Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 That opportunity looks great, thanks for passing it along. Anyone out there in or near Edmonton, or anywhere in Alberta? Know of anyone in EMS/medicine in Edmonton? What are the odds of reciprocity of US medic license to Canada? I searched the web and found the normal stuff that wasn't so helpful. Anything would be appreciated, thank you, - Frontier Medical 'Trawl' Sent: May 12, 2010 15:54 " Frontier Medical are currently bidding on a number of new contract opportunities and are keen to hear from health care professionals interested in working on offshore or remote land projects worldwide. Skills, Experience and Training: - Current registration/ licence to practice or ex military medical qualification - Minimum of 3 years post-qualification clinical experience, preferably in a pre hospital environment - Primary healthcare clinical skills - Internationally recognised Trauma Certification - Internationally recognised Cardiac Certification - Computer Literacy in MS Office packages - Offshore Survival Training (offshore opportunities only) - High levels of health and fitness (a medical fitness certificate would be required) - Previous remote site experience is advantageous, but not mandatory In return you will be provided with: - 24/7 project management support - 24/7 clinical support via a dedicated Topside service - On and offshore opportunities - Short and long term projects - Various rotational lengths - Opportunity for Continuing Professional Development If you are interested in being considered for project opportunities with Frontier Medical, please submit your CV to ELG FZE the exclusive manpower agency for Frontier Medical. Email: adminelgfze (DOT) com Web: www.elgfze.com Quinn cuinne@... johnmquinnv@... +420 608 246 032 Czech mobile +962 79 908 0776 +1 630 747 9081 voicemail FAX: +1 (917) 591-9686 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 On Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:28, " JOHN QUINN " <cuinne@...> said: > Anyone out there in or near Edmonton, or anywhere in Alberta? Know of anyone in > EMS/medicine in Edmonton? What are the odds of reciprocity of US medic license to > Canada? I searched the web and found the normal stuff that wasn't so helpful. I have good friends who are medics in Alberta, and an ex girlfriend who is a medic in Ontario. Chances of reciprocity specifically in Alberta are less than slim to none. If you have a degree, a buttload of experience, and a dedicated sponsoring agency in province, then you *might* fare a little better in other provinces and get the opportunity to sit for the exam. But don't expect any province to simply give you equivalent reciprocity. In fact, most would only take you as a basic, even as a US paramedic. Paramedic education is a three-year full-time process in all of Canadia, unlike the typical 6 months or less in the US. Their basics know a lot more than most of our paramedics do. Your best bet is to find an agency that is genuinely interested in hiring you, and let them do the leg work for you. They can make inroads where you won't even get a phone call returned, especially in Alberta, where the Alberta College of Paramedics (the regulating body, not an actual college) is hostile to Americans. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 Do you not have to be a Canadian or have a Canadian work visa for this post? Mike ________________________________ From: JOHN QUINN <cuinne@...> Sent: Wed, 26 May, 2010 16:28:15 Subject: Re: Canada Medics. That opportunity looks great, thanks for passing it along. Anyone out there in or near Edmonton, or anywhere in Alberta? Know of anyone in EMS/medicine in Edmonton? What are the odds of reciprocity of US medic license to Canada? I searched the web and found the normal stuff that wasn't so helpful. Anything would be appreciated, thank you, - Frontier Medical 'Trawl' Sent: May 12, 2010 15:54 " Frontier Medical are currently bidding on a number of new contract opportunities and are keen to hear from health care professionals interested in working on offshore or remote land projects worldwide. Skills, Experience and Training: - Current registration/ licence to practice or ex military medical qualification - Minimum of 3 years post-qualification clinical experience, preferably in a pre hospital environment - Primary healthcare clinical skills - Internationally recognised Trauma Certification - Internationally recognised Cardiac Certification - Computer Literacy in MS Office packages - Offshore Survival Training (offshore opportunities only) - High levels of health and fitness (a medical fitness certificate would be required) - Previous remote site experience is advantageous, but not mandatory In return you will be provided with: - 24/7 project management support - 24/7 clinical support via a dedicated Topside service - On and offshore opportunities - Short and long term projects - Various rotational lengths - Opportunity for Continuing Professional Development If you are interested in being considered for project opportunities with Frontier Medical, please submit your CV to ELG FZE the exclusive manpower agency for Frontier Medical. Email: adminelgfze (DOT) com Web: www.elgfze.com Quinn cuinne@... johnmquinnv@... +420 608 246 032 Czech