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Watch out South Africans)))) ) Uh...ouch! Blow to the kidney.

As you said, Quality vs Quantity...medic, nurse, paramedic, it is all the same

to me, but it makes me want to breast-feed crocodiles when some companies pays

less than half of what they really earn for the likes of us, especially if it is

in hostile environments like Iraq.

I suppose it is the luck of the draw, however, I do wonder, how the quality of

the clinic reflect on this...box of plasters, bottle of Asprin...anything more

than that, might end up at the US Military A & E Department anyway, if you are

lucky enough to be an expat?

[Remotemedics. co.uk] Re: Iraq Medic Positions

Sadly, there are a lot of people in the world (the U.S. particularly)

who will jump at that type of money. There are just too many 'medics

on land in the U.S. who are seriously underpaid, so for them to come

out and work in any of the remote areas is a huge pay raise (even if

they are underpaid for the area they're working.) Generally speaking

that means that the less- (or un-) qualified are getting jobs, but it

seems most employers don't really care about the quality of the

employee: They just want National Registry and a pulse and you're

golden.

Austin

On Mar 4, 2007, at 2:38 AM, Plyler wrote:

> What are the detais.. this works out to 180 GBPs, boys... that

> would be ok for static in camp positions if it were every day

> including leave. But if not, you US guys this is real low on the

> pay scale.

>

> Mike

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Watch out South Africans)))) ) Uh...ouch! Blow to the kidney.

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Euh !

It was meant as compliment

SA Medics

Probably have the best salary-experience ratio

Euh !!!

Best for the employer though

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I'm hoping I am misreading your mail, as it sounds to me as if you

are trying to say U.S. EMS is stuck in the 70s?

***********************

I THINK YOU DID

But you must know what I am referring to

The EMT-B course is still 120 hours

You can still get a 400-600 EMT-I courses

I bet you can still get a 600 hour EMT-P course

Your vollie Lobby as a large part of the responsibility in keeping these course

very accessible

Also

You have NO recognized critical care paramedic course

Other than in-house training for Medevac Medics

I would take offense to that statement on behalf of the many quality

providers here in the States.

****************************

Don't take it personnaly

In fact in the states co-exist the super competant with the super-minimal

Nirmaly a sign of the absence or weakness of a system~model

There are certainly regions of the U.S. and specific programs that

could use improvement, and I am never against raising the standards

for anyone in the medical field--particularly with regard to remote

'medics--however to make the implication that the skills and training

of the U.S. 'medics have slipped behind the " first world " standards

would be a gross misstatement--

************************

Not slipped NO

But other countries have taken the US model and improved on it

Some times a lot

in fact in a number of regards the

U.S. still maintains leadership in the prehospital care arena.

****************************

As individual systems are involved, certainly

As the whole of the USA

I don't see it that way

With that said, Paramedics are training to be prehospital providers, with

the assumption that they will after a short or medium amount of time

turn that patient over to a higher level provider, and are generally

unprepared to work offshore or on remote sites--Primary Care isn't

part of the job description.

**************************

That's relatively universal

Britain as a serious Paramedic " extended provider " course

But that is the exception

Otherwise their exist the corsstrained RN-Medic

Or some of the higher level of Military Medic seem to more goal centered

And this is without mentionning the NPs or PAs

The problem arises for us that there are no real " qualifications " to

be an offshore or remote provider. The majority of companies first

choose based on COST then on QUALIFICATIONS. They will hire a well-

qualified individual only if he will cost no more (or marginally so)

then an under-qualified individual. It is often viewed (like the

original posting) that a " qualified " person is anyone with National

Registry--ignoring the fact that National Registry is not a very

difficult test nor has anything to do with the offshore/remote field.

National Registry Paramedic has been judged as the " standard " . I

don't really feel the British system of a three week course should

really be the end-all of qualifications, as a system it has the

advantage of setting the bar HIGHER then normal as well as offering

some specific training to the arena.

**********************************

Makes me think of the US Certified Emergency Nurse or Certified Flight Paramedic

certifications

These are not courses or programs

But

Merely a certifying body

Able to acknowledge what ever on and off the job experience and education that

you an individual as attained

The job in question will almost surely receive more then enough

applicants for the position, however as everyone else has stated the

money is TERRIBLE for Iraq--regardless of being a " safe job " in camp.

******************************

And herein lies the biggest difference between the States and other countries

The Trust on the individual and the free markets

As opposed to higher regards for " academia " and strong State regulation and

intervention

The relative level of danger overall has increased, rather then

decreased, and will likely only continue to get worse as time goes

on. The OP makes a good point about only being able to get what money

his company is offered, so it's not necessarily his fault (unless

there is a lot of skimming going on, which is a possibility), but you

do get what you pay for.

