Re: Re: Weight gain- Milk, butter,cream and eggs

[Guest guest]

Vee,

My milk, butter, cream, egg, creme fraiche, and cheese eating varies greatly

from day to day. Often I will have 1 c. kefir, 2 c. milk, 1/2 c. cream, 2-3

Tablespoons of butter, a few ounces of cheese, and 1-2 eggs daily. Sometimes

less, sometimes a lot more depending on the day. Almost all my dairy is raw.

Eggs are eaten raw in egg nog or smoothies or scrambled in coco oil or bacon

fat. yum.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/17/03 2:54:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rnd4me@...

writes:

> i recently started drinking " egg nog " -raw milk, raw eggs, vanilla extract,

>

> little maple syrup- for breakfast. the first few times i drank it i did get

> a

> funny, buzz feeling and then drowsy. but it passed w/in minutes and now i

> don't

> even notice it. i must have built up a tolerance :-)

sounds more like a blood sugar crash from the maple syrup than a raw egg

buzz...

chris

[Guest guest]

It might not be the maple syrup. I always crashed after eating my morning

ice cream: raw cream, raw egg and frozen raspberries. I doubt it is the

sugar in the raspberries. They don't normally make me crash. I finally quit

eating it although i love it.

Irene

At 08:47 PM 7/18/03, you wrote:

> >

> > sounds more like a blood sugar crash from the maple syrup than a

>raw egg

> > buzz...

> >

> > chris

> >

> >

>really? i didn't think i was using that much maple syrup. though i am

>new to this and still naive. i've been using 1/8 cup maple syrup w/ 3

>cups milk and 3-4 eggs. this is split between 3 people. actually, the

>first day i made the nog i used even less maple syrup and still had a

>reaction, but i don't get it anymore. maybe my body was going into

>shock, its not used to breakfast.

>thanks for you feedback!

>beverly

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Beverly,

There's natural sugar in the milk too. No, that's not a lot of maple syrup.

But everybody's metabolism is different. I don't *know* that it's the sugar,

but sugar is generally the one thing that gives you a high and then makes you

crash. (Aside from, oh, cocaine I guess ;-) ). I personally don't get a high

from sugar, I just get a crash.

So for *you* maybe with the milk sugar together with the small amount of

maple syrup it is enough. I personally would crash from the drink, because I

crash from anything with starch or sugar without extra fat added, and the fat in

milk isn't enough. For example, a week or two ago I had kefir and chicken-rice

soup for lunch. I crashed big time about 20 minutes later. the soup didn't

have much fat to speak of, and the kefir was made with just milk. If the

kefir was half cream, I probably would have been fine.

Chris

In a message dated 7/18/03 11:48:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rnd4me@...

writes:

> really? i didn't think i was using that much maple syrup. though i am

> new to this and still naive. i've been using 1/8 cup maple syrup w/ 3

> cups milk and 3-4 eggs. this is split between 3 people. actually, the

> first day i made the nog i used even less maple syrup and still had a

> reaction, but i don't get it anymore. maybe my body was going into

> shock, its not used to breakfast.

> thanks for you feedback!

" To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are

to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and

servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore

Roosevelt

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/19/03 6:01:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

heidis@... writes:

> For some people, milk produces opioids too. So it might REALLY

> be like cocaine ... egg yolks could have the same effect, if you

> reacted to them or didn't digest them correctly, though I

> think it is usually the egg *white* that causes problems.

>

Hmm... I wonder how this fits in to the possibility that animals and

pre-modern humans ate raw egg yolks and left the white as scrap. Maybe eating

egg

whites are just one more thing we haven't had time to evolve too.

Chris

[Guest guest]

>There's natural sugar in the milk too. No, that's not a lot of maple syrup.

>But everybody's metabolism is different. I don't *know* that it's the sugar,

>but sugar is generally the one thing that gives you a high and then makes you

>crash. (Aside from, oh, cocaine I guess ;-) ).

For some people, milk produces opioids too. So it might REALLY

be like cocaine ... egg yolks could have the same effect, if you

reacted to them or didn't digest them correctly, though I

think it is usually the egg *white* that causes problems.

