Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 They are painless and do not interfere with finger movement. No other abnormalities of the hands are noted. Any ideas ?? , How about this ... http://www.cfpc.ca/cfp/2005/Jan/vol51-jan-clinical-2.asp A 37-year-old man presented with faintly pink subcutaneous nodules over the extensor surfaces of the proximal interphalangeal joints of his fourth and fifth fingers. These nodules were firm, mobile, and nontender. Rheumatoid nodules Rheumatoid nodules are the most common extra-articular manifestation of rheumatoid arthritis (RA); about 25% of adult patients with RA have them.1,2 About 90% of patients with RA and subcutaneous nodules test positive for rheumatoid factor, and 40% of all seropositive patients with RA have subcutaneous nodules.3 Rheumatoid nodules are clinical predictors of more severe arthritis, seropositivity, joint erosions, and rheumatoid vasculitis.2 The presence of rheumatoid nodules often suggests a need for more aggressive treatment of the underlying RA to prevent sequelae. Rheumatoid nodules are firm, nontender, and movable within the subcutaneous tissue; however, they could also be attached to underlying structures such as the periosteum, fascia, and tendons.3 The lesions range from 2 mm to >5 cm,4 and can enlarge or regress, recur, or persist indefinitely.3 Most subcutaneous nodules are found on bony prominences, extensor surfaces, or adjacent to joints. They are most frequently found on extensor surfaces of the proximal ulna and olecranon, metacarpophalangeal and proximal interphalangeal joints, ischial tuberosities, joints in the foot, and sacrum.4 Occasionally, they manifest on the sclera, pinna of ears, heart, vocal cords, lungs, nervous system, abdominal wall, and muscle.4,5 Histologically, rheumatoid nodules present as a palisading granulomatous reaction, and mature nodules have a classic three-layer structure.1 The exact etiology of rheumatoid nodules is unknown. Experts speculate that a series of events beginning with local vascular trauma and pooling of rheumatoid factor immune complexes, followed by activation and mobilization of local monocytes or macrophages; fibrinoid deposition by procoagulants; tissue necrosis by cytotoxins, proteinases and collagenase secretion from macrophages; and chemotactic attraction of macrophages to the necrotic zone is responsible for formation of rheumatoid nodules.1,6 This hypothesis is consistent with the clinical findings of higher titres of rheumatoid factor and vasculitis often reported in patients with RA who have rheumatoid nodules.2 Since rheumatoid nodules most commonly arise in areas prone to trauma, a local tissue reaction that creates a focus of granulation tissue might also contribute to initial formation of these lesions.1 Rheumatoid nodules are not exclusive to RA. Histologically identical nodules are sometimes a feature of systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), subcutaneous granuloma annulare, necrobiosis lipoidica diabeticorum, rheumatic fever, and foreign body granulomas.2,3,7,8 Subcutaneous nodules have also been reported in 5% to 10% of children with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis,3 and benign rheumatoid nodules have been described in children and adults with no evidence of RA.2,7 Rheumatoid nodulosis syndrome, which presents with numerous rheumatoid nodules, a high titre of rheumatoid factor, but mild or no RA, has been reported in a few patients.3,7,8 Diagnosis A diagnosis of rheumatoid nodules is made in the clinical context of the disease. Symmetric inflammatory polyarthritis, seropositivity for rheumatoid factor, and other associated symptoms, such as vasculitis, are highly suggestive of RA. Subcutaneous nodules with a history of gout or current podagra could lead to a diagnosis of tophaceous gout. Violaceous papules or nodules (Gottron’s papules) with muscle weakness and heliotrope rash are characteristic of dermatomyositis. Lichen planus is a pruritic, papular eruption characterized by its violaceous-purple colour, flat-topped polygonal shape, and sometimes, fine scale. It is most commonly found on the flexor surfaces of the upper extremities (especially wrists), genitalia, and mucous membranes (called Wickham striae in the mouth). Although biopsies of subcutaneous nodules are occasionally done, they are not useful for diagnosis since many different types of subcutaneous nodules are histologically identical to rheumatoid nodules. Many rheumatoid nodules occur in areas difficult to biopsy, such as over extensor tendons. A complete history and physical examination, focusing on