***********************

Universaly

It's much easier to count the initial monetary costs

Than evaluate ALL the final costs

Namely

Getting away with not having(rarely) to pay for

Pain, suffering, morbidity, mortality, bandonnement, medical negligence, etc

CCEMT-P

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Butch, please find attached my CV, with great interest in this project. I am not

working at the moment, and if they are prepared to take Australian Operators, i

can deploy in days.Mate, if you could respond to me ASAP, that would be greatly

appreciated.

Thanks

Clinton ware

Remote Area Paramedic

" Randy A. " <upcmedic@...> wrote:

Hello All,

Greetings. I have just been made aware of an RFQ for 8 medics. They are

looking for Nationally Registered Paramedics from the States. Prefer

one year prior experience in that country. Likely will pay $350 a day.

The initial contract period is around 60 days with a very likely

renewal period. The Gov does that sometimes.

Is there anyone in the Iraq theater already that is interested? We need

to staff 8 clinic sites on a variety of military bases. One medic per

clinic. Work 7 days a week. Available around the clock for sick call

and emergencies. That is the norm for this type of position.

More info to follow over the weekend. This is a stat project.

Send your CV to me if you are interested and available.

Butch RN, EMTP

Project Manager

MedExpress Clinic

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Clinton,

Consider yourself responded to and thank you kindly for your interest. My hope

is that if we are frugal, we can will the bid and everyone goes home happy and

alive. Will update you as the project moves forward. The award will be given out

this week so will pass that info along to you.

Cheers

Butch

Randy A. " Butch " RN, EMTP

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MedStaff Inc.

U.S. Cell: 573-631-5561

U.S. Home Office: 318-443-4532

Iraqna: 0790-451-8205

Dubai: (00965) 751-2835

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Butch, please find attached my CV, with great interest in this project. I am not

working at the moment, and if they are prepared to take Australian Operators, i

can deploy in days.Mate, if you could respond to me ASAP, that would be greatly

appreciated.

Thanks

Clinton ware

Remote Area Paramedic

" Randy A. " <upcmedic (DOT) com> wrote:

Hello All,

Greetings. I have just been made aware of an RFQ for 8 medics. They are

looking for Nationally Registered Paramedics from the States. Prefer

one year prior experience in that country. Likely will pay $350 a day.

The initial contract period is around 60 days with a very likely

renewal period. The Gov does that sometimes.

Is there anyone in the Iraq theater already that is interested? We need

to staff 8 clinic sites on a variety of military bases. One medic per

clinic. Work 7 days a week. Available around the clock for sick call

and emergencies. That is the norm for this type of position.

More info to follow over the weekend. This is a stat project.

Send your CV to me if you are interested and available.

Butch RN, EMTP

Project Manager

MedExpress Clinic

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Hey ,

You're from Canada, no?

Where did you receive your paramedic training? How about your CCEMT-P

cert?

Thanks,

Larry

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>

>

> I'm hoping I am misreading your mail, as it sounds to me as if you

> are trying to say U.S. EMS is stuck in the 70s?

> ***********************

> I THINK YOU DID

> But you must know what I am referring to

> The EMT-B course is still 120 hours

> You can still get a 400-600 EMT-I courses

> I bet you can still get a 600 hour EMT-P course

> Your vollie Lobby as a large part of the responsibility in keeping

> these course very accessible

> Also You have NO recognized critical care paramedic course

> Other than in-house training for Medevac Medics...

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Unfortunately, quite a number of ' remarks were equally

inaccurate.

LT

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> " British system of a three week course " - sorry but you got that

> wrong, took me three and a half years in the London Ambulance

> service to get my paramedic qualification and state registration.

> It takes a year and a half to qualify as an EMT in an UK ambulance

> service. Apart from first having to gain your EMT, then on the

> road experience prior to applying for the paramedic course, then

> the pre course learning, then the taught/classroom module, you

> then have to spend four weeks in a hospital -

> theatres/ITU/Accident and emergency dept before qualifying so your

> quote about the British 3 week course is way off the mark.

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,

I'm going to be nice here and politely ask that you refrain from

calling US (or any other nationality's) medics " short-course, dime-a-

dozen " medics and similar insults. From this and past posts you

clearly don't have a good understanding of EMS in the US, so I'll just

try to consider the source.

Your opinions are your own and you're free to have them. Maybe you

should keep them. But what's the point of being insulting and

intentionally inflammatory in this venue?

Regards,

Larry

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>

>

> Sadly, there are a lot of people in the world (the U.S.

