was a few months after I had it implanted and

still

> don't know the exact cause of the " firing " at that time, except for

several

> guesses: I had attempted to return to work which was causing stress. I

had

> stopped taking my K-Dur (at my internist recommendation). I was walking

up

> steps carrying heavy objects at the time. So one or all of those things,

I

> guess, precipitated the firing.

> Sorry to write such a long letter, but it's a long story! Would

love

> to hear from any and all.

Hope

>

>

> Please visit the Zapper homepage at

> http://www.ZapLife.org

>

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Ginnie wrote:

> How about we each send a very

> short bio, where we live, hobbies, etc.,

Ginnie:

Good idea for those that want to do so, but I suspect that there are those

of us who would like to keep all the personal stuff personal and stick

strictly to the ICD and cardiac-related issues. While I have shared a few

personal things with particular members of this group, I do not think I want

to reveal that much about myself on an open board.

The idea IMO is one that has significant merit but is not for everyone.

Best.

Bill

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Ginnie i'm 17 i had my implant implanted 2 years ago on feb 26 98 anyway i

have a dease called cardiomyopathy and other heart probloms causeing v-tach

and a-flutter i was one meds for a year then one day i had real bad chest

pain for 5 1/2 hours when i first started we just though it was caused by

by lung or heart problom so we said if it still hurt we would go to the er

well it did and we got to the er my pause was over 400 and had been there

the hole tim well they tryed iv meds which did not help 4 1/2 hours latter

they put me out and shocked me back the nexeted day they told me i needed

a icd i told thim no well i caucht a rear flu which agian almost took my

life i was in the hospital for 8 weeks and then two weeks later i let thim

put the icd in any ways i only let thim put it in because my anut told me i

i let thim put the icd in she would give me a puppy of her dogs which is a

ful blooded minny dachuond with papers his name is shadow see at the time

of the implant i was 14 i did not know how inporten it was but now i do

thank to medtronic and to jumpy aka icd i'm still here after over 80

shocks i'm from indiana

stacie,17

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Sharon -

Please send your mail to Phyllis directly. Use the reply to sender only

function.

Thank you in advance.

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:29:51 EDT IIPistacio@... writes:

>Phyllis I am n ot sure who you were wrting to but I have a problem

>with

>weight and it seems to be getting worse rather than better> I have

>restricted my diet but it seems I still gain instead of lose or just

>stay the

>same. My shrink is working on a new theroy about my needing and icd

>according to the way I was raised. Has anyone else heard anything

>about this.

>

>Take CAre

>Sharon

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Please send your mail to Sharon directly. Use the reply to sender only

function.

Thanks in advance.

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:35:46 EDT Msuebayer@... writes:

>Sharon,

>

>Check with your doctor about the prozac. The shrink I go to told me

>that the

>paxil I taked could definitely cause the weight gain. I am going to

>think

>about coming off gradually and see what happens. Let us know what

>comes up

>with the therory your shrink is working one.

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To whom is this addressed? Quite a bunch of writing of no importance to

the rest of us.

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:10:58 EDT IIPistacio@... writes:

>OK I am going to preach! Fat is just the barrels of life experience

>you have

>collected and have to keep with you to make it through life. Ha HA.

>When my

>son came home to see me and I was very self conscious as I have added

>several

>lbs to my already short height he told me the above. I thought it was

>sweet.

>

>I am 5' 2 " and I refuse to admit it but I way more than I ever did

>when I was

>pregnant with any of my children. I carry most of my weight right in

>the

>middle. I have tried only have mirrors that only go half way so that

>I don't

>have to see the bottom half of me.

>

>I think lack of exercise doesn't help is anyone other than Mike who

>jogs

>allowed to be active. I am allowed to walk short distances on warm

>days but

>must be careful of over doing.

>

>No more bikes, workout machines, volleyball or roller coasters in my

>future.

>I have even been warned about ocean swimming. My doctor feels these

>things

>are two risky as there is no place else to put a new icd should

>anything

>happen. What do all of you do about seat belts? I was told lap belt

>is OK

>but to leave of shoulder harness.

>

>I have a hard time not being active as I am a person who loves the

>outdoors.

>I have allergies and have since developed lung problems and now have

>been

>diagnosed with fibromyalgia (forgive spelling) I take allegera, 5

>inhalers,

>synthroid, prozac, previced and prinivial, acculate, and vioxx. I

>still take

>vitamins. I drink one cup of coffee a day and was told that is all

>right. I

>sometimes have a glass of wine before bed rather than take

>tranquilizers.

>(red wine).

>

>Does amnyone have a fuzzy mind. Sometimes I can't remember how to

>spell

>words or names for things escape me. Sometimes my fingers don't work

>right

>and sometimes I go to do something and I can't remember how to do it

>at all

>and then I get scarred.

>

>My family says that I am just getting old and feeble and they laugh it

>off.

