Opinions

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that Ricky, that Premier Inn does very good deals all over the

place...

 

P.

From: Ricky Nightingale <ricky@...>

Subject: Re: Opinions

Date: Thursday, 7 April, 2011, 7:50

 

,

Course is good pitched at just about the right level, the course is taught

in Weatherfords training centre or was, instructors are working offshore

medics so discussions are realistic not idealistic theres a premier inn

about 2 miles away.

Regards

Ricky.

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Hello again,

I just wanted to ask for some info on medics courses that are held by

ABERMED in Scotland as to their value and if it is expensive to stay in

Aberdeen while doing the course they offer.

Thanks

P

[Guest guest]

Good day all,

 

I wanted to ask what people feel about resident remote medics being asked to do

Drug & Alcohol tests on the people they work with ?

 

Personally I am uncomfortable with the idea as the consequences for someone you

know and probably like can be disasterous and resulting in the medic concerned

being rejected by others of those he works with for being the reason their

friend has got into trouble...

 

I think you all know what I mean because as part of a team you should have their

trust and D/A tests should be done by someone outside that team and with the

medic also being  tested as part of the group.

 

I think it could also lead to a loss of faith in the confidentialy offerred by a

medic in that others may feel that he/she (medic) might also now be passing on

other private details to the company so the sick parade drops off and trust is

gone.

 

I feel folks in MJR's position of having to check on Malarone medication

compliance may be slightly different than drugs and alcohol.

 

So has anyone got a policy on this or is it something understood that resident

medics don't do it or what?

 

Cheers

 

P

 

 

[Guest guest]

Brother , you have to do what is right.  On drug/ETOH screens one has to

do what is expected of us.  It is up to the companies management etc to deal

with a positive. Our job is to make a safe environment for all. Remember

everyone who does come up positive on a UA screen knows the consequences if they

come up positive.

But remember as I have found out doing what is right and morale is sometimes

hard to do..Trust me for being a pt advocate and speaking out on such has gotten

me blacklisted and trashed by numerous companies out there. As a RN albeit

advanced practice as a RN FNP I took an oath to do what is right. I have

suffered the consequences too. 

The contract industry is cutthroat sometimes. Remember always we still are the

good guys

Your brother medical warrior

Mike<><

PS What is interesting I never had to deal with " The Dark Side " when I wore a

uniform for Uncle Sam in the US Army of 23 yrs from a private to a Major

Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional.

 

Medical Traveling Soldier of Fortune Conventional and Tactical Medical Support

 

Mike " Major Dad " Reisman Maj-Ret RN CS FNP

 

" Every strike brings me closer to the next home run. "

--Babe Ruth,

American baseball player

 

From: peter mitchell <treetop_bay@...>

Subject: Opinions

Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2011, 7:19 PM

 

Good day all,

 

I wanted to ask what people feel about resident remote medics being asked to do

Drug & Alcohol tests on the people they work with ?

 

Personally I am uncomfortable with the idea as the consequences for someone you

know and probably like can be disasterous and resulting in the medic concerned

being rejected by others of those he works with for being the reason their

friend has got into trouble...

 

I think you all know what I mean because as part of a team you should have

their trust and D/A tests should be done by someone outside that team and

with the medic also being  tested as part of the group.

 

I think it could also lead to a loss of faith in the confidentialy offerred by a

medic in that others may feel that he/she (medic) might also now be passing on

other private details to the company so the sick parade drops off and trust is

gone.

 

I feel folks in MJR's position of having to check on Malarone medication

compliance may be slightly different than drugs and alcohol.

 

So has anyone got a policy on this or is it something understood that resident

medics don't do it or what?

 

Cheers

 

P

 

 

[Guest guest]

,

I worked in Russia for a good number of years and did regular drug and

alcohol screenings, almost on a daily basis. The people you are testing

know that this is a policy that could be carried out and you are there

only doing your job. If you come across and positive readings or non

negative results as they like to call them, then it is unfortunate but,

they know the tests are there in place and they only have themselves to

blame if they do a positive test.

The old addage goes, play with fire you get burnt. No need for any

guilt or alienation when everybody knows that you are only doing the

job you are tasked with.

Regards,

Geoff

Opinions

Good day all,

 

I wanted to ask what people feel about resident remote medics

being asked to do Drug & Alcohol tests on the people they work with ?