> particularly)

> who will jump at that type of money. There are just too many

> 'medics

> on land in the U.S. who are seriously underpaid, so for them to

> come

> out and work in any of the remote areas is a huge pay raise (even

> if

> they are underpaid for the area they're working.) Generally

> speaking

> that means that the less- (or un-) qualified are getting jobs, but

> it

> seems most employers don't really care about the quality of the

> employee: They just want National Registry and a pulse and you're

> golden.

>

> Austin

>

>

> On Mar 4, 2007, at 2:38 AM, Plyler wrote:

>

> > What are the detais.. this works out to 180 GBPs, boys... that

> > would be ok for static in camp positions if it were every day

> > including leave. But if not, you US guys this is real low on the

>

> > pay scale.

> >

> > Mike

>

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This being a Remote Medics mailing list I would have hoped that you

would have realized I was speaking of the UK HSE's Offshore Medic

course, which takes roughly three weeks to complete. Rereading my

original post, I can understand why it may be read that way.

I'm trying to call an apple an apple here and not compare the

relative competencies of a US to UK Paramedic, as while paperwork

intensive, a US Paramedic can get reciprocity into the UK, and I

imagine it is probably similar to go in the same direction. I don't

particularly care to compare the backgrounds of the individuals

because (a) in the U.S. there is the potential for it to vary wildly,

and (B) the end result is similar in skills and qualifications.

Austin

On Mar 4, 2007, at 12:50 PM, J BROOME wrote:

> " British system of a three week course " - sorry but you got that

> wrong, took me three and a half years in the London Ambulance

> service to get my paramedic qualification and state registration.

> It takes a year and a half to qualify as an EMT in an UK ambulance

> service. Apart from first having to gain your EMT, then on the road

> experience prior to applying for the paramedic course, then the pre

> course learning, then the taught/classroom module, you then have to

> spend four weeks in a hospital - theatres/ITU/Accident and

> emergency dept before qualifying so your quote about the British 3

> week course is way off the mark.

> A Austin <abaustin+groups@...> wrote:

>> The problem arises for us that there are no real " qualifications " to

>> be an offshore or remote provider. The majority of companies first

>> choose based on COST then on QUALIFICATIONS. They will hire a well-

>> qualified individual only if he will cost no more (or marginally so)

>> then an under-qualified individual. It is often viewed (like the

>> original posting) that a " qualified " person is anyone with National

>> Registry--ignoring the fact that National Registry is not a very

>> difficult test nor has anything to do with the offshore/remote field.

>> National Registry Paramedic has been judged as the " standard " . I

>> don't really feel the British system of a three week course should

>> really be the end-all of qualifications, as a system it has the

>> advantage of setting the bar HIGHER then normal as well as offering

>> some specific training to the arena.

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Hey Guys ! ! !

I AM an AMERICAN Medic ! ! !

I Am insulting myself ! ?

NOT ! ! !

I am merely commenting on realities (All general, perfect and imperfect that

they may be)

It is MY opinion

No big deal

Perhaps

My mom was right when she said :

If you do not have anything good to say

Don't say anything

But

BUT

The level of EMS

Training, Skills, Philosophy

Is ALWAYS worht talking about on this list

First rule on the lists

DON'T take it personnaly

Somewhere down the list

Is :

Stick to the list's line of interest/subjects

I am not being perfect

But I am doing OK on this tread

(see comments inserted)

Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions

,

I'm going to be nice here and politely ask that you refrain from

calling US (or any other nationality's) medics " short-course, dime-a-

dozen " medics and similar insults.

***************************

FACT

The US courses are short

You are just bareley starting to have shortages of Medics

Most probably because of salary issues more than hardship of academic access

Please correct me if my analysis is flawed

From this and past posts you

clearly don't have a good understanding of EMS in the US, so I'll just

try to consider the source.

********************

Possible (Paramedic NE Univ 1986, NREMT-P, NYS, NYC MAC, Massachussetts,

Pennsylvania, New-Jersey EMT-P, Philadelphia FireMedic, USA, ATLS, PHTLS, PALS &

ACLS Instructor, HUP HyperBaric tech, Medic Veteran Stadium... moult Medevacs in

a wide and varied regions of the USA)

On the other hand

I have a much better understanding of non US EMSs

Your opinions are your own and you're free to have them. Maybe you

should keep them. But what's the point of being insulting and

intentionally inflammatory in this venue?

