Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 For all those who are unaware, if you are using the title " Paramedic " in the UK, the HPC states: " A person commits an offence if they use a protected title if they are not registered with us*. It is also an offence to imply that you are one of the professions that the HPC regulates. An example of this is if someone states that they provide chiropody services when they are not on our register. If you have any queries about this please contact our fitness to practise team. " *n.b an individual can still use the title if their application is being processed under our grandparenting scheme or are in our appeal process. If you have any queries about this please contact us. Professionals awaiting registration on the grandparenting scheme will show on HPCCheck, but this system is now expired for those wishing to gain Paramedic title. Please see the HPC website for more details. There is a maximum fine of up to £5000 for those prosecuted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Guys, Just a warning if this does develop into a them and us thread it will get moderated. Rgs Ian On 19/02/07, paramunky <sposborne77@...> wrote: > > For all those who are unaware, if you are using the title " Paramedic " > in the UK, the HPC states: > > " A person commits an offence if they use a protected title if they > are not registered with us*. It is also an offence to imply that you > are one of the professions that the HPC regulates. An example of this > is if someone states that they provide chiropody services when they > are not on our register. If you have any queries about this please > contact our fitness to practise team. " > > *n.b an individual can still use the title if their application is > being processed under our grandparenting scheme or are in our appeal > process. If you have any queries about this please contact us. > > Professionals awaiting registration on the grandparenting scheme will > show on HPCCheck, but this system is now expired for those wishing to > gain Paramedic title. Please see the HPC website for more details. > There is a maximum fine of up to £5000 for those prosecuted. > > > -- Ian Sharpe " Sentio Aliquos Togatos Contra Me Conspirare " Tel. (UK) + 44 7970 782897 Tel. (Cy) + 357 99358421 Tel. (Kz) + 7 701 747 0108 " Sharpe's Retreat " 5 Spyrou Kyprianou 35 8280 Mesoyi Paphos E-Mail Ian@... or Ian.Sharpe@... This e-mail and any attached documents are intended only for the addressee(s) named above. As this e-mail may contain confidential or legally privileged information, please notify us immediately if you are not the named addressee or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee, and delete the message permanently. This e-mail and any attached documents should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken without the prior consent of the sender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Good day guys, Just a question of interest, icw registration? What if a company employs staff or members without a valid registration, to what authorities do we report this? Currently I know of 2 and currently the company I am with requests that your registration is up to date. These 2 companies I am referring to are employing members without valid registrations. Where do I report this in the UK and the USA? Stay well and be safe!!! Rgds, Byron Fawcus > > > > For all those who are unaware, if you are using the title " Paramedic " > > in the UK, the HPC states: > > > > " A person commits an offence if they use a protected title if they > > are not registered with us*. It is also an offence to imply that you > > are one of the professions that the HPC regulates. An example of this > > is if someone states that they provide chiropody services when they > > are not on our register. If you have any queries about this please > > contact our fitness to practise team. " > > > > *n.b an individual can still use the title if their application is > > being processed under our grandparenting scheme or are in our appeal > > process. If you have any queries about this please contact us. > > > > Professionals awaiting registration on the grandparenting scheme will > > show on HPCCheck, but this system is now expired for those wishing to > > gain Paramedic title. Please see the HPC website for more details. > > There is a maximum fine of up to £5000 for those prosecuted. > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ian Sharpe > > " Sentio Aliquos Togatos Contra Me Conspirare " > > Tel. (UK) + 44 7970 782897 > Tel. (Cy) + 357 99358421 > Tel. (Kz) + 7 701 747 0108 > > " Sharpe's Retreat " > 5 Spyrou Kyprianou > 35 > 8280 Mesoyi > Paphos > > > > E-Mail Ian@... or Ian.Sharpe@... > > This e-mail and any attached documents are intended only for the > addressee(s) named above. As this e-mail may contain confidential or legally > privileged information, please notify us immediately if you are not the > named addressee or the person responsible for delivering the message to the > named addressee, and delete the message permanently. This e-mail and any > attached documents should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies > taken without the prior consent of the sender. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Sorry for seeming a bit dense, but what is ICW registration? Is it a regulatory body or something? Regards, Steve-O > > > > > > For all those who are unaware, if you are using the > title " Paramedic " > > > in the UK, the HPC states: > > > > > > " A person commits an offence if they use a protected title if they > > > are not registered with us*. It is also an offence to imply that > you > > > are one of the professions that the HPC regulates. An example of > this > > > is if someone states that they provide chiropody services when > they > > > are not on our register. If you have any queries about this please > > > contact our fitness to practise team. " > > > > > > *n.b an individual can still use the title if their application is > > > being processed under our grandparenting scheme or are in our > appeal > > > process. If you have any queries about this please contact us. > > > > > > Professionals awaiting registration on the grandparenting scheme > will > > > show on HPCCheck, but this system is now expired for those > wishing to > > > gain Paramedic title. Please see the HPC website for more details. > > > There is a maximum fine of up to £5000 for those prosecuted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ian Sharpe > > > > " Sentio Aliquos Togatos Contra Me Conspirare " > > > > Tel. (UK) + 44 7970 782897 > > Tel. (Cy) + 357 99358421 > > Tel. (Kz) + 7 701 747 0108 > > > > " Sharpe's Retreat " > > 5 Spyrou Kyprianou > > 35 > > 8280 Mesoyi > > Paphos > > > > > > > > E-Mail Ian@ or Ian.Sharpe@ > > > > This e-mail and any attached documents are intended only for the > > addressee(s) named above. As this e-mail may contain confidential > or legally > > privileged information, please notify us immediately if you are not > the > > named addressee or the person responsible for delivering the > message to the > > named addressee, and delete the message permanently. This e-mail > and any > > attached documents should not be disclosed to any other person nor > copies > > taken without the prior consent of the sender. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hi, Seeing that english is not my mother tongue, but all correspondence should be done in english I would like to put my words right or fix my mistakes. It means 'in connection with'. Cheers and be safe!! Byron <Edited by the Moderator> > > > > > > > > For all those who are unaware, if you are using the > > title " Paramedic " > > > > in the UK, the HPC states: > > > > > > > > " A person commits an offence if they use a protected title if > they > > > > are not registered with us*. It is also an offence to imply > that > > you > > > > are one of the professions that the HPC regulates. An example > of > > this > > > > is if someone states that they provide chiropody services when > > they > > > > are not on our register. If you have any queries about this > please > > > > contact our fitness to practise team. " > > > > > > > > *n.b an individual can still use the title if their > application is > > > > being processed under our grandparenting scheme or are in our > > appeal > > > > process. If you have any queries about this please contact us. > > > > > > > > Professionals awaiting registration on the grandparenting > scheme > > will > > > > show on HPCCheck, but this system is now expired for those > > wishing to > > > > gain Paramedic title. Please see the HPC website for more > details. > > > > There is a maximum fine of up to £5000 for those prosecuted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ian Sharpe > > > > > > " Sentio Aliquos Togatos Contra Me Conspirare " > > > > > > Tel. (UK) + 44 7970 782897 > > > Tel. (Cy) + 357 99358421 > > > Tel. (Kz) + 7 701 747 0108 > > > > > > " Sharpe's Retreat " > > > 5 Spyrou Kyprianou > > > 35 > > > 8280 Mesoyi > > > Paphos > > > > > > > > > > > > E-Mail Ian@ or Ian.Sharpe@ > > > > > > This e-mail and any attached documents are intended only for the > > > addressee(s) named above. As this e-mail may contain > confidential > > or legally > > > privileged information, please notify us immediately if you are > not > > the > > > named addressee or the person responsible for delivering the > > message to the > > > named addressee, and delete the message permanently. This e- mail > > and any > > > attached documents should not be disclosed to any other person > nor > > copies > > > taken without the prior consent of the sender. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Dear Colin, I myself am an ex cmt 1 and would rearly love some info on how to get on the hpc register and the cpd courses you do, I am still pretty much an offshore virgin after 3 trips and only out the core for 6 months so would appreciate the advice. Kind Regards Walsh >From: Colin Marshall <colin@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Registration for uk offshore medics >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:28:24 +0100 > >Grant > >You have probably hit the nail on the head as far as the overall >management opinion (perhaps with a few exceptions) towards Medics in the >Offshore Oil & Gas industry goes. > >In general we are seen as non-productive and someone to be loaded with >all the other 'spare' jobs going around. > >Personally, in 18 years offshore, I've probably spent about 90% of my >time doing heli-admin and safety inductions. > >No wonder there is a dramatic skill fall-off after the 3 yearly medic's >refresher course. Normally the only medical training that we get. How >many out there get regular training in between the refreshers to help >maintain their skills. > >The other problem that we face is lack of recognition outside the >industry, unless you are a registered nurse no-one recognises any skills >or training that you have as an offshore medic. > >I have been fortunate enough to get on the HPC register as a Paramedic >based on my military training (CMT 1)and time spent offshore in >'practice' as an medic. The guys who interviewed me didn't understand >the role and what implications the remote locations have for us in >treating people. No sub 8 minute ambulance response times and blue light >to the local casualty for us. > >I now have to undertake a minimum number of training days of Continuous >Personal Development (CPD) training every year and, while the obligation >and cost are down to me at the moment, this is probably the best thing >for me for a long time to make sure I update my skills and knowledge. > >Should the registration of offshore medics become a reality, hopefully >some form of CPD will be implemented (perhaps even the employers will >pay) to ensure that skills and knowledge are maintained and improved. > >At the risk of being shot down take a look at the scope of practice for >Emergency Care Practitioners and think about what you do as a Medic >offshore > >Offshore Medics being recognised and appreciated as medically trained >individuals, a dream or a future reality?? > >Whoops, just fallen off my soapbox. > >Colin Marshall > >Grant Duke wrote: > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > Just become a member. > > My history is Registered Nurse with mostly emergency experience, ex > > British Army nursing officer and now currently working offshore North > > Sea for almost 2 years. > > > > Does anybody know if there is any head way in developing a registration > > for offshore medics? > > > > This idea sounds great, in theory, hopefully weeding out sub standard > > agencies and medics. > > > > Approaching my second full year offshore it has opened my eyes to how > > the role of medic isn't really taken seriously compared with other >roles. > > I feel it is partly the industry viewing us as a " necessary evil " and > > the employment of poorly or unqualified medics dropping standards and > > expectations. > > > > Anyone else come across this > > > > cheers > > > > --------------------------------- > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this > > month. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Hi I'm afraid, unless someone knows otherwise, that you are out of luck for the route that I took. I obtained my registration through the 'Grandparenting' process, which closed in July of 2005. Mind you it only took them 18 months to get things sorted and I was among the last to get their registration. As far as I know the only option now, would be to go through one of the universities offering degrees in paramedic medicine, or approach an NHS ambulance trust. With CMT 1 only 6 months out of the Corps you might strike it lucky and get in on a Paramedic training programme. As for the CPD, the requirement is to undertake a minimum of 6 days training per year to maintain registration, which can be self tuition, seminars or relevant courses, as long as evidence of the training can be provided to the Health Professions Council should they decide to audit. I'm off on a PHTLS course in the Wirral next week at the Hyperbaric Medicine Centre, Murrayfield Hospital. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Regards Colin john walsh wrote: > > > Dear Colin, > > I myself am an ex cmt 1 and would rearly love some info on how to get on > the > hpc register and the cpd courses you do, I am still pretty much an offshore > virgin after 3 trips and only out the core for 6 months so would appreciate > the advice. > > Kind Regards > > Walsh > > >From: Colin Marshall <colin@... > <mailto:colin%404-denham.freeserve.co.uk>> > >Reply- > <mailto:%40> > > > <mailto:%40> > >Subject: Re: Registration for uk offshore medics > >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:28:24 +0100 > > > >Grant > > > >You have probably hit the nail on the head as far as the overall > >management opinion (perhaps with a few exceptions) towards Medics in the > >Offshore Oil & Gas industry goes. > > > >In general we are seen as non-productive and someone to be loaded with > >all the other 'spare' jobs going around. > > > >Personally, in 18 years offshore, I've probably spent about 90% of my > >time doing heli-admin and safety inductions. > > > >No wonder there is a dramatic skill fall-off after the 3 yearly medic's > >refresher course. Normally the only medical training that we get. How > >many out there get regular training in between the refreshers to help > >maintain their skills. > > > >The other problem that we face is lack of recognition outside the > >industry, unless you are a registered nurse no-one recognises any skills > >or training that you have as an offshore medic. > > > >I have been fortunate enough to get on the HPC register as a Paramedic > >based on my military training (CMT 1)and time spent offshore in > >'practice' as an medic. The guys who interviewed me didn't understand > >the role and what implications the remote locations have for us in > >treating people. No sub 8 minute ambulance response times and blue light > >to the local casualty for us. > > > >I now have to undertake a minimum number of training days of Continuous > >Personal Development (CPD) training every year and, while the obligation > >and cost are down to me at the moment, this is probably the best thing > >for me for a long time to make sure I update my skills and knowledge. > > > >Should the registration of offshore medics become a reality, hopefully > >some form of CPD will be implemented (perhaps