Re: High-Strength Hydrogen Peroxide

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I was always informed that if you use Hydrogen Peroxide for cleaning out

wounds, then you should flush the wound with Normal Saline to prevent the

possibility of necrosis occurring.

regards

Neil Poole

Elgin/lin

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Subject: High-Strength Hydrogen Peroxide

Does Medwatch have the same advice about ingesting

high strength hydrochloric acid or giving it IV..???

Good grief why would anyone give someone a drink of

Hydrogen Peroxide as a medical treatment...unless as

an antidote to Black Magic....! I do believe some

ladies in the former Soviet Union used products like

this to discover if blondes do have more fun, but they

never drank the stuff, even on bad days.

However speaking of 6% Hydrogen Peroxide I know that

it is well regarded as a treament for wounds and

lacerations particularly against gas gangrene - it

also seves to 'effervesce' clean out small debris from

wounds and the heat given off can slow some

bleeding...however the Topside medical advisor I am

required to contact does not allow its use as, 'it

causes necrosis'..!

Any observations on that ?

P.

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Hello - I am sorry to butt-into this conversation, but instead of 'Hydrogen

Peroxide,' did someone mean 'magnesium hydroxide? (milk of magnesia)? They

are by no means the same, nor have the same action, but I guess if you were

writing them down or discussing them in heated debate, one could mis-write

the two sperate compounds.

Just my two cents.

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Subject: Re: High-Strength Hydrogen Peroxide

I was always informed that if you use Hydrogen Peroxide for cleaning out

wounds, then you should flush the wound with Normal Saline to prevent the

possibility of necrosis occurring.

regards

Neil Poole

Elgin/lin

peter mitchell <treetop_bay@ <mailto:treetop_bay%40.co.uk> .co.uk>

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30/07/2006 08:10

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Subject: High-Strength Hydrogen Peroxide

Does Medwatch have the same advice about ingesting

high strength hydrochloric acid or giving it IV..???

Good grief why would anyone give someone a drink of

Hydrogen Peroxide as a medical treatment...unless as

an antidote to Black Magic....! I do believe some

ladies in the former Soviet Union used products like

this to discover if blondes do have more fun, but they

never drank the stuff, even on bad days.

However speaking of 6% Hydrogen Peroxide I know that

it is well regarded as a treament for wounds and

lacerations particularly against gas gangrene - it

also seves to 'effervesce' clean out small debris from

wounds and the heat given off can slow some

bleeding...however the Topside medical advisor I am

required to contact does not allow its use as, 'it

causes necrosis'..!

Any observations on that ?

P.

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Regarding PO and IV administration of H2O2, there was a paper published a

few years ago titled " Hydrogen Peroxide - Curse or Cure? " in which the

author defines differences between various available grades and

concentrations of the stuff. In addition to advice on how to use H2O2 for

care of pet fish or to improve houseplant growth, the author advised human

therapeutic usage of 35% " food grade " H2O2.

Back in 1988 some quack calling him/herself " Waves Forest " wrote a paper

titled " Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2); How Does it Work? " in which he/she made

bold statements on the benefits for various chronic, fatal diseases, citing

" increased oxygenation of the blood " . As a result the alternative medicine

practioners promoted IV administration of H2O2 as therapy for HIV and CA,

but I think they may have cooled on that following a couple of related

deaths. Quack Watch has an article on this.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/oxygen.html

Topical administration of 3% or 6% H2O2 for wound cleansing has been

discouraged by Medical Director for some time.

Regards,

Donn

High-Strength Hydrogen Peroxide

Does Medwatch have the same advice about ingesting

high strength hydrochloric acid or giving it IV..???

Good grief why would anyone give someone a drink of

Hydrogen Peroxide as a medical treatment...unless as

an antidote to Black Magic....! I do believe some

ladies in the former Soviet Union used products like

this to discover if blondes do have more fun, but they

never drank the stuff, even on bad days.

However speaking of 6% Hydrogen Peroxide I know that

it is well regarded as a treament for wounds and

lacerations particularly against gas gangrene - it

also seves to 'effervesce' clean out small debris from

wounds and the heat given off can slow some

bleeding...however the Topside medical advisor I am

required to contact does not allow its use as, 'it

causes necrosis'..!