mobile +962 79 908 0776 +1 630 747 9081 voicemail FAX: +1 (917) 591-9686 ------------------------------------ Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Editor: Ross Boardman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 Greetings Et All: I just may have some insight to the Alberta experiance ;>) ...... almost 30 years now. The REMT-P programs in the US generally not accepted in Alberta, (most do not qualify for EMT I level) so odds are zero to none for direct reciprocity out of the US in most cases...and sorry, no offence please don't shoot the Red Neck Blue eyed Albertan messenger. Our programs here (AB)are a minimum of 3.5 years total time with an investiture of at least $ 30,000 CND.. (minimum) living allowances not included. Graduation is equivalent to an associates degree, but that level recognition (associates degree) in college or university is non existent in the Mooseville. Best advice is taking the entire schooling " YES " OVER in its entirety (one may receive minor credits in some courses ) as this IS the best way to avoid all the he hoop jumping and much disappointment. I personally know of at least a bakers dozen REMT-P get fed up and go back to the US ... did I mention immigration issues ? ... and good luck if " English " is your first language. Programs are Canadian Medically " Approved " yup pretty high standards here and personal advise if the program is not on the CMA or Alberta College of Paramedics list ... one could be wasting a lot of $$$$$ / Time. Be prepared to and that's " IF " your institute is evaluated out of the US of A and at your cost ! Then the field level practicum a bit of a sticky wicket here as with the present take over by Alberta Health Care / Unions conflict/ Legislation and Acts called AIT and TILMA. One could wait for quite some time to even get a field practicum, (a side bar .. presently in BCAS that's British Columbia Ambulance Service a very tight shop) there is no available Practicum's this with a Labour dispute and on-going. The transition to a complete Government Run Ambulance System in Alberta has not gone as smoothly as expected by government (reorganization during a recession ... hmm.) then a " quiet " hiring freeze is in situ ... I could go on to extreme boredom with the EMS politics in Alberta but will spare Tom and the whining and gory details. Alberta is one of the most highly regulated Paramedic " groups " in the world, and sitting beside a " uk mate " as I type. The reciprocity issue across Canada alone, has been under development for more that 15 years. See Paramedic Association of Canada website and now a new Association of Regulatory Bodies ... wtf is that. ? This is still in its infancy for national reciprocity in of itself. The Industrial contractors in the NWT " used " to employ non registered and free for alls but that will soon be terminated with NWT Health Care dictating Alberta registry . In addition: Frontier has very recently put up their single and have a tendency to low ball bids, this does not " side " well with current registered and experienced Industrial Practioners that too are felling the pinch of the resection this with very few valid contracts in Alberta, that I am aware ... so don't expect top dollar with them .....they may just C.V. hunting. Besides there are OVER 190 EMS Industrial Providers/ Contractors for Oil/Gas/Mining ... so good luck with that. ISOS tried to get a foot in the door in Alberta ...not looking all happy for the World Leader cheers Bear Breath. Re: Canada Medics. > That opportunity looks great, thanks for passing it along. > > Anyone out there in or near Edmonton, or anywhere in Alberta? Know of > anyone in EMS/medicine in Edmonton? What are the odds of reciprocity of US > medic license to Canada? I searched the web and found the normal stuff > that wasn't so helpful. > > Anything would be appreciated, thank you, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 , The Alberta College of Paramedics registration is the requirement for work in Alberta. The process is difficult for US medics but not impossible. Check their website - realize that most of these industrial jobs go for around $600 Canadian/day. No quick workaround as in temporary registration for non-CMA accrediated programs last I heard, but it's worth giving them a call. Jeff From: JOHN QUINN <cuinne@...> Subject: Re: Canada Medics. Received: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:28 AM That opportunity looks great, thanks for passing it along. Anyone out there in or near Edmonton, or anywhere in Alberta? Know of anyone in EMS/medicine in Edmonton? What are the odds of reciprocity of US medic license to Canada? I searched the web and found the normal stuff that wasn't so helpful. Anything would be appreciated, thank you, - Frontier Medical 'Trawl' Sent: May 12, 2010 15:54 " Frontier Medical are currently bidding on a number of new contract opportunities and are keen to hear from health care professionals interested in working on offshore or remote land projects worldwide. Skills, Experience and Training: - Current registration/ licence to practice or ex military medical qualification - Minimum of 3 years post-qualification clinical experience, preferably in a pre hospital environment - Primary healthcare clinical skills - Internationally recognised Trauma Certification - Internationally recognised Cardiac Certification - Computer Literacy in MS Office packages - Offshore Survival Training (offshore opportunities only) - High levels of health and fitness (a medical fitness certificate would be required) - Previous remote site experience is advantageous, but not mandatory In return you will be provided with: - 24/7 project management support - 24/7 clinical support via a dedicated Topside service - On and offshore opportunities - Short and long term projects - Various rotational lengths - Opportunity for Continuing Professional Development If you are interested in being considered for project opportunities with Frontier Medical, please submit your CV to ELG FZE the exclusive manpower agency for Frontier Medical. Email: adminelgfze (DOT) com Web: www.elgfze.com Quinn cuinne@... johnmquinnv@... +420 608 246 032 Czech mobile +962 79 908 0776 +1 630 747 9081 voicemail FAX: +1 (917) 591-9686 ------------------------------------ Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Editor: Ross Boardman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2010 Report Share Posted May 26, 2010 Rob: I believe your ex gf is now in Edmonton " Metro " EMS ... just saying ;>O cheers Wilf Re: Canada Medics. I have good friends who are medics in Alberta, and an ex girlfriend who is a medic in Ontario. Chances of reciprocity specifically in Alberta are less than slim to none. If you have a degree, a buttload of experience, and a dedicated sponsoring agency in province, then you *might* fare a little better in other provinces and get the opportunity to sit for the exam. But don't expect any province to simply give you equivalent reciprocity. In fact, most would only take you as a basic, even as a US paramedic. Paramedic education is a three-year full-time process in all of Canadia, unlike the typical 6 months or less in the US. Their basics know a lot more than most of our paramedics do. Your best bet is to find an agency that is genuinely interested in hiring you, and let them do the leg work for you. They can make inroads where you won't even get a phone call returned, especially in Alberta, where the Alberta College of Paramedics (the regulating body, not an actual college) is hostile to Americans. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2010 Report Share Posted May 27, 2010 Jeff, Thanks for the heads-up man, I will visit the site and see what I can find. That's a lot of cash per day, more than most. Do medics work in hospitals in Canada too? What sort of staff work in acute care/emergency settings in Alberta? The standards seem quite high and difficult to get any level of exchange... Will keep searching and let you know what I find, thanks again. - Frontier Medical 'Trawl' Sent: May 12, 2010 15:54 " Frontier Medical are currently bidding on a number of new contract opportunities and are keen to hear from health care professionals interested in working on offshore or remote land projects worldwide. Skills, Experience and Training: - Current registration/ licence to practice or ex military medical qualification - Minimum of 3 years post-qualification clinical experience, preferably in a pre hospital environment - Primary healthcare clinical skills - Internationally recognised Trauma Certification - Internationally recognised Cardiac Certification - Computer Literacy in MS Office packages - Offshore Survival Training (offshore opportunities only) - High levels of health and fitness (a medical fitness certificate would be required) - Previous remote site experience is advantageous, but not mandatory In return you will be pr Quinn cuinne@... johnmquinnv@... +420 608 246 032 Czech mobile +962 79 908 0776 +1 630 747 9081 voicemail FAX: +1 (917) 591-9686 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2010 Report Share Posted May 27, 2010 Rob and Bear Breath, Thanks for the info and detail. This helps a lot. It sounds like Canadian medics are pretty high speed, raises the bar a bit (or a whole lot) I guess. Thanks for the details and everything, your help is literally priceless and I appreciate the insight. It sounds like medics in Canada are like PAs or even more in the US, 3.5 years and steep qualifications and all the rest, pretty impressive. I wonder why we don't have more of the same in the US. Do you know of any Albertan medics coming to the US? Thanks again guys and be safe, - Re: Canada Medics. Sent: May 26, 2010 18:10 On Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:28, " JOHN QUINN " <cuinne@...