cutaneous and rheumatologic aspects, and occasionally laboratory testing (eg, rheumatoid factor, serum urate) are sufficient to diagnose rheumatoid nodules. Management Rheumatoid nodules typically present asymptomatically as a cosmetic complaint. Indications for treatment include areas exposed to repetitive trauma and nodules on weight-bearing prominences that might cause progressive erosions and severe pain, neuropathy, limitation of motion, or deformity, and damage to underlying structures.8 Some nodules rupture and lead to deep infections.4 There are very few treatment options for rheumatoid nodules. Large nodules can be excised, but they frequently recur within scar tissue, especially if subjected to repetitive trauma. Injecting corticosteroids directly into the lesion sometimes reduces its size. While this procedure is most effective for deep lesions in the olecranon bursa, nodules on the buttocks and feet tend to ulcerate and are likely to become infected. Once they are infected, surgical excision or drainage is required.8 Oral corticosteroids and hydroxychloroquine can also be used,3,8 but their effects on rheumatoid nodules vary, as most patients with RA already receive these medications for the chronic condition. Rheumatoid nodules occasionally resolve without medical or surgical intervention. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 I vote for ganglia cysts Dave Olley <olley@...> wrote:They are painless and do not interfere with finger movement. No other abnormalities of the hands are noted. Any ideas ?? , How about this ... http://www.cfpc.ca/cfp/2005/Jan/vol51-jan-clinical-2.asp A 37-year-old man presented with faintly pink subcutaneous nodules over the extensor surfaces of the proximal interphalangeal joints of his fourth and fifth fingers. These nodules were firm, mobile, and nontender. Rheumatoid nodules Rheumatoid nodules are the most common extra-articular manifestation of rheumatoid arthritis (RA); about 25% of adult patients with RA have them.1,2 About 90% of patients with RA and subcutaneous nodules test positive for rheumatoid factor, and 40% of all seropositive patients with RA have subcutaneous nodules.3 Rheumatoid nodules are clinical predictors of more severe arthritis, seropositivity, joint erosions, and rheumatoid vasculitis.2 The presence of rheumatoid nodules often suggests a need for more aggressive treatment of the underlying RA to prevent sequelae. Rheumatoid nodules are firm, nontender, and movable within the subcutaneous tissue; however, they could also be attached to underlying structures such as the periosteum, fascia, and tendons.3 The lesions range from 2 mm to >5 cm,4 and can enlarge or regress, recur, or persist indefinitely.3 Most subcutaneous nodules are found on bony prominences, extensor surfaces, or adjacent to joints. They are most frequently found on extensor surfaces of the proximal ulna and olecranon, metacarpophalangeal and proximal interphalangeal joints, ischial tuberosities, joints in the foot, and sacrum.4 Occasionally, they manifest on the sclera, pinna of ears, heart, vocal cords, lungs, nervous system, abdominal wall, and muscle.4,5 Histologically, rheumatoid nodules present as a palisading granulomatous reaction, and mature nodules have a classic three-layer structure.1 The exact etiology of rheumatoid nodules is unknown. Experts speculate that a series of events beginning with local vascular trauma and pooling of rheumatoid factor immune complexes, followed by activation and mobilization of local monocytes or macrophages; fibrinoid deposition by procoagulants; tissue necrosis by cytotoxins, proteinases and collagenase secretion from macrophages; and chemotactic attraction of macrophages to the necrotic zone is responsible for formation of rheumatoid nodules.1,6 This hypothesis is consistent with the clinical findings of higher titres of rheumatoid factor and vasculitis often reported in patients with RA who have rheumatoid nodules.2 Since rheumatoid nodules most commonly arise in areas prone to trauma, a local tissue reaction that creates a focus of granulation tissue might also contribute to initial formation of these lesions.1 Rheumatoid nodules are not exclusive to RA. Histologically identical nodules are sometimes a feature of systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), subcutaneous granuloma annulare, necrobiosis lipoidica diabeticorum, rheumatic fever, and foreign body granulomas.2,3,7,8 Subcutaneous nodules have also been reported in 5% to 10% of children with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis,3 and benign rheumatoid nodules have been described