Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 'vegetables' is a horticultural definition. botanically - what we generally eat are either the leaves [spinach, lettuce etc.] stems [rhubarb, celery sticks etc.] roots, sometimes the flowers but mostly the swollen ovaries of the plant - the 'fruit' -- cucumbers, apples, tomatoes and so on. Dedy Re: body ecology diet > " huh? watermelon is full of seeds. how can it not be a fruit? " > > http://www.watermelon.org/index.asp > " Watermelon's official name is Citrullus lanatus of the botanical family > Curcurbitacae and it is a vegetable! It is related to cucumbers, pumpkins > and squash. " > This has always confused me, why is a tomato a fruit, but cucumber, pumpkins squash etc aren't? This is the first time I've heard that watermelons aren't a fruit - does this apply to honeydew, galia, canteloupe etc as well? Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2003 Report Share Posted June 30, 2003 In a message dated 6/27/03 8:41:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, allenerob@... writes: > suze reported (thank you, suze) that gates made fair mention of > coconut products at the WAPF conference, although scant mention of > coconut oil is made in the bk. at what stage are they allowed? do we > have to do a liver cleansing first? i would like to start making > coconut kefir. > interesting. haven't read her book, but when she was talking at the conference about the autistic kids she treats, she said raw butter was integral to the plan, and it is one of three foods (one is fat-free, kefired coconut water, don't remember the other one) she uses. she doesn't use the butter however, until some damage has been repaired in the intestine by the kefired coconut water. > and she doesn't seem to mention watermelon, a vegetable often > considered a fruit. i want to eat my watermelon! huh? watermelon is full of seeds. how can it not be a fruit? chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 In a message dated 6/30/03 11:09:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, minatoneshoba@... writes: > http://www.watermelon.org/index.asp > " Watermelon's official name is Citrullus lanatus of the botanical family > Curcurbitacae and it is a vegetable! It is related to cucumbers, pumpkins > and squash. " Yeah, those are fruits. Just like a tomato is a fruit. According to Webster, " the edible part of a plant or tree consisting of the seeds and pulpy surrounding tissues: usually distinguished from _vegetable_ only when the latter also consists of leaves, root, etc. " or, " in botany, the mature ovary of aplant or tree, incluidng the seed, its envelope and any closely connected parts, as the pit and flesh of a peach, or a pea and its pod. " Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 " huh? watermelon is full of seeds. how can it not be a fruit? " http://www.watermelon.org/index.asp " Watermelon's official name is Citrullus lanatus of the botanical family Curcurbitacae and it is a vegetable! It is related to cucumbers, pumpkins and squash. " RVT, VDT Mailto: MinatoNeshoba@... Owner/Moderator: NaturalFerret (Zone 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 allenerob wrote: > in her bk, donna gates advises keeping fats (even the good ones, > although she makes minimal mention of the good ones) to a minimum. i > understand that this is important for those with liver problems. so, > should one start with a liver cleansing? or should one take lipase > prior to the liver cleansing? You know, not everybody agrees that those with liver problems require limiting dietary fats: - http://ahoa.org.au/faq/faq.html: " Only fats with the length of the chain above 10 carbon atoms are suitable to be utilised by our cells and tissues without conversion. These fats are directed straight to the blood stream via the lymphatic system, and they do not have to be converted and made suitable by the liver, as is the case with inferior fats (with shorter chains), or all other constituents of consumed and digested foods. Long chain fatty acids are the best medication for those suffering from liver diseases. Chemically and factually long chain fatty acids are the best " fuel " for our bodies. " - http://ahoa.org.au/medical/contradictions.html: " Triglycerides (fat) absorbed in the digestive system are generally NOT intercepted by the liver and therefore spare (protect) the liver, unlike carbohydrates and proteins, which have to be metabolised. Yet ..we are constantly told that fats are overloading the liver. The so-called " fatty liver " develops exclusively from the over-consumption of glucose or alcohol. " - http://www.ahoa.org.au/cgi-bin/cgiforum.pl?action=showentry & thesection=default & e\ ntry=498 & start=-1 & end=0 Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote: > interesting. haven't read her book, but when she was talking at the > conference about the autistic kids she treats, she said raw butter was integral to the > plan, and it is one of three foods (one is fat-free, kefired coconut water, > don't remember the other one) she uses. she doesn't use the butter however, > until some damage has been repaired in the intestine by the kefired coconut > water. Hmm... aren't carbs harder on the intestine? Why limit fat to heal the gut? Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 In a message dated 7/1/03 2:09:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, romeml@... writes: > Hmm... aren't carbs harder on the intestine? Why limit fat to heal the gut? i have no idea. but it is pretty low-carb. the coconut water is fermented for the sake of elimiting the sugar. chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 In a message dated 7/1/03 2:09:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, romeml@... writes: > Hmm... aren't carbs harder on the intestine? Why limit fat to heal the gut? oh, by the way, it might have some relation to autistic kids inability to digest milk. i guess it is casein that is the problem, and casein is pretty negligible in butter, but that may or may not be related. chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 > " huh? watermelon is full of seeds. how can it not be a fruit? " > > http://www.watermelon.org/index.asp > " Watermelon's official name is Citrullus lanatus of the botanical family > Curcurbitacae and it is a vegetable! It is related to cucumbers, pumpkins > and squash. " > This has always confused me, why is a tomato a fruit, but cucumber, pumpkins squash etc aren't? This is the first time I've heard that watermelons aren't a fruit - does this apply to honeydew, galia, canteloupe etc as well? Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 > >> " huh? watermelon is full of seeds. how can it not be a fruit? " >> >> <http://www.watermelon.org/index.asp>http://www.watermelon.org/index.asp >> " Watermelon's official name is Citrullus lanatus of the botanical >family >> Curcurbitacae and it is a vegetable! It is related to cucumbers, >pumpkins >> and squash. " >> > >This has always confused me, why is a tomato a fruit, but cucumber, >pumpkins squash etc aren't? This is the first time I've heard that >watermelons aren't a fruit - does this apply to honeydew, galia, >canteloupe etc as well? > >Jo The curcubits are in the same botanical family because of their vining growth, seeded fruit and susceptibility to catch the same diseases. Powdery mildew for one. A vegetable with seeds is the fruit of the plant Go figure! Is much clearer with like the brassica family where cabbage, brussels sprouts, cauliflower and broccoli don't have whats considered a fruit in the family. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 In a message dated 7/2/03 3:23:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jopollack2001@... writes: > This has always confused me, why is a tomato a fruit, but cucumber, > pumpkins squash etc aren't? This is the first time I've heard that > watermelons aren't a fruit - does this apply to honeydew, galia, > canteloupe etc as well? Because all of the above are fruit. Unless you are on the Reagan Diet. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 jopollack2001 wrote: > This has always confused me, why is a tomato a fruit, but cucumber, > pumpkins squash etc aren't? This is the first time I've heard that > watermelons aren't a fruit - does this apply to honeydew, galia, > canteloupe etc as well? Even U.S. Supreme Court has been involved in this -- http://www.howstuffworks.com/question143.htm Technically, tomatoes are fruits, but according to the U.S. Supreme Court, they are vegetables. Watermelons must be fruits. Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 <<<<Even U.S. Supreme Court has been involved in this -- http://www.howstuffworks.com/question143.htm Technically, tomatoes are fruits, but according to the U.S. Supreme Court, they are vegetables. Watermelons must be fruits.>>>> ---->i think we should let the judicial system determine that. ;-) Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Thanks for the info, . I'm glad I asked because it sounds like this book would have been a waste of money for me. >, >I've read BED. It can be useful if the information applies to you. > >It's directed to people who are dealing with candida. > >Nutshell: (as much as I remember) add cultured foods and cut sugars. > >Donna Gates has been significantly influenced by macrobiotics--and her >recipes reflect this--so some stuff may not jibe with you, depending >on your own opinions. > >She thinks women should reduce salt in their diet, for one. > >If you are not dealing with candida, not much of a reason to read it, >get _Wild Fermentation_instead, maybe, if you just wish to buy a book. > B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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