weight

[Guest guest]

Dear Becky,

I really am just so glad I am not alone here. I told

the doctor in Aug. this was a concern and he said a

few pounds was nothing, well now I think it is 12

more.

He also did a few test telling me at 45 he thinks it

is just pre-menopause. Of course pre drives me nuts

as well.

Just glad not to be alone here. Something tells me

instead of trying to get into clothes that use to fit,

I should go up one more size, gee's huh.

Again thanks all, Sheri

--- MaBeck742@... wrote:

> Well Sheri,

> I understand you completely. All my young life

> I didn't have to worry

> about too much weight in fact there were times that

> I was under 100 lbs. then

> about menopause time the weight begin to ease on but

> usually I could get it

> back off. And all the while I would eat whatever I

> wanted. But in the last 10

> to 12 yrs. what I have gained has stayed with me.

> And the last three years

> I've gained about 50 lbs, and feel terrible about

> myself. I know I need to

> exercise but but my feet doesn't hold up for much

> walking. Tried water

> aerobics but our local pool is enclosed in a

building

> with canvas sheeting

> (like a tent) for the walls so it is quite drafty

> which doesn't go well with

> RA.

> I need to be more disciplined about my eating

> habits, this I do know.

> Oh, well all this was to tell you that there is

> others in the same boat and

> at least we can share our problem.

> Be Blessed,

> Becky

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Thanks for the feedback on the oils. I thought of something else I

want to ask about...I have been using the NT philosophy since April,

and I'm nowhere near total " compliance " but have made many changes

for my family.

The concern I want to bring up is that I have gained 8 pounds since I

began eating like this. I was always a real food person (butter not

margerine, cream or whole milk not fake dairy) but our intake of

meat, eggs, dairy and fats has gone up. I drink kefir every morning

(made with whole milk) now, where I had stopped drinking milk 15

years ago, eat more nut butters, etc. I wasn't skinny and in need of

more weight, although not overweight either. I'm 37 and concerned

that the scale will keep inching up as I get older. I have never been

a dieter and don't want to become one, nor do I want to be someone

obsessed with my weight.

I started running 2 weeks ago partially for this very reason and I'm

as active as I can be with 2 young kids, but that hasn't seemed to

have an effect.

What is ya'll's experience with weight gain with this eating style?

[Guest guest]

>> What is ya'll's experience with weight gain with this eating style? <<

, I DO have excess body fat to lose, and had hoped that by adopting NT I

could sort of naturally get trim, but it was not to be. I didn't gain, however.

I am now following Atkins guidelines for its strictest weight loss phase (carbs

around 20 grams a day, mostly in the form of leafy green veggies), but in a

totally NT way - lots of whole raw creams and cheese and butter, plus meat,

eggs, liver (limited to 1 oz a day at this time), etc. Total calories from fat

on this phase of Atkins is around 60-75 percent. I have lost around 35 pounds in

8 weeks since doing this, and feel better and more energetic than I've felt in

over 20 years. (I'm 44.)

So, I do believe that NT principles, and eating lots of fresh raw fats, are

consistent with losing excess body fat and also with maintaining a healthy

weight, however, just doing NT alone was not enough for me to restore the damage

that has been done to my metabolism over the years. I had to address the carb

issue. And I already had not eaten sugar for many years - but was still eating

around 300 grams of carbs a day. Lots of crusty French bread and risotto and

pasta and starchy veggies.

As we get older our metabolisms do change, as you are noticing. It becomes

easier to store body fat, harder to get it off. If there have been bad eating

habits, especially those such as high carb or low fat, which encourage insulin

resistance, then that becomes a factor also. One possible approach is to look at

reducing carbs in the diet instead of worrying about fat. I have come to firmly

believe that dietary fat is our friend.

Christie

[Guest guest]

> The concern I want to bring up is that I have gained 8 pounds since

I

> began eating like this. I was always a real food person (butter not

> margerine, cream or whole milk not fake dairy) but our intake of

> meat, eggs, dairy and fats has gone up. I drink kefir every morning

> (made with whole milk) now, where I had stopped drinking milk 15

> years ago, eat more nut butters, etc. I wasn't skinny and in need

of

> more weight, although not overweight either.