*************************

Intentions are neutral

You can at the very least accused me of not thinking about others before writing

For that I apologise

Take it as a compliment also

That I thought the list secure enough in their knowledge

.... to be able to discuss more sensitive (important) issues

This said

The US model may be

In the end superior to the over " Academised " foreign models

For the EMT-B level

Personnaly (IMHO) I do not think a one year or 2 year course appropriate

In the same breath

I can assure that such courses thins out the rank of EMTs

And jacks the salaries (As an EMT I have no problem with that... but as a US

over-taxed US citizen I would be concerned))))

Otherwise

Personnaly

What do YOU think of a 120-200 hr EMT-B course

What you insult anybody by saying what you think ! ?

I hope not ?

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Unfortunately, quite a number of ' remarks were equally

inaccurate.

***************************************

Larry

Please

I hat to be wrong

Especially if I am going to be insulting in the process

Seriously

I really mean what I am saying

So help me here

Cut and paste the more questionable remarks

And attack those with all your heart's content

We (I) will be more knowledgeable and Humble for it

Cheers

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The CCEMT-P is an interesting 2 week course (UMBC, 9th class, 1986)

Not a critical care Medic makes

Judging on your own previous errudite posts

You must agree that all this excellent experience/judgement/knowledge

Depended a lot on your own excellent individual efforts

Or a lot form your individual organization/employer

It's at the State or National level that the Education standards are not High

nor well defined

Note here

That I am not saying that IT should be that way

Merely that it is

Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions

>

>

> I'm hoping I am misreading your mail, as it sounds to me as if you

> are trying to say U.S. EMS is stuck in the 70s?

> ***********************

> I THINK YOU DID

> But you must know what I am referring to

> The EMT-B course is still 120 hours

> You can still get a 400-600 EMT-I courses

> I bet you can still get a 600 hour EMT-P course

> Your vollie Lobby as a large part of the responsibility in keeping

> these course very accessible

> Also You have NO recognized critical care paramedic course

> Other than in-house training for Medevac Medics...

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And on a more positive note...books/manuals, you may need to take with you if

you are striving to be a budding Remote Medic, anyone, add as you like;

1) Merck Manual Diagnosis and Treatment

2) ABC ENT, Eyes...most of them

3) Clinical Examination...there are some god ones with photos to show you what

to look for. Also how to use an ENT set properly

4) US Special Forces (SOF)...has some good stuff.

5) A good compact Drug Guide...MIMS, not the huge one I made a mistake on buying

once. I like the British one better.

6) Oxford Handbook of A & E, Tropical and maybe Clinical Medicine

7) A prayer book for, when the dung really hits the fan...

And if you still have space in your suitcase, a pair of cool looking Oakley's...

Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Re: Iraq Medic Positions

,

I'm going to be nice here and politely ask that you refrain from

calling US (or any other nationality' s) medics " short-course, dime-a-

dozen " medics and similar insults.

************ ********* ******

FACT

The US courses are short

You are just bareley starting to have shortages of Medics

Most probably because of salary issues more than hardship of academic access

Please correct me if my analysis is flawed

From this and past posts you

clearly don't have a good understanding of EMS in the US, so I'll just

try to consider the source.

************ ********

Possible (Paramedic NE Univ 1986, NREMT-P, NYS, NYC MAC, Massachussetts,

Pennsylvania, New-Jersey EMT-P, Philadelphia FireMedic, USA, ATLS, PHTLS, PALS &

ACLS Instructor, HUP HyperBaric tech, Medic Veteran Stadium... moult Medevacs in

a wide and varied regions of the USA)

On the other hand

I have a much better understanding of non US EMSs

Your opinions are your own and you're free to have them. Maybe you

should keep them. But what's the point of being insulting and

intentionally inflammatory in this venue?

************ ********* ****

Intentions are neutral

You can at the very least accused me of not thinking about others before writing

For that I apologise

Take it as a compliment also

That I thought the list secure enough in their knowledge

.... to be able to discuss more sensitive (important) issues

This said

The US model may be

In the end superior to the over " Academised " foreign models

For the EMT-B level

Personnaly (IMHO) I do not think a one year or 2 year course appropriate

In the same breath

I can assure that such courses thins out the rank of EMTs

And jacks the salaries (As an EMT I have no problem with that... but as a US

over-taxed US citizen I would be concerned))) )

Otherwise

Personnaly

What do YOU think of a 120-200 hr EMT-B course

What you insult anybody by saying what you think ! ?

I hope not ?

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You won't hear me arguing about raising standards, I am always in

favor of having better training <anything>. However, I think the

point needs to be raised that the training that MOST 'medics receive

prior to getting their card is appropriate and adequately prepares

them to BEGIN the job. I think most need some additional seasoning in

the form of a ride-along at the specific place they are hired for 30

to 60 days, but after that they are what you'd expect: new 'medics.

True understanding begins to come after you've done the job--just

like anything else. (We don't have the luxury of a 3-6 year OJT

period like physicians.)

