Prayer

June 21, 2002

In a message dated 6/20/02 7:20:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rads_81@... writes:

> don't usually do this. Can ya'll pray for my

> teacher. She callopsed then an ambalance came and

> took her to the hospital. I don't have an update- but

> that's what I've heard.

>

I'm sorry . I hope it's nothing very serious!! {{{hugs}}}

Donna

June 21, 2002

In a message dated 6/20/02 4:20:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

rads_81@... writes:

<< I don't usually do this. Can ya'll pray for my

teacher. She callopsed then an ambalance came and

took her to the hospital. I don't have an update- but

that's what I've heard.

>>

Will do that . Let us know how things are going.

(((((hugs)))))

Gail :-)

June 21, 2002

In a message dated 6/20/2002 7:20:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rads_81@... writes:

> I don't usually do this. Can ya'll pray for my

> teacher. She callopsed then an ambalance came and

> took her to the hospital. I don't have an update- but

> that's what I've heard.

Hi ,

I hope your teacher will be alright. I will keep her in my prayers.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?

June 22, 2002

thanks Gail

--- smilinggail@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/20/02 4:20:16 PM Pacific

> Daylight Time,

> rads_81@... writes:

>

> << I don't usually do this. Can ya'll pray for my

> teacher. She callopsed then an ambalance came and

> took her to the hospital. I don't have an update-

> but

> that's what I've heard.

>

> >>

> Will do that . Let us know how things are

> going.

> (((((hugs)))))

> Gail :-)

>

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June 22, 2002

thanks, I hope it's not too serious also

--- duffey48@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/20/02 7:20:14 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> rads_81@... writes:

>

> > don't usually do this. Can ya'll pray for my

> > teacher. She callopsed then an ambalance came and

> > took her to the hospital. I don't have an update-

> but

> > that's what I've heard.

> >

>

> I'm sorry . I hope it's nothing very

> serious!! {{{hugs}}}

> Donna

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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June 22, 2002

thanks, I hope so also

--- charlyne1121@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/20/2002 7:20:16 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> rads_81@... writes:

>

> > I don't usually do this. Can ya'll pray for my

> > teacher. She callopsed then an ambalance came and

> > took her to the hospital. I don't have an update-

> but

> > that's what I've heard.

>

> Hi ,

> I hope your teacher will be alright. I will keep her

> in my prayers.

> Charlyne

> Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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May 21, 2005

Well said; Bob

PRAYER

> every time i get upset with the supreme court i remember that the 10

> commandments are prominent in there hdtrs.

>

> i was in school in the fifties, and we said the pledge to the allegiance

> and then followed with the " our father " . we were required to say the

> pledge but were told that anyone that wishes not to participate in the

> prayer could leave the room or stay and do their own prayer silently. it

> was something our teachers believed should be done. and that was during

> the mccarthy era when that clown ran around claiming that anyone that

didnt

> agree with his was a communist.

>

> im not a particularly religious person and i sure hope there is an

> afterlife......my brother drank himself to death at age 51 and if i see

him

> in an afterlife i plan to kick the sh-t out of him for doing what he

> did.... then i guess we can drink for eternity...

>

> i think my signature on my emails says it all.... i would not be

> offended to see.....in budha we trust, or in allah we trust. or any other

> god for that matter... i think if he is real he is one and the

> same..... it is the people that make the mistakes......god doesnt kill

> people....people kill people. and thats a damn shame.... i wish i was

> living in the 25th century so i could be a crewman on the spaceship

> enterprize and work with all races and forms of aliens without the crap we

> live with in this world....

>

> debra,,, i see no reason you should shut up....... discussion is good as

> long as people can agree to disagree...

>

> by ya'll

>

> bob in missippi

>

> The hell with the Supreme Court

>

> " " " IN GOD WE TRUST " " "

>

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> http://www.ZapLife.org

>

May 21, 2005

Hey Bob? How many kids left the room? How many stayed but didn't

pray out loud? And how many stayed and prayed a prayer they didn't

believe out of fear of being pstracized?

Bridget

> every time i get upset with the supreme court i remember that the

10

> commandments are prominent in there hdtrs.

>

> i was in school in the fifties, and we said the pledge to the

allegiance

> and then followed with the " our father " . we were required to say

the

> pledge but were told that anyone that wishes not to participate in

the

> prayer could leave the room or stay and do their own prayer

silently. it

> was something our teachers believed should be done. and that was

during

> the mccarthy era when that clown ran around claiming that anyone

that didnt

> agree with his was a communist.