-- Heidi

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In a message dated 7/19/03 7:18:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

heidis@... writes:

> I often wonder. If you were living out in the woods, there sure are not a

> lot

> of eggs around all the time ... they are seasonal and kind of rare, and

> small

> unless there are ostriches around. Egg white is very high quality protein,

> but very allergenic to a lot of people. The Koreans and Japanese seem

> to eat a lot of egg yolks, but I haven't seen much use for whites (except

> in omlettes).

And if you don't have a frying pan you are not going to roast them over a

spit. And if you're going to eat them raw, you'd probably throw out the yolks

since they taste and feel rather nasty (to most people anyway).

Chris

[Guest guest]

>Hmm... I wonder how this fits in to the possibility that animals and

>pre-modern humans ate raw egg yolks and left the white as scrap. Maybe eating

egg

>whites are just one more thing we haven't had time to evolve too.

>

>Chris

I often wonder. If you were living out in the woods, there sure are not a lot

of eggs around all the time ... they are seasonal and kind of rare, and small

unless there are ostriches around. Egg white is very high quality protein,

but very allergenic to a lot of people. The Koreans and Japanese seem

to eat a lot of egg yolks, but I haven't seen much use for whites (except

in omlettes).

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>And if you don't have a frying pan you are not going to roast them over a

>spit. And if you're going to eat them raw, you'd probably throw out the yolks

>since they taste and feel rather nasty (to most people anyway).

>

>Chris

Seems that boiling was a popular cooking method though -- I saw

a neat special where a bunch of folks were boiling caribou in

a carabou skin stretched over a fire. So you could have hard boiled

eggs ...

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/20/03 3:24:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

heidis@... writes:

> Seems that boiling was a popular cooking method though -- I saw

> a neat special where a bunch of folks were boiling caribou in

> a carabou skin stretched over a fire. So you could have hard boiled

> eggs ...

>

That's true, but I know more people, including myself, who don't like hard

boiled eggs than do. I'd imagine anyone accustomed to eating lots of raw foods

and real foods would probably prefer a raw egg yolk over a hard boiled egg. I

know this isn't scientific at all, but I just think pre-historic people would

probably prefer it raw.

Chris

[Guest guest]

>That's true, but I know more people, including myself, who don't like hard

>boiled eggs than do. I'd imagine anyone accustomed to eating lots of raw foods

>and real foods would probably prefer a raw egg yolk over a hard boiled egg. I

>know this isn't scientific at all, but I just think pre-historic people would

>probably prefer it raw.

>

>Chris

I'd tend to agree, actually. Cooking is a pain in the wilderness anyway,

certainly too much work for the spare egg or two ...

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

lately I've been experiencing this type of crash after consuming creme fraiche

[40% fat] and raw double [heavy] cream [48% fat I think].. don't know what to

make of it... the above are occasional treats as I eat very little dairy... in

the past these crashes used to come after eating a carb rich meal so no surprise

there... called them 'my semi-coma- crash', they'd last 15-20 minutes but

now...??? this is happening with high-fat cream!?

.... my current nutritional puzzle...

Dedy

Re: Re: Weight gain- Milk, butter,cream and eggs

Beverly,

There's natural sugar in the milk too. No, that's not a lot of maple syrup.

But everybody's metabolism is different. I don't *know* that it's the sugar,

but sugar is generally the one thing that gives you a high and then makes you

crash. (Aside from, oh, cocaine I guess ;-) ). I personally don't get a high

from sugar, I just get a crash.

So for *you* maybe with the milk sugar together with the small amount of

maple syrup it is enough. I personally would crash from the drink, because I

crash from anything with starch or sugar without extra fat added, and the fat

in

milk isn't enough. For example, a week or two ago I had kefir and

chicken-rice

soup for lunch. I crashed big time about 20 minutes later. the soup didn't

have much fat to speak of, and the kefir was made with just milk. If the

kefir was half cream, I probably would have been fine.