Hi

Could be that you are just plain eating too much! When changing the

way we eat, it is difficult to gauge whether we are eating the same

number of calories as before. I would suggest you cut down a little

on the amount of food you are eating as a first step to see how that

affects you.

Personally I find kefir makes me bloat and gain weight - but I seem

to be all alone with that one! It could be your problem too though?

JO

[Guest guest]

I'm ignornant here, what is IgG and IgA? Where do you get these

tests? One doctor tested me and said my tests showed stress, so my

cortisol levels probably are up. How does one bring them down?

Other than the obvious, reducing stress. Actually, I saw a doctor

today who told me he never recommends a vegetarian diet, but in my

case he does. It's so hard now trying to go back to vegetarianism,

when I had such a hard time re-adjusting to animal sources after 10

years without them, just within this past 16 months. Yet, something

is not agreeing with me.

Robin

>

> >Grass-fed beef, free-range eggs, raw dairy, coconut

> >oil/high quality olive oil, fruits, non-starchy veggies, and

nuts.

> >I rarely, rarely eat grain products, but despite my good diet I'm

> >fat and I hurt. It's frustrating! I've read tons of books and

have

> >tried various diets without success.

>

> You might try experimenting -- live a full day on apple juice

> and see what happens. A lot of people have IgG or IgA immune

> reactions, and I'm convinced that these lead to a lot of problems.

> Grains are not the only one, just the only one I know much about.

>

> If your body reacts to a food, your cortisol levels go way up.

> Stress hormones. Well, pain etc. will do that too. When cortisol

> goes up, your body goes into " fat storage " mode: it wants to

> break down muscle and store fat, and your blood sugar goes

> to pot. If you do better on a vegan diet, then the proteins in

> eggs, milk, or even chicken or beef *could* be a problem to you.

> There are tests for the IgG immune reactions (they are a bit

> pricey, but you can order them by mail), or you can just

> experiment.

>

> But a lot of people DO get a LOT better on

> highly restricted diets, and lose weight, and often the reason

> is simply that they are avoiding some thing that bothers them.

> That is probably a reason why people feel so good on fasts too.

>

> That, in fact, is what made me suspicious: I always felt SO GOOD

> on these highly restricted, not-good-for-you diets. But you

> have to experiment to figure it out: the reaction often takes

> 2-3 DAYS to show up. Being vegan long-term isn't a good idea,

> but short-term it won't kill you and might make it easier to

> pinpoint the problem.

>

> My family got a LOT leaner when I removed the wheat from their

> diets -- near as I can tell, that is the only problem food for

them.

> Me, I'm more complicated -- milk and artichokes seem to be

> a problem too.

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/16/03 7:11:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Nest4Robin@... writes:

> I'm ignornant here, what is IgG and IgA? Where do you get these

> tests? One doctor tested me and said my tests showed stress, so my

> cortisol levels probably are up. How does one bring them down?

> Other than the obvious, reducing stress. Actually, I saw a doctor

> today who told me he never recommends a vegetarian diet, but in my

> case he does. It's so hard now trying to go back to vegetarianism,

> when I had such a hard time re-adjusting to animal sources after 10

> years without them, just within this past 16 months. Yet, something

> is not agreeing with me.

Robin,

You are probably one of these " carbo " types that Metabolic Typing Diet talks

about. Maybe you should go on a very restricted diet and reintroduce foods to

figure out if you have an reactions to specific foods, and then you should

probably eat a low-animal food diet but not no animal food diet with high

quality animal products. In other words, you probably do better on low-fat, but

would do best if that low-fat included smaller amounts of full-fat foods of high

quality. IOW don't do lean meat, do less meat, no low-fat milk, but less

milk, etc.

Chris

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:24:09 -0000

" courtneysavin " <courtneysavin@...> wrote:

> Hi all,

>

<snip>

> What is ya'll's experience with weight gain with this eating style?

>

>

>

>

Hi ,

I think the best way to lose weight while following NT style principles

is to take a weight loss diet and retrofit it with NT principles.