May 21, 2005

just a little food for thought

Dear God: Why didn't you save the school children at ?. Moses Lake, Washington 2/2/96 Bethel, Alaska 2/19/97 Pearl, Mississippi 10/1/97 West Paducah, Kentucky 12/1/97 Stamps, Arkansas 12/15/97

boro, Arkansas 3/24/98 Edinboro, Pennsylvania 4/24/98 Fayetteville, Tennessee 5/19/98 Springfield, Oregon 5/21/98 Richmond, Virginia 6/15/98 Littleton,Colorado 4/20/99 Taber, Alberta, Canada 5/28/99 Conyers, Georgia 5/20/99

Deming, New Mexico 11/19/99 Fort Gibson, Oklahoma 12/6/99 Santee, California 3/5/01 and El Cajon, California 3/22/01? Sincerely, Concerned Student ----------------------------------------------------- Reply:

Dear Concerned Student: I am not allowed in schools. Sincerely, God ---------------------------------------------------------- How did this get started?... -----------------Let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray O'Hare complained she didn't want any prayer in our schools.

And we said, OK... ------------------Then, someone said you better not read the Bible in school, the Bible thatsays "thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbors as yourself," And we said, OK... -----------------Dr. Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when theymisbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage

their self-esteem. And we said, an expert should know what he's talking about so we won't spank them anymore.. ------------------ Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our childrenwhen they misbehave. And the school administrators said no faculty memberin this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued.

And we accepted their reasoning... ------------------Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want,and they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said, that's a grand idea... ------------------ Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms theywant, so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have totell their parents they got them at

school. And we said, that's another great idea... ------------------Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we doin private as long as we do our jobs.And we said, it doesn't matter what anybody, including the President, does in private as long as we have jobs and the economy is good... ------------------ And someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then stepped further still by making them

available on the Internet. And we said, everyone's entitled to free speech.... ------------------And the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies thatpromote profanity, violence and illicit sex... And let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes... And we said, it's just entertainment and it has no adverse effect and nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead... ------------------Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from

wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, classmates or even themselves. ------------------Undoubtedly, if we thought about it long and hard enough, we could figure it out. I'm sure it has a great deal to do with... "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW,">Bridget <rumplegroups@...> wrote:

Hey Bob? How many kids left the room? How many stayed but didn't pray out loud? And how many stayed and prayed a prayer they didn't believe out of fear of being pstracized?Bridget> every time i get upset with the supreme court i remember that the 10 > commandments are prominent in there hdtrs.> > i was in school in the fifties, and we said the pledge to the allegiance > and then followed with the "our father". we were required to say the > pledge but were told that anyone that wishes not to participate in the > prayer could leave the room or stay and do their own prayer silently. it > was something our teachers believed should be done. and that was during >

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May 21, 2005

hi bridgett,

the fear part, i have no idea..... i know i would have liked to have had

the guts to leave the room cause i was a smart aleck in school but i hung

in there....

if memory serves we had one young lady of a different faith (i had no idea

in those days) and she would sit silently and mouth words to whatever..

but nobody actually left the room.... some of the jocks just kept silent

but i guess that was to be expected to keep there personna,

i guess what i forgot to mention was that i went to school in a town of

5,000 right at the border of scranton way up in n. e. pa.

i didnt even meet my first real live black person til i was 17 and in texas

for air force basic training.

i can share an experience that is funny now but horrifying at the time. i

became friends with a young black kid my age while at keesler air force

base in southern mississppi...(where i live now). we to biloxi one night

for beers (he was as ignorant as i was). we walked into a white bar and

both got our tails kicked and thrown out. we took a cab and asked where

the black area was,,, we got our tails kicked and thrown out of there

also.. we went back to the base and drank our beers at the

commissary. needless to say we didnt go to billoxi together now. it is

like a whole different world down here now.. everybody at least seems to

get along,,,, and most people refer to anyone as mr or miss.......all the

nurses black and white call me mr bobby,,,,,,all the kids in the

neighborhood call me mr bob.. im glad i left the north to come

here...... completely different way of live and let live here.

bob in missippi

May 21, 2005

Bob, you forgot the "Yes Mam, No Mam, or "Yes Sir, No Sir"

I went back for a visit, and it was so nice to hear that. (Hank in Ca.)