Any observations on that ?

P.

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Hi ,

the topic was sort of double edgeed. Started off on ingesting the stuff

and went onto using it to clean wounds.

Regards

Neil

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Hello - I am sorry to butt-into this conversation, but instead of

'Hydrogen

Peroxide,' did someone mean 'magnesium hydroxide? (milk of magnesia)? They

are by no means the same, nor have the same action, but I guess if you

were

writing them down or discussing them in heated debate, one could mis-write

the two sperate compounds.

Just my two cents.

Quinn

cuinne@...

+420 608 246 032

+1 630 747 9081

Please excuse any late email replies as I will be at a remote clinical

site

in Northern Iraq until further notice

_____

From:

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Sent: 30 July 2006 12:56

Subject: Re: High-Strength Hydrogen Peroxide

I was always informed that if you use Hydrogen Peroxide for cleaning out

wounds, then you should flush the wound with Normal Saline to prevent the

possibility of necrosis occurring.

regards

Neil Poole

Elgin/lin

peter mitchell <treetop_bay@ <mailto:treetop_bay%40.co.uk> .co.uk>

Sent by: <mailto:%40>

30/07/2006 08:10

Please respond to

<mailto:%40>

cc:

Subject: High-Strength Hydrogen Peroxide

Does Medwatch have the same advice about ingesting

high strength hydrochloric acid or giving it IV..???

Good grief why would anyone give someone a drink of

Hydrogen Peroxide as a medical treatment...unless as

an antidote to Black Magic....! I do believe some

ladies in the former Soviet Union used products like

this to discover if blondes do have more fun, but they

never drank the stuff, even on bad days.

However speaking of 6% Hydrogen Peroxide I know that

it is well regarded as a treament for wounds and

lacerations particularly against gas gangrene - it

also seves to 'effervesce' clean out small debris from

wounds and the heat given off can slow some

bleeding...however the Topside medical advisor I am

required to contact does not allow its use as, 'it

causes necrosis'..!

Any observations on that ?

P.

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Donn:

Are you certain on the author?

I thought that was Forrest Gump.

Hydrogen Peroxide is an Oxygen radical is it not.

Past use of this has been discouraged for Trach sites in the Hospital's were

I last worked, not in the human body we were instructed.

I can not remember if it falls into the Hypochlorite family of bactericidal,

I suspect Donn may correct me.

It does work marvellously on Teflon, Nylon, and Plastics (most Trachs these

days) a very effective cleaning agent, less micro abrasions than scraping

with assorted brushes.

Cheers

Wilf

High-Strength Hydrogen Peroxide

>

> Does Medwatch have the same advice about ingesting

> high strength hydrochloric acid or giving it IV..???

>

> Good grief why would anyone give someone a drink of

> Hydrogen Peroxide as a medical treatment...unless as

> an antidote to Black Magic....! I do believe some

> ladies in the former Soviet Union used products like

> this to discover if blondes do have more fun, but they

> never drank the stuff, even on bad days.

>

> However speaking of 6% Hydrogen Peroxide I know that

> it is well regarded as a treament for wounds and

> lacerations particularly against gas gangrene - it

> also seves to 'effervesce' clean out small debris from

> wounds and the heat given off can slow some

> bleeding...however the Topside medical advisor I am

> required to contact does not allow its use as, 'it

> causes necrosis'..!

>

> Any observations on that ?

>

> P.

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Hi Pete,

The literature I've seen says that the bubbling action cleans out

debris. It also cleans out the developing granulation tissue and

therefore retards healing.

You shouldn't see necrosis, but delayed healing.

Best,

LT

peter mitchell wrote:

> ...it

> also seves to 'effervesce' clean out small debris from

> wounds and the heat given off can slow some

> bleeding...however the Topside medical advisor I am

> required to contact does not allow its use as, 'it

> causes necrosis'..!

>

> Any observations on that ?

[Guest guest]

Wilf,

I thought you were still using on that troubling rash of yours! lol

Jeff M

Wilf Mackie <w.mackie@...> wrote:

Donn:

Are you certain on the author?

