Guest guest Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 You are quite right the clinical bed is not part of the bed state. I will make this quite breif if they don't have a bed then they should stay on the beach. I don't know the circumstance you are working under but I would say you can have my cabin and what hotel have you booked me into until my cabin becomes available again. Regards Mike ________________________________ From: peter mitchell <treetop_bay@...> Sent: Sun, 26 September, 2010 3:17:46 Subject: Bed states at sea  Hello all,  A situation has arisen on this ship I am working where because of shabby planning and organisation the vessel has a full compliment of 57 people on board and now they wish to bring 2 extra people on so they are asking me to move out of my cabin and live in the clinic, I am in a single cabin and one of the extra pax will be sleeping on the floor of my cabin.  Is this legal or right as I was under the impression that the clinic bed was not part of the ships bed state.  Cheers  P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 I just went through the same thing on the rig I am on. We have a total bed compliment of 120 and shore base wanted to send an additional pax out. What I did manage to get through to them in the end was that according to the IMO and DNV certification of the rig, sending out the additional will be i direct contravention of the IMO regulations and the DNV certification. It might be worthwhile trying to get your hands on the IMO and DNV documents for your vessel (it should be on display in the bridge / rig office) and see what it has to say in there with regards to max pax. . Rgds J On 26 September 2010 15:57, Mike Elliott <grinton15@...> wrote: > > > You are quite right the clinical bed is not part of the bed state. I will > make > this quite breif if they don't have a bed then they should stay on the > beach. I > don't know the circumstance you are working under but I would say you can > have > my cabin and what hotel have you booked me into until my cabin becomes > available > again. > > Regards > Mike > > ________________________________ > From: peter mitchell <treetop_bay@... <treetop_bay%40.co.uk>> > <%40> > Sent: Sun, 26 September, 2010 3:17:46 > Subject: Bed states at sea > > > > Hello all, > > A situation has arisen on this ship I am working where because of shabby > planning and organisation the vessel has a full compliment of 57 people on > board > and now they wish to bring 2 extra people on so they are asking me to move > out > of my cabin and live in the clinic, I am in a single cabin and one of the > extra > pax will be sleeping on the floor of my cabin. > > Is this legal or right as I was under the impression that the clinic bed > was not > part of the ships bed state. > > Cheers > > P. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 Iam feeling your pain my friend. As of a month ago I was moved from my single man room to stay in the isolation room of our clinic here in Southern Iraq. Leaving the treatment bed open. We are currently at 146 pax and continue to increase. We are waiting for the Main Base camp to be completed and then will see where they put me. Iam sure bunk beds will be next for me. Good luck. > > > > > > > You are quite right the clinical bed is not part of the bed state. I will > > make > > this quite breif if they don't have a bed then they should stay on the > > beach. I > > don't know the circumstance you are working under but I would say you can > > have > > my cabin and what hotel have you booked me into until my cabin becomes > > available > > again. > > > > Regards > > Mike > > > > ________________________________ > > From: peter mitchell <treetop_bay@... <treetop_bay%40.co.uk>> > > To: <%40> > > Sent: Sun, 26 September, 2010 3:17:46 > > Subject: Bed states at sea > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > A situation has arisen on this ship I am working where because of shabby > > planning and organisation the vessel has a full compliment of 57 people on > > board > > and now they wish to bring 2 extra people on so they are asking me to move > > out > > of my cabin and live in the clinic, I am in a single cabin and one of the > > extra > > pax will be sleeping on the floor of my cabin. > > > > Is this legal or right as I was under the impression that the clinic bed > > was not > > part of the ships bed state. > > > > Cheers > > > > P. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 I used to have this problem but solved simply by removing the bed completely and replaced it with a singing & dancing examination couch - Ideal for day to day work + care for a critical patient..... But it is not a bed ! If they are not critical, they have there 'own' bed or I can move 'other crew' to have them facilitated in the cabin next door. Always a problem when the Master / OIM says " make it so " .... Ranting & raving about it may only see you replaced ! Brgds Marti H > > > > > > > You are quite right the clinical bed is not part of the bed state. I will > > make > > this quite breif if they don't have a bed then they should stay on the > > beach. I > > don't know the circumstance you are working under but I would say you can > > have > > my cabin and what hotel have you booked me into until my cabin becomes > > available > > again. > > > > Regards > > Mike > > > > ________________________________ > > From: peter mitchell <treetop_bay@... <treetop_bay%40.co.uk>> > > To: <%40> > > Sent: Sun, 26 September, 2010 3:17:46 > > Subject: Bed states at sea > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > A situation has arisen on this ship I am working where because of shabby > > planning and organisation the vessel has a full compliment of 57 people on > > board > > and now they wish to bring 2 extra people on so they are asking me to move > > out > > of my cabin and live in the clinic, I am in a single cabin and one of the > > extra > > pax will be sleeping on the floor of my cabin. > > > > Is this legal or right as I was under the impression that the clinic bed > > was not > > part of the ships bed state. > > > > Cheers > > > > P. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 You are absolutely right, the clinic beds are not for complement. Getting someone to care is frequently the more difficult part. However, assuming whoever has flagged your vessel is a signatory, a relevant document is Health Protection and Medical Care (Seafarers) Convention, 1987 under Article 11.9: " Hospital accommodation shall not be used for other than medical purposes. " I don't believe that is the only reference (I believe I've seen both IMO and DNV standards on the question) but I don't know where they might be offhand. Next, every vessel must have an accommodation plan, which details the number of personnel allowed aboard. This is determined by a bunch of factors, but any changes must be approved by flag. So if they say 60 pax, they can't shift you to the clinic and squeeze on 61. Austin On Sep 26, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Rundle wrote: > I just went through the same thing on the rig I am on. We have a total bed > compliment of 120 and shore base wanted to send an additional pax out. What > I did manage to get through to them in the end was that according to the IMO > and DNV certification of the rig, sending out the additional will be i > direct contravention of the IMO regulations and the DNV certification. It > might be worthwhile trying to get your hands on the IMO and DNV documents > for your vessel (it should be on display in the bridge / rig office) and > see what it has to say in there with regards to max pax. . > > Rgds > > J > > On 26 September 2010 15:57, Mike Elliott <grinton15@...> wrote: > > > > > > > You are quite right the clinical bed is not part of the bed state. I will > > make > > this quite breif if they don't have a bed then they should stay on the > > beach. I > > don't know the circumstance you are working under but I would say you can > > have > > my cabin and what hotel have you booked me into until my cabin becomes > > available > > again. > > > > Regards > > Mike > > > > ________________________________ > > From: peter mitchell <treetop_bay@... <treetop_bay%40.co.uk>> > > To: <%40> > > Sent: Sun, 26 September, 2010 3:17:46 > > Subject: Bed states at sea > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > A situation has arisen on this ship I am working where because of shabby > > planning and organisation the vessel has a full compliment of 57 people on > > board > > and now they wish to bring 2 extra people on so they are asking me to move > > out > > of my cabin and live in the clinic, I am in a single cabin and one of the > > extra > > pax will be sleeping on the floor of my cabin. > > > > Is this legal or right as I was under the impression that the clinic bed > > was not > > part of the ships bed state. > > > > Cheers > > > > P. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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