in children and adults with no evidence of RA.2,7 Rheumatoid nodulosis syndrome, which presents with numerous rheumatoid nodules, a high titre of rheumatoid factor, but mild or no RA, has been reported in a few patients.3,7,8 Diagnosis A diagnosis of rheumatoid nodules is made in the clinical context of the disease. Symmetric inflammatory polyarthritis, seropositivity for rheumatoid factor, and other associated symptoms, such as vasculitis, are highly suggestive of RA. Subcutaneous nodules with a history of gout or current podagra could lead to a diagnosis of tophaceous gout. Violaceous papules or nodules (Gottron’s papules) with muscle weakness and heliotrope rash are characteristic of dermatomyositis. Lichen planus is a pruritic, papular eruption characterized by its violaceous-purple colour, flat-topped polygonal shape, and sometimes, fine scale. It is most commonly found on the flexor surfaces of the upper extremities (especially wrists), genitalia, and mucous membranes (called Wickham striae in the mouth). Although biopsies of subcutaneous nodules are occasionally done, they are not useful for diagnosis since many different types of subcutaneous nodules are histologically identical to rheumatoid nodules. Many rheumatoid nodules occur in areas difficult to biopsy, such as over extensor tendons. A complete history and physical examination, focusing on cutaneous and rheumatologic aspects, and occasionally laboratory testing (eg, rheumatoid factor, serum urate) are sufficient to diagnose rheumatoid nodules. Management Rheumatoid nodules typically present asymptomatically as a cosmetic complaint. Indications for treatment include areas exposed to repetitive trauma and nodules on weight-bearing prominences that might cause progressive erosions and severe pain, neuropathy, limitation of motion, or deformity, and damage to underlying structures.8 Some nodules rupture and lead to deep infections.4 There are very few treatment options for rheumatoid nodules. Large nodules can be excised, but they frequently recur within scar tissue, especially if subjected to repetitive trauma. Injecting corticosteroids directly into the lesion sometimes reduces its size. While this procedure is most effective for deep lesions in the olecranon bursa, nodules on the buttocks and feet tend to ulcerate and are likely to become infected. Once they are infected, surgical excision or drainage is required.8 Oral corticosteroids and hydroxychloroquine can also be used,3,8 but their effects on rheumatoid nodules vary, as most patients with RA already receive these medications for the chronic condition. Rheumatoid nodules occasionally resolve without medical or surgical intervention. Dave Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Hi, sounds like ''Morbus Lederhosen'' to me. This can also affect feet and penisin mail patients. Regards, Ad Trommelen Medic CSO Constructor Tel 00 44 (0) 1224 842820 Fax 00 44 (0) 1224 842827 " T Simpson " <simpsonrtclara (DOT) co.uk> To Sent by: " Remote Support Medics (Messages) " RemoteSupportMedi <@... cs@... m> m cc Subject 30/09/2005 11:19 Thinking caps on then !! Please respond to RemoteSupportMedi cs@... m Hi all Had middle aged male present with small hard nodules which seem to be attached to the extensor tendons of their hands. The largest is approx 0.5 cm across and the others are just palpable The hard lumps are under the skin although visible whenever the fingers are flexed or extended and move with the extensor tendons. They appear on both hands and are situated just after the metacarpal - phalange joints. They are painless and do not interfere with finger movement. No other abnormalities of the hands are noted. Any ideas ?? S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 What is penisin mail? never heard of it. comedic@... wrote: Hi, sounds like ''Morbus Lederhosen'' to me. This can also affect feet and penisin mail patients. Regards, Ad Trommelen Medic CSO Constructor Tel 00 44 (0) 1224 842820 Fax 00 44 (0) 1224 842827 " T Simpson " <simpsonrtclara (DOT) co.uk> To Sent by: " Remote Support Medics (Messages) " RemoteSupportMedi <@... cs@... m> m cc Subject 30/09/2005 11:19 Thinking caps on then !! Please respond to RemoteSupportMedi cs@... m Hi all Had middle aged male present with small hard nodules which seem to be attached to the extensor tendons of their hands. The largest is approx 0.5 cm across and the others are just palpable The hard lumps are under the skin although visible whenever the fingers are flexed or extended and move with the extensor tendons. They appear on both hands and are situated just after the metacarpal - phalange joints. They are painless and do not interfere with finger movement. No other abnormalities of the hands are noted. Any ideas ?? S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 What is penisin mail? never heard of it. ------ I took it to mean penis in the male; a typo and an obvious misspelling? DaveO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Sorry, Should be Penis in male patients Ad Trommelen Medic CSO Constructor Tel 00 44 (0) 1224 842820 Fax 00 44 (0) 1224 842827 Brown <david_brown831@y ahoo.com> To Sent by: RemoteSupportMedi cc cs@... m Subject Re: Thinking caps on then !! 