> said: > Anyone out there in or near Edmonton, or anywhere in Alberta? Know of anyone in > EMS/medicine in Edmonton? What are the odds of reciprocity of US medic license to > Canada? I searched the web and found the normal stuff that wasn't so helpful. I have good friends who are medics in Alberta, and an ex girlfriend who is a medic in Ontario. Chances of reciprocity specifically in Alberta are less than slim to none. If you have a degree, a buttload of experience, and a dedicated sponsoring agency in province, then you *might* fare a little better in other provinces and get the opportunity to sit for the exam. But don't expect any province to simply give you equivalent reciprocity. In fact, most would only take you as a basic, even as a US paramedic. Paramedic education is a three-year full-time process in all of Canadia, unlike the typical 6 months or less in the US. Their basics know a lot more than most of our paramedics do. Your best bet is to find an agency that is genuinely interested in hiring you, and let them do the leg work for you. They can make inroads where you won't even get a phone call returned, especially in Alberta, where the Alberta College of Paramedics (the regulating body, not an actual college) is hostile to Americans. Rob Quinn cuinne@... johnmquinnv@... +420 608 246 032 Czech mobile +962 79 908 0776 +1 630 747 9081 voicemail FAX: +1 (917) 591-9686 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Speak to Adrienne at Frontier - Sure she would clarify ... On 26 May 2010 17:28, JOHN QUINN <cuinne@...> wrote: > That opportunity looks great, thanks for passing it along. > > Anyone out there in or near Edmonton, or anywhere in Alberta? Know of > anyone in EMS/medicine in Edmonton? What are the odds of reciprocity of US > medic license to Canada? I searched the web and found the normal stuff that > wasn't so helpful. > > Anything would be appreciated, thank you, > > > - [Remotemedics.co.uk <http://remotemedics.co.uk/>] Frontier > Medical 'Trawl' > Sent: May 12, 2010 15:54 > > " Frontier Medical are currently bidding on a number of new contract > opportunities and are keen to hear from health care professionals interested > in working on offshore or remote land projects worldwide. Skills, Experience > and Training: - Current registration/ licence to practice or ex military > medical qualification - Minimum of 3 years post-qualification clinical > experience, preferably in a pre hospital environment - Primary healthcare > clinical skills - Internationally recognised Trauma Certification - > Internationally recognised Cardiac Certification - Computer Literacy in MS > Office packages - Offshore Survival Training (offshore opportunities only) - > High levels of health and fitness (a medical fitness certificate would be > required) - Previous remote site experience is advantageous, but not > mandatory In return you will be provided with: - 24/7 project management > support - 24/7 clinical support via a dedicated Topside service - On and > offshore opportunities - Short and long term projects - Various rotational > lengths - Opportunity for Continuing Professional Development If you are > interested in being considered for project opportunities with Frontier > Medical, please submit your CV to ELG FZE the exclusive manpower agency for > Frontier Medical. Email: adminelgfze (DOT) com Web: www.elgfze.com > > Quinn > cuinne@... > johnmquinnv@... > +420 608 246 032 Czech mobile > +962 79 908 0776 > +1 630 747 9081 voicemail > FAX: +1 (917) 591-9686 > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe > Editor: Ross Boardman > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 : I answer your question because my good friend Jeff can be known as " faster than a pail of peanut butter " <insert jab in ribs> Recent changes to legislation in provincial mobility of labour will be a huge factor for Paramedics in Canada most clearly and I highly suspect directly resulting in a change the " law's of supply and demand " that said: From within the present recognised CMA graduate providers from other parts of this country. I do know of one world wide medic provider that is already " underbidding " projects and is offering far less of a day rate as a direct result, then importing ACP from other provinces and " some " without reciprocity, the operators taking the risk of being busted by the Prime Contractors (its just cheaper I guess ?) but dumb in the long run. I would hope the would, .. hell it costs me an arm and farking one leg (yearly) I personally take issue with this scenario of non registered ACP cutting my bottom line ... wouldn't you ? News Flash: an RN was found not to have " licensure in AB " in the news as of late and was fined $20,000.00 ... again just saying. PMHX: I volunteered for Acadian in during the Rita and Katrina sisters when they laid a syte kicking on yall and your National Immigration in the USA would not " allow " me to me paid as it would take away a job from a USA born person .... wtf over ??? well the pay wouldn't keep me in beers anyways... I would be hard pressed to believe that Canadian immigration will not put up the same stink and even IF we in Canada were truely desperate, ah the politics of it all. Not a far stretch of the imagination that there will be checks and balances put in place, perhaps organized labour will step in to protect jobs ? (ps this is not Texas right to work deal as explained to be over beers with Rob H.) Thing is I don't know how the cards will be played as my crystal ball is out for cleaning. There has been lots of campfire chats lately, rest assured the goal to maintain the presently higher standards than the USA.