RE: connections

May 9, 2003

>>>>>Really... especially who eats more animal products than the Masai

if

it's possible!

------->maybe we should send him to kenya for a date!

hey, who was it who told us the the meaning of " white man " in the masai

language? anyway, apparently the phrase for " white man " is... " one who holds

his farts. "

why?? too much fiber in the diet? to many beans? to much processed food?

" one who eats to quickly " ??

no.

one who wears pants, which apparently are thought to 'hold' farts in. LOL

nice litte bit of trivia on a nutrition list :-)

>>>>My girlfriend broke up with me and she *still* takes her cod liver oil!

*sigh* yeah, we had it good...

---------->hey...well at least you had *that.* my ex lived on frozen

dinners! no CLO. no liver. nothing fermented. nothing raw. I couldn't even

convince him to upgrade his dog food from a crappy brand (but he was

really a good guy...just didn't get this stuff.)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

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May 9, 2003

Suze-

My girlfriend lives on frozen dinners, pasta, sugar, soda, sugar, pasta, a

little low-fat meat, soy milk, sugar, pasta, sugar, soda, soy milk, soda,

soda, pasta, and sugar, and she feeds her paranoid cat Fancy Feast and some

kind of kibble, so it sounds like you had it good! In every other way

she's great -- and no, I'm not interested in going to Kenya or anywhere

else for a date -- but on dietary matters, WOW we're far apart. We have

separate shelves in the fridge and the pantry, and I don't think our foods

overlap more than 5%. (Wait til she sees me making sausage and pemmican,

now that she's moved in. She'll have a heart attack just from SEEING all

that fat! <g>)

>my ex lived on frozen

>dinners! no CLO. no liver. nothing fermented. nothing raw. I couldn't even

>convince him to upgrade his dog food from a crappy brand (but he was

>really a good guy...just didn't get this stuff.)

-

May 9, 2003

Suze-

>wow...that's tough, especially from your partner.

I didn't mean to attribute the " insane " part to her (she's not insulting!)

but " octuple bypass " were her exact words, and she recently tried to get me

to join a gym with her to head off my impending heart attacks.

>i sometimes wonder how that works out for you guys who

>date or are married to someone who just doesn't " get it. "

As far as that side of things goes, it sucks. The key for us turns out to

be just not talking about it at all, ever. It breaks my heart, watching

her health go down the tubes -- and watching her think all these problems

are normal and acceptable -- but as a trustworthy authority figure on

things medical, I don't compare to the VA and the AMA and the AHA and the

USDA and so on and so forth. It's extremely difficult, and if through some

miserable, unpleasant twist of fate I were ever to find myself looking for

a new girlfriend, I'd probably be just like you -- restricting myself to

the pool of zero people who fit all my other many requirements AND were

totally on board with the whole healthy diet thing. (Though you never

know. Politically and in plenty of other ways besides diet and health my

girlfriend and I are practically at opposite poles. In fact, we started

out loathing each other, and it was a complete surprise to us and everyone

else when, after years of mutual detestation, we fell in love.)

-

May 9, 2003

:

>My girlfriend lives on frozen dinners, pasta, sugar, soda, sugar, pasta, a

>little low-fat meat, soy milk, sugar, pasta, sugar, soda, soy milk, soda,

>soda, pasta, and sugar, and she feeds her paranoid cat Fancy Feast and some

>kind of kibble, so it sounds like you had it good! In every other way

>she's great -- and no, I'm not interested in going to Kenya or anywhere

>else for a date -

Sometimes they change! My husband now desires steak for dinner

and even eats my kimchi.

