Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Watch out South Africans)))) ) Uh...ouch! Blow to the kidney. As you said, Quality vs Quantity...medic, nurse, paramedic, it is all the same to me, but it makes me want to breast-feed crocodiles when some companies pays less than half of what they really earn for the likes of us, especially if it is in hostile environments like Iraq. I suppose it is the luck of the draw, however, I do wonder, how the quality of the clinic reflect on this...box of plasters, bottle of Asprin...anything more than that, might end up at the US Military A & E Department anyway, if you are lucky enough to be an expat? [Remotemedics. co.uk] Re: Iraq Medic Positions Sadly, there are a lot of people in the world (the U.S. particularly) who will jump at that type of money. There are just too many 'medics on land in the U.S. who are seriously underpaid, so for them to come out and work in any of the remote areas is a huge pay raise (even if they are underpaid for the area they're working.) Generally speaking that means that the less- (or un-) qualified are getting jobs, but it seems most employers don't really care about the quality of the employee: They just want National Registry and a pulse and you're golden. Austin On Mar 4, 2007, at 2:38 AM, Plyler wrote: > What are the detais.. this works out to 180 GBPs, boys... that > would be ok for static in camp positions if it were every day > including leave. But if not, you US guys this is real low on the > pay scale. > > Mike Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe OwnerRemotemedics (DOT) co.uk Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@Remotemedics .co.uk ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: @egroups. com Please visit our website http://www.remoteme dics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions Watch out South Africans)))) ) Uh...ouch! Blow to the kidney. ****************************** Euh ! It was meant as compliment SA Medics Probably have the best salary-experience ratio Euh !!! Best for the employer though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions I'm hoping I am misreading your mail, as it sounds to me as if you are trying to say U.S. EMS is stuck in the 70s? *********************** I THINK YOU DID But you must know what I am referring to The EMT-B course is still 120 hours You can still get a 400-600 EMT-I courses I bet you can still get a 600 hour EMT-P course Your vollie Lobby as a large part of the responsibility in keeping these course very accessible Also You have NO recognized critical care paramedic course Other than in-house training for Medevac Medics I would take offense to that statement on behalf of the many quality providers here in the States. **************************** Don't take it personnaly In fact in the states co-exist the super competant with the super-minimal Nirmaly a sign of the absence or weakness of a system~model There are certainly regions of the U.S. and specific programs that could use improvement, and I am never against raising the standards for anyone in the medical field--particularly with regard to remote 'medics--however to make the implication that the skills and training of the U.S. 'medics have slipped behind the " first world " standards would be a gross misstatement-- ************************ Not slipped NO But other countries have taken the US model and improved on it Some times a lot in fact in a number of regards the U.S. still maintains leadership in the prehospital care arena. **************************** As individual systems are involved, certainly As the whole of the USA I don't see it that way With that said, Paramedics are training to be prehospital providers, with the assumption that they will after a short or medium amount of time turn that patient over to a higher level provider, and are generally unprepared to work offshore or on remote sites--Primary Care isn't part of the job description. ************************** That's relatively universal Britain as a serious Paramedic " extended provider " course But that is the exception Otherwise their exist the corsstrained RN-Medic Or some of the higher level of Military Medic seem to more goal centered And this is without mentionning the NPs or PAs The problem arises for us that there are no real " qualifications " to be an offshore or remote provider. The majority of companies first choose based on COST then on QUALIFICATIONS. They will hire a well- qualified individual only if he will cost no more (or marginally so) then an under-qualified individual. It is often viewed (like the original posting) that a " qualified " person is anyone with National Registry--ignoring the fact that National Registry is not a very difficult test nor has anything to do with the offshore/remote field. National Registry Paramedic has been judged as the " standard " . I don't really feel the British system of a three week course should really be the end-all of qualifications, as a system it has the advantage of setting the bar HIGHER then normal as well as offering some specific training to the arena. ********************************** Makes me think of the US Certified Emergency Nurse or Certified Flight Paramedic certifications These are not courses or programs But Merely a certifying body Able to acknowledge what ever on and off the job experience and education that you an individual as attained The job in question will almost surely receive more then enough applicants for the position, however as everyone else has stated the money is