I could go on at length regarding the education of Paramedics in the

United States, however this isn't the forum for it. The essential

point that I think should be made is that a National Registered

Paramedic without other qualification is not at all prepared to work

offshore or on remote sites, regardless of what most companies would

prefer. Until that is accepted by most, you will continually be

underpaid for the performance of your duties as well as watch other

posts for TERRIBLY underpaid positions that people will still jump at.

Austin

On Mar 5, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Brault wrote:

> The CCEMT-P is an interesting 2 week course (UMBC, 9th class, 1986)

> Not a critical care Medic makes

>

> Judging on your own previous errudite posts

> You must agree that all this excellent experience/judgement/knowledge

> Depended a lot on your own excellent individual efforts

> Or a lot form your individual organization/employer

>

> It's at the State or National level that the Education standards

> are not High nor well defined

>

> Note here

> That I am not saying that IT should be that way

> Merely that it is

>

>

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the oxford series is rather nice and you can get the american PDR on CD rom

saves serious space and wieght plus sign up for all the online sites you

can. If your in a developing country and so is your isp quite a few pay ones

will let you in for free

Cheers

Tom

American medic with Brit certs also

(means I am really screwed up I guess)

:-)

>From: RUDY VAN-DENTEN <medicrudy@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions

>Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:10:21 +0100 (CET)

>

>And on a more positive note...books/manuals, you may need to take with you

>if you are striving to be a budding Remote Medic, anyone, add as you like;

>

>1) Merck Manual Diagnosis and Treatment

>2) ABC ENT, Eyes...most of them

>3) Clinical Examination...there are some god ones with photos to show you

>what to look for. Also how to use an ENT set properly

>4) US Special Forces (SOF)...has some good stuff.

>5) A good compact Drug Guide...MIMS, not the huge one I made a mistake on

>buying once. I like the British one better.

>6) Oxford Handbook of A & E, Tropical and maybe Clinical Medicine

>7) A prayer book for, when the dung really hits the fan...

>

>And if you still have space in your suitcase, a pair of cool looking

>Oakley's...

>

>

> Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Re: Iraq Medic Positions

>

>,

>

>I'm going to be nice here and politely ask that you refrain from

>calling US (or any other nationality' s) medics " short-course, dime-a-

>dozen " medics and similar insults.

>************ ********* ******

>FACT

>The US courses are short

>You are just bareley starting to have shortages of Medics

>Most probably because of salary issues more than hardship of academic

>access

>Please correct me if my analysis is flawed

>

>From this and past posts you

>clearly don't have a good understanding of EMS in the US, so I'll just

>try to consider the source.

>************ ********

>Possible (Paramedic NE Univ 1986, NREMT-P, NYS, NYC MAC, Massachussetts,

>Pennsylvania, New-Jersey EMT-P, Philadelphia FireMedic, USA, ATLS, PHTLS,

>PALS & ACLS Instructor, HUP HyperBaric tech, Medic Veteran Stadium... moult

>Medevacs in a wide and varied regions of the USA)

>

>On the other hand

>I have a much better understanding of non US EMSs

>

>Your opinions are your own and you're free to have them. Maybe you

>should keep them. But what's the point of being insulting and

>intentionally inflammatory in this venue?

>************ ********* ****

>Intentions are neutral

>You can at the very least accused me of not thinking about others before

>writing

>For that I apologise

>Take it as a compliment also

>That I thought the list secure enough in their knowledge

>... to be able to discuss more sensitive (important) issues

>

>This said

>The US model may be

>In the end superior to the over " Academised " foreign models

>For the EMT-B level

>Personnaly (IMHO) I do not think a one year or 2 year course appropriate

>In the same breath

>I can assure that such courses thins out the rank of EMTs

>And jacks the salaries (As an EMT I have no problem with that... but as a

>US over-taxed US citizen I would be concerned))) )

>

>Otherwise

>Personnaly

>What do YOU think of a 120-200 hr EMT-B course

>What you insult anybody by saying what you think ! ?

>I hope not ?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Only decent manual to take anywhere is

on's Internal medicine, if it's on CD the better

Oh and a good field hygiene manual

Been there, done that

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the oxford series is rather nice and you can get the american PDR on CD rom

saves serious space and wieght plus sign up for all the online sites you

can. If your in a developing country and so is your isp quite a few pay ones

will let you in for free

Cheers

Tom

American medic with Brit certs also

(means I am really screwed up I guess)

:-)

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>Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:10:21 +0100 (CET)

>

>And on a more positive note...books/manuals, you may need to take with you

>if you are striving to be a budding Remote Medic, anyone, add as you like;

>

>1) Merck Manual Diagnosis and Treatment

>2) ABC ENT, Eyes...most of them

>3) Clinical Examination...there are some god ones with photos to show you

>what to look for. Also how to use an ENT set properly

>4) US Special Forces (SOF)...has some good stuff.

