Re: Atten-Roman: Physical training; was NT, weight gain, thyroid

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Roman,

I looked into his website. Quite interesting. Have you tried the situps he

recommends? I have been doing regular crunches and leg lifts for over a year

with very little results. Although I don't strain or overdo it-maybe I should!!

After 3 pregnancies I'm starting to think that it's a hopeless endeavor. But,

it does hurt doing them and I am a bit of a wimp, so I'm probably not doing

enough.

Jafa

Roman <romeml@...> wrote:

Heidi Schuppenhauer wrote:

> I did " light weights " for a long time until I read an article about how

> they used heavy weights (so the person can't do more than 8 reps), with

> only one set, on elderly women. And they got great results! Using light

> weights and resistence bands on the old ladies did not much good at all,

> but the heavy weights helped with arthritis etc. and they had some who

> could barely move, climbing stairs in a week or two.

Wow! I didn't know the difference between approaches was that big.

> I get 200% better results doing my little 5 reps very slowly (count 8 up,

> count 8 down, until you *can't* do any more) than I ever did doing 3 sets

> of 20. It is much, much harder though -- I groan a lot.

I've listened to interviews with Pavel Tsatsouline (you can find his books at

http://www.dragondoor.com/) and attended his workshop. He used to train Soviet

Specnaz, which is similar to a SWAT team (and they, of course, need more

strength than muscle mass) in the USA, and he trains SWAT teams here now. He

recommends tensing the whole body when doing lifting or other resistance

exercises. As it is tension that stimulates muscles to becomes stronger, tensing

all muscles as much as you can makes exercises more effective. And harder too.

Roman

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Jafa Sum wrote:

> Roman,

>

> I looked into his website. Quite interesting. Have you tried the situps he

recommends? I have been doing regular crunches and leg lifts for over a year

with very little results. Although I don't strain or overdo it-maybe I should!!

After 3 pregnancies I'm starting to think that it's a hopeless endeavor. But,

it does hurt doing them and I am a bit of a wimp, so I'm probably not doing

enough.

>

> Jafa

I have -- during the workshop with him I attended. They were much more difficult

to do (less time consuming) than regular situps. I've shown them to my nephew

who's been wasting time (in my opinion) with SmartAbs. He was sure (because of a

TV commercial he'd seen) that the gimmick was effective. Yet, he couldn't do

even a single situp the way Tsatsouline showed.

I don't do them because they require either a partner or a special tool, and I

don't have either. But I do other exercises that I am sure are better than

regular situps. I don't feel like doing hundreds of situps for 20 minutes. I

prefer high tension exercises that last only a few seconds.

Roman

[Guest guest]

Did your nephew switch over to Tsat. type of situps. I'm wondering about the

results?

And what about the scarring mentioned occurs from heavy weight lifting low

reps? Have you heard of this situation before or read it anywhere?

Thanks,

Jafa

Roman <romeml@...> wrote:

Jafa Sum wrote:

> Roman,

>

> I looked into his website. Quite interesting. Have you tried the situps he

recommends? I have been doing regular crunches and leg lifts for over a year

with very little results. Although I don't strain or overdo it-maybe I should!!

After 3 pregnancies I'm starting to think that it's a hopeless endeavor. But,

it does hurt doing them and I am a bit of a wimp, so I'm probably not doing

enough.

>

> Jafa

I have -- during the workshop with him I attended. They were much more difficult

to do (less time consuming) than regular situps. I've shown them to my nephew

who's been wasting time (in my opinion) with SmartAbs. He was sure (because of a

TV commercial he'd seen) that the gimmick was effective. Yet, he couldn't do

even a single situp the way Tsatsouline showed.

I don't do them because they require either a partner or a special tool, and I

don't have either. But I do other exercises that I am sure are better than

regular situps. I don't feel like doing hundreds of situps for 20 minutes. I

prefer high tension exercises that last only a few seconds.

Roman

[Guest guest]

Jafa Sum wrote:

> Did your nephew switch over to Tsat. type of situps. I'm wondering about the

results?

>

> And what about the scarring mentioned occurs from heavy weight lifting

low reps? Have you heard of this situation before or read it anywhere?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jafa

I haven't asked him about it.

I have never heard about what is talking about. Of course, I'd heard about

micro tears but not about scarring or subsequent damages to internal organs. I

am very skeptical about Body Electronics. See An Overview of Body Electronics:

Effectiveness and Controversies

(http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/healing-body-electronics.html). I hope BE system

turns out as effective as hopes for, but I think it will be a

disappointment for him.

Roman

[Guest guest]

Jafa,

I looked at this site and couldn't find any recommended situps, but I did

download the Beyond Crunches (?) video sample and started laughing when I

saw what he did. I don't think I could ever get to that point. I'm pretty

sure I would be hospitalized if I tried some of those moves! :-)

Michele in WA

> Roman,

>

> I looked into his website. Quite interesting. Have you tried the situps

he recommends? I have been doing regular crunches and leg lifts for over a

year with very little results. Although I don't strain or overdo it-maybe I

should!! After 3 pregnancies I'm starting to think that it's a hopeless

endeavor. But, it does hurt doing them and I am a bit of a wimp, so I'm

probably not doing enough.