TERRIBLE for Iraq--regardless of being a " safe job " in camp. ****************************** And herein lies the biggest difference between the States and other countries The Trust on the individual and the free markets As opposed to higher regards for " academia " and strong State regulation and intervention The relative level of danger overall has increased, rather then decreased, and will likely only continue to get worse as time goes on. The OP makes a good point about only being able to get what money his company is offered, so it's not necessarily his fault (unless there is a lot of skimming going on, which is a possibility), but you do get what you pay for. *********************** Universaly It's much easier to count the initial monetary costs Than evaluate ALL the final costs Namely Getting away with not having(rarely) to pay for Pain, suffering, morbidity, mortality, bandonnement, medical negligence, etc CCEMT-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Butch, please find attached my CV, with great interest in this project. I am not working at the moment, and if they are prepared to take Australian Operators, i can deploy in days.Mate, if you could respond to me ASAP, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Clinton ware Remote Area Paramedic " Randy A. " <upcmedic@...> wrote: Hello All, Greetings. I have just been made aware of an RFQ for 8 medics. They are looking for Nationally Registered Paramedics from the States. Prefer one year prior experience in that country. Likely will pay $350 a day. The initial contract period is around 60 days with a very likely renewal period. The Gov does that sometimes. Is there anyone in the Iraq theater already that is interested? We need to staff 8 clinic sites on a variety of military bases. One medic per clinic. Work 7 days a week. Available around the clock for sick call and emergencies. That is the norm for this type of position. More info to follow over the weekend. This is a stat project. Send your CV to me if you are interested and available. Butch RN, EMTP Project Manager MedExpress Clinic --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Clinton, Consider yourself responded to and thank you kindly for your interest. My hope is that if we are frugal, we can will the bid and everyone goes home happy and alive. Will update you as the project moves forward. The award will be given out this week so will pass that info along to you. Cheers Butch Randy A. " Butch " RN, EMTP Executive Director MedStaff Inc. U.S. Cell: 573-631-5561 U.S. Home Office: 318-443-4532 Iraqna: 0790-451-8205 Dubai: (00965) 751-2835 upcmedic@... Re: Iraq Medic Positions Butch, please find attached my CV, with great interest in this project. I am not working at the moment, and if they are prepared to take Australian Operators, i can deploy in days.Mate, if you could respond to me ASAP, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Clinton ware Remote Area Paramedic " Randy A. " <upcmedic (DOT) com> wrote: Hello All, Greetings. I have just been made aware of an RFQ for 8 medics. They are looking for Nationally Registered Paramedics from the States. Prefer one year prior experience in that country. Likely will pay $350 a day. The initial contract period is around 60 days with a very likely renewal period. The Gov does that sometimes. Is there anyone in the Iraq theater already that is interested? We need to staff 8 clinic sites on a variety of military bases. One medic per clinic. Work 7 days a week. Available around the clock for sick call and emergencies. That is the norm for this type of position. More info to follow over the weekend. This is a stat project. Send your CV to me if you are interested and available. Butch RN, EMTP Project Manager MedExpress Clinic ------------ --------- --------- --- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Hey , You're from Canada, no? Where did you receive your paramedic training? How about your CCEMT-P cert? Thanks, Larry Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions > > > I'm hoping I am misreading your mail, as it sounds to me as if you > are trying to say U.S. EMS is stuck in the 70s? > *********************** > I THINK YOU DID > But you must know what I am referring to > The EMT-B course is still 120 hours > You can still get a 400-600 EMT-I courses > I bet you can still get a 600 hour EMT-P course > Your vollie Lobby as a large part of the responsibility in keeping > these course very accessible > Also You have NO recognized critical care paramedic course > Other than in-house training for Medevac Medics... [snip] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Unfortunately, quite a number of ' remarks were equally inaccurate. LT Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions > " British system of a three week course " - sorry but you got that > wrong, took me three and a half years in the London Ambulance > service to get my paramedic qualification and state registration. > It takes a year and a half to qualify as an EMT in an UK ambulance > service. Apart from first having to gain your EMT, then on the > road experience prior to applying for the paramedic course, then > the pre course learning, then the taught/classroom module, you > then have to spend four weeks in a hospital - > theatres/ITU/Accident and emergency dept before qualifying so your > quote about the British 3 week course is way off the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 , I'm going to be nice here and politely ask that you refrain from calling US (or any other