 

Personally I am uncomfortable with the idea as the consequences for

someone you know and probably like can be disasterous and resulting in

the medic concerned being rejected by others of those he works with for

being the reason their friend has got into trouble...

 

I think you all know what I mean because as part of a team you should

have their trust and D/A tests should be done by someone outside

that team and with the medic also being  tested as part of the group.

 

I think it could also lead to a loss of faith in the confidentialy

offerred by a medic in that others may feel that he/she (medic) might

also now be passing on other private details to the company so the sick

parade drops off and trust is gone.

 

I feel folks in MJR's position of having to check on Malarone

medication compliance may be slightly different than drugs and alcohol.

 

So has anyone got a policy on this or is it something understood that

resident medics don't do it or what?

 

Cheers

 

P

 

 

[Guest guest]

The HSE office should be responsible for the testing and the Safety Officer

should be the one doing the testing, or a third party for that office.

If you work in a setting that is Safety Officer/Medic then tag you are it.

Dan Dittfurth

TO05 Iraq

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of peter mitchell

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:20 AM

Subject: Opinions

Good day all,

I wanted to ask what people feel about resident remote medics being asked to

do Drug & Alcohol tests on the people they work with ?

Personally I am uncomfortable with the idea as the consequences for someone

you know and probably like can be disasterous and resulting in the medic

concerned being rejected by others of those he works with for being the

reason their friend has got into trouble...

I think you all know what I mean because as part of a team you should have

their trust and D/A tests should be done by someone outside that team and

with the medic also being tested as part of the group.

I think it could also lead to a loss of faith in the confidentialy offerred

by a medic in that others may feel that he/she (medic) might also now be

passing on other private details to the company so the sick parade drops off

and trust is gone.

I feel folks in MJR's position of having to check on Malarone medication

compliance may be slightly different than drugs and alcohol.

So has anyone got a policy on this or is it something understood that

resident medics don't do it or what?

Cheers

P

[Guest guest]

It's an unfortunate truth that anything involving blood or urine (and breath by

proxy) falls squarely on the shoulders of the medic. We are seen as the only

resource qualified to deal in such substances. There is also the fact that, as

you have rightly noted, we are not considered " the cops " . Therefore if our

objective analysis confirms a subjective suspicion, no one will question the

conclusion.

Our position as the impartial advocate is therefore intentionally employed,

which does indeed suck.

However, I have administered many an alcotest and requested many a warm cup of

urine and I honestly don't think anyone ever resented me for it.

Cheers!

Guy

From: thomas greaber <tom5255@...>

Subject: RE: Opinions

" remote " < >

Date: Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 1:36 AM

Hi All

While never comfortable doing the rapid Drug tests and breathalyzers. mainly

because I dont want to be viewed " as the police " it just comes with the job. 99

% of the people I have dealt with understand this and dont hold it against me.

As for D & A tests we send out no problems for me. Since I am feeling a bit

bitchy today I will let loose with a unpopular semi insulting opinion.

This subject comes up on the list every so often and we go done the same road,

GET OVER IT! if you like your job and want to keep it then do the bloody tests!

Seems that people complaining about this have too much time on thier hands and

(this is the part that is going to get  me yelled at) work in the Northsea!

again just get on with it and stop moaning!

Ok bitch rant done please feel free to yell at me and throw things

Cheers

Tom G

From: treetop_bay@...

Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 03:19:59 +0100

Subject: Opinions

 

   

     

     

      Good day all,

I wanted to ask what people feel about resident remote medics being asked to do

Drug & Alcohol tests on the people they work with ?

Personally I am uncomfortable with the idea as the consequences for someone you

know and probably like can be disasterous and resulting in the medic concerned

being rejected by others of those he works with for being the reason their

friend has got into trouble...

I think you all know what I mean because as part of a team you should have their

trust and D/A tests should be done by someone outside that team and with the

medic also being  tested as part of the group.

I think it could also lead to a loss of faith in the confidentialy offerred by a

medic in that others may feel that he/she (medic) might also now be passing on

other private details to the company so the sick parade drops off and trust is

gone.

I feel folks in MJR's position of having to check on Malarone medication

compliance may be slightly different than drugs and alcohol.

So has anyone got a policy on this or is it something understood that resident

medics don't do it or what?