(generally speaking) and no offence intended as I AM CANADIAN being politically polite and all..... LOL. Do keep us posted as to your progress if you are going to proceed with licensure and registration and then the associated costs in Kanukistan, we seriously could benefit a lot from those that have different world wide experiences and insight into improving our scope of practice, again be very aware that there is that " immigration hoop " to jump through first, health care is a provincial responsibility not federal government. (ps never the tween shall meet) I have a letter in hand from AB minister of immigration/ labour, the expected immigrate worker requirements from " out of country " for AB (only ) in 10 years projected is 77,000 workers overall, that's 7700 a year, then factor in " just the health care workers " and maybe 2 will be the bottom line? Who knows really but provincial governments are now " apprised " that bringing immigrant workers does nothing for the tax base in the economy of protectionism. To answer your question do Paramedics work in hospitals, well Yes: but a rare zebra and No: Not a hope in hell. It depends geopolitically and in what role. Question: Do you wish to have medical oversight by an RN ? As the scope of independent practice far less than an present ACP, or wish oversight by an MD to practice independently ? It is a present government " crack pipe dream concept " in some areas like AB, but in BC ... well good luck with that in that disenfranchised and unionised environment, and one has to be a BCAS union worker FIRSTLY, the government plan is get the PCP = EMT to work in nursing homes to help " lift heavy things " then please in good consciousness factor in the huge turf wars to be overcome, I bet not in my lifetime. ... even though I am on the freedom 95 plan. Agreed an excellent concept in remote clinics such as in NS, my sources tell me a very healthy success for the Advanced Care Paramedic, then again they are not paid anywhere near as well as industrial settings. FACT: There is a mass exodus out of eastern Canada for the golden industrial goose out west, only to have them return disheartened with pocketbooks less then when they landed here ... be very aware of employers promising the stars, especially full time employment .. as that dawg just doesn't hunt due to this " freeze-up and break-up thingy we have " . cheers and good luck. Wilf Re: Canada Medics. > Jeff, > > Thanks for the heads-up man, I will visit the site and see what I can > find. That's a lot of cash per day, more than most. > > Do medics work in hospitals in Canada too? What sort of staff work in > acute care/emergency settings in Alberta? The standards seem quite high > and difficult to get any level of exchange... > > Will keep searching and let you know what I find, thanks again. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Wilf, You're a dipstick... and a long-winded one at that. Get thee down to Texas and drink some of my beer. Taking me a day or two longer than it should to float a barrel. Party on Labor (not labour) Day weekend. Y'all come. For some reason I feel this is a job for which you would not be so noisy about volunteering. Cheers Donn PS: Remember that night in Mombasa? I still have that telephone number. On 7/17/10 12:50 PM, " Wilf Mackie " <w.mackie@...> wrote: > : > > I answer your question because my good friend Jeff can be known as > " faster than a pail of peanut butter " <insert jab in ribs> > > Recent changes to legislation in provincial mobility of labour will be > a huge factor for Paramedics in Canada most clearly and I highly suspect > directly resulting in a change the " law's of supply and demand " that said: >> From within the present recognised CMA graduate providers from other parts > of this country. I do know of one world wide medic provider that is already > " underbidding " projects and is offering far less of a day rate as a direct > result, then importing ACP from other provinces and " some " without > reciprocity, the operators taking the risk of being busted by the Prime > Contractors (its just cheaper I guess ?) but dumb in the long run. I would > hope the would, .. hell it costs me an arm and farking one leg (yearly) I > personally take issue with this scenario of non registered ACP cutting my > bottom line ... wouldn't you ? News Flash: an RN was found not to have > " licensure in AB " in the news as of late and was fined $20,000.00 ... again > just saying. > > PMHX: I volunteered for Acadian in during the Rita and Katrina sisters > when they laid a syte kicking on yall and your National Immigration in the > USA would not " allow " me to me paid as it would take away a job from a USA > born person .... wtf over ??? well the pay wouldn't keep me in beers > anyways... I would be hard pressed to believe that Canadian immigration will > not put up the same stink and even IF we in Canada were truely desperate, ah > the politics of it all. Not a far stretch of the imagination that there will > be checks and balances put in place, perhaps organized labour will step in > to protect jobs ? (ps this is not Texas right to work deal as explained to > be over beers with Rob H.) Thing is I don't know how the cards will be > played as my crystal ball is out for cleaning. There has been lots of > campfire chats lately, rest assured the goal to maintain the presently > higher standards than the USA.