even the employers will > >pay) to ensure that skills and knowledge are maintained and improved. > > > >At the risk of being shot down take a look at the scope of practice for > >Emergency Care Practitioners and think about what you do as a Medic > >offshore > > > >Offshore Medics being recognised and appreciated as medically trained > >individuals, a dream or a future reality?? > > > >Whoops, just fallen off my soapbox. > > > >Colin Marshall > > > >Grant Duke wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > Just become a member. > > > My history is Registered Nurse with mostly emergency experience, ex > > > British Army nursing officer and now currently working offshore North > > > Sea for almost 2 years. > > > > > > Does anybody know if there is any head way in developing a registration > > > for offshore medics? > > > > > > This idea sounds great, in theory, hopefully weeding out sub standard > > > agencies and medics. > > > > > > Approaching my second full year offshore it has opened my eyes to how > > > the role of medic isn't really taken seriously compared with other > >roles. > > > I feel it is partly the industry viewing us as a " necessary evil " and > > > the employment of poorly or unqualified medics dropping standards and > > > expectations. > > > > > > Anyone else come across this > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this > > > month. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I think the first question you need to ask is what will HPC registration do for me ? I’ve been a medic a while now and hopefully I’m about 4 weeks from giving it all up. Those of you that know me either via this list or personally will vouch for the fact I am a complete mercenary. I have a family to feed and I work to live not live to work. The way I viewed HPC SR Para registration was; 1. What will it do for me ? in my case not a lot.. 2. Will it increase my employability ? the answer unless you’re considering working for a UK ambulance service then no. 3. OK so I pay out for registration will they protect or insure me ? No... 4. So what’s the benefit. Ah Of course I can call myself a paramedic.. Does that really matter in the oil and gas industry ? The registration while all well good for its various reasons doesn’t really do a lot for us here in industry ? It doesn’t make you a better medic, ok so it forces you to do some CPD but if your keen and motivated you’d do that anyway. Bottom line, HPC registration does nothing for your average oil and gas medic. Do yourselves a favour and spend the money on a decent quality skills course.... you’ll get far more benefit..... You win jobs on how good you are, your experience and by being a professional. You don’t win a job because you have SR Para after your name.... unless it’s with the ambulance service...... Rgs Ian Listowner From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of john walsh Sent: 13 September 2007 18:56 Subject: Re: HPC REGISTRATION Dear Colin, I myself am an ex cmt 1 and would rearly love some info on how to get on the hpc register and the cpd courses you do, I am still pretty much an offshore virgin after 3 trips and only out the core for 6 months so would appreciate the advice. Kind Regards Walsh >From: Colin Marshall <colin@... <mailto:colin%404-denham.freeserve.co.uk> > >Reply- <mailto:%40> > <mailto:%40> >Subject: Re: Registration for uk offshore medics >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:28:24 +0100 > >Grant > >You have probably hit the nail on the head as far as the overall >management opinion (perhaps with a few exceptions) towards Medics in the >Offshore Oil & Gas industry goes. > >In general we are seen as non-productive and someone to be loaded with >all the other 'spare' jobs going around. > >Personally, in 18 years offshore, I've probably spent about 90% of my >time doing heli-admin and safety inductions. > >No wonder there is a dramatic skill fall-off after the 3 yearly medic's >refresher course. Normally the only medical training that we get. How >many out there get regular training in between the refreshers to help >maintain their skills. > >The other problem that we face is lack of recognition outside the >industry, unless you are a registered nurse no-one recognises any skills >or training that you have as an offshore medic. > >I have been fortunate enough to get on the HPC register as a Paramedic >based on my military training (CMT 1)and time spent offshore in >'practice' as an medic. The guys who interviewed me didn't understand >the role and what implications the remote locations have for us in >treating people. No sub 8 minute ambulance response times and blue light >to the local casualty for us. > >I now have to undertake a minimum number of training days of Continuous >Personal Development (CPD) training every year and, while the obligation >and cost are down to me at the moment, this is probably the best thing >for me for a long time to make sure I update my skills and knowledge. > >Should the registration of offshore medics become a reality, hopefully >some form of CPD will be implemented (perhaps even the employers will >pay) to ensure that skills and knowledge are maintained and improved. > >At the risk of being shot down take a look at the scope of practice for >Emergency Care Practitioners and think about what you do as a Medic >offshore > >Offshore Medics being recognised and appreciated as medically trained >individuals, a dream or a future reality?? > >Whoops, just fallen off my soapbox. > >Colin Marshall > >Grant Duke wrote: > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > Just become a member. > > My history is Registered Nurse with mostly emergency experience, ex > > British Army nursing officer and now currently working offshore North > > Sea for almost 2 years. > > > > Does anybody know if there is any head way in developing a registration > > for offshore medics? > > > > This idea sounds great, in theory, hopefully weeding out sub standard > > agencies and medics. > > > > Approaching my second full year offshore it has opened my eyes to how > > the role of medic isn't really taken seriously compared with other >roles. > > I feel it is partly the industry viewing us as a " necessary evil " and > > the employment of poorly or unqualified medics dropping standards and > > expectations. > > > > Anyone else come across this > > > > cheers > > > > --------------------------------- > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this > > month. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 totally agree ian well said Sherwin- Medic HSEA (Health) BP Lomond Platform Tel: 01224 836222 (Direct) Tel: 011605 6703 (Internal) Fax: 01224 836207 E-mail 1: lommedic@... E-Mail 2: .Sherwin@... Amoco (U.K.) Exploration Company a company incorporated in Delaware, USA and registered in Scotland under company number F000790 Branch Number BR005086 with a registered branch in the UK at Farburn Industrial Estate, Dyce, Aberdeen AB21 7PB. P Please consider the environment - only print this e-mail if absolutely necessary ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ian Sharpe Sent: 13 September 2007 17:27 Subject: RE: HPC REGISTRATION I think the first question you need to ask is what will HPC registration do for me ? I've been a medic a while now and hopefully I'm about 4 weeks from giving it all up. Those of you that know me either via this list or personally will vouch for the fact I am a complete mercenary. I have a family to feed and I work to live not live to work. The way I viewed HPC SR Para registration was; 1. What will it do for me ? in my case not a lot.. 2. Will it increase my employability ? the answer unless you're considering working for a UK ambulance service then no. 3. OK so I pay out for registration will they protect or insure me ? No... 4. So what's the benefit. Ah Of course I can call myself a paramedic.. Does that really matter in the oil and gas industry ? The registration while all well good for its various reasons doesn't really do a lot for us here in industry ? It doesn't make you a better medic, ok so it forces you to do some CPD but if your keen and motivated you'd do that anyway. Bottom line, HPC registration does nothing for your average oil and gas medic. Do yourselves a favour and spend the