Chris

In a message dated 7/18/03 11:48:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rnd4me@...

writes:

> really? i didn't think i was using that much maple syrup. though i am

> new to this and still naive. i've been using 1/8 cup maple syrup w/ 3

> cups milk and 3-4 eggs. this is split between 3 people. actually, the

> first day i made the nog i used even less maple syrup and still had a

> reaction, but i don't get it anymore. maybe my body was going into

> shock, its not used to breakfast.

> thanks for you feedback!

" To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are

to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and

servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore

Roosevelt

[Guest guest]

<< Dedy

What have you been eating with the creme fraiche and cream?

Jo >>

Strawberries with the double cream and I can't remember what I had with the

creme fraiche... both were consumed at the end of the meal...

Dedy

[Guest guest]

Dedy,

>Strawberries with the double cream and I can't remember what I had with the

creme fraiche... both were consumed at the end of the meal...

Wild guess, food combining. Dairy with meat in meal, vegetables in meal with

fruit (different enzymes needed) and/or combined carbs of dairy and fruit

possibilities. Crazy sometimes how reactions come out of the blue. Like

there's

some kind of little malfunction you had no clue was going on.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

>Dedy,

>

>Could be the fruit making you bloat, not the cream. I steer clear of

>fruit when I can, even though I love it. Love cream as well, but

>can't eat dairy :-(

>

>Jo

Roman posted a good link on that the other day, BTW. I'd guess

it depends how much fruit you eat ... personally I love blueberries,

but they are pretty low in sugars.

http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/71/81164.htm

I also wonder if this is a case where Suzanne Sommers might

be right --- when you eat fruit mixed with cream, the cream

coats the fruit, so the fructose doesn't get digested

right away (which it might, if you ate just the fruit

by itself -- as pointed out, fructose normally

absorbs quickly). If fructose makes it to the lower

intestine, it can cause bloating and gas (I kind

of wonder if this is more of a problem if you

don't have good probiotic drinks in your life though).

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Jo,

bloating is not a problem... I just go into a semi-comatose state.. looks like

I'm asleep but am not... it's as if all my energy has been sapped away.. after

about 15-20 minutes I recover as if nothing has happened... I suspect it's a

reaction to cow's milk as it doesn't seem to happen when I eat goat's or sheep's

milk products... thing is it doesn't always happen... go figure! [i certainly

haven't yet!]

Dedy

Re: Weight gain- Milk, butter,cream and eggs

Dedy,

Could be the fruit making you bloat, not the cream. I steer clear of fruit

when I can, even though I love it. Love cream as well, but can't eat dairy :-(

Jo

[Guest guest]

Jo,

strawberries on their own are fine... never had a problem... cream on it's own

will do it but not always which is why it puzzles me.. no fruit on it's own ever

gave me problems yet after some meals [small or large] I get this semi-coma

'thing' happening.... I know Heidi would advise to keep a food diary... haven't

mustered the discipline to do it [yet!]

Dedy

Re: Weight gain- Milk, butter,cream and eggs

> Jo,

> bloating is not a problem... I just go into a semi-comatose state..

looks like I'm asleep but am not... it's as if all my energy has been

sapped away.. after about 15-20 minutes I recover as if nothing has

happened... I suspect it's a reaction to cow's milk as it doesn't

seem to happen when I eat goat's or sheep's milk products... thing is

it doesn't always happen... go figure! [i certainly haven't yet!]

>

Dedy

Are you sure it's not a reaction to the fruit? What it you eat

strawbs on their own or the cream on it's own?

Jo

[Guest guest]

>Jo,

>strawberries on their own are fine... never had a problem... cream on it's own

will do it but not always which is why it puzzles me.. no fruit on it's own ever

gave me problems yet after some meals [small or large] I get this semi-coma

'thing' happening.... I know Heidi would advise to keep a food diary... haven't

mustered the discipline to do it [yet!]

>

>Dedy

He he -- yeah, I would. Actually " mental problems " due to milk are pretty

common, but

I don't know why exactly. I get spacy the day after I eat too much milk or

cream,

and often get a migraine. Some people attribute this to opioids, and autistic

kids seem to have it the worst. May be just pastuerized products, or just

cow milk. Kefir-fermented milk is decidedly better though, and personally

I don't seem to have issues with butter.

-- Heidi

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