What I have seen help the most people over the years is Atkins and Fit

For Life. Now that doesn't mean it helps everybody or that there aren't

exceptions to the rule, or that we need to believe everything these

authors write, but they both seem to have helped a wide swath of people

more than anything else I have seen.

Dr. Atkins is easily adaptable to this way of eating as it is very

" animalcentric " :-) As with all diets that restrict a particular

macronutrient (carbs), it may eventually become a struggle for some to

maintain, but it certainly has a nice track record in terms of losing

weight.

The biggest problem I have seen with most Atkin dieters is that they

simply do not eat enough fat. The diet should ideally be high fat

moderate protein. Many folks reverse that which can lead to struggles

and problems.

Nonetheless there are *many many* variations of a low carb diet. And

while one may not work another just might fit long term. My favorite is

the Anabolic diet. You eat low carb during the week and on the weekend

you totally reverse the ratio. You " fast " from carbs during the week

(you are allowed about 30-40 grams per day) and then feast on the

weekends, pretty much eating whatever you want..

This totally fits with my lifestyle and was originally created for

bodybuilders trying to lose fat while retaining muscle. The author has

revised the diet so as to meet the needs of the general public, which he

calls the Metabolic Diet: http://www.metabolicdiet.com/

IMO, if you want or need to be a long term low carber, this is an ideal

solution, much easier to manage than Atkins approach, if only because of

the social aspects of eating.

Fit For Life can be adapted as well even though the authors at the time

were vegetarians (not so anymore for one of the co-authors). They were

better marketers however, realizing they would sell many more books if

they packaged their food combining principles as a weight loss program

and allowed animal foods. The key here is to reject their vegetarian

bias and go heavy on the animal foods.

Now food combining works in many instances, at least for weight loss.

Whether it is necessary for health is another story. Although like so

many things that may not be necessary as you improve your diet, it may

have a certain health benefit for the typical SAD eater. The long term

problem with Fit For Life, is while it does not restrict macronutrients,

it does restrict how they are combined, knocking out many of our

favorite food combinations, and for many Westerners, compromises its

long term value.

Lately I have been experimenting with the warrior diet and I am

absolutely delighted: http://www.warriordiet.com. No macronutrient

restrictions, easily adaptable to my lifestyle and style of eating, and

something that can easily become a way of life, which I think is more

difficult for some in the other two approaches.

I was already eating using similar principles, but I thought I would

try it out. It works. Its fun actually. I would recommend it for someone

really struggling with their weight and nothing else has worked.

" Humans live on one-quarter of what they eat; on the other three-quarters lives

their doctor. "

--Egyptian pyramid inscription, 3800 B.C.

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:33:39 -0700 (PDT)

Jafa Sum <jafasum@...> wrote:

>

> Also, he said he really doesn't enjoy the diet, as he misses pasta, bread and

fruit.

I think he wants be able to eat anything in smaller amounts. He is

sticking to it though. Would be nice if he lost more weight with it.

Any other suggestions?

#########Hi Jafa,

Well if your boyfriend really doesn't enjoy the diet he is headed for

trouble, as he won't stick it out long term. Most people simply will not

stay with what they don't enjoy or don't eventually learn to enjoy. He

may eventually overcome his desire for fruit, bread, and pasta. Or maybe

just one or two, or maybe none at all.

You might have him check out the Metabolic Diet: http://www.metabolicdiet.com/

,

a low carb approach that allows for pretty much anything at certain

points in the cycle. Or for a diet that doesn't restrict any

macronutrients he might check our the Warrior Diet:

http://www.warriordiet.com

" Humans live on one-quarter of what they eat; on the other three-quarters lives

their doctor. "

--Egyptian pyramid inscription, 3800 B.C.

[Guest guest]

> " Humans live on one-quarter of what they eat; on the other three-quarters lives

their doctor. "

>--Egyptian pyramid inscription, 3800 B.C.

:

I love that! Esp. considering the Egyptians ate the first " modern " diet ...