(generally speaking) and no offence intended > as I AM CANADIAN being politically polite and all..... LOL. > > Do keep us posted as to your progress if you are going to proceed with > licensure and registration and then the associated costs in Kanukistan, we > seriously could benefit a lot from those that have different world wide > experiences and insight into improving our scope of practice, again be very > aware that there is that " immigration hoop " to jump through first, health > care is a provincial responsibility not federal government. (ps never the > tween shall meet) I have a letter in hand from AB minister of immigration/ > labour, the expected immigrate worker requirements from " out of country " for > AB (only ) in 10 years projected is 77,000 workers overall, that's 7700 a > year, then factor in " just the health care workers " and maybe 2 will be the > bottom line? Who knows really but provincial governments are now " apprised " > that bringing immigrant workers does nothing for the tax base in the economy > of protectionism. > > To answer your question do Paramedics work in hospitals, well Yes: but a > rare zebra and No: Not a hope in hell. It depends geopolitically and in what > role. Question: Do you wish to have medical oversight by an RN ? As the > scope of independent practice far less than an present ACP, or wish > oversight by an MD to practice independently ? > > It is a present government " crack pipe dream concept " in some areas like > AB, but in BC ... well good luck with that in that disenfranchised and > unionised environment, and one has to be a BCAS union worker FIRSTLY, the > government plan is get the PCP = EMT to work in nursing homes to help " lift > heavy things " then please in good consciousness factor in the huge turf wars > to be overcome, I bet not in my lifetime. ... even though I am on the > freedom 95 plan. > > Agreed an excellent concept in remote clinics such as in NS, my sources > tell me a very healthy success for the Advanced Care Paramedic, then again > they are not paid anywhere near as well as industrial settings. FACT: There > is a mass exodus out of eastern Canada for the golden industrial goose out > west, only to have them return disheartened with pocketbooks less then when > they landed here ... be very aware of employers promising the stars, > especially full time employment .. as that dawg just doesn't hunt due to > this " freeze-up and break-up thingy we have " . > > cheers and good luck. > > Wilf > > > Re: Canada Medics. > > >> Jeff, >> >> Thanks for the heads-up man, I will visit the site and see what I can >> find. That's a lot of cash per day, more than most. >> >> Do medics work in hospitals in Canada too? What sort of staff work in >> acute care/emergency settings in Alberta? The standards seem quite high >> and difficult to get any level of exchange... >> >> Will keep searching and let you know what I find, thanks again. >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe > Editor: Ross Boardman > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Wilf, LOL I'm slower then a jar of peanut butter on a - 30 C winter day in the canadian north LOL, but really took the entire summer off ....... so I agree with what your saying, but a couple of points, paramedics do work in hospitals now, I work at the University ER under the direction of a MD, not restricted in any fashion given the clinical setting and no, not under any direction of an RN, although we work collaboratively and clinical placement is at the direction of nursing management depending on logistical needs. In that setting, you process all patients from admission to discharge, complete all MD orders. My other gig, is with the Federal Government, remote northern locations, where a MD comes every 2 weeks for a day, fly-in fly-out setting with a population of over 2,000, so you have to see the patient, do the labs, fill the prescription, do after hours clinic call divided between approximately 4 to 5 staff which is a mix of paramedics, RN's and sometimes NP's. Consultation with MD's or NP's for out patient Rx otherwise your covered. The paramedics are always called for critical events, and I recently gave lytics to a patient before flying them direct to the University, but for the most part the clinical setting is primary care with the regular disasters happening every week. So really a non-traditional setting. The day rate is $600 based on a 8 hour day, and $99 after hour rate which includes phone calls for advice and pre-screening, after hour clinic call in is $297 automatically based on min 3 hour call in rate. So there are changes, but it is really dependent upon location and I agree with you very limited. As for out-of-country interested parties, I don't think there has been any improvement in the very fustrating, time consuming, expensive certification process for recognition. My thoughts, and you owe me a beer! Jeff From: Wilf Mackie <w.mackie@...