Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Hey Rod, The Oxford Handbook of Public Health Practice and the Oxford Occupational Medicine have really good 'how to' practical chapters for risk assessment - very easy to follow and very helpful from the UK point-of-view. They may even be available online ... Good luck with the work and god bless the Veterans, those who still serve and all of the fallen. Quinn cuinne@... johnmquinnv@... +420 608 246 032 Czech mobile +491719262759 mobile +1 630 747 9081 voicemail FAX: +1 (917) 591-9686 Risk Assessment help? Hi Guys, hope this finds you all well! Do any of you have a copy of a risk assessment for the use of an AED in the workplace? I am hoping to get some ideas from a British prospective. I have been asked to review a RA for a company and would like to see if there are things I should be thinking about other than the usual AED operator safety things. It the one I am reviewing looks good to me but I wanted to make sure I am not missing anything. This RA is for an industrial/work environment. Many thanks for your time Rod I am proud to support The Poppy Appeal Click here to get your PoppE and support the Poppy Appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Hello Rod, in the past I have had to use these in and around aircraft and things to consider are- any explosive fuels/vapours around enclosed spaces such as wells/pits/sumps. Electric fuses/detonators/circuits that may be affected by RF hazard. Wet/metal flooring. Delecate electrical circuitry in and around the work areas. Vehicle electrical earthing. excessive vibration around work areas may affect the patient/AED. I am sure there are many more to consider but all enviroments present their own hazards. Roy From: treetop_bay@... Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:14:09 +0000 Subject: Risk Assessment help? Hi Rod, I always seem to consider the hazards (or not) of using these on the wet metal deck of a rig or ship...but no-one can give a definitive answer..? P. From: Rod Eglin <rod.eglin@...> Subject: Risk Assessment help? Date: Friday, 12 November, 2010, 23:01 Hi Guys, hope this finds you all well! Do any of you have a copy of a risk assessment for the use of an AED in the workplace? I am hoping to get some ideas from a British prospective. I have been asked to review a RA for a company and would like to see if there are things I should be thinking about other than the usual AED operator safety things. It the one I am reviewing looks good to me but I wanted to make sure I am not missing anything. This RA is for an industrial/work environment. Many thanks for your time Rod I am proud to support The Poppy Appeal Click here to get your PoppE and support the Poppy Appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Guys ! Guys ! ! ! K I S S Keep it simple By all mean mention to flammable zone risk (Contrindications) But Metal floors Wet floors Wet grass Light rain HAVE NO BARRING on safety (No reported untoward events, all research point to safe operation) And may only sertve to delay and confuse defibrillation As for EM interference Remain a theoretical possibility It would be a rare and unlikely event Comon practice is to advise operators (pilots) That you will defibrillate ant to monitor there instruments for any sudden changes It would be very bad to transfer our unproven THEORETICAL anx... When we should be conteracting the students own irrational fears with just bold facts ________________________________ From: roy hayes <royhayes_998@...> Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 9:22:00 AM Subject: RE: Risk Assessment help? Hello Rod, in the past I have had to use these in and around aircraft and things to consider are- any explosive fuels/vapours around enclosed spaces such as wells/pits/sumps. Electric fuses/detonators/circuits that may be affected by RF hazard. Wet/metal flooring. Delecate electrical circuitry in and around the work areas. Vehicle electrical earthing. excessive vibration around work areas may affect the patient/AED. I am sure there are many more to consider but all enviroments present their own hazards. Roy From: treetop_bay@... Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:14:09 +0000 Subject: Risk Assessment help? Hi Rod, I always seem to consider the hazards (or not) of using these on the wet metal deck of a rig or ship...but no-one can give a definitive answer..? P. From: Rod Eglin <rod.eglin@...> Subject: Risk Assessment help? Date: Friday, 12 November, 2010, 23:01 Hi Guys, hope this finds you all well! Do any of you have a copy of a risk assessment for the use of an AED in the workplace? I am hoping to get some ideas from a British prospective. I have been asked to review a RA for a company and would like to see if there are things I should be thinking about other than the usual AED operator safety things. It the one I am reviewing looks good to me but I wanted to make sure I am not missing anything. This RA is for an industrial/work environment. Many thanks for your time Rod I am proud to support The Poppy Appeal Click here to get your PoppE and support the Poppy Appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 ________________________________ From: peter mitchell <treetop_bay@...> Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 5:14:09 AM Subject: Risk Assessment help? Hi Rod, I always seem to consider the hazards (or not) of using these on the wet metal deck of a rig or ship...but no-one can give a definitive answer..? P. From: Rod Eglin <rod.eglin@...