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>> The biggest problem I have seen with most Atkin dieters is that they

simply do not eat enough fat. The diet should ideally be high fat

moderate protein. <<

Very true - I doubt I'd have had the success I'm having on Atkins if I hadn't

been committed to the NT/WAP way of eating first! I'd have never had the skills,

the recipes, the understanding to get enough healthy fat into me!

Better into me in my diet than hanging out on my hips. <G>

Christie

[Guest guest]

That was my problem on Atkins. I was on induction for about 10 days before

I figured out I would be less spacey if I ate more fat. But I didn't lose

any weight and felt very tired on the diet so I quit. I might not have been

drinking enought water. I might try it again in a few months.

Irene

At 02:00 PM 8/4/03, you wrote:

>The biggest problem I have seen with most Atkin dieters is that they

>simply do not eat enough fat.

[Guest guest]

>> That was my problem on Atkins. I was on induction for about 10 days before

I figured out I would be less spacey if I ate more fat. But I didn't lose

any weight and felt very tired on the diet so I quit. I might not have been

drinking enought water. I might try it again in a few months. <<

I belong to a big Atkins list, something like 2500 people on it. Over and over

people are having trouble, and, looking for feedback, they post what they eat.

So often, it's just starvation time - not enough food overall, and not even

close on the fat. At first I was irritated at them, but I do realize that it's

our whole society, not just them, not just those trying Atkins. They literally

cannot believe they can or should eat the levels of fat they need. Dr. Atkins

says quite clearly that induction is 60-75 percent of your calories from fat and

that a low-fat, low-carb diet is very bad for you, but they treat it like it's

an upper limit and brag a bit sometimes about coming in way under that. I had

already gotten that out of my system when I was exposed to NT/WAP by Suze

Fisher, who I " met " on some dog nutrition email lists.

You know, Suze, you did what 30+ years of dieting, trying, starving, therapy,

exercise, scare tactics, purging, and low-fatting failed to do. I don't think

I've had a normal metabolism since I got my period at 10 years old. Today I do.

Thank you. From the bottom of my heart.

Christie

[Guest guest]

So how did you get a normal metabolism? NT? Atkins? How?

The thing about Atkins is that he says not to try and eat low fat. Well I

have never been anywhere near a low fat diet. I always ate plenty of fat. I

fry everything in bacon grease, eat the skin on roast chicken, and lots of

butter on things. But I wasn't eating enough fat until I was eating

spoonfuls of butter and sour cream. I would eat nearly a pint of cream a

day in addition to my normal fat intake. I would not have guessed that I

needed to eat that much fat.

Irene

At 04:51 PM 8/4/03, you wrote:

>You know, Suze, you did what 30+ years of dieting, trying, starving,

>therapy, exercise, scare tactics, purging, and low-fatting failed to do. I

>don't think I've had a normal metabolism since I got my period at 10 years

>old. Today I do.

[Guest guest]

>> So how did you get a normal metabolism? NT? Atkins? How? <<

NT alone didn't do it, it took using the Atkins guidelines on TOP of NT to do

it.

From the first day of eating Atkins, I stopped having chills all the time,

stopped being sleepy after meals, and got this tremendous RUSH of energy. I

started getting sleepy early (9-10 PM), waking up extremely early (6 AM), and

became totally free of cravings. It's been around three months now, I feel 20

years younger.

I have lost a lot of weight and inches, and I'm very happy about that, but the

real miracle for me is that I feel so stable and energetic all the time! The

only time I feel even a gimmer of " the old way " is the day or so around my

menstrual period, which just reinforces my belief that this my problem was

hormonal/metabolic.

Christie

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>You know, Suze, you did what 30+ years of dieting, trying, starving,

therapy, exercise, scare tactics, purging, and low-fatting failed to do. I

don't think I've had a normal metabolism since I got my period at 10 years

old. Today I do. Thank you. From the bottom of my heart.