Cheers

P

[Guest guest]

Agree fully, if it is your job do it with professionalism and the guys will

respect you for it.

Opinions

Good day all,

I wanted to ask what people feel about resident remote medics being asked to

do Drug & Alcohol tests on the people they work with ?

Personally I am uncomfortable with the idea as the consequences for someone

you know and probably like can be disasterous and resulting in the medic

concerned being rejected by others of those he works with for being the

reason their friend has got into trouble...

I think you all know what I mean because as part of a team you should have

their trust and D/A tests should be done by someone outside that team and

with the medic also being tested as part of the group.

I think it could also lead to a loss of faith in the confidentialy offerred

by a medic in that others may feel that he/she (medic) might also now be

passing on other private details to the company so the sick parade drops off

and trust is gone.

I feel folks in MJR's position of having to check on Malarone medication

compliance may be slightly different than drugs and alcohol.

So has anyone got a policy on this or is it something understood that

resident medics don't do it or what?

Cheers

P

[Guest guest]

I personally don't have a problem with D & amp;A testing. The company should have

a D & amp;A policy, which most likely should be covered withing the employment

contract. The policy is usually there for the protection of the remaining

workforce, do the test, pass the results to management. Medic involvement should

end there.I'd be a lot more uncomfortable letting someone I suspected of being

under the influence out onto a worksite where they could harm themselves or

worse still harm others by their actions whilst under the influence just because

the didn't have the will power to refuse that last pint.As someone rightly

pointed out, the employees know the score, the old adage commit the crime do the

time applies. I'm not adverse to a few beers myself but if I'm not fit for work

I don't turn in. Simples.----- Original Message -----From: & quot;Guy & quot;

>;guyser1975@...

[Guest guest]

Guys,

As with a lot of these discussions everyone is right to an extent.

1. I don't like doing them (d & A) as it smacks of " Police Work " (similar to

)

2. I probably do more than most as the intetity that I work for insists on on

after every vehicle accident no matter what the issue or how small - cranes -

parked vechicles etc etc.................

3. I try to make the process as humane as possible and the word is out there

(unofficially) that if someone has over indulged that is better to come to the

clinic and have a " gastroenteritis day " than be sent for D & A for " reasonable

suspicion " (applies to all and not just Brits) . Of course if someone makes a

habit of it then thats a different kettle of fish.

4. Recently had an issue where an individual(company employee) developed a

severe alcohol issue ( 7- 8 bottles of spirit a week) with the usual issues

absenteeism, irratic behaviour etc. It was being ignored by fellw workers but

was going to end up in a situation that would lead to D & A screening and

dismissal. Management were engaged unofficially and the individual was invited

to take councelling and therefore the guy remained employed by the company. It

is sometimes better to take the bull by the horns and address the issue than to

let it slide if you thing there is a problem. There is of course always the risk

that as a " contractor " one might get " black balled " for bringing into the light

something people would prefer to ignore, fortunately in this case it did not

happen.

4. The other side of the coin is that if someone brazenly walks in to the clinic

for a medical induction and is 4 sheets to the wind and expects to get on a

chopper offshoe in an hour,and refuses to accept the afore mentioned " day " then

they bring it on themselves.

Safety of the individual and other work mates is paramount so I will never

ignore an individual in the workplace who is under the weather.I will offer the

opportunity to take a " sick day " but if it is refused it is just his (or her)

tough cheese.

So guys I guess it is about developing a style that is at the same time humane

while not contravening the company policy

Regards

Mike

RE: Opinions

I personally don't have a problem with D & amp;A testing. The company should have

a D & amp;A policy, which most likely should be covered withing the employment

contract. The policy is usually there for the protection of the remaining

workforce, do the test, pass the results to management. Medic involvement should

end there.I'd be a lot more uncomfortable letting someone I suspected of being

under the influence out onto a worksite where they could harm themselves or

worse still harm others by their actions whilst under the influence just because

the didn't have the will power to refuse that last pint.As someone rightly

pointed out, the employees know the score, the old adage commit the crime do the

time applies. I'm not adverse to a few beers myself but if I'm not fit for work

I don't turn in. Simples.----- Original Message -----From: & quot;Guy & quot;

>;guyser1975@...

[Guest guest]

I agree totally Tom,

I have had to conduct random and for cause A & D testing on board vessel as well

as on shore.  If the guys want to keep their jobs that goes for the medic you

do what you have been tasked to do.