30/09/2005 12:56 Please respond to RemoteSupportMedi cs@... m What is penisin mail? never heard of it. comedic@... wrote: Hi, sounds like ''Morbus Lederhosen'' to me. This can also affect feet and penisin mail patients. Regards, Ad Trommelen Medic CSO Constructor Tel 00 44 (0) 1224 842820 Fax 00 44 (0) 1224 842827 " T Simpson " <simpsonrtclara (DOT) co.uk> To Sent by: " Remote Support Medics (Messages) " RemoteSupportMedi <@... cs@... m> m cc Subject 30/09/2005 11:19 Thinking caps on then !! Please respond to RemoteSupportMedi cs@... m Hi all Had middle aged male present with small hard nodules which seem to be attached to the extensor tendons of their hands. The largest is approx 0.5 cm across and the others are just palpable The hard lumps are under the skin although visible whenever the fingers are flexed or extended and move with the extensor tendons. They appear on both hands and are situated just after the metacarpal - phalange joints. They are painless and do not interfere with finger movement. No other abnormalities of the hands are noted. Any ideas ?? S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Hi Guys Sorry off the subject, does anybody know who does indemnity insurance in UK, Thanks Iain >From: " T Simpson " <simpsonrt@...> >Reply- > " Remote Support Medics (Messages) " >< > >Subject: Thinking caps on then !! >Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:19:00 +0100 > >Hi all > >Had middle aged male present with small hard nodules >which seem to be attached to the extensor tendons of >their hands. > >The largest is approx 0.5 cm across and the others are >just palpable > >The hard lumps are under the skin although visible >whenever the fingers are flexed or extended and move >with the extensor >tendons. They appear on both hands and are situated >just after the metacarpal - phalange joints. > >They are painless and do not interfere with finger >movement. No other abnormalities of the hands are >noted. > >Any ideas ?? > > S. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Iain The European Association of Emergency Medical Technicians and Paramedics do. Address is: EAEMTP Trustees PO Box 4264 Birmingham B1 1QA Tel: 0845 3678888 Fax: 0845 1679712 www.eaemtp.com Mark Thinking caps on then !! >>Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:19:00 +0100 >> >>Hi all >> >>Had middle aged male present with small hard nodules >>which seem to be attached to the extensor tendons of >>their hands. >> >>The largest is approx 0.5 cm across and the others are >>just palpable >> >>The hard lumps are under the skin although visible >>whenever the fingers are flexed or extended and move >>with the extensor >>tendons. They appear on both hands and are situated >>just after the metacarpal - phalange joints. >> >>They are painless and do not interfere with finger >>movement. No other abnormalities of the hands are >>noted. >> >>Any ideas ?? >> >> S. >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 You could try admin@... too! dave Re: Thinking caps on then !! Iain The European Association of Emergency Medical Technicians and Paramedics do. Address is: EAEMTP Trustees PO Box 4264 Birmingham B1 1QA Tel: 0845 3678888 Fax: 0845 1679712 www.eaemtp.com Mark Thinking caps on then !! >>Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:19:00 +0100 >> >>Hi all >> >>Had middle aged male present with small hard nodules >>which seem to be attached to the extensor tendons of >>their hands. >> >>The largest is approx 0.5 cm across and the others are >>just palpable >> >>The hard lumps are under the skin although visible >>whenever the fingers are flexed or extended and move >>with the extensor >>tendons. They appear on both hands and are situated >>just after the metacarpal - phalange joints. >> >>They are painless and do not interfere with finger >>movement. No other abnormalities of the hands are >>noted. >> >>Any ideas ?? >> >> S. >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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