Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Capita, Abermed, Interdive, that other place in nottingham. ALS course? Hello Everyone, I'm an Off Shore medic. Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? Regards, Witty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Hi Witty I just did one in London, and it was excellent. Contact Elaine (below) for details. Elaine Gunson Patient at Risk and Resuscitation Services- Lead 2nd Floor Prospect House 88-110 New Oxford Street London WC1A 1HB T: 0207 759 3763. Internal 23763 E: elaine.gunson@... F: 0207 759 3751 From: witty204@... Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 09:54:13 +0000 Subject: ALS course? Hello Everyone, I'm an Off Shore medic. Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? Regards, Witty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Hi Witty, The Nottingham course is very good, i did it in March, you will come away with ALS, PHTLS as well as the normal Manual handling & Food safety. Ivan From: witty204@... Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 09:54:13 +0000 Subject: ALS course? Hello Everyone, I'm an Off Shore medic. Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? Regards, Witty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 That is not correct, Capita and Interdive dont do ALS, Capita do ALSS which is not the same and some employers dont recognise it. The places that I do know you can get it from are Nottingham (google offsshore med courses) and you can do an eACLS course through Frontier medical Mark ________________________________ From: " ianadams06@... " <ianadams06@...> Sent: Sat, 4 December, 2010 10:19:54 Subject: Re: ALS course? Â Capita, Abermed, Interdive, that other place in nottingham. ALS course? Hello Everyone, I'm an Off Shore medic. Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? Regards, Witty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Sorry i forgot to attach the contact details. Mr Garnham-Davies – Clinical Skills Centre Manager City 0115 993 4988 - ext 54988 john.garnham@... Mr Alsop – Clinical Skills Trainer City 0115 993 4988 - ext 54988 paul.alsop@... The next course is on 7th - 18th Feb 2011 http://www.nuh.nhs.uk/clinicalskills/EducationalCourses/Off-Shore/Default.aspx From: ivanward@... Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 10:36:24 +0000 Subject: RE: ALS course? Hi Witty, The Nottingham course is very good, i did it in March, you will come away with ALS, PHTLS as well as the normal Manual handling & Food safety. Ivan From: witty204@... Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 09:54:13 +0000 Subject: ALS course? Hello Everyone, I'm an Off Shore medic. Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? Regards, Witty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Hi Witty, I do mine at Bristol Uni (BRI) - A very well presented course.... I am going back in Jan 2011 for 3 re-qual.. (Qual is Valid for 4 years but refresher has to be done within 12 months + who I work for insistent on the full course 2 day course every 3 years...) Bristol have a few Paramedics & Offshore Medics loaded, so are well aware of there 'caliber' over the abundance of F2 Doctors on their courses... Website for all ALS courses directly from UK Resus Council, up to Nov 2011: http://www.resus.org.uk/pages/alsinfo.htm Enjoy Marti H > > Hello Everyone, > > I'm an Off Shore medic. > > Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? > > > Regards, > > Witty. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Hello Witty, Perhaps I misread your message, and certainly that is possible, but if you are not credentialed as some form of medical provider (1.e. Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT,) how is it that you are an offshore medic? That said, of the courses offered these days, others have already recommended Nottingham, which does have a very good reputation. Follow this link [http://bit.ly/dY3GE3] for their information, and please forgive me if I misinterpret your message. Donn On 12/4/10 3:54 AM, " witty204 " <witty204@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > I'm an Off Shore medic. > > Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried > require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? > > Regards, > > Witty. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 ________________________________ From: D E BARNES <donn@...> Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 10:08:45 AM Subject: Re: ALS course? Hello Witty, Perhaps I misread your message, and certainly that is possible, but if you are not credentialed as some form of medical provider (1.e. Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT,) how is it that you are an offshore medic? ********************* Hhhhmmmm if the UK resuscitation Council Judges your not sufficiently medialy competant To just take the ACLS course How can you be a Medic on a Rig ???? And how dare you call yourself a MEDIC On a medic list You better come up with some smart answer Or Just continue digging your hole And don't stop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 EMT's cannot do ALS courses in the UK, a substantial element of the ALS course is Drug protocol, advanced airway management (intubation not just igel or LMA) emt's therefore would not be licenced for these elements, ALS courses do NOT give you a licence to practice extended skills Dave Re: ALS course? Hello Witty, Perhaps I misread your message, and certainly that is possible, but if you are not credentialed as some form of medical provider (1.e. Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT,) how is it that you are an offshore medic? That said, of the courses offered these days, others have already recommended Nottingham, which does have a very good reputation. Follow this link [http://bit.ly/dY3GE3] for their information, and please forgive me if I misinterpret your message. Donn On 12/4/10 3:54 AM, " witty204 " <witty204@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > I'm an Off Shore medic. > > Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried > require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? > > Regards, > > Witty. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Correct! I concur ! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2010, at 12:09 PM, PARA999@... wrote: > EMT's cannot do ALS courses in the UK, a substantial element of the ALS > course is Drug protocol, advanced airway management (intubation not > just igel or LMA) emt's therefore would not be licenced for these > elements, ALS courses do NOT give you a licence to practice extended > skills > > Dave > > Re: ALS course? > > Hello Witty, > > Perhaps I misread your message, and certainly that is possible, but if > you > are not credentialed as some form of medical provider (1.e. > Doctor,nurse or > Paramedic/EMT,) how is it that you are an offshore medic? > > That said, of the courses offered these days, others have already > recommended Nottingham, which does have a very good reputation. Follow > this > link [http://bit.ly/dY3GE3] for their information, and please forgive > me if > I misinterpret your message. > > Donn > > On 12/4/10 3:54 AM, " witty204 " <witty204@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I'm an Off Shore medic. > > > > Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've > tried > > require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? > > > > Regards, > > > > Witty. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Took ACLS as an EMT in 1984 In Alberta ________________________________ From: " PARA999@... " <PARA999@...> Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 2:09:10 PM Subject: Re: ALS course? EMT's cannot do ALS courses in the UK, a substantial element of the ALS course is Drug protocol, advanced airway management (intubation not just igel or LMA) emt's therefore would not be licenced for these elements, ALS courses do NOT give you a licence to practice extended skills Dave Re: ALS course? Hello Witty, Perhaps I misread your message, and certainly that is possible, but if you are not credentialed as some form of medical provider (1.e. Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT,) how is it that you are an offshore medic? That said, of the courses offered these days, others have already recommended Nottingham, which does have a very good reputation. Follow this link [http://bit.ly/dY3GE3] for their information, and please forgive me if I misinterpret your message. Donn On 12/4/10 3:54 AM, " witty204 " <witty204@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > I'm an Off Shore medic. > > Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried > require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? > > Regards, > > Witty. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 I was helping to teach ACLS and even testing MD levels in BLS Skills as an EMT-Basic in the middle 1990's working for AHA Affiliate Faculty in Three northeastern states. I was however only allowed an ACLS card that was stamped AUDIT ONLY. I once failed a Sr. Cardiology Fellow. He gave every drug perfectly never once started CPR after he first stopped it. Did all the shocks everything perfect but no CPR. He took it to the Chief of Cardiology who asked several other MD's if my account was correct and stood behind me 100%. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (979) 412-0890 (Cell) LNMolino@... On Dec 4, 2010, at 18:48, Brault <c_brault@...> wrote: > Took ACLS as an EMT > > > in 1984 > > In Alberta > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: " PARA999@... " <PARA999@...> > > Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 2:09:10 PM > Subject: Re: ALS course? > > EMT's cannot do ALS courses in the UK, a substantial element of the ALS > course is Drug protocol, advanced airway management (intubation not > just igel or LMA) emt's therefore would not be licenced for these > elements, ALS courses do NOT give you a licence to practice extended > skills > > Dave > > > Re: ALS course? > > > > > > Hello Witty, > > Perhaps I misread your message, and certainly that is possible, but if > you > are not credentialed as some form of medical provider (1.e. > Doctor,nurse or > Paramedic/EMT,) how is it that you are an offshore medic? > > That said, of the courses offered these days, others have already > recommended Nottingham, which does have a very good reputation. Follow > this > link [http://bit.ly/dY3GE3] for their information, and please forgive > me if > I misinterpret your message. > > Donn > > On 12/4/10 3:54 AM, " witty204 " <witty204@...> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I'm an Off Shore medic. >> >> Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've > tried >> require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? >> >> Regards, >> >> Witty. >> >> >> >> >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Witty204 did ask about an ALS course v/s ACLS, but like the rest I assume he is asking about ACLS. Of course it could be ATLS as well. I have no knowledge of UK standards or requirements. Like a couple of others I can speak to the fact that EMTs are allowed to take the ACLS course in my part of the US. The idea here is that an EMT can monitor (or audit if you will) an ACLS class and thus be a better partner with a paramedic....and a more astute EMT. We have found that an EMT with the desire can frequently pass the written and skills examinations. The fact that the EMT may not " practice " the skills involved does not diminish the knowledge gained. This of course applies to EMS and FD type EMTs and not someone alone without backup at a remote location. Or, someone that might represent themselves as able to " do more things " than they are legally qualified to do. Along the same lines, over the past few years list members have voiced the desire to tale the ATLS course...and bemoaned that they, remote and hostile environment paramedics, are only allowed to audit the course, pass the examination and not be certified as to knowledge and skills. Like the EMT in an ACLS course, the paramedic (remote or not) can sometimes be allowed to audit an ATLS course. Niether can practice all the skills learned but the knowledge remains. So why betlittle and berate witty204? Seems to me to be a bit of a double standard. Happy Holidays to All, Mike Wm. M. (Mike) Spurgeon, NREMT-P Ladson, SC From: witty204 <witty204@...> Subject: ALS course? Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 4:54 AM Hello Everyone, I'm an Off Shore medic. Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? Regards, Witty. ------------------------------------ Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Editor: Ross Boardman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Thanks for all the replies everyone. Although Nottingham is a good option the dates are my problem as things stand. I will still look around to see where else may be available. I'm on my Medic's refresher with Capita in January so I may even meet a few of you some time soon... Don, I'm an ex-military medic (not a doctor/nurse/paramedic). Thanks again everyone! Witty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I'm an Off Shore medic. > > > > Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried > > require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? > > > > Regards, > > > > Witty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Your a good guy Mike, I like the way you think. Happy Holidays, Bro  ________________________________ From: mike80041 <mike80041@...> Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 4:25:23 AM Subject: Re: ALS course?  Witty204 did ask about an ALS course v/s ACLS, but like the rest I assume he is asking about ACLS.  Of course it could be ATLS as well.   I have no knowledge of UK standards or requirements. Like a couple of others I can speak to the fact that EMTs are allowed to take the ACLS course in my part of the US. The idea here is that an EMT can monitor (or audit if you will) an ACLS class and thus be a better partner with a paramedic....and a more astute EMT.   We have found that an EMT with the desire can frequently pass the written and skills examinations. The fact that the EMT may not " practice " the skills involved does not diminish the knowledge gained.  This of course applies to EMS and FD type EMTs and not someone alone without backup at a remote location. Or, someone that might represent themselves as able to " do more things " than they are legally qualified to do.  Along the same lines, over the past few years list members have voiced the desire to tale the ATLS course...and bemoaned that they, remote and hostile environment paramedics, are only allowed to audit the course, pass the examination and not be certified as to knowledge and skills.  Like the EMT in an ACLS course, the paramedic (remote or not) can sometimes be allowed to audit an ATLS course. Niether can practice all the skills learned but the knowledge remains. So why betlittle and berate witty204?  Seems to me to be a bit of a double standard.  Happy Holidays to All, Mike Wm. M. (Mike) Spurgeon, NREMT-P Ladson, SC From: witty204 <witty204@...> Subject: ALS course? Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 4:54 AM Hello Everyone, I'm an Off Shore medic. Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? Regards, Witty. ------------------------------------ Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Editor:    Ross Boardman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 Dear All Why not go direct to the UK Resuscitation Council website and download all ALS courses run by them and take it from there http://www.resus.org.uk/pages/courses.htm Kind regards BZÂ From: mark sumner <marksumner1@...> Subject: Re: ALS course? Date: Saturday, 4 December, 2010, 10:37 Â That is not correct, Capita and Interdive dont do ALS, Capita do ALSS which is not the same and some employers dont recognise it. The places that I do know you can get it from are Nottingham (google offsshore med courses) and you can do an eACLS course through Frontier medical Mark ________________________________ From: " ianadams06@... " <ianadams06@...> Sent: Sat, 4 December, 2010 10:19:54 Subject: Re: ALS course? Â Capita, Abermed, Interdive, that other place in nottingham. ALS course? Hello Everyone, I'm an Off Shore medic. Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? Regards, Witty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 : I am telling .... that is if I could find any instructors that are still alive. No down side taking ALS .. or ATLS they are all franchised anyway, they certainly have dummied them down over the years. cheers Re: ALS course? Took ACLS as an EMT in 1984 In Alberta ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 Ladies & Gentlemen, Places on Resuscitation Council (UK) ALS Courses are now predominantly for those individuals who are going to Team Lead Cardiac Arrests and therefore more aligned to Doctors and Specialist Nurses (A & E, ITU, Critical Care Outreach and CCU) predominantly because the skills here are aimed at definitive management of reversible causes (hypo/hyperkalaemia etc). If it's the: * Recognition of Cardiac Arrest * Airway Management (Simple Manoevers, Simple Adjuncts and LMA's / iGels) * Universal Algorythm (Shockable v Non-shockable and Drugs) The the Resuscitation Council (UK) ILS Course maybe for you, and is certainly open to EMT's  Gavin Resuscitation Officer Barts and The London NHS Trust ________________________________ From: Steve Lilly <stevelilly44@...> " " < > Sent: Sat, 4 December, 2010 21:17:15 Subject: Re: ALS course?  Correct! I concur ! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2010, at 12:09 PM, PARA999@... wrote: > EMT's cannot do ALS courses in the UK, a substantial element of the ALS > course is Drug protocol, advanced airway management (intubation not > just igel or LMA) emt's therefore would not be licenced for these > elements, ALS courses do NOT give you a licence to practice extended > skills > > Dave > > Re: ALS course? > > Hello Witty, > > Perhaps I misread your message, and certainly that is possible, but if > you > are not credentialed as some form of medical provider (1.e. > Doctor,nurse or > Paramedic/EMT,) how is it that you are an offshore medic? > > That said, of the courses offered these days, others have already > recommended Nottingham, which does have a very good reputation. Follow > this > link [http://bit.ly/dY3GE3] for their information, and please forgive > me if > I misinterpret your message. > > Donn > > On 12/4/10 3:54 AM, " witty204 " <witty204@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I'm an Off Shore medic. > > > > Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've > tried > > require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? > > > > Regards, > > > > Witty. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 I think the question at hand is if you are NOT a paramedic (or higher medically) how can you be employed as an offshore medic? This could be why witty listed ALS instead of ACLS, ATLS, ABLS, AMLS, etc, et al, ad infinitum. > > > From: witty204 <witty204@...> > Subject: ALS course? > > Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 4:54 AM > > > Hello Everyone, > > I'm an Off Shore medic. > > Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? > > > Regards, > > Witty. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe > Editor: Ross Boardman > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 Simples. To work offshore in the UK the HSE guidance does not require you to be a registered paramedic. (Although many are) The requirements to undertake the UK HSE offshore medics course usually are Registered General Nurse Military class one equivalent e.g. CMT RMA 1 / LMA / Or equivalent as assessed by the training organisations. I'm a bit out of date not having been involved in medicine for some years, but when I joined the industry in 95 paramedics were actually precluded as it was felt their training did not meet the requirements. I've heard though this has changed. I'm sure one of North Sea lads will update us..... Rgs ListOwner From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of unit12medic Sent: 05 December 2010 18:47 Subject: Re: ALS course? I think the question at hand is if you are NOT a paramedic (or higher medically) how can you be employed as an offshore medic? This could be why witty listed ALS instead of ACLS, ATLS, ABLS, AMLS, etc, et al, ad infinitum. > > > From: witty204 <witty204@...> > Subject: ALS course? > <mailto:%40> > Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 4:54 AM > > > Hello Everyone, > > I'm an Off Shore medic. > > Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've tried require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? > > > Regards, > > Witty. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe > Editor: Ross Boardman > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 I would have thought that this was exactly the reason why a Remote Site Medic / Paramedic would do the course? As he is the team leader and usually the highest trained and qualified health care professional on a project in the middle of nowhere leading / performing the resus and trying to find reversible causes and actually reverse them. So much for logic, or is it job security? In Western Australia where the UK courses have been adopted, where as the rest of the country run with the standard BLS / ACLS courses, but in Australia regardless Paramedics can attend BLS / ACLS or the UK ILS / ALS Course. Regards Colin. Ladies & Gentlemen, Places on Resuscitation Council (UK) ALS Courses are now predominantly for those individuals who are going to Team Lead Cardiac Arrests and therefore more aligned to Doctors and Specialist Nurses (A & E, ITU, Critical Care Outreach and CCU) predominantly because the skills here are aimed at definitive management of reversible causes (hypo/hyperkalaemia etc). If it's the: * Recognition of Cardiac Arrest * Airway Management (Simple Manoevers, Simple Adjuncts and LMA's / iGels) * Universal Algorythm (Shockable v Non-shockable and Drugs) The the Resuscitation Council (UK) ILS Course maybe for you, and is certainly open to EMT's Gavin Resuscitation Officer Barts and The London NHS Trust ________________________________ From: Steve Lilly <stevelilly44@... <mailto:stevelilly44%40> > " <mailto:%40> " < <mailto:%40> > Sent: Sat, 4 December, 2010 21:17:15 Subject: Re: ALS course? Correct! I concur ! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2010, at 12:09 PM, PARA999@... <mailto:PARA999%40aol.com> wrote: > EMT's cannot do ALS courses in the UK, a substantial element of the ALS > course is Drug protocol, advanced airway management (intubation not > just igel or LMA) emt's therefore would not be licenced for these > elements, ALS courses do NOT give you a licence to practice extended > skills > > Dave > > Re: ALS course? > > Hello Witty, > > Perhaps I misread your message, and certainly that is possible, but if > you > are not credentialed as some form of medical provider (1.e. > Doctor,nurse or > Paramedic/EMT,) how is it that you are an offshore medic? > > That said, of the courses offered these days, others have already > recommended Nottingham, which does have a very good reputation. Follow > this > link [http://bit.ly/dY3GE3] for their information, and please forgive > me if > I misinterpret your message. > > Donn > > On 12/4/10 3:54 AM, " witty204 " <witty204@... <mailto:witty204%40> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I'm an Off Shore medic. > > > > Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've > tried > > require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? > > > > Regards, > > > > Witty. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 Lots of interesting things being said in this discussion. I agree that the remote site medic does play the role of the team leader, but it's my humble opinion that we don't really get much of a team to work with in most places. Yeah we do train the galley hands in basic first aid, being part of stretcher party and all that, but in an emergent situation, it's usually the medic all by himself trying to juggle ten things at a time. Maybe it's just been my experience and others have had better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I'm an Off Shore medic. > > > > Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've > tried > > require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? > > > > Regards, > > > > Witty. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 Agreed, which was why I stated that the Medic / Paramedic was the highest skilled and trained HCP leading a lesser (usually first aid trained) team, so having a higher degree of understanding, insight and ability to problem solve in a critical care situation, trauma or other medical emergency would ensue that the Medic / Paramedic needs to have his skills and wits about him, to correctly care for the patient as in ALCS or ALS ect. ect. But here in sometimes rest the issue of the us and them crowd when it comes to who can attend what training and I am speaking as a Nurse and as a Paramedic on this one. And I completely agree with Pete and Kishore on the lack of time, and sometimes enthusiasm when it comes to training in the offshore environment, a long standing and as yet unresolved issue for all medics, unless we see change in the coming years the Medics will as was well said by Kishore Juggle ten or more issues at one time when it all goes wrong. Cheers Colin. I think Kishore is quite right about the lone medic at the scene...... However the company I work with has started sending some of their specialists on Advanced First Aid courses and when they come back from there we train them up in to the onboard equipment and simple procedures so that they can give some assistance at the time as generally I have found the galley staff not are too busy and also not too interested or enthusiastic about training or instruction...! P From: Kishore H <kishorep1914@... <mailto:kishorep1914%40> > Subject: RE: ALS course? <mailto:%40> Date: Monday, 6 December, 2010, 16:54 Lots of interesting things being said in this discussion. I agree that the remote site medic does play the role of the team leader, but it's my humble opinion that we don't really get much of a team to work with in most places. Yeah we do train the galley hands in basic first aid, being part of stretcher party and all that, but in an emergent situation, it's usually the medic all by himself trying to juggle ten things at a time. Maybe it's just been my experience and others have had better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I'm an Off Shore medic. > > > > Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've > tried > > require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? > > > > Regards, > > > > Witty. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 Hi All, Just my two pennies worth here, let's face it we all know that virtually none of the training establishments currently providing offshore medics tickets have got it right!! What we are all looking for is an internationally recognized accredited course specifically designed for our working environment, the likes of Capita have the ALSS course but as previously discussed not recognized by some? Would it be recognized in court for example!! So at least they have tried to make the effort. The Nottingham course very good but again is teaching to the standard hospital run emergency with lots of specialist on call to help you out!! Someone out there in the training world must recognize that these are not FFP and write a course that understands the meaning of the lone remote medic in the emergency situation who at best in most cases has someone who can just about recognize the piece of kit he is asking for when he is hands on. Something accredited by the Royal Collage would be a great start!!! and a course that has been vetted by a long standing reputable offshore medic who can add in the realities of the offshore environment, equipment and medication limitations. Then all we have to do is get the agencies to front up and allow us to attend the course and change their protocols to fit!!! Probably never in my offshore career!!! Ian. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > > > > > I'm an Off Shore medic. > > > > > > > > Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've > > > tried > > > > require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Witty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 Hello all, Have found several statements on the subject of interest but it seems to me that we are back to the never ending (at least in my lifetime) battle of useful pertinent courses for remote medics vs courses tailored to and sent up for “traditional Medical professions”. The traditional courses ACLS, ATLS, PALS etc; are certainly of use for us in the remote game. None of them are “the” course we all seem to be crying out for. Yet to continue to work in the field we are required to spend our hard earned money on the courses. Certainly my fellow American medics will attest to the requirements by most employers to have all the alphabet cards in your pocket to get and keep your job. AS for the Offshore medic course which I have taken. Its basic core standards were a disappointment and needs a serious overhaul, proof of this is the various offshore medic courses that exceed the minimum requirements in their offered courses. So my question to the group is how do we fix this? Can we fix this? The Diprom course is a great idea but when the first intake is done with the course what will it mean? The employers will still ask for the offshore medic card, ACLS card, BLS card etc;. Just my 2 cents Tom G From: cjmartin11@... Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:24:14 +0800 Subject: RE: ALS course? Agreed, which was why I stated that the Medic / Paramedic was the highest skilled and trained HCP leading a lesser (usually first aid trained) team, so having a higher degree of understanding, insight and ability to problem solve in a critical care situation, trauma or other medical emergency would ensue that the Medic / Paramedic needs to have his skills and wits about him, to correctly care for the patient as in ALCS or ALS ect. ect. But here in sometimes rest the issue of the us and them crowd when it comes to who can attend what training and I am speaking as a Nurse and as a Paramedic on this one. And I completely agree with Pete and Kishore on the lack of time, and sometimes enthusiasm when it comes to training in the offshore environment, a long standing and as yet unresolved issue for all medics, unless we see change in the coming years the Medics will as was well said by Kishore Juggle ten or more issues at one time when it all goes wrong. Cheers Colin. I think Kishore is quite right about the lone medic at the scene...... However the company I work with has started sending some of their specialists on Advanced First Aid courses and when they come back from there we train them up in to the onboard equipment and simple procedures so that they can give some assistance at the time as generally I have found the galley staff not are too busy and also not too interested or enthusiastic about training or instruction...! P From: Kishore H <kishorep1914@... <mailto:kishorep1914%40> > Subject: RE: ALS course? <mailto:%40> Date: Monday, 6 December, 2010, 16:54 Lots of interesting things being said in this discussion. I agree that the remote site medic does play the role of the team leader, but it's my humble opinion that we don't really get much of a team to work with in most places. Yeah we do train the galley hands in basic first aid, being part of stretcher party and all that, but in an emergent situation, it's usually the medic all by himself trying to juggle ten things at a time. Maybe it's just been my experience and others have had better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I'm an Off Shore medic. > > > > Where oh where can I do an ALS course in the UK as the places I've > tried > > require that I have to be a Doctor,nurse or Paramedic/EMT to attend? > > > > Regards, > > > > Witty. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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