RE: ? on pasture and grassfed

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In a message dated 7/11/03 7:57:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> -------->too exclusive, i think. they probably eat other stuff in the

> pasture too. clovers? other flowers? medicinal plants? like the ones the

> famous horse selected which cured whatever disease it had, that the hoxsey

> formula is based on?

oh sure, but in that case " green " is more important than pasture, since cows

will eat maple leaves, e.g. my experience is that calves long for anything

green and don't really give a crap what it is. they definitely eat clovers.

the only reason clovers are in this country is because the english brought them

over to feed cattle, since they found new england unfit for livestock feeding.

didn't albrecht write something about cows being

> chemists (or something like that) because, if you give them a pasture of

> diverse plants, they'll select exactly what they need, nutritionally and

> medicinally?

>

i don't remember whether i ever finished that paper, but what i remember him

talking about is discerning between different types of grass. i.e. grass

over-fed nitrogen from the cow's poop versus other grass. may have gone into

other plants in pasture, not sure.

> is *grass* enough to keep them healthy? i kind of have in the back of my

> mind that each cow, given a pasture of diverse plants/herbs is it's own

> *pharmacist* when necessary.

> well, on second thought, maybe you are right, maybe it's best to keep it

> simple and just say " grass-fed. "

might be easier. seems like semantics.

chris

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>>>>What's the difference between pasturefed and grassfed?

Are pasturefed animals still fed a little grains and are

grassfed animals diets solely grass and pastures?

-->vee, it's essentially the same thing. i think pasture is a bit more

encompassing because there are often many other plants besides grass in

pastures, but the gist is the same - the cows eat their natural diet of

grass and other plants found in pasture.

Suze Fisher

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Suze-

I have to disagree slightly. Pasturing does, as you say, encompass

grass-feeding, but turning animals out on any pasture can count as

pasturing, even if it's not at all natural or healthy. Animals can be

pastured on corn or even soy, for example, and often enough they are.

>-->vee, it's essentially the same thing. i think pasture is a bit more

>encompassing because there are often many other plants besides grass in

>pastures, but the gist is the same - the cows eat their natural diet of

>grass and other plants found in pasture.

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Suze-

Yup. I think soy " pasturing " is fairly rare, but corn is more common,

especially for pigs, where it's practically de rigeur in some circles.

Obviously you and I know we basically mean " grass-fed " when we speak of

pastured animals, but to a newbie the issue isn't so clear, so it's

important for them to know that they have to be careful about what they're

really getting.

>----->really? " pastured " on soy?? i haven't heard of this. in common

>parlance, " pasture-fed " means on green pasture. are you saying that some

>farmers let cows roam their cornfields or soy fields and call them

> " pasture-fed " ? i think that would be an anomoly, wouldn't it?

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>>>>I have to disagree slightly. Pasturing does, as you say, encompass

grass-feeding, but turning animals out on any pasture can count as

pasturing, even if it's not at all natural or healthy. Animals can be

pastured on corn or even soy, for example, and often enough they are.

----->really? " pastured " on soy?? i haven't heard of this. in common

parlance, " pasture-fed " means on green pasture. are you saying that some

farmers let cows roam their cornfields or soy fields and call them

" pasture-fed " ? i think that would be an anomoly, wouldn't it?

when we all talk about pasture-fed, as you know, we mean on *grass* pasture.

i notice ron schmid uses that term too, even in the title of his new book on

raw milk from cows on " green pasture " . maybe it's now necessary to preface

pasture with " green " ??

Suze Fisher

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Web Design & Development

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> >>>>I have to disagree slightly. Pasturing does, as you say,

encompass

> grass-feeding, but turning animals out on any pasture can count as

> pasturing, even if it's not at all natural or healthy. Animals can

be

> pastured on corn or even soy, for example, and often enough they

are.

>

>

> ----->really? " pastured " on soy?? i haven't heard of this.

<><><<<<<>Suze, You're not on the lobster boat anymore. This is the

great midwest. HAhaha. as you say lol!

in common

> parlance, " pasture-fed " means on green pasture. are you saying that

some farmers let cows roam their cornfields or soy fields and call

them

> " pasture-fed " ? i think that would be an anomoly, wouldn't it?

>

>

<><><><<<><><<><><<><><<<>It may be an anomoly or maybe aytypical

but around 20 years ago it was SOP to pasture corn and milo fields in

the fall after harvest. This spread fertilizer in a natural manner

and " probably " (I don't want a debate; lol again) made for healthier

soil for next growing season. In those days I don't think there were

as many bean fields as today. And farmers just take livestock to the

local auction and sell them as necessary essentially to pay the

mortgage not selling them as organic nor pasture fed......even though

in those days (and before) many were.

when we all talk about pasture-fed, as you know, we mean on *grass*

pasture.

> i notice ron schmid uses that term too, even in the title of his

new book on

> raw milk from cows on " green pasture " . maybe it's now necessary to

preface

> pasture with " green " ??

>

> <><><><><><><><<><>fast growing green grass pasture is where WAP

indicated X-factor originated. ( Hope this not a misquote of WAP)

Dennis

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

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Suze-

Why not just go with " grass-fed " ?