money on a decent quality skills course.... you'll get far more benefit..... You win jobs on how good you are, your experience and by being a professional. You don't win a job because you have SR Para after your name.... unless it's with the ambulance service...... Rgs Ian Listowner From: <mailto:%40> [mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of john walsh Sent: 13 September 2007 18:56 <mailto:%40> Subject: Re: HPC REGISTRATION Dear Colin, I myself am an ex cmt 1 and would rearly love some info on how to get on the hpc register and the cpd courses you do, I am still pretty much an offshore virgin after 3 trips and only out the core for 6 months so would appreciate the advice. Kind Regards Walsh >From: Colin Marshall <colin@... <mailto:colin%404-denham.freeserve.co.uk> <mailto:colin%404-denham.freeserve.co.uk> > >Reply- <mailto:%40> <mailto:%40> > <mailto:%40> <mailto:%40> >Subject: Re: Registration for uk offshore medics >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:28:24 +0100 > >Grant > >You have probably hit the nail on the head as far as the overall >management opinion (perhaps with a few exceptions) towards Medics in the >Offshore Oil & Gas industry goes. > >In general we are seen as non-productive and someone to be loaded with >all the other 'spare' jobs going around. > >Personally, in 18 years offshore, I've probably spent about 90% of my >time doing heli-admin and safety inductions. > >No wonder there is a dramatic skill fall-off after the 3 yearly medic's >refresher course. Normally the only medical training that we get. How >many out there get regular training in between the refreshers to help >maintain their skills. > >The other problem that we face is lack of recognition outside the >industry, unless you are a registered nurse no-one recognises any skills >or training that you have as an offshore medic. > >I have been fortunate enough to get on the HPC register as a Paramedic >based on my military training (CMT 1)and time spent offshore in >'practice' as an medic. The guys who interviewed me didn't understand >the role and what implications the remote locations have for us in >treating people. No sub 8 minute ambulance response times and blue light >to the local casualty for us. > >I now have to undertake a minimum number of training days of Continuous >Personal Development (CPD) training every year and, while the obligation >and cost are down to me at the moment, this is probably the best thing >for me for a long time to make sure I update my skills and knowledge. > >Should the registration of offshore medics become a reality, hopefully >some form of CPD will be implemented (perhaps even the employers will >pay) to ensure that skills and knowledge are maintained and improved. > >At the risk of being shot down take a look at the scope of practice for >Emergency Care Practitioners and think about what you do as a Medic >offshore > >Offshore Medics being recognised and appreciated as medically trained >individuals, a dream or a future reality?? > >Whoops, just fallen off my soapbox. > >Colin Marshall > >Grant Duke wrote: > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > Just become a member. > > My history is Registered Nurse with mostly emergency experience, ex > > British Army nursing officer and now currently working offshore North > > Sea for almost 2 years. > > > > Does anybody know if there is any head way in developing a registration > > for offshore medics? > > > > This idea sounds great, in theory, hopefully weeding out sub standard > > agencies and medics. > > > > Approaching my second full year offshore it has opened my eyes to how > > the role of medic isn't really taken seriously compared with other >roles. > > I feel it is partly the industry viewing us as a " necessary evil " and > > the employment of poorly or unqualified medics dropping standards and > > expectations. > > > > Anyone else come across this > > > > cheers > > > > --------------------------------- > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this > > month. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Hello Ian, The points you made are spot on. Even if I could get the SR Paramedic title it would mean bugger all to the OIM or a ships Captain. But the problem now seems to be unless you are a Nurse or Paramedic getting on an ALS and those sorts of training courses is near impossible,it's very much " are you trained? " (an RGN) if not the answer is usually no to a course because they have NO IDEA what you are or what you can do. Tim @...: irsharpe@...: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:26:50 +0500Subject: RE: HPC REGISTRATION I think the first question you need to ask is what will HPC registration dofor me ?I’ve been a medic a while now and hopefully I’m about 4 weeks from giving itall up. Those of you that know me either via this list or personally willvouch for the fact I am a complete mercenary. I have a family to feed and Iwork to live not live to work. The way I viewed HPC SR Para registrationwas;1. What will it do for me ? in my case not a lot..2. Will it increase my employability ? the answer unless you’reconsidering working for a UK ambulance service then no.3. OK so I pay out for registration will they protect or insure me ?No...4. So what’s the benefit. Ah Of course I can call myself a paramedic..Does that really matter in the oil and gas industry ? The registration whileall well good for its various reasons doesn’t really do a lot for us here inindustry ? It doesn’t make you a better medic, ok so it forces you to dosome CPD but if your keen and motivated you’d do that anyway.Bottom line, HPC registration does nothing for your average oil and gasmedic. Do yourselves a favour and spend the money on a decent quality skillscourse.... you’ll get far more benefit.....You win jobs on how good you are, your experience and by being aprofessional. You don’t win a job because you have SR Para after yourname.... unless it’s with the ambulance service......RgsIanListownerFrom: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of john walshSent: 13 September 2007 18:56To: @...: Re: HPC REGISTRATIONDear Colin,I myself am an ex cmt 1 and would rearly love some info on how to get on thehpc register and the cpd courses you do, I am still pretty much an offshore virgin after 3 trips and only out the core for 6 months so would appreciate the advice.Kind Regards Walsh>From: Colin Marshall <colin@...<mailto:colin%404-denham.freeserve.co.uk> >>Reply-To: <mailto:%40\ > >To: <mailto:%40\ > >Subject: Re: Registration for uk offshore medics>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:28:24 +0100>>Grant>>You have probably hit the nail on the head as far as the overall>management opinion (perhaps with a few exceptions) towards Medics in the>Offshore Oil & Gas industry goes.>>In general we are seen as non-productive and someone to be loaded with>all the other 'spare' jobs going around.>>Personally, in 18 years offshore, I've probably spent about 90% of my>time doing heli-admin and safety inductions.>>No wonder there is a dramatic skill fall-off after the 3 yearly medic's>refresher course. Normally the only medical training that we get. How>many out there get regular training in between the refreshers to help>maintain their skills.>>The other problem that we face is lack of recognition outside the>industry, unless you are a registered nurse no-one recognises any skills>or training that you have as an offshore medic.>>I have been fortunate enough to get on the HPC register as a Paramedic>based on my military training (CMT 1)and time spent offshore in>'practice' as an medic. The guys who interviewed me didn't understand>the role and what implications the remote locations have for us in>treating people. No sub 8 minute ambulance response times and blue light>to the local casualty for us.>>I now have to undertake a minimum number of training days of Continuous>Personal Development (CPD) training every year and, while the obligation>and cost are down to me at the moment, this is probably the best thing>for me for a long time to make sure I update my skills and knowledge.>>Should the registration of offshore medics become a reality, hopefully>some form of CPD will be implemented (perhaps even the employers will>pay) to ensure that skills and knowledge are maintained and improved.