nationality's) medics " short-course, dime-a- dozen " medics and similar insults. From this and past posts you clearly don't have a good understanding of EMS in the US, so I'll just try to consider the source. Your opinions are your own and you're free to have them. Maybe you should keep them. But what's the point of being insulting and intentionally inflammatory in this venue? Regards, Larry Re: Iraq Medic Positions > > > Sadly, there are a lot of people in the world (the U.S. > particularly) > who will jump at that type of money. There are just too many > 'medics > on land in the U.S. who are seriously underpaid, so for them to > come > out and work in any of the remote areas is a huge pay raise (even > if > they are underpaid for the area they're working.) Generally > speaking > that means that the less- (or un-) qualified are getting jobs, but > it > seems most employers don't really care about the quality of the > employee: They just want National Registry and a pulse and you're > golden. > > Austin > > > On Mar 4, 2007, at 2:38 AM, Plyler wrote: > > > What are the detais.. this works out to 180 GBPs, boys... that > > would be ok for static in camp positions if it were every day > > including leave. But if not, you US guys this is real low on the > > > pay scale. > > > > Mike > > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should > be sent to the list owner. > > Post message: egroups > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > Regards > > The Remote Medics Team > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 This being a Remote Medics mailing list I would have hoped that you would have realized I was speaking of the UK HSE's Offshore Medic course, which takes roughly three weeks to complete. Rereading my original post, I can understand why it may be read that way. I'm trying to call an apple an apple here and not compare the relative competencies of a US to UK Paramedic, as while paperwork intensive, a US Paramedic can get reciprocity into the UK, and I imagine it is probably similar to go in the same direction. I don't particularly care to compare the backgrounds of the individuals because (a) in the U.S. there is the potential for it to vary wildly, and ( the end result is similar in skills and qualifications. Austin On Mar 4, 2007, at 12:50 PM, J BROOME wrote: > " British system of a three week course " - sorry but you got that > wrong, took me three and a half years in the London Ambulance > service to get my paramedic qualification and state registration. > It takes a year and a half to qualify as an EMT in an UK ambulance > service. Apart from first having to gain your EMT, then on the road > experience prior to applying for the paramedic course, then the pre > course learning, then the taught/classroom module, you then have to > spend four weeks in a hospital - theatres/ITU/Accident and > emergency dept before qualifying so your quote about the British 3 > week course is way off the mark. > A Austin <abaustin+groups@...> wrote: >> The problem arises for us that there are no real " qualifications " to >> be an offshore or remote provider. The majority of companies first >> choose based on COST then on QUALIFICATIONS. They will hire a well- >> qualified individual only if he will cost no more (or marginally so) >> then an under-qualified individual. It is often viewed (like the >> original posting) that a " qualified " person is anyone with National >> Registry--ignoring the fact that National Registry is not a very >> difficult test nor has anything to do with the offshore/remote field. >> National Registry Paramedic has been judged as the " standard " . I >> don't really feel the British system of a three week course should >> really be the end-all of qualifications, as a system it has the >> advantage of setting the bar HIGHER then normal as well as offering >> some specific training to the arena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Hey Guys ! ! ! I AM an AMERICAN Medic ! ! ! I Am insulting myself ! ? NOT ! ! ! I am merely commenting on realities (All general, perfect and imperfect that they may be) It is MY opinion No big deal Perhaps My mom was right when she said : If you do not have anything good to say Don't say anything But BUT The level of EMS Training, Skills, Philosophy Is ALWAYS worht talking about on this list First rule on the lists DON'T take it personnaly Somewhere down the list Is : Stick to the list's line of interest/subjects I am not being perfect But I am doing OK on this tread (see comments inserted) Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions , I'm going to be nice here and politely ask that you refrain from calling US (or any other nationality's) medics " short-course, dime-a- dozen " medics and similar insults. *************************** FACT The US courses are short You are just bareley starting to have shortages of Medics Most probably because of salary issues more than hardship of academic access Please correct me if my analysis is flawed From this and past posts you clearly don't have a good understanding of EMS in the US, so I'll just try to consider the source. ******************** Possible (Paramedic NE Univ 1986, NREMT-P, NYS, NYC MAC, Massachussetts, Pennsylvania, New-Jersey EMT-P, Philadelphia FireMedic, USA, ATLS, PHTLS, PALS & ACLS Instructor, HUP HyperBaric tech, Medic Veteran Stadium... moult Medevacs in a wide and varied regions of the USA) On the other hand I have a much better understanding of non US EMSs Your opinions are your own and you're free to have them. Maybe