RJS wrote:

hi bridgett,

the fear part, i have no idea..... i know i would have liked to have

had

the guts to leave the room cause i was a smart aleck in school but i

hung

in there....

if memory serves we had one young lady of a different faith (i had no

idea

in those days) and she would sit silently and mouth words to whatever..

but nobody actually left the room.... some of the jocks just kept

silent

but i guess that was to be expected to keep there personna,

i guess what i forgot to mention was that i went to school in a town of

5,000 right at the border of scranton way up in n. e. pa.

i didnt even meet my first real live black person til i was 17 and in

texas

for air force basic training.

i can share an experience that is funny now but horrifying at the

time. i

became friends with a young black kid my age while at keesler air force

base in southern mississppi...(where i live now). we to biloxi one

night

for beers (he was as ignorant as i was). we walked into a white bar

and

both got our tails kicked and thrown out. we took a cab and asked

where

the black area was,,, we got our tails kicked and thrown out of there

also.. we went back to the base and drank our beers at the

commissary. needless to say we didnt go to billoxi together now. it

is

like a whole different world down here now.. everybody at least seems

to

get along,,,, and most people refer to anyone as mr or miss.......all

the

nurses black and white call me mr bobby,,,,,,all the kids in the

neighborhood call me mr bob.. im glad i left the north to come

here...... completely different way of live and let live here.

bob in missippi

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January 29, 2006

In a message dated 1/29/2006 9:15:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,

osdbmom@... writes:

But,

I dont believe that if someone has sick kids, its b/c they dont pray

enough or dont believe enough.

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,

You are right. We are human, and as such are subject to human ailments.

God does choose to heal some, but not others. I have always taken the posture

of praying that God's will be done in my life and the lives of my children.

Healthy or sick!

Sandi, Mom to , age 12, CVID

January 30, 2006

Valarie, you know this is a hot topic in our lives! I'm still not on

speaking terms with my mother and I doubt that things will ever be the same

with us! She insists that Conner is being punished by his illness for

reading Harry Potter!

Mom to Conner (11, Asperger's, mild CP, partial seizures, asthma, GERD,

Hashimoto's disease, hypogammaglobulinemia, complement deficiency, antibody

deficiency, NK cell defect, and resolved adrenal insufficiency),

Hayden (11, PDD-NOS, IBS and moderate hearing loss/aided),

Evan (11, asthma and mild hearing loss/unaided),

and Kelsey - (9 going on 19!)

Please visit us at www.caringbridge.org/in/connersmith

January 30, 2006

Forgot to mention the reason that my mom says that God is punishing Conner

is because we aren't " good enough Christians " .

My mother-in-law said something interesting this week too. My husband's

sister and her family have had a landfall of good fortune recently. My MIL

says they have better luck than us because they really know how to pray.

Does that mean that we aren't praying enough? Or the right way? Why do

people say these things?

Mom to Conner (11, Asperger's, mild CP, partial seizures, asthma, GERD,

Hashimoto's disease, hypogammaglobulinemia, complement deficiency, antibody

deficiency, NK cell defect, and resolved adrenal insufficiency),

Hayden (11, PDD-NOS, IBS and moderate hearing loss/aided),

Evan (11, asthma and mild hearing loss/unaided),

and Kelsey - (9 going on 19!)

Please visit us at www.caringbridge.org/in/connersmith

January 30, 2006

Sorry to butt in, but that is ludicrous!!! What is it with people and Harry

Potter? My 5 yr old had a new friend from her Kindergarten class that came over

several times to play. We saw the parents and their kids at the theater, and we

had gone to see Harry Potter. My 7 yr old is reallly the Harry Potter fan, but

likes it, too. I covered her eyes for a couple of scary parts, but she

knows it is all make-believe and enjoys it. Anyway, when the Mom asked us what

movie we saw, she lectured us about how she wouldn't even let her 4th grader see

it, blah, blah, blah. The next time I called to see if her daughter could come

over to play, there was a loooong pause, and she just said " no " . The kids

haven't played together since. Apparently my daughter is EVIL because she's

seen Harry Potter, and I am a bad Mom.

Harry Potter is just fantasy. It doesn't mean children are evil because they

enjoy the story. I wonder if they think " Magical Mickey " from Disney is evil?

It's ridiculous! I feel bad for your son. Hopefully Grandma hasn't said this

to him!!!