>>At the risk of being shot down take a look at the scope of practice for>Emergency Care Practitioners and think about what you do as a Medic >offshore>>Offshore Medics being recognised and appreciated as medically trained>individuals, a dream or a future reality??>>Whoops, just fallen off my soapbox.>>Colin Marshall>>Grant Duke wrote:> >> >> > Hi folks,> >> > Just become a member.> > My history is Registered Nurse with mostly emergency experience, ex> > British Army nursing officer and now currently working offshore North> > Sea for almost 2 years.> >> > Does anybody know if there is any head way in developing a registration> > for offshore medics?> >> > This idea sounds great, in theory, hopefully weeding out sub standard> > agencies and medics.> >> > Approaching my second full year offshore it has opened my eyes to how> > the role of medic isn't really taken seriously compared with other >roles.> > I feel it is partly the industry viewing us as a " necessary evil " and> > the employment of poorly or unqualified medics dropping standards and> > expectations.> >> > Anyone else come across this> >> > cheers> >> > ---------------------------------> > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this> > month.> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> >> >> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG.> > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.16/1004 - Release Date: >12/09/2007 17:22__________________________________________________________Get Pimped! 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Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Tim, I think in some respects you may be right. On the other hand, I'd say think outside the box, there are other centres of learning outside the UK and there are more than enough training providers out there willing to take your beer tokens off you if you search around. Nobody stipulates it has to be in the UK. Two good examples; There is an offshore / tactical medic (from the UK) I'm aware of gaining US registration. He works internationally and is extremely good at what he does. The US Reg will give him an edge with the US companies and allow some freedom to work in his off time. UK SR para doesn't even come into it. Another medic I know is combining at trip to New Orleans to see friends with an ALS course. It can be done, I just think it takes a little more effort. I was knocked back by a well known ambulance service from a PHTLS course, not because they didn't think I was up to it, I was well known to them and had been volunteering for them for a number of years I was simply refused because the RCS (Eng) wouldn't allow them to examine me because I wasn't trained by the IHCD.... BUT you can do the same course, same qualification outside the UK.... I understand it borders the ridiculous at times and is just one more reason why leaving the industry is a good thing, (for me) but for anyone (unlike me) who has the will power to want to stay as a medic the options are there... the problem is you have to battle a number of small minded individuals (The HPC, The RCS England and certain oil companies that will only employ nurses) but you can get there in the end. Keep the Faith ! Rgs Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 And maybe I'm just bitter and twisted and really should get off my soap box... Bottom line is medics will always get a rough deal, we're seen as necessary evil. HPC, US Para, HSE Medic in my humble opinion are not what's important. The main things are decency, honesty, professionalism and the willingness to go the extra yard to learn more so that we can make the lives of others better. It's what the individual is as a professional not what title, piece of paper or badge they wear.... Rgs Ian MEDIC___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Hi Guys, I am currentrly working through Abermed for TOTAL. I have fought hard for the last five years to get some sort of parity for the TOTAL medics with others members of ther Core Crew and to get the platforms to use us in our fields where we have knowledge and experience. Finally we have caught up with Pay, terms and conditions and I have been informed just today that nearly all our Admin Duties will be disappearing and we will be doing a lot more Occupational Health Duties. I for one would much prefer to refresh my skills annually for one week, with the main aim being topping up those skills that we use so little. I find it so boring going through certain of the lectures, which lets face it have not changed in the 15 years I have been offshore. Yes I want the ACLS and the mass casualty situation lessons, such things as Dental/Back Pain/Physiotherapy/ and a few others I say yes on your very first offshore Medics Course them, may be just a hand out on subsequent courses. Regards Neil Poole Elgin/lin Medic " Ian Sharpe " <irsharpe@...> Sent by: 13/09/2007 17:26 Please respond to To < > cc Subject RE: HPC REGISTRATION I think the first question you need to ask is what will HPC registration do for me ? I’ve been a medic a while now and hopefully I’m about 4 weeks from giving it all up. Those of you that know me either via this list or personally will vouch for the fact I am a complete mercenary. I have a family to feed and I work to live not live to work. The way I viewed HPC SR Para registration was; 1. What will it do for me ? in my case not a lot.. 2. Will it increase my employability ? the answer unless you’re considering working for a UK ambulance service then no. 3. OK so I pay out for registration will they protect or insure me ? No... 4. So what’s the benefit. Ah Of course I can call myself a paramedic.. Does that really matter in the oil and gas industry ? The registration while all well good for its various reasons doesn’t really do a lot for us here in industry ? It doesn’t make you a better medic, ok so it forces you to do some CPD but if your keen and motivated you’d do that anyway. Bottom line, HPC registration does nothing for your average oil and gas medic. Do yourselves a favour and spend the money on a decent quality skills course.... you’ll get far more benefit..... You win jobs on how good you are, your experience and by being a professional. You don’t win a job because you have SR Para after your name.... unless it’s with the ambulance service...... Rgs Ian Listowner From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of john walsh Sent: 13 September 2007 18:56 Subject: Re: HPC REGISTRATION Dear Colin, I myself am an ex cmt 1 and would rearly love some info on how to get on the hpc register and the cpd courses you do, I am still pretty much an offshore virgin after 3 trips and only out the core for 6 months so would appreciate the advice. Kind Regards Walsh >From: Colin Marshall <colin@... <mailto:colin%404-denham.freeserve.co.uk> > >Reply- <mailto:%40> > <mailto:%40> >Subject: Re: Registration for uk offshore medics >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:28:24 +0100 > >Grant > >You have probably hit the nail on the head as far as the overall >management opinion (perhaps with a few exceptions) towards Medics in the >Offshore Oil & Gas industry goes. > >In general we are seen as non-productive and someone to be loaded with >all the other 'spare' jobs going around. > >Personally, in 18 years offshore, I've probably spent about 90% of my >time doing heli-admin and safety inductions. > >No wonder there is a dramatic skill fall-off after the 3 yearly medic's >refresher course. Normally the only medical training that we get. How >many out there get regular training in between the refreshers to help >maintain their skills. > >The other problem that we face is lack of recognition outside the >industry, unless you are a registered nurse no-one recognises any skills >or training that you have as an offshore medic. > >I have been fortunate enough to get on the HPC register as a Paramedic >based on my military training (CMT 1)and time spent offshore in >'practice' as an medic. The guys who interviewed me didn't understand >the role and what implications the remote locations have for us in >treating people. No sub 8 minute ambulance response times and blue light >to the local casualty for us. > >I now have to undertake a minimum