Heidi S

May 9, 2003

hey, who was it who told us the the meaning of " white man " in the masai

language? anyway, apparently the phrase for " white man " is... " one who holds

his farts. "

that was lisa

>

> ---------->hey...well at least you had *that.* my ex lived on frozen

> dinners! no CLO. no liver. nothing fermented. nothing raw. I couldn't even

> convince him to upgrade his dog food from a crappy brand (but he was

> really a good guy...just didn't get this stuff.)

she lived off dinner i made her ;-) she never learnt how to make stock

herself. lol... she tried giving up bread once to lose weight. she said

she never felt better in her life but she couldn't afford it.

chris

" To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are

to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and

servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore

Roosevelt

May 9, 2003

>>>>> (Wait til she sees me making sausage and pemmican,

now that she's moved in. She'll have a heart attack just from SEEING all

that fat! <g>)

----------->maybe squeeze one of those fatty sausages and aim it at her.

didn't you say the fat flies across the room? if you aim just right, she

might get some around her mouth, and be so excited about how wonderful real

fat tastes...and the rest could be history...

<g>

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

May 9, 2003

>>>>I didn't mean to attribute the " insane " part to her (she's not

insulting!)

but " octuple bypass " were her exact words, and she recently tried to get me

to join a gym with her to head off my impending heart attacks.

---------->hehe... " octuple bypass " - that's good.

>i sometimes wonder how that works out for you guys who

>date or are married to someone who just doesn't " get it. "

As far as that side of things goes, it sucks. The key for us turns out to

be just not talking about it at all, ever. It breaks my heart, watching

her health go down the tubes -- and watching her think all these problems

are normal and acceptable

------------->well maybe time with you will *demonstrate* to her the

reality, if her health is going down the tubes on SAD, and yours steadily

improves...maybe one day, it'll just sink in..?

>>>>It's extremely difficult, and if through some

miserable, unpleasant twist of fate I were ever to find myself looking for

a new girlfriend, I'd probably be just like you -- restricting myself to

the pool of zero people who fit all my other many requirements AND were

totally on board with the whole healthy diet thing.

-------------->*zero* people??? is that my pool? did i say that? yikes! LOL

is it still *that* restrictive if i have just *2* criteria - funny and

NT/WAPish? (maybe i'll just have to settle for funny, and the NT/WAP can

follow. oh the sacrifices one makes...)

(Though you never know. Politically and in plenty of other ways besides

diet and health my girlfriend and I are practically at opposite poles. In

fact, we started

out loathing each other, and it was a complete surprise to us and everyone

else when, after years of mutual detestation, we fell in love.)

----------->hmmmm...well i bet you guys don't get bored with plenty to

debate :-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

May 9, 2003

Take him to see Uffe. Uffe rocks. And that ends *that*.

:-D

Chris

In a message dated 5/9/03 1:26:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jafasum@...

writes:

>

> and Suze, I can totally relate. My story: I too am going with someone

> who doesn't get it. We are opposite in most ways; politically,

> nutritionally; etc., but he treats me better than anyone ever has. And

> yes, it does make for some heated debate, which we both enjoy. But, I can

> totally relate to the feeling of hitting my head against the wall, esp on

> the fat issue. My first visit to his refrig. found margarine and no fat

> salad dressing. He didn't have any idea of that being a problem. Where

> has he been? Living on another planet. I thought that everyone knew about

> the transfat issues by this day and age. For example, he read info on the

> Wap site on meat. It said that the studies were wrong on saturated fat.

> That Price's research shows otherwise. Well, he said what makes Price's

> research right and all of the other's wrong. He said he has problems with

> site's like that. Well, that ended that. Believe it or not, he is open

> to learning. Now has butter, has cut way back on coffee and is

> understanding more. But the constant education is hard on me and I don't

> know if he will ever truly come around, as he says studies have already

> been done that prove fat is harmful. He doesn't want to make eating an

> issue. To make matters worse, he is much more healthy than myself and has

> a lot more energy. Good constitution, I guess. But, he loves me dearly.