you should keep them. But what's the point of being insulting and intentionally inflammatory in this venue? ************************* Intentions are neutral You can at the very least accused me of not thinking about others before writing For that I apologise Take it as a compliment also That I thought the list secure enough in their knowledge .... to be able to discuss more sensitive (important) issues This said The US model may be In the end superior to the over " Academised " foreign models For the EMT-B level Personnaly (IMHO) I do not think a one year or 2 year course appropriate In the same breath I can assure that such courses thins out the rank of EMTs And jacks the salaries (As an EMT I have no problem with that... but as a US over-taxed US citizen I would be concerned)))) Otherwise Personnaly What do YOU think of a 120-200 hr EMT-B course What you insult anybody by saying what you think ! ? I hope not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions Unfortunately, quite a number of ' remarks were equally inaccurate. *************************************** Larry Please I hat to be wrong Especially if I am going to be insulting in the process Seriously I really mean what I am saying So help me here Cut and paste the more questionable remarks And attack those with all your heart's content We (I) will be more knowledgeable and Humble for it Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 The CCEMT-P is an interesting 2 week course (UMBC, 9th class, 1986) Not a critical care Medic makes Judging on your own previous errudite posts You must agree that all this excellent experience/judgement/knowledge Depended a lot on your own excellent individual efforts Or a lot form your individual organization/employer It's at the State or National level that the Education standards are not High nor well defined Note here That I am not saying that IT should be that way Merely that it is Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions > > > I'm hoping I am misreading your mail, as it sounds to me as if you > are trying to say U.S. EMS is stuck in the 70s? > *********************** > I THINK YOU DID > But you must know what I am referring to > The EMT-B course is still 120 hours > You can still get a 400-600 EMT-I courses > I bet you can still get a 600 hour EMT-P course > Your vollie Lobby as a large part of the responsibility in keeping > these course very accessible > Also You have NO recognized critical care paramedic course > Other than in-house training for Medevac Medics... [snip] Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 And on a more positive note...books/manuals, you may need to take with you if you are striving to be a budding Remote Medic, anyone, add as you like; 1) Merck Manual Diagnosis and Treatment 2) ABC ENT, Eyes...most of them 3) Clinical Examination...there are some god ones with photos to show you what to look for. Also how to use an ENT set properly 4) US Special Forces (SOF)...has some good stuff. 5) A good compact Drug Guide...MIMS, not the huge one I made a mistake on buying once. I like the British one better. 6) Oxford Handbook of A & E, Tropical and maybe Clinical Medicine 7) A prayer book for, when the dung really hits the fan... And if you still have space in your suitcase, a pair of cool looking Oakley's... Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Re: Iraq Medic Positions , I'm going to be nice here and politely ask that you refrain from calling US (or any other nationality' s) medics " short-course, dime-a- dozen " medics and similar insults. ************ ********* ****** FACT The US courses are short You are just bareley starting to have shortages of Medics Most probably because of salary issues more than hardship of academic access Please correct me if my analysis is flawed From this and past posts you clearly don't have a good understanding of EMS in the US, so I'll just try to consider the source. ************ ******** Possible (Paramedic NE Univ 1986, NREMT-P, NYS, NYC MAC, Massachussetts, Pennsylvania, New-Jersey EMT-P, Philadelphia FireMedic, USA, ATLS, PHTLS, PALS & ACLS Instructor, HUP HyperBaric tech, Medic Veteran Stadium... moult Medevacs in a wide and varied regions of the USA) On the other hand I have a much better understanding of non US EMSs Your opinions are your own and you're free to have them. Maybe you should keep them. But what's the point of being insulting and intentionally inflammatory in this venue? ************ ********* **** Intentions are neutral You can at the very least accused me of not thinking about others before writing For that I apologise Take it as a compliment also That I thought the list secure enough in their knowledge .... to be able to discuss more sensitive (important) issues This said The US model may be In the end superior to the over " Academised " foreign models For the EMT-B level Personnaly (IMHO) I do not think a one year or 2 year course appropriate In the same breath I can assure that such courses thins out the rank of EMTs And jacks the salaries (As an EMT I have no problem with that... but as a US over-taxed US citizen I would be concerned))) ) Otherwise Personnaly What do YOU think of a 120-200 hr EMT-B course What you insult anybody by saying what you think ! ? I hope not ? ___________________________________________________________ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Championship. http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://mail..net/uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 You won't hear me arguing