> Subject: Risk Assessment help? Date: Friday, 12 November, 2010, 23:01 Hi Guys, hope this finds you all well! Do any of you have a copy of a risk assessment for the use of an AED in the workplace? I am hoping to get some ideas from a British prospective. I have been asked to review a RA for a company and would like to see if there are things I should be thinking about other than the usual AED operator safety things. It the one I am reviewing looks good to me but I wanted to make sure I am not missing anything. This RA is for an industrial/work environment. Many thanks for your time Rod I am proud to support The Poppy Appeal Click here to get your PoppE and support the Poppy Appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 > I always seem to consider the hazards (or not) of using these on the wet metal > deck of a rig or ship...but no-one can give a definitive answer..? The answer varies with manufacturer. Some present that hazard and some don't. With the Philips, it's not a concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 Not my rules-they belong to the RAF I didn't make them just had to work with them! Roy From: c_brault@... Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:18:26 -0800 Subject: Re: Risk Assessment help? Guys ! Guys ! ! ! K I S S Keep it simple By all mean mention to flammable zone risk (Contrindications) But Metal floors Wet floors Wet grass Light rain HAVE NO BARRING on safety (No reported untoward events, all research point to safe operation) And may only sertve to delay and confuse defibrillation As for EM interference Remain a theoretical possibility It would be a rare and unlikely event Comon practice is to advise operators (pilots) That you will defibrillate ant to monitor there instruments for any sudden changes It would be very bad to transfer our unproven THEORETICAL anx... When we should be conteracting the students own irrational fears with just bold facts ________________________________ From: roy hayes <royhayes_998@...> Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 9:22:00 AM Subject: RE: Risk Assessment help? Hello Rod, in the past I have had to use these in and around aircraft and things to consider are- any explosive fuels/vapours around enclosed spaces such as wells/pits/sumps. Electric fuses/detonators/circuits that may be affected by RF hazard. Wet/metal flooring. Delecate electrical circuitry in and around the work areas. Vehicle electrical earthing. excessive vibration around work areas may affect the patient/AED. I am sure there are many more to consider but all enviroments present their own hazards. Roy From: treetop_bay@... Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:14:09 +0000 Subject: Risk Assessment help? Hi Rod, I always seem to consider the hazards (or not) of using these on the wet metal deck of a rig or ship...but no-one can give a definitive answer..? P. From: Rod Eglin <rod.eglin@...> Subject: Risk Assessment help? Date: Friday, 12 November, 2010, 23:01 Hi Guys, hope this finds you all well! Do any of you have a copy of a risk assessment for the use of an AED in the workplace? I am hoping to get some ideas from a British prospective. I have been asked to review a RA for a company and would like to see if there are things I should be thinking about other than the usual AED operator safety things. It the one I am reviewing looks good to me but I wanted to make sure I am not missing anything. This RA is for an industrial/work environment. Many thanks for your time Rod I am proud to support The Poppy Appeal Click here to get your PoppE and support the Poppy Appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 ________________________________ From: " rob.davis@... " <rob.davis@...> Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 6:04:14 PM Subject: Re: Risk Assessment help? > I always seem to consider the hazards (or not) of using these on the wet metal > deck of a rig or ship...but no-one can give a definitive answer..? The answer varies with manufacturer. Some present that hazard and some don't. With the Philips, it's not a concern. ******************** The D-Fib current is a closed loop system The electricity does not want to go to the " EARTH " But back into the machine to complete the circuit The machines are highly insulated The pads if carefully placed (not a given with first-aiders and hairy chest Pts))* Are well insulated (recent research was testing D-Fib WITH CPR) Very low leakage rate (most were not felt by the chest compressor) *With traditional paddles or improperly placed pads You will have current leakage between the 2 pads (wet chest) Which is worse for the Pt than the defibrilator The teaching instances concern of secondary healt care accidental secondary schock Was always over-emphasised in relation to the science Probably for pedagogical reasons,nlow level of science and Because of the " Primun non Nocere " If that is what you have to teach Then that's fine But amonsgt ourselves or teaching higher level personnel We certainly Safely Approach the truth about this Doing audits I have rarely found a full AED kit 2 BAtt, 2 Pads (Unexpired UNOPENED), and a RAZOR Most of them have not been upfated to the new standards (2005) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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