, Mom to , 5, IgA Deficient, Asthma, Chronic Ear/Sinus Infections and

Connor, 7, Eczema

>

> From: " S " <tripletsand1@...>

> Date: 2006/01/30 Mon AM 07:08:34 EST

>

> Subject: Re: Prayer

>

January 30, 2006

,

I personally think that it is horrible that your mother and MIL are blaming

your child's illness on " how you pray " ! But, unfortunately their are some

Christians out there who think that way. My children go to a wonderful

Christian school that we have always thought very highly of. Then the other day

I ran into a lady who's daughter used to go there. I asked how her husband was

doing (he was diagnosised with Alzheimer's at a very young age) and she said

great and how she hated to leave the school because of some of the nice people,

but that some of the students were telling her daughter that her father had

gotten sick because her family didn't read their bible and pray enough!! I was

sick to hear that! We have no control over what God chooses to do with our kids

or our lives. Children are " our gift from God " (as per the bible). They are

not " ours " to keep..only ours to take care of & raise the best we can while here

on earth..that is our Christian duty to God. But in the long run, they are he's

for eternity. You need to remind you mother/MIL of the bible verse Ephesians

2:4-9.. " But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us

alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions-it is by grace you

have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the

heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show

the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ

Jesus. FOR IT IS BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED, through faith-and this NOT from

yourselves, it is the GIFT of GOD-NOT by works, so that NO ONE CAN BOAST.

Because He died for ALL of us,

Becki Rion

Re: Prayer

Valarie, you know this is a hot topic in our lives! I'm still not on

speaking terms with my mother and I doubt that things will ever be the same

with us! She insists that Conner is being punished by his illness for

reading Harry Potter!

Mom to Conner (11, Asperger's, mild CP, partial seizures, asthma, GERD,

Hashimoto's disease, hypogammaglobulinemia, complement deficiency, antibody

deficiency, NK cell defect, and resolved adrenal insufficiency),

Hayden (11, PDD-NOS, IBS and moderate hearing loss/aided),

Evan (11, asthma and mild hearing loss/unaided),

and Kelsey - (9 going on 19!)

Please visit us at www.caringbridge.org/in/connersmith

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January 30, 2006

In a message dated 1/29/2006 11:15:19 AM Central Standard Time,

osdbmom@... writes:

> I believe God CAN if he wants

> to, but sometimes, that just isnt the plan.

>

Valarie:

I don't know if this was intended for me or not. I wasn't saying that

everyone could be healed if only they prayed, but that I had never even bothered

to

pray about it before, I had felt I had no right to pray for normality. I think

it was sort of self-defeating, what I was doing... thinking we didn't even

have the right to ask for it. It was almost like a superstitious fear that if I

asked for too much I'd be sorry!

I actually don't even feel like God " chooses " to heal some and not others...

I feel like it's not always possible for Him to do it or it's not the plan...

like when I get a letter from the insurance co. in the mail I start praying

it's not a letter saying 's ped is no longer accepted in the plan... then I

realize I'm praying to go back in time, which is not fair to God -- if the

letter is already written, God can't undo it. So then I revise the prayer that

whatever the news is, He'll help me handle it and to accept that it's just part

of the plan.

I don't know if I started all this debate or not, and I sure didn't mean to

imply anybody could be " cured " if only they made the effort!

(mom to , age 6-1/2, dairy intolerant-related GERD -- currently

has polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell &

other defs... and also to Kate, age 3!, more dairy intolerant but very healthy!)

January 30, 2006

Wow, there is just something REALLY offensive about someone (some of the

mothers and MILs mentioned here re: praying and Harry Potter) implying we have

any

control over our children's illnesses. That is nothing short of BLAME. It's

disgusting! You are being BLAMED for your child's condition? Sick. And NOT very

Christian, in my view.

There are some Christians who believe in a fire-and-brimstone-type of God,

who will punish you, etc. I just don't believe that way. I believe in a loving

God, I never worry about being " punished " ... what kind of God would " give " a

child a horrible disease because the parents didn't pray enough? Or read one

book as opposed to another? This, in my view, is very bizarre thinking! And

makes

me wonder, if you are so awful for letting a child read this book or that,

and have been punished " accordingly " , then why isn't every rapist afflicted with

some horrible malady after his crime? HUH? Puleeeeease.

I am no biblical scholar -- my parents didn't even baptise me. I just go by

the seat of my pants and how I feel. So I don't know the actual words, but

isn't there a pretty important passage in the bible about not judging others?

Which is what those people are doing when they are telling you you are watching

the wrong movie or reading the wrong book or not praying the right way. So

there!