I thought that was Forrest Gump.

Hydrogen Peroxide is an Oxygen radical is it not.

Past use of this has been discouraged for Trach sites in the Hospital's were

I last worked, not in the human body we were instructed.

I can not remember if it falls into the Hypochlorite family of bactericidal,

I suspect Donn may correct me.

It does work marvellously on Teflon, Nylon, and Plastics (most Trachs these

days) a very effective cleaning agent, less micro abrasions than scraping

with assorted brushes.

Cheers

Wilf

High-Strength Hydrogen Peroxide

>

> Does Medwatch have the same advice about ingesting

> high strength hydrochloric acid or giving it IV..???

>

> Good grief why would anyone give someone a drink of

> Hydrogen Peroxide as a medical treatment...unless as

> an antidote to Black Magic....! I do believe some

> ladies in the former Soviet Union used products like

> this to discover if blondes do have more fun, but they

> never drank the stuff, even on bad days.

>

> However speaking of 6% Hydrogen Peroxide I know that

> it is well regarded as a treament for wounds and

> lacerations particularly against gas gangrene - it

> also seves to 'effervesce' clean out small debris from

> wounds and the heat given off can slow some

> bleeding...however the Topside medical advisor I am

> required to contact does not allow its use as, 'it

> causes necrosis'..!

>

> Any observations on that ?

>

> P.

>

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" D.E. (Donn) " <donn@...> wrote:

Regarding PO and IV administration of H2O2, there was a paper published a

few years ago titled " Hydrogen Peroxide - Curse or Cure? " in which the

author defines differences between various available grades and

concentrations of the stuff. In addition to advice on how to use H2O2 for

care of pet fish or to improve houseplant growth, the author advised human

therapeutic usage of 35% " food grade " H2O2.

______________________________

All you need to do is recall Listers Solution

Yes the imminent English surgeon

Trialed a solution of IVJavel water in the contexto of septic schock/blood

poisonning ! ! ! ? ? ?

Back in 1988 some quack calling him/herself " Waves Forest " wrote a paper

titled " Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2); How Does it Work? " in which he/she made

bold statements on the benefits for various chronic, fatal diseases, citing

" increased oxygenation of the blood " . As a result the alternative medicine

practioners promoted IV administration of H2O2 as therapy for HIV and CA,

but I think they may have cooled on that following a couple of related

deaths. Quack Watch has an article on this.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/oxygen.html

Topical administration of 3% or 6% H2O2 for wound cleansing has been

discouraged by Medical Director for some time.

Regards,

Donn

High-Strength Hydrogen Peroxide

Does Medwatch have the same advice about ingesting

high strength hydrochloric acid or giving it IV..???

Good grief why would anyone give someone a drink of

Hydrogen Peroxide as a medical treatment...unless as

an antidote to Black Magic....! I do believe some

ladies in the former Soviet Union used products like

this to discover if blondes do have more fun, but they

never drank the stuff, even on bad days.

However speaking of 6% Hydrogen Peroxide I know that

it is well regarded as a treament for wounds and

lacerations particularly against gas gangrene - it

also seves to 'effervesce' clean out small debris from

wounds and the heat given off can slow some

bleeding...however the Topside medical advisor I am

required to contact does not allow its use as, 'it

causes necrosis'..!

Any observations on that ?

P.

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Larry Torrey <ltorrey@...> wrote: Hi Pete,

The literature I've seen says that the bubbling action cleans out

debris. It also cleans out the developing granulation tissue and

therefore retards healing.

You shouldn't see necrosis, but delayed healing.

________________________

Common wisdom takes this into consideration

And allows H2O2 for INITIAL wound cleansing

Whilst not using it has last solution into the wound

As mentionned

It is proscribed for wound maintenance/cleaning in my neck of the world

Best,

LT

peter mitchell wrote:

> ...it

> also seves to 'effervesce' clean out small debris from

> wounds and the heat given off can slow some

> bleeding...however the Topside medical advisor I am

> required to contact does not allow its use as, 'it

> causes necrosis'..!

>

> Any observations on that ?

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