number of training days of Continuous >Personal Development (CPD) training every year and, while the obligation >and cost are down to me at the moment, this is probably the best thing >for me for a long time to make sure I update my skills and knowledge. > >Should the registration of offshore medics become a reality, hopefully >some form of CPD will be implemented (perhaps even the employers will >pay) to ensure that skills and knowledge are maintained and improved. > >At the risk of being shot down take a look at the scope of practice for >Emergency Care Practitioners and think about what you do as a Medic >offshore > >Offshore Medics being recognised and appreciated as medically trained >individuals, a dream or a future reality?? > >Whoops, just fallen off my soapbox. > >Colin Marshall > >Grant Duke wrote: > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > Just become a member. > > My history is Registered Nurse with mostly emergency experience, ex > > British Army nursing officer and now currently working offshore North > > Sea for almost 2 years. > > > > Does anybody know if there is any head way in developing a registration > > for offshore medics? > > > > This idea sounds great, in theory, hopefully weeding out sub standard > > agencies and medics. > > > > Approaching my second full year offshore it has opened my eyes to how > > the role of medic isn't really taken seriously compared with other >roles. > > I feel it is partly the industry viewing us as a " necessary evil " and > > the employment of poorly or unqualified medics dropping standards and > > expectations. > > > > Anyone else come across this > > > > cheers > > > > --------------------------------- > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this > > month. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Hello Ian, Again a good point. I'm not too bothered what I'm called as long as I'm doing a medics job and recognised (in whatever scene) for the work I produce. As far as going abroad, I also think it's the only way to go. I recently went on an ALS at Gloucester which was a disaster (they didn't even let me do the tests!). The key thing for me is not the parting with the cash but going to the right course as I find the US EMT grades well confusing but I know there will be courses around somewhere. Cheers, Tim. @...: irsharpe@...: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:19:23 +0500Subject: RE: HPC REGISTRATION Tim,I think in some respects you may be right. On the other hand, I'd say thinkoutside the box, there are other centres of learning outside the UK andthere are more than enough training providers out there willing to take yourbeer tokens off you if you search around. Nobody stipulates it has to be inthe UK.Two good examples;There is an offshore / tactical medic (from the UK) I'm aware of gaining USregistration. He works internationally and is extremely good at what hedoes. The US Reg will give him an edge with the US companies and allow somefreedom to work in his off time. UK SR para doesn't even come into it.Another medic I know is combining at trip to New Orleans to see friends withan ALS course. It can be done, I just think it takes a little more effort. I was knockedback by a well known ambulance service from a PHTLS course, not because theydidn't think I was up to it, I was well known to them and had beenvolunteering for them for a number of years I was simply refused becausethe RCS (Eng) wouldn't allow them to examine me because I wasn't trained bythe IHCD.... BUT you can do the same course, same qualification outside theUK....I understand it borders the ridiculous at times and is just one more reasonwhy leaving the industry is a good thing, (for me) but for anyone (unlikeme) who has the will power to want to stay as a medic the options arethere... the problem is you have to battle a number of small mindedindividuals (The HPC, The RCS England and certain oil companies that willonly employ nurses) but you can get there in the end.Keep the Faith !RgsIan[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Download the latest version of Windows Live Messenger NOW! http://get.live.com/en-za/messenger/overview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Ian First of all, only 4 weeks to go, congratulations' will you be sorry to see the back of the industry and being a medic? I wasn't trying to suggest that all offshore medics should by registered with the HPC as a Paramedic. It was the right thing to do for me as I've somehow migrated into the 'offshore' wind industry and, working within spitting distance of the coast, as far as I know the offshore medic's qualification isn't officially or legally recognised. I agree that HPC registration doesn't make anyone a better medic and that we should be progressing further training but in some circumstances it's too easy to become complacent, just sit back and take the money. Especially when you are treated like a general dogsbody most of the time and the company won't pay for anything other than the 3 yearly refresher. The point I was trying to make is that, if registration of offshore medics becomes a reality, CPD would be beneficial in maintaining knowledge and skills and I was using the HPC registration as an example. Regards Colin Ian Sharpe wrote: > > > I think the first question you need to ask is what will HPC registration do > for me ? > > I’ve been a medic a while now and hopefully I’m about 4 weeks from giving it > all up. Those of you that know me either via this list or personally will > vouch for the fact I am a complete mercenary. I have a family to feed and I > work to live not live to work. The way I viewed HPC SR Para registration > was; > > 1. What will it do for me ? in my case not a lot.. > > 2. Will it increase my employability ? the answer unless you’re > considering working for a UK ambulance service then no. > > 3. OK so I pay out for registration will they protect or insure me ? > No... > > 4. So what’s the benefit. Ah Of course I can call myself a paramedic.. > > Does that really matter in the oil and gas industry ? The registration while > all well good for its various reasons doesn’t really do a lot for us here in > industry ? It doesn’t make you a better medic, ok so it forces you to do > some CPD but if your keen and motivated you’d do that anyway. > > Bottom line, HPC registration does nothing for your average oil and gas > medic. Do yourselves a favour and spend the money on a decent quality skills > course.... you’ll get far more benefit..... > > You win jobs on how good you are, your experience and by being a > professional. You don’t win a job because you have SR Para after your > name.... unless it’s with the ambulance service...... > > Rgs > > Ian > > Listowner > > From: > <mailto:%40> > [mailto: > <mailto:%40>] On Behalf Of john walsh > Sent: 13 September 2007 18:56 > > <mailto:%40> > Subject: Re: HPC REGISTRATION > > Dear Colin, > > I myself am an ex cmt 1 and would rearly love some info on how to get on the > > hpc register and the cpd courses you do, I am still pretty much an offshore > virgin after 3 trips and only out the core for 6 months so would appreciate > the advice. > > Kind Regards > > Walsh > > >From: Colin Marshall <colin@... > <mailto:colin%404-denham.freeserve.co.uk> > <mailto:colin%404-denham.freeserve.co.uk> > > >Reply- > <mailto:%40> > <mailto:%40> > > > <mailto:%40> > <mailto:%40> > >Subject: Re: Registration for uk offshore medics > >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:28:24 +0100 > > > >Grant > > > >You have probably hit the nail on the head as far as the overall > >management opinion (perhaps with a few exceptions) towards Medics in the > >Offshore Oil & Gas industry goes. > > > >In general we are seen as non-productive and someone to be loaded with > >all the other 'spare' jobs going around. > > > >Personally, in 18 years offshore, I've probably spent about 90% of my > >time doing heli-admin and safety inductions. > > > >No wonder there is a dramatic skill fall-off after the 3 yearly medic's > >refresher course. Normally the only medical training that we get. How > >many out there get regular training in between the refreshers to help > >maintain their skills. > > > >The other problem that we face is lack of recognition outside the > >industry, unless you are a registered nurse no-one recognises any skills > >or training that you have as an offshore medic. > > > >I have been fortunate enough to get on the HPC register as a Paramedic > >based on my military training (CMT 1)and time spent offshore in > >'practice' as an medic. The guys who interviewed me didn't understand > >the role and what implications the remote locations have for us in > >treating people. No sub 8 minute ambulance response times and blue light > >to the local casualty for us. > > > >I now have to undertake a minimum number of training days of Continuous > >Personal Development (CPD) training every year and, while the obligation > >and cost are down to me at the moment, this is probably the best thing > >for me for a long time to make sure I update my skills and knowledge. > > > >Should the registration of offshore medics become a reality, hopefully > >some form of CPD will be implemented (perhaps even the employers will > >pay) to ensure that skills and knowledge are maintained and improved. > > > >At the risk of being shot down take a look at the scope of practice for > >Emergency Care Practitioners and think about what you do as a Medic > >offshore > > > >Offshore Medics being recognised and appreciated as medically trained > >individuals, a dream or a future reality?? > > > >Whoops, just fallen off my soapbox. > > > >Colin Marshall > > > >Grant Duke wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > Just become a member. > > > My history is Registered Nurse with mostly emergency experience, ex > > > British Army nursing officer and now currently working offshore North > > > Sea for almost 2 years. > > > > > > Does anybody know if there is any head way in developing a registration > > > for offshore medics? > > > > > > This idea sounds great, in theory, hopefully weeding out sub standard > > > agencies and medics. > > > > > > Approaching my second full year offshore it has opened my eyes to how > > > the role of medic isn't really taken seriously compared with other > >roles. > > > I feel it is partly the industry viewing us as a " necessary evil " and > > > the employment of poorly or unqualified medics dropping standards and > > > expectations. > > > > > > Anyone else come across this > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this > > > month. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Unfortunately Ian it is all about the qualifications and the registration with the appropriate bodies. Your right the HPC it may not mean much in the oil industry but as you have stated unless you have a professional body there is nothing to fall back on. Military medics are excellent but the only employer for them outside of the MOD is the Oil industry which is limiting. Being professional, excellent at what you do should be the most important thing but it is not. Having the right bit of paper and the registration is, sad but true. Ian Sharpe <irsharpe@...> wrote: I think the first question you need to ask is what will HPC registration do for me ? I’ve been a medic a while now and hopefully I’m about 4 weeks from giving it all up. Those of you that know me either via this list or personally will vouch for the fact I am a complete mercenary. I have a family to feed and I work to live not live to work. The way I viewed HPC SR Para registration was; 1. What will it do for me ? in my case not a lot.. 2. Will it increase my employability ? the answer unless you’re considering working for a UK ambulance service then no. 3. OK so I pay out for registration will they protect or insure me ? No... 4. So what’s the benefit. Ah Of course I can call myself a paramedic.. Does that really matter in the oil and gas industry ? The registration while all well good for its various reasons doesn’t really do a lot for us here in industry ? It doesn’t make you a better medic, ok so it forces you to do some CPD but if your keen and motivated you’d do that anyway. Bottom line, HPC registration does nothing for your average oil and gas medic. Do yourselves a favour and spend the money on a decent quality skills course.... you’ll get far more benefit..... You win jobs on how good you are, your experience and by being a professional. You don’t win a job because you have SR Para after your name.... unless it’s with the ambulance service...... Rgs Ian Listowner From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of john walsh Sent: 13 September 2007 18:56 Subject: Re: HPC REGISTRATION Dear Colin, I myself am an ex cmt 1 and would rearly love some info on how to get on the hpc register and the cpd courses you do, I am still pretty much an offshore virgin after 3 trips and only out the core for 6 months so would appreciate the advice. Kind Regards Walsh >From: Colin Marshall <colin@... <mailto:colin%404-denham.freeserve.co.uk> > >Reply- <mailto:%40> > <mailto:%40> >Subject: Re: Registration for uk offshore medics >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:28:24 +0100 > >Grant > >You have probably hit the nail on the head as far as the overall >management opinion (perhaps with a few exceptions) towards Medics in the >Offshore Oil & Gas industry goes. > >In general we are seen as non-productive and someone to be loaded with >all the other 'spare' jobs going around. > >Personally, in 18 years offshore, I've probably spent about 90% of my >time doing heli-admin and safety inductions. > >No wonder there is a dramatic skill fall-off after the 3 yearly medic's >refresher course. Normally the only medical training that we get. How >many out there get regular training in between the refreshers to help >maintain their skills. > >The other problem that we face is lack of recognition outside the >industry, unless you are a registered nurse no-one recognises any skills >or training that you have as an offshore medic. > >I have been fortunate enough to get on the HPC register as a Paramedic >based on my military training (CMT 1)and time spent offshore in >'practice' as an medic. The guys who interviewed me didn't understand >the role and what implications the remote locations have for us in >treating people. No sub 8 minute ambulance response times and blue light >to the local casualty for us. > >I now have to undertake a minimum number of training days of Continuous >Personal Development (CPD) training every year and, while the obligation >and cost are down to me at the moment, this is probably the best thing >for me for a long time to make sure I update my skills and knowledge. > >Should the registration of offshore medics become a reality, hopefully >some form of CPD will be implemented (perhaps even the employers will >pay) to ensure that skills and knowledge are maintained and improved. > >At the risk of being shot down take a look at the scope of practice for >Emergency Care Practitioners and think about what you do as a Medic >offshore > >Offshore Medics being recognised and appreciated as medically trained >individuals, a dream or a future reality?? > >Whoops, just fallen off my soapbox. > >Colin Marshall > >Grant Duke wrote: > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > Just become a member. > > My history is Registered Nurse with mostly emergency experience, ex > > British Army nursing officer and now currently working offshore North > > Sea for almost 2 years. > > > > Does anybody know if there is any head way in developing a registration > > for offshore medics? > > > > This idea sounds great, in theory, hopefully weeding out sub standard > > agencies and medics. > > > > Approaching my second full year offshore it has opened my eyes to how > > the role of medic isn't really taken seriously compared with other >roles. > > I feel it is partly the industry viewing us as a " necessary evil " and > > the employment of poorly or unqualified medics dropping standards and > > expectations. > > > > Anyone else come across this > > > > cheers > > > > --------------------------------- > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this > > month. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 your right Ian, but for employers today regardless of industry the right bit of paper or title is more important Ian Sharpe <irsharpe@...