>5) A good compact Drug Guide...MIMS, not the huge one I made a mistake on

>buying once. I like the British one better.

>6) Oxford Handbook of A & E, Tropical and maybe Clinical Medicine

>7) A prayer book for, when the dung really hits the fan...

>

>And if you still have space in your suitcase, a pair of cool looking

>Oakley's...

>

>

> Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Re: Iraq Medic Positions

>

>,

>

>I'm going to be nice here and politely ask that you refrain from

>calling US (or any other nationality' s) medics " short-course, dime-a-

>dozen " medics and similar insults.

>************ ********* ******

>FACT

>The US courses are short

>You are just bareley starting to have shortages of Medics

>Most probably because of salary issues more than hardship of academic

>access

>Please correct me if my analysis is flawed

>

>From this and past posts you

>clearly don't have a good understanding of EMS in the US, so I'll just

>try to consider the source.

>************ ********

>Possible (Paramedic NE Univ 1986, NREMT-P, NYS, NYC MAC, Massachussetts,

>Pennsylvania, New-Jersey EMT-P, Philadelphia FireMedic, USA, ATLS, PHTLS,

>PALS & ACLS Instructor, HUP HyperBaric tech, Medic Veteran Stadium... moult

>Medevacs in a wide and varied regions of the USA)

>

>On the other hand

>I have a much better understanding of non US EMSs

>

>Your opinions are your own and you're free to have them. Maybe you

>should keep them. But what's the point of being insulting and

>intentionally inflammatory in this venue?

>************ ********* ****

>Intentions are neutral

>You can at the very least accused me of not thinking about others before

>writing

>For that I apologise

>Take it as a compliment also

>That I thought the list secure enough in their knowledge

>... to be able to discuss more sensitive (important) issues

>

>This said

>The US model may be

>In the end superior to the over " Academised " foreign models

>For the EMT-B level

>Personnaly (IMHO) I do not think a one year or 2 year course appropriate

>In the same breath

>I can assure that such courses thins out the rank of EMTs

>And jacks the salaries (As an EMT I have no problem with that... but as a

>US over-taxed US citizen I would be concerned))) )

>

>Otherwise

>Personnaly

>What do YOU think of a 120-200 hr EMT-B course

>What you insult anybody by saying what you think ! ?

>I hope not ?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Minor Emergencies by Buttarvoli: worth its weight in gold.

RUDY VAN-DENTEN wrote:

>

> And on a more positive note...books/manuals, you may need to take with

> you if you are striving to be a budding Remote Medic, anyone, add as

> you like;

>

> 1) Merck Manual Diagnosis and Treatment

> 2) ABC ENT, Eyes...most of them

> 3) Clinical Examination...there are some god ones with photos to show

> you what to look for. Also how to use an ENT set properly

> 4) US Special Forces (SOF)...has some good stuff.

> 5) A good compact Drug Guide...MIMS, not the huge one I made a mistake

> on buying once. I like the British one better.

> 6) Oxford Handbook of A & E, Tropical and maybe Clinical Medicine

> 7) A prayer book for, when the dung really hits the fan...

>

> And if you still have space in your suitcase, a pair of cool looking

> Oakley's...

>

> Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Re: Iraq Medic Positions

>

> ,

>

> I'm going to be nice here and politely ask that you refrain from

> calling US (or any other nationality' s) medics " short-course, dime-a-

> dozen " medics and similar insults.

> ************ ********* ******

> FACT

> The US courses are short

> You are just bareley starting to have shortages of Medics

> Most probably because of salary issues more than hardship of academic

> access

> Please correct me if my analysis is flawed

>

> From this and past posts you

> clearly don't have a good understanding of EMS in the US, so I'll just

> try to consider the source.

> ************ ********

> Possible (Paramedic NE Univ 1986, NREMT-P, NYS, NYC MAC,

> Massachussetts, Pennsylvania, New-Jersey EMT-P, Philadelphia

> FireMedic, USA, ATLS, PHTLS, PALS & ACLS Instructor, HUP HyperBaric

> tech, Medic Veteran Stadium... moult Medevacs in a wide and varied

> regions of the USA)

>

> On the other hand

> I have a much better understanding of non US EMSs

>

> Your opinions are your own and you're free to have them. Maybe you

> should keep them. But what's the point of being insulting and

> intentionally inflammatory in this venue?