>

> Jafa

>

>

[Guest guest]

Michele Rowley wrote:

> Jafa,

> I looked at this site and couldn't find any recommended situps, but I did

> download the Beyond Crunches (?) video sample and started laughing when I

> saw what he did. I don't think I could ever get to that point. I'm pretty

> sure I would be hospitalized if I tried some of those moves! :-)

>

> Michele in WA

Would you please forward the link to the video?

Roman

[Guest guest]

http://www.dragondoor.com/v90.html

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From: " Roman " <romeml@...>

>

> Would you please forward the link to the video?

>

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Michele Rowley wrote:

> Jafa,

> I looked at this site and couldn't find any recommended situps, but I did

> download the Beyond Crunches (?) video sample and started laughing when I

> saw what he did. I don't think I could ever get to that point. I'm pretty

> sure I would be hospitalized if I tried some of those moves! :-)

I just looked at it (http://www.dragondoor.com/v90.html). I can do the exercise

with the wheel. Very powerful exercise! When I find a suitable bench, I'll try

what Pavel did on the bench.

I think the exercise I've described earlier is also very powerful. It's the one

where you keep the right angle above the ground by supporting yourself with arms

(only hands touching the ground). I think any exercise that requires maximum

tension is very powerful. Much more so at developing strength than doing

something easy 500 times a day.

Jafa, I've asked my nephew about doing the improved situp, and he said he hasn't

been doing it. He can't believe that something that is done for only a few

seconds a day can be more effective at strengthening muscles than 300 situps a

day. Even though he has been doing that much situps for some time, he couldn't

do a *single* improved situp. He could barely raise a part of his back off the

floor for a short time. Yet, he believes that more and longer is better. But

he's only 14; hopefully, wisdom will come to him.

Roman

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From: " Roman " <romeml@...>

> I just looked at it (http://www.dragondoor.com/v90.html). I can do the

exercise with the wheel. Very powerful exercise! When I find a suitable

bench, I'll try what Pavel did on the bench.

>

I was thinking more about the one on the bench, then I realized that

Austin's Pilates Total body Workout tape does something very similar to that

on the floor using an exercise band for assistance. (Maybe someday I could

do it without assistance). She doesn't do tons of reps and does alot of

slow, more difficult moves that probably give similar results.

Michele

[Guest guest]

Roman,

Do you think the situps would be too difficult for a person used to doing a

small amount of regular type situps-namely crunches. Might you recommend

someone who offers something in way of sit ups and strength for the beginner?

Also, I am concerned about straining and injuring muscles from doing the high

intensity low rep weights. I don't know at this time about the truth to the

scarring of muscles from doing this. I will assume it is not a problem. It's

just that I have heard from many many people how heavy weights can cause

injuries, but from what I have read so far, it appears that some consider it to

be more gentle; as in the example of the elderly doing superslow. Do you have

an explanation for this.

Thanks,

jafa

Thanks,

Jafa

Roman <romeml@...> wrote:

Jafa Sum wrote:

> Roman,

>

> I looked into his website. Quite interesting. Have you tried the situps he

recommends? I have been doing regular crunches and leg lifts for over a year

with very little results. Although I don't strain or overdo it-maybe I should!!

After 3 pregnancies I'm starting to think that it's a hopeless endeavor. But,

it does hurt doing them and I am a bit of a wimp, so I'm probably not doing

enough.

>

> Jafa

I have -- during the workshop with him I attended. They were much more difficult

to do (less time consuming) than regular situps. I've shown them to my nephew

who's been wasting time (in my opinion) with SmartAbs. He was sure (because of a

TV commercial he'd seen) that the gimmick was effective. Yet, he couldn't do

even a single situp the way Tsatsouline showed.

I don't do them because they require either a partner or a special tool, and I

don't have either. But I do other exercises that I am sure are better than

regular situps. I don't feel like doing hundreds of situps for 20 minutes. I

prefer high tension exercises that last only a few seconds.

Roman

[Guest guest]

Jafa Sum wrote:

> Roman,

>

> Do you think the situps would be too difficult for a person used to doing a

small amount of regular type situps-namely crunches. Might you recommend

someone who offers something in way of sit ups and strength for the beginner?

Even if you can't do one rep, it doesn't matter because it's tension in the

muscles due to trying that matter and make them stronger. When you learned to

walk, there was time when you couldn't, wasn't there?

> Also, I am concerned about straining and injuring muscles from doing the high

intensity low rep weights. I don't know at this time about the truth to the

scarring of muscles from doing this. I will assume it is not a problem. It's

just that I have heard from many many people how heavy weights can cause

injuries, but from what I have read so far, it appears that some consider it to

be more gentle; as in the example of the elderly doing superslow. Do you have

an explanation for this.

I am an expert on this. Tsatsouline claims that higher weight/low rep (NOT to

failure) is safer than lower weight high rep done till failure because you are

able to do them correctly. I think it's wise to learn how to perform these

exercises with lower weights first, just to get down the form. Then increase the

weight until it gets to the what you want it to be.

Regarding injuring muscles, I think that if you allow enough rest for your

muscles, this shouldn't be a problem. Perhaps, what Chris's teacher observed was

happened to bodybuilders who are known to live in gyms, exercising all the time,

including nights (I've read recommendations like). They worship(ed) muscle tear

to stimulate hypertrophy. But what Tsatsouline recommends is 2 to 3 time a week.

You should listen to your body. I'd think if your muscles are still sore, give

them more time. If you don't, this will the same as what chronic stress is to

us, in general. It wears out our organism instead of making us stronger (in the

long run).

Roman