about raising standards, I am always in favor of having better training <anything>. However, I think the point needs to be raised that the training that MOST 'medics receive prior to getting their card is appropriate and adequately prepares them to BEGIN the job. I think most need some additional seasoning in the form of a ride-along at the specific place they are hired for 30 to 60 days, but after that they are what you'd expect: new 'medics. True understanding begins to come after you've done the job--just like anything else. (We don't have the luxury of a 3-6 year OJT period like physicians.) I could go on at length regarding the education of Paramedics in the United States, however this isn't the forum for it. The essential point that I think should be made is that a National Registered Paramedic without other qualification is not at all prepared to work offshore or on remote sites, regardless of what most companies would prefer. Until that is accepted by most, you will continually be underpaid for the performance of your duties as well as watch other posts for TERRIBLY underpaid positions that people will still jump at. Austin On Mar 5, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Brault wrote: > The CCEMT-P is an interesting 2 week course (UMBC, 9th class, 1986) > Not a critical care Medic makes > > Judging on your own previous errudite posts > You must agree that all this excellent experience/judgement/knowledge > Depended a lot on your own excellent individual efforts > Or a lot form your individual organization/employer > > It's at the State or National level that the Education standards > are not High nor well defined > > Note here > That I am not saying that IT should be that way > Merely that it is > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 the oxford series is rather nice and you can get the american PDR on CD rom saves serious space and wieght plus sign up for all the online sites you can. If your in a developing country and so is your isp quite a few pay ones will let you in for free Cheers Tom American medic with Brit certs also (means I am really screwed up I guess) :-) >From: RUDY VAN-DENTEN <medicrudy@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions >Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:10:21 +0100 (CET) > >And on a more positive note...books/manuals, you may need to take with you >if you are striving to be a budding Remote Medic, anyone, add as you like; > >1) Merck Manual Diagnosis and Treatment >2) ABC ENT, Eyes...most of them >3) Clinical Examination...there are some god ones with photos to show you >what to look for. Also how to use an ENT set properly >4) US Special Forces (SOF)...has some good stuff. >5) A good compact Drug Guide...MIMS, not the huge one I made a mistake on >buying once. I like the British one better. >6) Oxford Handbook of A & E, Tropical and maybe Clinical Medicine >7) A prayer book for, when the dung really hits the fan... > >And if you still have space in your suitcase, a pair of cool looking >Oakley's... > > > Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Re: Iraq Medic Positions > >, > >I'm going to be nice here and politely ask that you refrain from >calling US (or any other nationality' s) medics " short-course, dime-a- >dozen " medics and similar insults. >************ ********* ****** >FACT >The US courses are short >You are just bareley starting to have shortages of Medics >Most probably because of salary issues more than hardship of academic >access >Please correct me if my analysis is flawed > >From this and past posts you >clearly don't have a good understanding of EMS in the US, so I'll just >try to consider the source. >************ ******** >Possible (Paramedic NE Univ 1986, NREMT-P, NYS, NYC MAC, Massachussetts, >Pennsylvania, New-Jersey EMT-P, Philadelphia FireMedic, USA, ATLS, PHTLS, >PALS & ACLS Instructor, HUP HyperBaric tech, Medic Veteran Stadium... moult >Medevacs in a wide and varied regions of the USA) > >On the other hand >I have a much better understanding of non US EMSs > >Your opinions are your own and you're free to have them. Maybe you >should keep them. But what's the point of being insulting and >intentionally inflammatory in this venue? >************ ********* **** >Intentions are neutral >You can at the very least accused me of not thinking about others before >writing >For that I apologise >Take it as a compliment also >That I thought the list secure enough in their knowledge >... to be able to discuss more sensitive (important) issues > >This said >The US model may be >In the end superior to the over " Academised " foreign models >For the EMT-B level >Personnaly (IMHO) I do not think a one year or 2 year course appropriate >In the same breath >I can assure that such courses thins out the rank of EMTs >And jacks the salaries (As an EMT I have no problem with that... but as a >US over-taxed US citizen I would be concerned))) ) > >Otherwise >Personnaly >What do YOU think of a 120-200 hr EMT-B course >What you insult anybody by saying what you think ! ? >I hope not ? > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your >email personality. Take the quiz at the Championship. >http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://mail..net/uk > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Only decent manual to take anywhere is on's Internal medicine, if it's on CD the better Oh and a good field hygiene manual Been there, done that Rick Tappan rtappan@... 