> wrote: And maybe I'm just bitter and twisted and really should get off my soap box... Bottom line is medics will always get a rough deal, we're seen as necessary evil. HPC, US Para, HSE Medic in my humble opinion are not what's important. The main things are decency, honesty, professionalism and the willingness to go the extra yard to learn more so that we can make the lives of others better. It's what the individual is as a professional not what title, piece of paper or badge they wear.... Rgs Ian MEDIC___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Definitely not. I'm over the moon to be moving on.... Re: Registration for uk offshore medics > >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:28:24 +0100 > > > >Grant > > > >You have probably hit the nail on the head as far as the overall > >management opinion (perhaps with a few exceptions) towards Medics in the > >Offshore Oil & Gas industry goes. > > > >In general we are seen as non-productive and someone to be loaded with > >all the other 'spare' jobs going around. > > > >Personally, in 18 years offshore, I've probably spent about 90% of my > >time doing heli-admin and safety inductions. > > > >No wonder there is a dramatic skill fall-off after the 3 yearly medic's > >refresher course. Normally the only medical training that we get. How > >many out there get regular training in between the refreshers to help > >maintain their skills. > > > >The other problem that we face is lack of recognition outside the > >industry, unless you are a registered nurse no-one recognises any skills > >or training that you have as an offshore medic. > > > >I have been fortunate enough to get on the HPC register as a Paramedic > >based on my military training (CMT 1)and time spent offshore in > >'practice' as an medic. The guys who interviewed me didn't understand > >the role and what implications the remote locations have for us in > >treating people. No sub 8 minute ambulance response times and blue light > >to the local casualty for us. > > > >I now have to undertake a minimum number of training days of Continuous > >Personal Development (CPD) training every year and, while the obligation > >and cost are down to me at the moment, this is probably the best thing > >for me for a long time to make sure I update my skills and knowledge. > > > >Should the registration of offshore medics become a reality, hopefully > >some form of CPD will be implemented (perhaps even the employers will > >pay) to ensure that skills and knowledge are maintained and improved. > > > >At the risk of being shot down take a look at the scope of practice for > >Emergency Care Practitioners and think about what you do as a Medic > >offshore > > > >Offshore Medics being recognised and appreciated as medically trained > >individuals, a dream or a future reality?? > > > >Whoops, just fallen off my soapbox. > > > >Colin Marshall > > > >Grant Duke wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > Just become a member. > > > My history is Registered Nurse with mostly emergency experience, ex > > > British Army nursing officer and now currently working offshore North > > > Sea for almost 2 years. > > > > > > Does anybody know if there is any head way in developing a registration > > > for offshore medics? > > > > > > This idea sounds great, in theory, hopefully weeding out sub standard > > > agencies and medics. > > > > > > Approaching my second full year offshore it has opened my eyes to how > > > the role of medic isn't really taken seriously compared with other > >roles. > > > I feel it is partly the industry viewing us as a " necessary evil " and > > > the employment of poorly or unqualified medics dropping standards and > > > expectations. > > > > > > Anyone else come across this > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this > > > month. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Grant, I still don't completely agree. I joined the industry in 95 the only piece of paper I have ever had is the offshore cert.... and thats not even been asked for since 97 when I left the north sea ( i do keep it up though) Most of my jobs have been won on the basis of my experience and proving to the people along the way I can get the job done, so far I've managed to stay in work constantly and now have a day rate that puts N Sea rates to shame. I'm not even a particularly good medic meerly one that " meets " the average Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to say that the pieces of paper are worthless, I'm just pointing out that that they are not always the most important thing the employer looks for. (and I've done my share of recruiting and managing medics) Personnel win and lose jobs for a variety of reasons, I'm aware of guys who have been knocked back for being over qualified... In terms of offshore medic registration while I think its a great idea I'm somewhat cynical as to whether its even plausable. This was being discussed back in 95 when I joined the industry, I'm not convinced its not a reality, no matter how much good it would do us, there are to many people / companies with fingers in the pie who would only be involved for there own gain. The powers that be would communicate with one or two big organisations and it would just end up being a done deal and fatally flawed... Rgs Ian > > > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > Just become a member. > > > My history is Registered Nurse with mostly emergency experience, ex > > > British Army nursing officer and now currently working offshore North > > > Sea for almost 2 years. > > > > > > Does anybody know if there is any head way in developing a registration > > > for offshore medics? > > > > > > This idea sounds great, in theory, hopefully weeding out sub standard > > > agencies and medics. > > > > > > Approaching my second full year offshore it has opened my eyes to how > > > the role of medic isn't really taken seriously compared with other > >roles. > > > I feel it is partly the industry viewing us as a " necessary evil " and > > > the employment of poorly or unqualified medics dropping standards and > > > expectations. > > > > > > Anyone else come across this > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this > > > month. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Morning Ian, I'm sat in sunny Iraq at the moment,but it beats working for Frontier! Re: the earlier message, any tips as to just where/who you friend goes to for his US paramedic training? I see all sorts of sites but as 'm not an RGN etc finding the right place to go to etc is a mystery. Cheers, Tim. @...: irsharpe@...: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:19:23 +0500Subject: RE: HPC REGISTRATION Tim,I think in some respects you may be right. On the other hand, I'd say thinkoutside the box, there are other centres of learning outside the UK andthere are more than enough training providers out there willing to take yourbeer tokens off you if you search around. Nobody stipulates it has to be inthe UK.Two good examples;There is an offshore / tactical medic (from the UK) I'm aware of gaining USregistration. He works internationally and is extremely good at what hedoes. The US Reg will give him an edge with the US companies and allow somefreedom to work in his off time. UK SR para doesn't even come into it.Another medic I know is combining at trip to New Orleans to see friends withan ALS course. It can be done, I just think it takes a little more effort. I was knockedback by a well known ambulance service from a PHTLS course, not because theydidn't think I was up to it, I was well known to them and had beenvolunteering for them for a number of years I was simply refused becausethe RCS (Eng) wouldn't allow them to examine me because I wasn't trained bythe IHCD.... BUT you can do the same course, same qualification outside theUK....I understand it borders the ridiculous at times and is just one more reasonwhy leaving the industry is a good thing, (for me) but for anyone (unlikeme) who has the will power to want to stay as a medic the options arethere... the problem is you have to battle a number of small mindedindividuals (The HPC, The RCS England and certain oil companies that willonly employ nurses) but you can get there in the end.Keep the Faith !RgsIan[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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