Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Searched adenovirus at google after Heidi brought up the gluten/viral relationship. Dangerous Grains pg. 175 has adenovirus 12 antibodies much more common in CD. This pediatric page <http://www.drgreene.com/21_1020.html>http://www.drgreene.com/21_1020.html has many implications. Haven't or maybe don't want to sort out as to best or worst case effect. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 >Searched adenovirus at google after Heidi brought up the gluten/viral >relationship. Dangerous Grains pg. 175 has adenovirus 12 antibodies much more >common in CD. This pediatric page ><<http://www.drgreene.com/21_1020.html>http://www.drgreene.com/21_1020.html>htt\ p://www.drgreene.com/21_1020.html has >many implications. Haven't or maybe don't want to sort out as to best or worst >case effect. > >Wanita I'm not sure the viral connection changes much except in a theoretical sense ... the debate for scientists is " Why does the gut create antigliadin antibodies? " and there seem to be two camps: one is that the body just doesn't like gliadin, and the other is that gliadin just happens to look like a virus (or Candida). Which is interesting from a theoretical point of view, but doesn't change one's life much. UNLESS it is also true that some people cross-react with Candida, in which case a person could have a " candida allergy " reaction, which would be interesting (kind of like some dogs get allergic to fleas: fleas are never good to have, but being allergic to them is worse). -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 In a message dated 7/21/03 2:01:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, heidis@... writes: > I'm not sure the viral connection changes much except in a theoretical > sense ... > the debate for scientists is " Why does the gut create antigliadin > antibodies? " and > there seem to be two camps: one is that the body just doesn't like gliadin, > and the > other is that gliadin just happens to look like a virus (or Candida). Which > is interesting from a theoretical point of view, but doesn't change one's > life much. If that were the case, and gliaden also " looks " like quite a few organs, why does the body need the gliaden reaction to begin attacking the organs if the organs themselves look so much like viruses? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 >If that were the case, and gliaden also " looks " like quite a few organs, why >does the body need the gliaden reaction to begin attacking the organs if the >organs themselves look so much like viruses? > >Chris Good question! I don't think science really understands the immune system -- or why gluten intolerance triggers a cascade of antibodies into the system. The studies DO indicate that the antibodies stop being produced after gliadin is taken out of the diet. Maybe gliadin is just a kind of a toxin that aggravates the daylights out of the immune system in some people. Lectins have weird effects -- ricin is a lectin and one of the most toxic poisons in existence. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 In a message dated 7/22/03 6:08:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, heidis@... writes: > Good question! I don't think science really understands the immune > system -- or why gluten intolerance triggers a cascade of > antibodies into the system. The studies DO indicate that > the antibodies stop being produced after gliadin is taken > out of the diet. Maybe gliadin is just a kind of a toxin that > aggravates the daylights out of the immune system in > some people. Lectins have weird effects -- ricin is a lectin > and one of the most toxic poisons in existence. I also wonder if this is just a system going haywire. Allergies are sometimes specific, but not always. Take things like eczema and asthma-- they are essentially allergic reactions but they don't really need an allergen to be provoked. But they're so allergic-like they really blur the distinction between allergy and non-allergy, and it seems in either it's a system gone haywire, and sometimes it just happens to look a little more logical. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 >I also wonder if this is just a system going haywire. Allergies are >sometimes specific, but not always. Take things like eczema and asthma-- they are >essentially allergic reactions but they don't really need an allergen to be >provoked. But they're so allergic-like they really blur the distinction between >allergy and non-allergy, and it seems in either it's a system gone haywire, and >sometimes it just happens to look a little more logical. > >Chris It could be -- certainly people seem to get allergic to EVERYTHING suddenly. No one is real sure of the cause though. Some allergies come and go too. The ones that are highly genetically connected (esp. to the HLA genes) seem to be more permanent, and the LACK of those genes in people who have eaten that particular food for thousands of years is rather suggestive. There hare lots of different kinds of immune reactions though, and the scientists are just getting started. I think it was in the 1920's or so that it was though allergies were mostly psychological. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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