> ************ ********* ****

> Intentions are neutral

> You can at the very least accused me of not thinking about others

> before writing

> For that I apologise

> Take it as a compliment also

> That I thought the list secure enough in their knowledge

> ... to be able to discuss more sensitive (important) issues

>

> This said

> The US model may be

> In the end superior to the over " Academised " foreign models

> For the EMT-B level

> Personnaly (IMHO) I do not think a one year or 2 year course appropriate

> In the same breath

> I can assure that such courses thins out the rank of EMTs

> And jacks the salaries (As an EMT I have no problem with that... but

> as a US over-taxed US citizen I would be concerned))) )

>

> Otherwise

> Personnaly

> What do YOU think of a 120-200 hr EMT-B course

> What you insult anybody by saying what you think ! ?

> I hope not ?

>

>

>

>

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> Tom

> American medic with Brit certs also

> (means I am really screwed up I guess)

> :-)

No, Tom, it's the guys that gave you the certs that screwed up!

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Clinton,

Can you send a copy of your CV please...

Butch

Randy A. " Butch " RN, EMTP

Executive Director

MedStaff Inc.

U.S. Cell: 573-631-5561 U.S. Home Office: 318-443-4532 Iraqna: 0790-451-8205

Dubai: (00965) 751-2835

upcmedic@...

Re: Iraq Medic Positions

Butch, please find attached my CV, with great interest in this project. I am not

working at the moment, and if they are prepared to take Australian Operators, i

can deploy in days.Mate, if you could respond to me ASAP, that would be greatly

appreciated.

Thanks

Clinton ware

Remote Area Paramedic

" Randy A. " <upcmedic (DOT) com> wrote:

Hello All,

Greetings. I have just been made aware of an RFQ for 8 medics. They are

looking for Nationally Registered Paramedics from the States. Prefer

one year prior experience in that country. Likely will pay $350 a day.

The initial contract period is around 60 days with a very likely

renewal period. The Gov does that sometimes.

Is there anyone in the Iraq theater already that is interested? We need

to staff 8 clinic sites on a variety of military bases. One medic per

clinic. Work 7 days a week. Available around the clock for sick call

and emergencies. That is the norm for this type of position.

More info to follow over the weekend. This is a stat project.

Send your CV to me if you are interested and available.

Butch RN, EMTP

Project Manager

MedExpress Clinic

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Butch, I thought i had but will send it again, and as i said am very keen to

work on this project. I have extensive Military and Federal Police Experience

that i think could be very handy on this job.

Thanks for your time and consideration on this matter.

Clinton Ware

Remote Area Paramedic

Randy <upcmedic@...> wrote:

Clinton,

Can you send a copy of your CV please...

Butch

Randy A. " Butch " RN, EMTP

Executive Director

MedStaff Inc.

U.S. Cell: 573-631-5561 U.S. Home Office: 318-443-4532 Iraqna: 0790-451-8205

Dubai: (00965) 751-2835

upcmedic@...

Re: Iraq Medic Positions

Butch, please find attached my CV, with great interest in this project. I am not

working at the moment, and if they are prepared to take Australian Operators, i

can deploy in days.Mate, if you could respond to me ASAP, that would be greatly

appreciated.

Thanks

Clinton ware

Remote Area Paramedic

" Randy A. " <upcmedic (DOT) com> wrote:

Hello All,

Greetings. I have just been made aware of an RFQ for 8 medics. They are

looking for Nationally Registered Paramedics from the States. Prefer

one year prior experience in that country. Likely will pay $350 a day.

The initial contract period is around 60 days with a very likely

renewal period. The Gov does that sometimes.

Is there anyone in the Iraq theater already that is interested? We need

to staff 8 clinic sites on a variety of military bases. One medic per

clinic. Work 7 days a week. Available around the clock for sick call

and emergencies. That is the norm for this type of position.

More info to follow over the weekend. This is a stat project.

Send your CV to me if you are interested and available.

Butch RN, EMTP

Project Manager

MedExpress Clinic

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cool

thanks

Randy A. " Butch " RN, EMTP

Executive Director

MedStaff Inc.

U.S. Cell: 573-631-5561

U.S. Home Office: 318-443-4532

Iraqna: 0790-451-8205

Dubai: (00965) 751-2835

upcmedic@...

Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Iraq Medic Positions

Butch, please find attached my CV, with great interest in this project. I am not

working at the moment, and if they are prepared to take Australian Operators, i

can deploy in days.Mate, if you could respond to me ASAP, that would be greatly

appreciated.