(mom to , age 6-1/2, dairy intolerant-related GERD -- currently

has polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell &

other defs... and also to Kate, age 3!, more dairy intolerant but very healthy!)

January 30, 2006

All I can say here is that it " rains on the just as well as the

unjust " . My kids have made the comment that it seems the catholics are

richer than others they know. I don't want anyone to take it wrong if

they are catholic because I don't mean to offend anyone. My dh was a

catholic. I don't think it has anything to do with how someone prays

as long as your heart is right with God and only you can know that. I

don't believe that you have things handed to you because you aren't

faithful enough or don't pray right. I think that you are given the

trials that you have because God knows you can handle it and others

wouldn't be able to. There is a saying that maybe you have heard

before " God won't give us more than he *knows* we can handle " so just

look at it this way, they don't have the problems you do because they

coulnd't handle it as well as you do.

Cassie

>

> Forgot to mention the reason that my mom says that God is punishing

Conner

> is because we aren't " good enough Christians " .

>

> My mother-in-law said something interesting this week too. My

husband's

> sister and her family have had a landfall of good fortune recently.

My MIL

> says they have better luck than us because they really know how to

pray.

> Does that mean that we aren't praying enough? Or the right way?

Why do

> people say these things?

>

> Mom to Conner (11, Asperger's, mild CP, partial seizures, asthma, GERD,

> Hashimoto's disease, hypogammaglobulinemia, complement deficiency,

antibody

> deficiency, NK cell defect, and resolved adrenal insufficiency),

> Hayden (11, PDD-NOS, IBS and moderate hearing loss/aided),

> Evan (11, asthma and mild hearing loss/unaided),

> and Kelsey - (9 going on 19!)

> Please visit us at www.caringbridge.org/in/connersmith

>

January 30, 2006

In a message dated 1/30/2006 4:13:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,

tripletsand1@... writes:

She insists that Conner is being punished by his illness for

reading Harry Potter!

,

If it makes you feel any better, I have to hide our Harry Potter books and

movies in the garage when my brother visits. I don't care about his opinion

(we disagree majorly) but I just don't want to hear about it.

Sandi, mom to , age 12, CVID

January 31, 2006

Boy, I should have told you all about my mom sooner. It feels good to get

confirmation that she's a nut! She really went off the deep end when she

learned that our pastor was a big Harry Potter fan. Some of the things she

said to me were shocking, she was just hateful about it. I could never

imagine saying the things she did to me to one of my own children. I

proceeded to tell her that she needed mental help - that really went over

well! Thankfully, we have a great church family to offer support and my

best friend is always there for us. I'm sure these people are in our lives

for a reason, they are definitely heaven-sent!

I don't want to get into a Harry Potter debate, but I've read all of the

books myself and I like the character of Harry Potter. I believe there is

value in my children knowing that it's okay to question authority when the

decisions they are making seem wrong or harmful to others. I also like that

Harry is often self-sacrificing in order to protect others, there is a lot

to be said for those kinds of values. Besides, I've never seen my children

try to perform witchcraft after being exposed to Harry Potter. They

definitely realize that it's just a story, like The Chronicles of Narnia

(and that dreadful witch!). By the way, my mom has never read Harry Potter

or seen any of the movies, someone had told her it was " wrong " . She also

now feels the same way about The Wizard of Oz, Snow White and the Seven

Dwarfs, Cinderella and anything else that contains a witch.

I also realize this isn't a religious group, but I know that I couldn't have

gotten through the last couple of years without my faith. Beliefs, like my

mother's, appear to be based on the Old Testament. As a Methodist, I am

blessed to have the New Testament with a New Covenant!

Thank you to everyone who wrote in about this, it's been very helpful!

Mom to Conner (11, Asperger's, mild CP, partial seizures, asthma, GERD,

Hashimoto's disease, hypogammaglobulinemia, complement deficiency, antibody

deficiency, NK cell defect, and resolved adrenal insufficiency),

Hayden (11, PDD-NOS, IBS and moderate hearing loss/aided),

Evan (11, asthma and mild hearing loss/unaided),

and Kelsey - (9 going on 19!)

Please visit us at www.caringbridge.org/in/connersmith

January 31, 2006

All I can say to that is " amen sister " . I am not a big fan of the Harry Potter

series for my own reasons so I will just leave it at that. I would like to see

the 'narnia' film though.

Cassie

S <tripletsand1@...> wrote: