Re: Re: sweat question + stress levels

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In a message dated 6/11/03 7:51:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> as for deoderant, if i were still teaching, i bet i'd be using it too! but

> i

> rarely use it these days because a) other than when i drink coffee or work

> out, i don't seem to sweat much, and i work at home alone, so there's

> nobody to smell me except my lap dog, but i always smell sweet to *her* :-)

you know, the main reason i use deodorant is because i've been brainwashed

into doing it for social acceptableness. but when i run out i often go two

weeks to a month without buying any because i don't feel like spending the extra

few bucks. no one complains. hmm, is that an indication i'm wasting my money?

mercola recommends using baking soda " if you have to. " because of the

aluminum. i guess he thinks the good deodorants are too expensive.

chris

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>>>On the other side of stress....this past school year was particulary

bad. I had large classes with a bunch of wayward adolescents that

disrupted my class continually. I gave up on natural deodorants and

went straight back to the drugstore. Now it's summer and I'm back to

the natural stuff. If the flight-fight mechanisms can kick up the

endocrine system to the notch stinky stuff gets produced maybe other

stressors can also.

------>yes, including *coffee* it seems! well, this is day three of no

coffee. i'm drinking yerba mate this morning and not noticably sweating.

hmmm...this will be an interesting experiment. not that i expect to have

sweet-smelling sweat or anything, but it will be interesting to see after a

few coffee-less weeks if the odor diminishes. i actually think it already

has, but it may be too early to tell.

as for deoderant, if i were still teaching, i bet i'd be using it too! but i

rarely use it these days because a) other than when i drink coffee or work

out, i don't seem to sweat much, and i work at home alone, so there's

nobody to smell me except my lap dog, but i always smell sweet to *her* :-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

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>I was eating little protein ...the family I was living with couldn't

>afford it so it was mostly rice and potato combinations with small

>amounts of meat and peanut butter and bananas.

>This has also happened on other trips to the point I forget about

>using deodorant or shaving.

" The urea and water are filtered out by your kidneys and rejected as a

waste product, urine. Urea outside the body quickly becomes ammonia and

will be oxidized by special bacteria (called nitrifiers) into nitrates. All

these 'reactive' nitrogen sources can be used to form amino groups for new

amino acids, thus proteins. "

I kind of wonder if the urea from meat might have something to do with it

too -- eating meat DOES cause more urea to be produced -- whether that is a

good thing or bad I don't know (nitrates in the armpits might kill

bacteria? or would the urea feed the bacteria?). Maybe the amount of meat

plus the amount of calcium plus the amount of exercise or something affects

urea production.

Also hormones -- men " stink " more than women primarily because of hormones,

and hard exercise causes women to produce more male hormones. The cortisol

levels change depending on all kinds of stuff -- I'm guessing that being

outside in " nature " with all that sun and living a life that is closer to

the earth (yeah, it sounds cliche) regulates cortisol levels, which may be

why old ladies who garden have stronger bones and muscles.

Caffeine affects cortisol too ...

-- Heidi

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Hi Lynn,

i heard recently that taking chlorophyll will do the trick, and someone i know

tried it with success. if you are using antipersperant and stop, the toxins

being released (both natural and from the old built up antipersperant?) cause a

lot of odor. it may take more than a day or so for the chlorophyll to work. i

don't know if it's the sort of thing you can take for long periods.

sonya

Re: sweat question + stress levels

> I've recently started using a crystal rock deodorant - just

something

> I picked up at a health food store. It's a type of salt formed

into

> a large lump - just wet it and use it - the salt kills the bacteria

> that cause the smell, but it doesn't stop you sweating.

> The only thing is, the ingredient listed is ammonium alum - I have

no

> idea what this is

---->The way I understand it the amonium alum is too large to get

through the skin pores otherwise it would work like the aluminum in

regualr deodorant. This is the only " natural " deodorant that will

sorta work for me if I'm having a sweat and smell period. But the

only thing that really truly works is rotten drugstore stuff.

Personally I wouldn't care if I didn't have to work with teens.... or

anyone that would notice... but can't do that.

Anyhow I'm going to have to pay more attention to this phenomenea.

Does different stress cause different odors??? I hadn't really

thought about it before...wonder if it's related to a rise in

cortisol levels.

Lynn

>

> > mercola recommends using baking soda " if you have to. " because

of

> the

> > aluminum. i guess he thinks the good deodorants are too

expensive.

> >

>

>

- can anyone suggest whether it's a good

> alternative to commercial deodorants, or just another marketing

ploy?

>

> THanks

>

> Jo

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but when i run out i often go two

> weeks to a month without buying any because i don't feel like spending the

extra

> few bucks. no one complains. hmm, is that an indication i'm wasting my

money?

>

>

> mercola recommends using baking soda " if you have to. " because of the

> aluminum. i guess he thinks the good deodorants are too expensive.

>

> chris

>

Maybe no one is rude enough to tell you that you smell bad. ) I wonder

about that myself using the " natural " stuff, at the end of the day it isn't

working as well as at the beginning.

Michele in WA

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> I've recently started using a crystal rock deodorant - just something

> I picked up at a health food store. It's a type of salt formed into

> a large lump - just wet it and use it - the salt kills the bacteria

> that cause the smell, but it doesn't stop you sweating.

>

> The only thing is, the ingredient listed is ammonium alum - I have no

> idea what this is - can anyone suggest whether it's a good

> alternative to commercial deodorants, or just another marketing ploy?

>

> THanks

>

> Jo

I was going to mention when I saw that someone was using these rock

deodorants that I did read (I think in Cure for all Cancer book) that these

have aluminum just like the drugstore stuff. The impression I got was that

it was going to have the same negative/toxic effect on your body as the

drugstore chemical anti-perspirant.

Michele in WA

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Michele Rowley wrote:

> Maybe no one is rude enough to tell you that you smell bad. ) I wonder

> about that myself using the " natural " stuff, at the end of the day it isn't

> working as well as at the beginning.

The Crystal works great for the entire day. But I use it in spray form. Maybe it

gets applied better this way.

Roman

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In a message dated 6/11/03 5:43:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jrowley8@... writes:

> Maybe no one is rude enough to tell you that you smell bad. )

Nice people :-)

I wonder

> about that myself using the " natural " stuff, at the end of the day it isn't

> working as well as at the beginning.

Dunno. I never notice myself smelling, but my sense of smell isn't that

great. It does seem a lot better than it used to be though, and I wonder

whether

that's from zinc from red meat.

-chris

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> Nice people :-)

They just politely avoid you after that. :-)

> I wonder

> > about that myself using the " natural " stuff, at the end of the day it

isn't

> > working as well as at the beginning.

>

> Dunno. I never notice myself smelling, but my sense of smell isn't that

> great. It does seem a lot better than it used to be though, and I wonder

whether

> that's from zinc from red meat.

Well I don't notice a cloud of odor following me around, but I occasionally

" check " my clothes that rest under that area, and if I notice the

" teeniest " odor I panic and figure I need clean up a little or put on more

deodorant. Honestly if I forget to put anything on I can go all day and not

notice anything different. I just figure no one is going to " tell you " if

you smell.

Michele

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>Dunno. I never notice myself smelling, but my sense of smell isn't that

>great. It does seem a lot better than it used to be though, and I wonder

>whether

>that's from zinc from red meat.

>

>-chris

Try a Neti pot. I could NOT believe how well I could smell after I used it.

-- Heidi

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In a message dated 6/12/03 12:28:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

jrowley8@... writes:

> Well I don't notice a cloud of odor following me around, but I occasionally

> " check " my clothes that rest under that area, and if I notice the

> " teeniest " odor I panic and figure I need clean up a little or put on more

> deodorant.

I smell my clothes sometimes to see whether it's worth changing them or not,

and usually don't notice an odor really. I don't necessarily change my

clothes every day unless they are dirty, they smell, or I feel like wearing

something else. I don't really see why a " teeny " odor is something to panic

about. I

can see trying to remedy it, but not panicing!

Honestly if I forget to put anything on I can go all day and not

> notice anything different. I just figure no one is going to " tell you " if

> you smell.

Oh, I know people who would tell me if I smelled bad.

I remember times when I've sweat in my armpits at certain times, but lately

I sweat primarily my face, followed by my chest and back. These apparently

don't smell very bad compared to armpits. But I think actual odor can have

different smells to that might be more or less pleasant. If I stick my nose in

my

armpit and smell it I usually have a subtle to moderate smell, but I wouldn't

call it a *bad* one. I don't know if I'd make a cologne out of it, but hey,

maybe an incense stick :-)

-chris

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In a message dated 6/12/03 1:31:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

heidis@... writes:

> Try a Neti pot. I could NOT believe how well I could smell after I used it.

Heidi, I've read your posts about the Neti pot. IIRC, the operative factor

is the whey, right? I have an empty nasal spray that I was using while

following Russ Newman's anti-candida protocol for the purpose of putting

colloidal

silver/MSM up my nose. If I fill this with whey, will it have the same effect?

It seems easier than *pouring* something in my nose (if i understand the

netti pot correctly), plus I don't have to buy anything new.

Do you just use whey in the pot or do you mix it? Do you think just spraying

it and inhaling will work?

thanks,

chris

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In a message dated 6/12/03 1:05:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Idol@... writes:

> No, Heidi favors including some kefir whey, but the primary principle of

> the Neti pot is pouring warm salted water through your nose and out your

> mouth to completely wash out your nose. I never added any whey, and I

> found it to be extremely effective and helpful. (And then I got busy,

> forgot to do it and got out of the habit. I've got to start again.)