> He is a great person with high integrity, values and a good sense of humor

> and I love him, so I suppose I will just have to grin and bear it. Jafa

" To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are

to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and

servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore

Roosevelt

May 9, 2003

and Suze, I can totally relate. My story: I too am going with someone who

doesn't get it. We are opposite in most ways; politically, nutritionally; etc.,

but he treats me better than anyone ever has. And yes, it does make for some

heated debate, which we both enjoy. But, I can totally relate to the feeling of

hitting my head against the wall, esp on the fat issue. My first visit to his

refrig. found margarine and no fat salad dressing. He didn't have any idea of

that being a problem. Where has he been? Living on another planet. I thought

that everyone knew about the transfat issues by this day and age. For example,

he read info on the Wap site on meat. It said that the studies were wrong on

saturated fat. That Price's research shows otherwise. Well, he said what makes

Price's research right and all of the other's wrong. He said he has problems

with site's like that. Well, that ended that. Believe it or not, he is open

to learning. Now has butter, has cut way back on coffee and is understanding

more. But the constant education is hard on me and I don't know if he will ever

truly come around, as he says studies have already been done that prove fat is

harmful. He doesn't want to make eating an issue. To make matters worse, he

is much more healthy than myself and has a lot more energy. Good constitution,

I guess. But, he loves me dearly. He is a great person with high integrity,

values and a good sense of humor and I love him, so I suppose I will just have

to grin and bear it. Jafa

Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:>>>>That must be really nice. Most

of the people I know think I'm insane

and

headed for an octuple bypass (my girlfriend's exact words, in fact) and it

does get old, after awhile, being the Lone Iconoclast, especially since I

tend to differ with the mainstream on so many subjects.

------------->wow...that's tough, especially from your partner. i'm probably

waaaay to selective now (thinking i'm somehow going to meet a single,

funny(!!), intelligent NT/WAPer in my area, hah!), but the last guy i dated

was a SAD dieter (last summer). he was a great guy in many ways, and even

open minded...he might've been open to WAP/NT principles...but it was a drag

to explain it all the time. i ended up breaking up with him right after a

visit from a (on this list). spending time with her and my friend kate

(who co-leads the maine wapf chapter) kind of spoiled me in the sense that

it was so fun and easy to relate to fellow NT/WAPers, that I felt like a bit

of a freak to the guy i was dating. i think i wrote a post about it back

then...something about us NT/WAPers being " normal " or " typical " from an

*historical* and *global* perspective of human nutrition, and that SAD is,

in fact, a bizarre anomoly viewed from that broader perspective (although

some would argue the ancient egyptians were similar - eating " SED " i guess

;-)

anyway, if i'm ever going to date again, i guess i'd better get used to the

fact that most guys i'll meet in my area are simply not going to understand

this NT/WAP stuff. i sometimes wonder how that works out for you guys who

date or are married to someone who just doesn't " get it. "

just the thought of it makes me lonely! " Lone Iconoclast " ...sigh....i hear

you.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

May 9, 2003

Suze-

>if her health is going down the tubes on SAD, and yours steadily

>improves...maybe one day, it'll just sink in..?

That's what I'm hoping for, but you have to remember that my health is

starting from deep in the negative zone, so it could take a long time for

me to get healthy enough that I actually seem like a positive example to

anyone -- if I ever get there.

-

May 9, 2003

I haven't read his book yet either. My friend has it, and I'm going to

borrow it next week and read it.

His lecture at the WAPF conference was fantastic, and his was the best

lecture. It was the perfect level of technicality, and was very

well-organized, backing up statement with studies and even giving the

references... and that's just his lecture. So I imagine the book must be

great.

The lecture I saw (and posted notes from) was not about cholesterol and heart

disease, but on cholesterol's anti-infectious properties. A lecture more

along the lines of the former would be ideal for " conversion. " I believe he

gave the later lecture at the conference to give something fresh to the

already converted. He also does lecture tours on his book though.

Uffe is very scientifically minded and skeptical. For someone who believes

that " they've already done studies to prove fat is bad for you, " I think a

visit to Uffe would do a turnaround.

Chris

In a message dated 5/9/03 6:35:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jafasum@...

writes:

> Please elaborate on that. I haven't read his book, yet. Is there

> enough substantiation that a skeptic would even come around? Thanks, Jafa

>

> ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:Take him to see Uffe. Uffe rocks. And that

> ends *that*.

" To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are

to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and

servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore

Roosevelt

May 9, 2003

Please elaborate on that. I haven't read his book, yet. Is there enough

substantiation that a skeptic would even come around? Thanks, Jafa

ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:Take him to see Uffe. Uffe rocks. And that ends

*that*.