>It like my cross stitch I look at a piece I am working on and I can't

>

>remember how to make the very next stitch. Mental Block !

>

>Take care

>Peace and friendship always

>Sharon

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Jeannie,

Please send your mail to Hope directly. Use the reply to sender only

function.

Thanks in advance.

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:43:43 -0700 " oplbeach " <oplbeach@...>

writes:

>Hope, the thing with genetics is that always one person has to be the

>beginning of the chromosome change. You might be the first to carry

>Long-QT.

>I'm not a nurse so I don't know but I would ask. I have gained tons

>of

>weight and I am not on any diet at the time. I was petite and now am

>XL. My

>doctor says it is my meds and lack of exercise, but I must not

>exercise

>much. Love, Jeannie

> Re: icd patient

>

>

>> I am new on this site and this is the first time I have posted,

>although I

>> have been reading for a couple of weeks. First of all, let me

>introduce

>> myself briefly. I have had an AICD implanted since the latter part

>of

>August

>> of 1996. My problems began the first of that month when I

>experienced an

>> episode of syncope. In the ER following that episode I was told I

>had

>> ventricular tachycardia. At that time I had been taking the diet

>drug

>combo

>> fenphen for a little over seven months and there was some

>speculation that

>> that may have had a part in my problem. I was finally allowed to

>fly home

>(I

>> live on the East coast and was on West coast when this happened). I

>went

>to

>> an internist upon arrival here and she was going to have me wear a

>holter

>> monitor but at the last minute said I needed to be in the hospital

>so I

>was

>> admitted directly to the hospital from her office. Fortunately for

>me as

>I

>> had cardiac arrest the next day around noon. Had I not been where I

>could

>> receive immediate medical attention, who knows? I received my AICD

>at

>that

>> time. I have been reviewing my some of my medical records from this

>time

>> period and find the following terms used to describe my condition

>then:

>> bigiminy, prolonged QT, Torsades de Pointes, Long QT Syndrome,

>ventricular

>> tachycardia. I had a heart cath on this same admission when I had

>the

>AICD

>> implanted and it showed the coronary arteries to be fine but showed

>moderate

>> to severe mitral valve regurgitation. The echo taken at that time

>showed

>the

>> valve damage to be only mild. This valve damage was caused by the

>fenphen.

>> The final diagnosis from my EP was that I had Long QT Syndrome, and

>he was

>> under the impression that it was genetic. However, it is now

>believed

>since

>> no one in my immediate family or family history has had this (they

>have

>been

>> tested), that it could very well have been drug-induced or acquired

>Long

>QT

>> Syndrome, caused by the fenphen.

>> I mention the fenphen due to the postings I've read from

>several

>> about having weight problems and wonder if anyone posting took that

>> particular diet drug " cocktail " ?

>> My " story " is not quite over. After the AICD implant, I

>still

>> suffered from fatigue and extreme shortness of breath. This was

>determined

>> to be because I had virtually complete electrical heart block

>between the

>> upper and lower chambers and the pacer which was part of the AICD

>was only

>> pacing one chamber and the other chamber was having to struggle

>along on

>its

>> own. So in the spring of 1998 I had a dual-chamber,

>rate-responsive

>> pacemaker implanted in my right upper chest. Now I have matching

>scars on

>> either front shoulder and sometimes feel like the bionic woman,

>especially

>> when going through airport security (I get handsearched). There are

>now

>> combination devices that combine the dual-chamber pacemakers with

>the ICD

>but

>> those were just coming out when I had mine implanted so don't have

>that.

>> Don't know if that will be an option when mine is due for

>replacement in

>the

>> next year.

>> I have only had one episode of the debibrillator " firing "

>since

>having

>> implanted in 1996. That was a few months after I had it implanted

>and

>still

>> don't know the exact cause of the " firing " at that time, except for

>several

>> guesses: I had attempted to return to work which was causing

>stress. I

>had

>> stopped taking my K-Dur (at my internist recommendation). I was

>walking

>up

>> steps carrying heavy objects at the time. So one or all of those

>things,

>I

>> guess, precipitated the firing.

>> Sorry to write such a long letter, but it's a long story!

>Would

>love

>> to hear from any and all.

>Hope

>>

>>

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>> http://www.ZapLife.org

>>

>>

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harold i thank what you are saying is silly because inorder to be a support

group you have to decuss thanks we all lean from what other people are

talking about and to me if they want to share with everyone thats there

bussness NOT YOUR but if you dont like just delate it you never know that

email might be helpful to you i understand what you are saying and i dont

mean what i'm saying wrong but i thank this is silly because i lean from

what they are saying i dont want to upset people but i run a support group

and own it to i know that this may seem to much as far as the emails but i

also know THIS IS A SUPPORT GROUP is but for give me but i dont thank what

you are doing is right

stacie,17

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