If they do not like it give them a cup of concrete and tell them to harden the

F & %$ up or try looking for a job some place else.

Mike

________________________________

From: Dittfurth <dditt@...>

Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011, 14:29

Subject: RE: Opinions

 

Agree fully, if it is your job do it with professionalism and the guys will

respect you for it.

Opinions

Good day all,

I wanted to ask what people feel about resident remote medics being asked to

do Drug & Alcohol tests on the people they work with ?

Personally I am uncomfortable with the idea as the consequences for someone

you know and probably like can be disasterous and resulting in the medic

concerned being rejected by others of those he works with for being the

reason their friend has got into trouble...

I think you all know what I mean because as part of a team you should have

their trust and D/A tests should be done by someone outside that team and

with the medic also being tested as part of the group.

I think it could also lead to a loss of faith in the confidentialy offerred

by a medic in that others may feel that he/she (medic) might also now be

passing on other private details to the company so the sick parade drops off

and trust is gone.

I feel folks in MJR's position of having to check on Malarone medication

compliance may be slightly different than drugs and alcohol.

So has anyone got a policy on this or is it something understood that

resident medics don't do it or what?

Cheers

P

[Guest guest]

I have been doing drug screens now for 8 years and even had a close friend in

Iraq fail a random test I gave, the one thing is " professionalism " . Treat each

person the same, make the test slow, careful, and methodical so that you don't

waver and give people the chance to say well he did this first then this.

Daugherty NREMT-P

Fluor Safety/ Medical

Camp Deh Dadi II, Afghan.

APO AE 09368

Remote Site Paramedic

Office: 864-421-6032

Cell 0093797128767

From: " mjriord@... " <mjriord@...>

Cc:

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:50 AM

Subject: RE: Opinions

 

Guys,

As with a lot of these discussions everyone is right to an extent.

1. I don't like doing them (d & A) as it smacks of " Police Work " (similar to

)

2. I probably do more than most as the intetity that I work for insists on on

after every vehicle accident no matter what the issue or how small - cranes -

parked vechicles etc etc.................

3. I try to make the process as humane as possible and the word is out there

(unofficially) that if someone has over indulged that is better to come to the

clinic and have a " gastroenteritis day " than be sent for D & A for " reasonable

suspicion " (applies to all and not just Brits) . Of course if someone makes a

habit of it then thats a different kettle of fish.

4. Recently had an issue where an individual(company employee) developed a

severe alcohol issue ( 7- 8 bottles of spirit a week) with the usual issues

absenteeism, irratic behaviour etc. It was being ignored by fellw workers but

was going to end up in a situation that would lead to D & A screening and

dismissal. Management were engaged unofficially and the individual was invited

to take councelling and therefore the guy remained employed by the company. It

is sometimes better to take the bull by the horns and address the issue than to

let it slide if you thing there is a problem. There is of course always the risk

that as a " contractor " one might get " black balled " for bringing into the light

something people would prefer to ignore, fortunately in this case it did not

happen.

4. The other side of the coin is that if someone brazenly walks in to the clinic

for a medical induction and is 4 sheets to the wind and expects to get on a

chopper offshoe in an hour,and refuses to accept the afore mentioned " day " then

they bring it on themselves.

Safety of the individual and other work mates is paramount so I will never

ignore an individual in the workplace who is under the weather.I will offer the

opportunity to take a " sick day " but if it is refused it is just his (or her)

tough cheese.

So guys I guess it is about developing a style that is at the same time humane

while not contravening the company policy

Regards

Mike

RE: Opinions

I personally don't have a problem with D & amp;A testing. The company should have

a D & amp;A policy, which most likely should be covered withing the employment

contract. The policy is usually there for the protection of the remaining

workforce, do the test, pass the results to management. Medic involvement should

end there.I'd be a lot more uncomfortable letting someone I suspected of being

under the influence out onto a worksite where they could harm themselves or

worse still harm others by their actions whilst under the influence just because

the didn't have the will power to refuse that last pint.As someone rightly

pointed out, the employees know the score, the old adage commit the crime do the

time applies. I'm not adverse to a few beers myself but if I'm not fit for work

I don't turn in. Simples.----- Original Message -----From: & quot;Guy & quot;

>;guyser1975@...