Thanks

Clinton ware

Remote Area Paramedic

" Randy A. " <upcmedic (DOT) com> wrote:

Hello All,

Greetings. I have just been made aware of an RFQ for 8 medics. They are

looking for Nationally Registered Paramedics from the States. Prefer

one year prior experience in that country. Likely will pay $350 a day.

The initial contract period is around 60 days with a very likely

renewal period. The Gov does that sometimes.

Is there anyone in the Iraq theater already that is interested? We need

to staff 8 clinic sites on a variety of military bases. One medic per

clinic. Work 7 days a week. Available around the clock for sick call

and emergencies. That is the norm for this type of position.

More info to follow over the weekend. This is a stat project.

Send your CV to me if you are interested and available.

Butch RN, EMTP

Project Manager

MedExpress Clinic

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Butch, Do you thinkl i have a fair chance at the position.

Randy <upcmedic@...> wrote: cool

thanks

Randy A. " Butch " RN, EMTP

Executive Director

MedStaff Inc.

U.S. Cell: 573-631-5561

U.S. Home Office: 318-443-4532

Iraqna: 0790-451-8205

Dubai: (00965) 751-2835

upcmedic@...

Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Iraq Medic Positions

Butch, please find attached my CV, with great interest in this project. I am not

working at the moment, and if they are prepared to take Australian Operators, i

can deploy in days.Mate, if you could respond to me ASAP, that would be greatly

appreciated.

Thanks

Clinton ware

Remote Area Paramedic

" Randy A. " <upcmedic (DOT) com> wrote:

Hello All,

Greetings. I have just been made aware of an RFQ for 8 medics. They are

looking for Nationally Registered Paramedics from the States. Prefer

one year prior experience in that country. Likely will pay $350 a day.

The initial contract period is around 60 days with a very likely

renewal period. The Gov does that sometimes.

Is there anyone in the Iraq theater already that is interested? We need

to staff 8 clinic sites on a variety of military bases. One medic per

clinic. Work 7 days a week. Available around the clock for sick call

and emergencies. That is the norm for this type of position.

More info to follow over the weekend. This is a stat project.

Send your CV to me if you are interested and available.

Butch RN, EMTP

Project Manager

MedExpress Clinic

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Clinton,

The strong candidate will have extensive clinic experience. EMS folks call these

simply " sick cases " . But finding out what is wrong with a person based on H & P,

Physical Assessment of subtile changes from the norm without any labs or xray

can be pretty tough. Chest pain and trauma are pretty straight forward. So the

answer is how strong are your clinical skills if you through out PHTLS, ACLS and

Pals? A good background in an Urgent care center would be most helpful. I have

not begun the review process since this is moot until the contract is awarded.

Should hear something this week.

Thanks for checking in....

Blessings

Randy A. " Butch " RN, EMTP

Executive Director

MedStaff Inc.

U.S. Cell: 573-631-5561 U.S. Home Office: 318-443-4532 Iraqna: 0790-451-8205

Dubai: (00965) 751-2835

upcmedic@...

Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Iraq Medic Positions

Butch, please find attached my CV, with great interest in this project. I am not

working at the moment, and if they are prepared to take Australian Operators, i

can deploy in days.Mate, if you could respond to me ASAP, that would be greatly

appreciated.

Thanks

Clinton ware

Remote Area Paramedic

" Randy A. " <upcmedic (DOT) com> wrote:

Hello All,

Greetings. I have just been made aware of an RFQ for 8 medics. They are

looking for Nationally Registered Paramedics from the States. Prefer

one year prior experience in that country. Likely will pay $350 a day.

The initial contract period is around 60 days with a very likely

renewal period. The Gov does that sometimes.

Is there anyone in the Iraq theater already that is interested? We need

to staff 8 clinic sites on a variety of military bases. One medic per

clinic. Work 7 days a week. Available around the clock for sick call

and emergencies. That is the norm for this type of position.

More info to follow over the weekend. This is a stat project.

Send your CV to me if you are interested and available.

Butch RN, EMTP

Project Manager

MedExpress Clinic

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Sad

We should be able to discuss all issues pertinent to our profession

I think we regress when we start finding NEW taboo subjects ! ?((((

The US forums that discuss this issue

I have no apreciation or comprehension of the OTHER existing Paramedic Models as

we do

But if that's how the list feel

Fine

Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions

>

> I could go on at length regarding the education of Paramedics in the

> United States, however this isn't the forum for it.

> ************************

> ?????????????

> I do not understand ? ?

> As (international) Medics what would be our favorite Education model ?

>

> We are now beyond opinions as we have various models long operating

> in different part of the world

> It puts us in a position to compare and measure

>

> That people feel threatened by this is not an argument

> And speaks perhaps of the maturity of our profession

>

> I sense a survey coming along ! ! ))))

>

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