------>wow, christie...i don't know what to say other than you're welcome

from the bottom of *my* heart :-) i really didn't do anything but act as a

vehicle of the information you were ready for, and apparently needed. you've

done all the rest. i actually feel privileged to have been the one to " turn

you on to WAP/NT " . after all, you've had quite an impact on my worldview of

holistic health from a number of informed, eloquent and often passionate and

total_advocate_for_the_dog posts to the pet health lists over the years. and

i've always thought of you as a sort of mentor in regards to natural rearing

(of *dogs* folks, not *kids*. LOL). so, i guess i just returned the favor.

it all fits so cleary with natural rearing of our dogs, doesn't it? same

paradigm, different species.

so glad you are really living now :-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

Re: weight

>> That was my problem on Atkins. I was on induction for about 10 days

before

I figured out I would be less spacey if I ate more fat. But I didn't lose

any weight and felt very tired on the diet so I quit. I might not have been

drinking enought water. I might try it again in a few months. <<

I belong to a big Atkins list, something like 2500 people on it. Over and

over people are having trouble, and, looking for feedback, they post what

they eat. So often, it's just starvation time - not enough food overall, and

not even close on the fat. At first I was irritated at them, but I do

realize that it's our whole society, not just them, not just those trying

Atkins. They literally cannot believe they can or should eat the levels of

fat they need. Dr. Atkins says quite clearly that induction is 60-75 percent

of your calories from fat and that a low-fat, low-carb diet is very bad for

you, but they treat it like it's an upper limit and brag a bit sometimes

about coming in way under that. I had already gotten that out of my system

when I was exposed to NT/WAP by Suze Fisher, who I " met " on some dog

nutrition email lists.

Christie

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:32:07 -0700

Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

>

>

> > " Humans live on one-quarter of what they eat; on the other three-quarters

lives their doctor. "

> >--Egyptian pyramid inscription, 3800 B.C.

>

> :

>

> I love that! Esp. considering the Egyptians ate the first " modern " diet ...

>

> -- Heidi

Hi Heidi,

Yes it is an amazing quote when you think about it. Here we are nearly 6000

years later

and many a SAD eater could relate to that ancient Egyptian.

Glad you liked it!

[Guest guest]

LOL this reminds me of a Garfeild cartoon I read once:

to Garfield: " according to this chart, for your weight you should be 11

feet tall. "

Garfield: (insulted) " Are you calling me short? "

LOL

Ann Bekins <annbekins@...> wrote:

..

" Technically " according to whom? According to 100 year old height/weight charts

designed around white males who were rich enough to buy life insurance! All the

weight charts since then have been based on that. And please nobody bring up

BMI! Since BMI is calculated using height and weight, it's no different from

any other height/weight chart!

Mrs. Siemens

Helpmeet to , mommy to Zachary & Lydia

" For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto

salvation.... "

-Romans 1:16a-

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ann,

your post was very comforting.

i wish i could say my body was beautiful naked...it could be at this size

if i exercised even more to tighten things up. or ate less carbs and

more fats??

ya know, it's not even so much how i look but I'm VERY uncomfortable. i

HATE summer cuz every thing chafes. it's painful some days to wear a bra

cuz of all the chafing. and don't get me started with my thighs...

my grandmas were large women.

my mom is 73 and probably a size 14...she looks great. but my mom is not

large. eats healthy and is very energetic. but my grandmas diets were

both terrible, lots a lots of sweets, and their looks and their health

showed it.

i don't know. i can't stand being this uncomfortable, especially in

summer. i chafe when i walk; thighs rubbing together.

this weight can't be right if I'm this uncomfortable.

laura

She and I are the same height and always within 5 lbs of the same

weight. Of course to myself I look like a whale in the mirror, but when

I happened to barge in on my sister, I realized she looks great nude.

[Guest guest]

Hi Heidi,

thanks for the post; very well put.

I'm not a fashion gal, and I'm not terribly vain; my hair is rather

plain, i wear no makeup, no manicures, jewelry, etc. I'm just a simple

'leftover hippie' with a weight problem.

it's not so much what i look like (hey, my dh actually tells me I'm

beautiful...) it's really how i FEEL. and I'm uncomfortable being this

big. and my feet hurt all the time!

thanks for understanding, Heidi.

laura

I think there is a fine line between " I hate being this way " and " I hate

being me " ...