>so, the flyer is titled

> " RAW MILK FROM PASTURE-FED ANIMALS IS BEST " . i think i'm going to change it

>to " raw milk from animals on *green* pasture is best " . without the

>asterisks, of course.

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>>>>>Yup. I think soy " pasturing " is fairly rare, but corn is more common,

especially for pigs, where it's practically de rigeur in some circles.

----->gads! it's a bastardization of the word " pasture " !

>>>Obviously you and I know we basically mean " grass-fed " when we speak of

pastured animals, but to a newbie the issue isn't so clear, so it's

important for them to know that they have to be careful about what they're

really getting.

----->good point. i'm glad this came up because i just made a flyer on raw

milk today that i plan on handing out tomorrow at a local health food store.

our chapter is having a booth there to promote raw milk as we just set up a

deal with that store and a farm that produces raw, organic, primarily

grass-fed milk from jerseys. they will be the only source of raw cow's milk

in portland, maine, AFAIK. so we want the public to know why that particular

milk would be a better choice than, say, horizon. so, the flyer is titled

" RAW MILK FROM PASTURE-FED ANIMALS IS BEST " . i think i'm going to change it

to " raw milk from animals on *green* pasture is best " . without the

asterisks, of course. LOL

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

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>>>Why not just go with " grass-fed " ?

-------->too exclusive, i think. they probably eat other stuff in the

pasture too. clovers? other flowers? medicinal plants? like the ones the

famous horse selected which cured whatever disease it had, that the hoxsey

formula is based on? didn't albrecht write something about cows being

chemists (or something like that) because, if you give them a pasture of

diverse plants, they'll select exactly what they need, nutritionally and

medicinally?

is *grass* enough to keep them healthy? i kind of have in the back of my

mind that each cow, given a pasture of diverse plants/herbs is it's own

*pharmacist* when necessary.

well, on second thought, maybe you are right, maybe it's best to keep it

simple and just say " grass-fed. "

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

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> ----->really? " pastured " on soy?? i haven't heard of this.

<><><<<<<>Suze, You're not on the lobster boat anymore. This is the

great midwest. HAhaha. as you say lol!

----->ROFLMAO! good one, kansas boy ;-) or wherever you are in the

midwest..it's all the same to us fishing village types.

when we all talk about pasture-fed, as you know, we mean on *grass*

pasture.

> i notice ron schmid uses that term too, even in the title of his

new book on

> raw milk from cows on " green pasture " . maybe it's now necessary to

preface

> pasture with " green " ??

>

> <><><><><><><><<><>fast growing green grass pasture is where WAP

indicated X-factor originated. ( Hope this not a misquote of WAP)

----->yes, where he found it, at least. but during the rest of the year,

grass/pasture/grass silage will do :-)

> Suze Fisher

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Suze-

Well, I'd never advocate monoculture, but " pasture " can mean all kinds of

things, including fields of soy, whereas " grass " can mean a wild

meadow. Yes, it could mean some idiot turning a cow loose on a

monocultured lawn, but I doubt that's as much of a problem as farmers

" pasturing " their cows on grossly inappropriate feeds like corn and soy.

>is *grass* enough to keep them healthy? i kind of have in the back of my

>mind that each cow, given a pasture of diverse plants/herbs is it's own

>*pharmacist* when necessary.

>

>well, on second thought, maybe you are right, maybe it's best to keep it

>simple and just say " grass-fed. "

-

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> >well, on second thought, maybe you are right, maybe it's best to

keep it

> >simple and just say " grass-fed. "

>

>

> > -

<><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Maybe, just maybe, seasonally grass fed is the

proper descriptor.....OK maybe not! What about the off season? Dennis

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<><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Maybe, just maybe, seasonally grass fed is the

proper descriptor.....OK maybe not! What about the off season? Dennis

--------->off season, pick-o-the-crop = grass silage/hay silage/veggies(?)

Suze Fisher

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--Get this! One farmer around here feeds his cattle rejects from the

russell stover candy factory during the off season. Pours it or

grinds it right into the silage..... During the tourist season

they're on green grass. HaHahaha. My cow gets pig weeds (in season)

and thats atypical. Dennis

- In , " Suze Fisher "

<s.fisher22@v...> wrote:

> <><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Maybe, just maybe, seasonally grass fed is the

> proper descriptor.....OK maybe not! What about the off season?

Dennis

>

> --------->off season, pick-o-the-crop = grass silage/hay

silage/veggies(?)

>

> Suze Fisher

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:02:46 -0400

" Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> >>>Why not just go with " grass-fed " ?

>

> -------->too exclusive, i think. they probably eat other stuff in the

> pasture too. clovers? other flowers? medicinal plants? like the ones the

> famous horse selected which cured whatever disease it had, that the hoxsey

> formula is based on? didn't albrecht write something about cows being

> chemists (or something like that) because, if you give them a pasture of

> diverse plants, they'll select exactly what they need, nutritionally and

> medicinally?

Hi Suze,

Yes Albrecht did say that, and it is great article to boot! But what he

meant by that is animals will choose the pasture (or portion thereof) that

has the highest fertility, regardless of what plant or grasses are in

the pasture.