202 742-8827 202 253-5615 _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of thomas greaber Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions the oxford series is rather nice and you can get the american PDR on CD rom saves serious space and wieght plus sign up for all the online sites you can. If your in a developing country and so is your isp quite a few pay ones will let you in for free Cheers Tom American medic with Brit certs also (means I am really screwed up I guess) :-) >From: RUDY VAN-DENTEN <medicrudy (DOT) <mailto:medicrudy%40.co.uk> co.uk> >Reply- <mailto:%40> > <mailto:%40> >Subject: Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions >Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:10:21 +0100 (CET) > >And on a more positive note...books/manuals, you may need to take with you >if you are striving to be a budding Remote Medic, anyone, add as you like; > >1) Merck Manual Diagnosis and Treatment >2) ABC ENT, Eyes...most of them >3) Clinical Examination...there are some god ones with photos to show you >what to look for. Also how to use an ENT set properly >4) US Special Forces (SOF)...has some good stuff. >5) A good compact Drug Guide...MIMS, not the huge one I made a mistake on >buying once. I like the British one better. >6) Oxford Handbook of A & E, Tropical and maybe Clinical Medicine >7) A prayer book for, when the dung really hits the fan... > >And if you still have space in your suitcase, a pair of cool looking >Oakley's... > > > Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Re: Iraq Medic Positions > >, > >I'm going to be nice here and politely ask that you refrain from >calling US (or any other nationality' s) medics " short-course, dime-a- >dozen " medics and similar insults. >************ ********* ****** >FACT >The US courses are short >You are just bareley starting to have shortages of Medics >Most probably because of salary issues more than hardship of academic >access >Please correct me if my analysis is flawed > >From this and past posts you >clearly don't have a good understanding of EMS in the US, so I'll just >try to consider the source. >************ ******** >Possible (Paramedic NE Univ 1986, NREMT-P, NYS, NYC MAC, Massachussetts, >Pennsylvania, New-Jersey EMT-P, Philadelphia FireMedic, USA, ATLS, PHTLS, >PALS & ACLS Instructor, HUP HyperBaric tech, Medic Veteran Stadium... moult >Medevacs in a wide and varied regions of the USA) > >On the other hand >I have a much better understanding of non US EMSs > >Your opinions are your own and you're free to have them. Maybe you >should keep them. But what's the point of being insulting and >intentionally inflammatory in this venue? >************ ********* **** >Intentions are neutral >You can at the very least accused me of not thinking about others before >writing >For that I apologise >Take it as a compliment also >That I thought the list secure enough in their knowledge >... to be able to discuss more sensitive (important) issues > >This said >The US model may be >In the end superior to the over " Academised " foreign models >For the EMT-B level >Personnaly (IMHO) I do not think a one year or 2 year course appropriate >In the same breath >I can assure that such courses thins out the rank of EMTs >And jacks the salaries (As an EMT I have no problem with that... but as a >US over-taxed US citizen I would be concerned))) ) > >Otherwise >Personnaly >What do YOU think of a 120-200 hr EMT-B course >What you insult anybody by saying what you think ! ? >I hope not ? > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________ >What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your >email personality. Take the quiz at the Championship. >http://uk.rd. <http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http:/mail..net/uk> /evt=44106/*http://mail..net/uk > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Minor Emergencies by Buttarvoli: worth its weight in gold. RUDY VAN-DENTEN wrote: > > And on a more positive note...books/manuals, you may need to take with > you if you are striving to be a budding Remote Medic, anyone, add as > you like; > > 1) Merck Manual Diagnosis and Treatment > 2) ABC ENT, Eyes...most of them > 3) Clinical Examination...there are some god ones with photos to show > you what to look for. Also how to use an ENT set properly > 4) US Special Forces (SOF)...has some good stuff. > 5) A good compact Drug Guide...MIMS, not the huge one I made a mistake > on buying once. I like the British one better. > 6) Oxford Handbook of A & E, Tropical and maybe Clinical Medicine > 7) A prayer book for, when the dung really hits the fan... > > And if you still have space in your suitcase, a pair of cool looking > Oakley's... > > Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Re: Iraq Medic Positions > > , > > I'm going to be nice here and politely ask that you refrain from > calling US (or any other nationality' s) medics " short-course, dime-a- > dozen " medics and similar insults. > ************ ********* ****** > FACT > The US courses are short > You are just bareley starting to have shortages of Medics > Most probably because of salary issues more than hardship of academic > access > Please correct me if my analysis is flawed > > From this and past posts you > clearly don't have a good understanding of EMS in the US, so I'll just > try to consider the source. > ************ ******** > Possible (Paramedic NE Univ 1986, NREMT-P, NYS, NYC MAC, > Massachussetts, Pennsylvania, New-Jersey EMT-P, Philadelphia > FireMedic, USA, ATLS, PHTLS, PALS & ACLS Instructor, HUP HyperBaric > tech, Medic Veteran Stadium... moult Medevacs in