Oh, ok, thanks . I'll have to try it some time. First I want to see how

my sense of smell is now, somehow developing some test against some other

people. That I don't have a sense of smell is based on incidents of not being

able to smell things that date back over a year ago. Haven't noticed not

smelling things lately, and have actually been able to smell things that other

people couldn't. I was a vegetarian until soon before I started NT/WAP eating,

for

two years. While I took zinc supplments, I seriously doubt their

bioavailability so that might account for it. Also since eating this way, I can

breathe

out of my nose much more easily. While I still typically have one nostril

partially blocked, I can breathe through my nose and not feel like I can't get

enough air most of the time now, a great departure from my *entire* life. Dunno

if my facial structure is changing, or if it's lower level of inflammation

from omega-3s and SFAs, or what. Probably do have plenty of mold and whatever

else caked up in there from so many years of a stuffed nose though, and would

probably be good to do the netti pot either way.

chris

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Chris-

>IIRC, the operative factor

>is the whey, right?

No, Heidi favors including some kefir whey, but the primary principle of

the Neti pot is pouring warm salted water through your nose and out your

mouth to completely wash out your nose. I never added any whey, and I

found it to be extremely effective and helpful. (And then I got busy,

forgot to do it and got out of the habit. I've got to start again.)

-

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>Heidi, I've read your posts about the Neti pot. IIRC, the operative factor

>is the whey, right? I have an empty nasal spray that I was using while

>following Russ Newman's anti-candida protocol for the purpose of putting

>colloidal

>silver/MSM up my nose. If I fill this with whey, will it have the same

>effect?

I have no idea technically WHY it works, just guesses based on my

results. Plain salt water works pretty well -- the whey seems to kill

bacteria better though. This is based purely on experimentation with 3

noses (a small sample). I THINK the whey might work because it is full of

bacteriophages. It does not seem to set up an " infection " of kefir

bacteria. The 4th nose though said the whey stung her nose too bad -- she

wasn't using baking soda though, so maybe it was too acidic. I would think

the silver would kill whatever is in the whey, so they probably shouldn't

be used together.

> It seems easier than *pouring* something in my nose (if i understand the

>netti pot correctly), plus I don't have to buy anything new.

Yes, but a Neti pot DOES work better. I put it off for a long time. My

allergist says if you don't have a Neti pot, use a child's teapot. Or a

creamer with a little spout. Pouring doesn't seem intuitive, but it IS

easier. Really.

>Do you just use whey in the pot or do you mix it? Do you think just spraying

>it and inhaling will work?

I use 2 cups warm water, 1/2 tsp. baking soda, 1/2 tsp. salt, 1 t. whey.

When it pours, it goes way into the upper palate area and cleans it out,

somehow -- inhaling doesn't do that. But if in fact the whey is

bacteriocidal and you have an infection, it might work just spraying it.

-- Heidi

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>No, Heidi favors including some kefir whey, but the primary principle of

>the Neti pot is pouring warm salted water through your nose and out your

>mouth to completely wash out your nose.

I don't let it go out my mouth though -- I would gag at that! If you lean

forward and tilt your head, it will go in one nostril and out the other,

and NOT down your throat. Going down your throat might help in some ways,

but I think a lot of folks might not use the pot if they had to do that.

Big chunks of goop come out, and THAT going down the back of your throat

would definitely be gagalicious ...

-- Heidi

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Heidi-

>I don't let it go out my mouth though -- I would gag at that! If you lean

>forward and tilt your head, it will go in one nostril and out the other,

>and NOT down your throat.

You can do the in-one-nostril-out-the-other method, but I found that only a

fraction as useful as the down-the-throat path. (It's not really down the

throat anyway, I just spit it all out into the sink.)

-

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In a message dated 6/12/03 9:01:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jrowley8@... writes:

> Well, um, I'm sure certain people would be attracted to that, I can't think

> of anyone off the top of my head though :-)

How do you know if you're not familiar with my body odor? :-P

chris

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I don't know if I'd make a cologne out of it, but hey,

> maybe an incense stick :-)

>

> -chris

Well, um, I'm sure certain people would be attracted to that, I can't think

of anyone off the top of my head though :-)

Michele

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>You can do the in-one-nostril-out-the-other method, but I found that only a

>fraction as useful as the down-the-throat path. (It's not really down the

>throat anyway, I just spit it all out into the sink.)

Hmm. That is logical. Another giant step though ... I gag easy ...

-- Heidi

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Heidi-

>Hmm. That is logical. Another giant step though ... I gag easy ...

Have you ever snorted to clear your nose and then spat and swallowed? It's

actually a lot easier than that once you get the hang of it, which took me

about ten seconds. OTOH my girlfriend, who became something of a Neti pot

convert (that's probably the most alternative I've ever seen her get! <g>)

has the same problem you do, and hasn't even come close to trying the

better method.

-

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>Have you ever snorted to clear your nose and then spat and swallowed?

No!

> It's

>actually a lot easier than that once you get the hang of it, which took me

>about ten seconds. OTOH my girlfriend, who became something of a Neti pot

>convert (that's probably the most alternative I've ever seen her get! <g>)

>has the same problem you do, and hasn't even come close to trying the

>better method.

Tell her I sympathize. Anyway, the Neti works fine for me as is, without

undue throat-challenge!

-- Heidi

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In a message dated 6/13/03 3:01:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

heidis@... writes:

> >Have you ever snorted to clear your nose and then spat and swallowed?

>

> No!

really? is this a gender thing?

lol

chris