> Subject: Re: Canada Medics. Received: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 10:50 AM : I answer your question because my good friend Jeff can be known as " faster than a pail of peanut butter " <insert jab in ribs> Recent changes to legislation in provincial mobility of labour will be a huge factor for Paramedics in Canada most clearly and I highly suspect directly resulting in a change the " law's of supply and demand " that said: From within the present recognised CMA graduate providers from other parts of this country. I do know of one world wide medic provider that is already " underbidding " projects and is offering far less of a day rate as a direct result, then importing ACP from other provinces and " some " without reciprocity, the operators taking the risk of being busted by the Prime Contractors (its just cheaper I guess ?) but dumb in the long run. I would hope the would, .. hell it costs me an arm and farking one leg (yearly) I personally take issue with this scenario of non registered ACP cutting my bottom line ... wouldn't you ? News Flash: an RN was found not to have " licensure in AB " in the news as of late and was fined $20,000.00 ... again just saying. PMHX: I volunteered for Acadian in during the Rita and Katrina sisters when they laid a syte kicking on yall and your National Immigration in the USA would not " allow " me to me paid as it would take away a job from a USA born person .... wtf over ??? well the pay wouldn't keep me in beers anyways... I would be hard pressed to believe that Canadian immigration will not put up the same stink and even IF we in Canada were truely desperate, ah the politics of it all. Not a far stretch of the imagination that there will be checks and balances put in place, perhaps organized labour will step in to protect jobs ? (ps this is not Texas right to work deal as explained to be over beers with Rob H.) Thing is I don't know how the cards will be played as my crystal ball is out for cleaning. There has been lots of campfire chats lately, rest assured the goal to maintain the presently higher standards than the USA.(generally speaking) and no offence intended as I AM CANADIAN being politically polite and all..... LOL. Do keep us posted as to your progress if you are going to proceed with licensure and registration and then the associated costs in Kanukistan, we seriously could benefit a lot from those that have different world wide experiences and insight into improving our scope of practice, again be very aware that there is that " immigration hoop " to jump through first, health care is a provincial responsibility not federal government. (ps never the tween shall meet) I have a letter in hand from AB minister of immigration/ labour, the expected immigrate worker requirements from " out of country " for AB (only ) in 10 years projected is 77,000 workers overall, that's 7700 a year, then factor in " just the health care workers " and maybe 2 will be the bottom line? Who knows really but provincial governments are now " apprised " that bringing immigrant workers does nothing for the tax base in the economy of protectionism. To answer your question do Paramedics work in hospitals, well Yes: but a rare zebra and No: Not a hope in hell. It depends geopolitically and in what role. Question: Do you wish to have medical oversight by an RN ? As the scope of independent practice far less than an present ACP, or wish oversight by an MD to practice independently ? It is a present government " crack pipe dream concept " in some areas like AB, but in BC ... well good luck with that in that disenfranchised and unionised environment, and one has to be a BCAS union worker FIRSTLY, the government plan is get the PCP = EMT to work in nursing homes to help " lift heavy things " then please in good consciousness factor in the huge turf wars to be overcome, I bet not in my lifetime. ... even though I am on the freedom 95 plan. Agreed an excellent concept in remote clinics such as in NS, my sources tell me a very healthy success for the Advanced Care Paramedic, then again they are not paid anywhere near as well as industrial settings. FACT: There is a mass exodus out of eastern Canada for the golden industrial goose out west, only to have them return disheartened with pocketbooks less then when they landed here ... be very aware of employers promising the stars, especially full time employment .. as that dawg just doesn't hunt due to this " freeze-up and break-up thingy we have " . cheers and good luck. Wilf Re: Canada Medics. > Jeff, > > Thanks for the heads-up man, I will visit the site and see what I can > find. That's a lot of cash per day, more than most. > > Do medics work in hospitals in Canada too? What sort of staff work in > acute care/emergency settings in Alberta? The standards seem quite high > and difficult to get any level of exchange... > > Will keep searching and let you know what I find, thanks again. > ------------------------------------ Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Editor: Ross Boardman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 OMG ..... frozen peanut butter is alive and well ? PM me and come visit for a brewsky, I just may have a cold one for you. I am on the injured list waiting for our fine canadian health care system to do some " knitting " in my AC joint .. got any good orthopods on your consult list ? btw Jim Stoodley aka " Sparky " is visiting to update ACLS in early sept, so party at the igloo and all welcome, Moose Steak and Arctic Char on the dinner menu. Perhaps a " B " shift " choir practice " is in order ? cheers Wilf Re: Canada Medics. Wilf, LOL I'm slower then a jar of peanut butter on a - 30 C winter day in the canadian north LOL, but really took the entire summer off ....... so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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