a wide and varied > regions of the USA) > > On the other hand > I have a much better understanding of non US EMSs > > Your opinions are your own and you're free to have them. Maybe you > should keep them. But what's the point of being insulting and > intentionally inflammatory in this venue? > ************ ********* **** > Intentions are neutral > You can at the very least accused me of not thinking about others > before writing > For that I apologise > Take it as a compliment also > That I thought the list secure enough in their knowledge > ... to be able to discuss more sensitive (important) issues > > This said > The US model may be > In the end superior to the over " Academised " foreign models > For the EMT-B level > Personnaly (IMHO) I do not think a one year or 2 year course appropriate > In the same breath > I can assure that such courses thins out the rank of EMTs > And jacks the salaries (As an EMT I have no problem with that... but > as a US over-taxed US citizen I would be concerned))) ) > > Otherwise > Personnaly > What do YOU think of a 120-200 hr EMT-B course > What you insult anybody by saying what you think ! ? > I hope not ? > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of > your email personality. Take the quiz at the Championship. > http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://mail..net/uk > <http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://mail..net/uk> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 ----- Original Message ----- From: " thomas greaber " <tom5255@...> > > Tom > American medic with Brit certs also > (means I am really screwed up I guess) > :-) No, Tom, it's the guys that gave you the certs that screwed up! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Clinton, Can you send a copy of your CV please... Butch Randy A. " Butch " RN, EMTP Executive Director MedStaff Inc. U.S. Cell: 573-631-5561 U.S. Home Office: 318-443-4532 Iraqna: 0790-451-8205 Dubai: (00965) 751-2835 upcmedic@... Re: Iraq Medic Positions Butch, please find attached my CV, with great interest in this project. I am not working at the moment, and if they are prepared to take Australian Operators, i can deploy in days.Mate, if you could respond to me ASAP, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Clinton ware Remote Area Paramedic " Randy A. " <upcmedic (DOT) com> wrote: Hello All, Greetings. I have just been made aware of an RFQ for 8 medics. They are looking for Nationally Registered Paramedics from the States. Prefer one year prior experience in that country. Likely will pay $350 a day. The initial contract period is around 60 days with a very likely renewal period. The Gov does that sometimes. Is there anyone in the Iraq theater already that is interested? We need to staff 8 clinic sites on a variety of military bases. One medic per clinic. Work 7 days a week. Available around the clock for sick call and emergencies. That is the norm for this type of position. More info to follow over the weekend. This is a stat project. Send your CV to me if you are interested and available. Butch RN, EMTP Project Manager MedExpress Clinic ------------ --------- --------- --- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Butch, I thought i had but will send it again, and as i said am very keen to work on this project. I have extensive Military and Federal Police Experience that i think could be very handy on this job. Thanks for your time and consideration on this matter. Clinton Ware Remote Area Paramedic Randy <upcmedic@...> wrote: Clinton, Can you send a copy of your CV please... Butch Randy A. " Butch " RN, EMTP Executive Director MedStaff Inc. U.S. Cell: 573-631-5561 U.S. Home Office: 318-443-4532 Iraqna: 0790-451-8205 Dubai: (00965) 751-2835 upcmedic@... Re: Iraq Medic Positions Butch, please find attached my CV, with great interest in this project. I am not working at the moment, and if they are prepared to take Australian Operators, i can deploy in days.Mate, if you could respond to me ASAP, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Clinton ware Remote Area Paramedic " Randy A. " <upcmedic (DOT) com> wrote: Hello All, Greetings. I have just been made aware of an RFQ for 8 medics. They are looking for Nationally Registered Paramedics from the States. Prefer one year prior experience in that country. Likely will pay $350 a day. The initial contract period is around 60 days with a very likely renewal period. The Gov does that sometimes. Is there anyone in the Iraq theater already that is interested? We need to staff 8 clinic sites on a variety of military bases. One medic per clinic. Work 7 days a week. Available around the clock for sick call and emergencies. That is the norm for this type of position. More info to follow over the weekend. This is a stat project. Send your CV to me if you are interested and available. Butch RN, EMTP Project Manager MedExpress Clinic ------------ --------- --------- --- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 cool thanks Randy A. " Butch " RN, EMTP Executive Director MedStaff Inc. U.S. Cell: 573-631-5561 U.S. Home Office: 318-443-4532 Iraqna: 0790-451-8205 Dubai: (00965) 751-2835 upcmedic@... Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Iraq Medic Positions Butch, please find attached my CV, with great interest in this project. I am not working at the moment, and if they are prepared to take Australian Operators, i can deploy in days.Mate, if you could respond to me ASAP, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Clinton ware Remote Area Paramedic " Randy A. " <upcmedic (DOT) com> wrote: Hello All, Greetings. I have just been made aware of an RFQ for 8 medics. They are looking for Nationally Registered Paramedics from the States. Prefer one year prior experience in that country. Likely will pay $350 a day. The initial contract period is around 60 days with a very likely renewal period. The Gov does that sometimes. Is there anyone in the Iraq theater already that is interested? We need to staff 8 clinic sites on a variety of military bases. One medic per clinic. Work 7 days a week. Available around the clock for sick call and emergencies. That is the norm for this type of position. More info to follow over the weekend. This is a stat project. Send your CV to me if you are interested and available. Butch RN, EMTP Project Manager MedExpress Clinic ------------ --------- --------- --- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Butch, Do you thinkl i have a fair chance at the position. Randy <upcmedic@...> wrote: cool thanks Randy A. " Butch " RN, EMTP Executive Director MedStaff Inc. U.S. Cell: 573-631-5561 U.S. Home Office: 318-443-4532 Iraqna: 0790-451-8205 Dubai: (00965) 751-2835 upcmedic@... Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Iraq Medic Positions Butch, please find attached my CV, with great interest in this project. I am not working at the moment, and if they are prepared to take Australian Operators, i can deploy in days.Mate, if you could respond to me ASAP, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Clinton ware Remote Area Paramedic " Randy A. " <upcmedic (DOT) com> wrote: Hello All, Greetings. I have just been made aware of an RFQ for 8 medics. They are looking for Nationally Registered Paramedics from the States. Prefer one year prior experience in that country. Likely will pay $350 a day. The initial contract period is around 60 days with a very likely renewal period. The Gov does that sometimes. Is there anyone in the Iraq theater already that is interested? We need to staff 8 clinic sites on a variety of military bases. One medic per clinic. Work 7 days a week. Available around the clock for sick call and emergencies. That is the norm for this type of position. More info to follow over the weekend. This is a stat project. Send your CV to me if you are interested and available. Butch RN, EMTP Project Manager MedExpress Clinic ------------ --------- --------- --- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Clinton, The strong candidate will have extensive clinic experience. EMS folks call these simply " sick cases " . But finding out what is wrong with a person based on H & P, Physical Assessment of subtile changes from the norm without any labs or xray can be pretty tough. Chest pain and trauma are pretty straight forward. So the answer is how strong are your clinical skills if you through out PHTLS, ACLS and Pals? A good background in an Urgent care center would be most helpful. I have not begun the review process since this is moot until the contract is awarded. Should hear something this week. Thanks for checking in.... Blessings Randy A. " Butch " RN, EMTP Executive Director MedStaff Inc. U.S. Cell: 573-631-5561 U.S. Home Office: 318-443-4532 Iraqna: 0790-451-8205 Dubai: (00965) 751-2835 upcmedic@... Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Iraq Medic Positions Butch, please find attached my CV, with great interest in this project. I am not working at the moment, and if they are prepared to take Australian Operators, i can deploy in days.Mate, if you could respond to me ASAP, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Clinton ware Remote Area Paramedic " Randy A. " <upcmedic (DOT) com> wrote: Hello All, Greetings. I have just been made aware of an RFQ for 8 medics. They are looking for Nationally Registered Paramedics from the States. Prefer one year prior experience in that country. Likely will pay $350 a day. The initial contract period is around 60 days with a very likely renewal period. The Gov does that sometimes. Is there anyone in the Iraq theater already that is interested? We need to staff 8 clinic sites on a variety of military bases. One medic per clinic. Work 7 days a week. Available around the clock for sick call and emergencies. That is the norm for this type of position. More info to follow over the weekend. This is a stat project. Send your CV to me if you are interested and available. Butch RN, EMTP Project Manager MedExpress Clinic ------------ --------- --------- --- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Sad We should be able to discuss all issues pertinent to our profession I think we regress when we start finding NEW taboo subjects ! ?(((( The US forums that discuss this issue I have no apreciation or comprehension of the OTHER existing Paramedic Models as we do But if that's how the list feel Fine Re: Re: Iraq Medic Positions > > I could go on at length regarding the education of Paramedics in the > United States, however this isn't the forum for it. > ************************ > ????????????? > I do not understand ? ? > As (international) Medics what would be our favorite Education model ? > > We are now beyond opinions as we have various models long operating > in different part of the world > It puts us in a position to compare and measure > > That people feel threatened by this is not an argument > And speaks perhaps of the maturity of our profession > > I sense a survey coming along ! ! )))) > Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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