RE: connections

[Guest guest]

This is why I stopped going to LPA functions. And honestly I don't miss them

at all

Connections

> From: HelenJW@...

>

> I was wondering if anyone had satisfactorily results as far as placing an

ad

> in Connections?

>

>

> The other thing I wanted to say is this. I went to a regional this past

> weekend and was rather disappointed. I was looking forward to having a

nice

> time and meeting some new people. I wasn't looking for someone to date

since

> I'm seeing someone who is not in LPA, but I wanted to just meet some new

> friends. Everyone seemed to be in their own little group and didn't take

the

> time to get to know a new person. Being there certainly didn't make me

feel

> like I was being welcomed by the welcome wagon it felt like a " Keep Out "

sign

> was posted everywhere as far as it being a private club.

>

> When I first arrived I met a very nice woman who wasn't with the regional

who

> took the time to get to know me. It's a shame that she wasn't connected

with

> the regional. She thought I was rather intelligent, funny, determined,

> pretty to get to know. The hotel staff was also courteous and friendly as

> well.

>

> It's a shame because I have just as much to offer as the next person. I'm

an

> intelligent, witty, determined, attractive female of short stature who was

> looking to have a nice time and meet some new people.

>

> I was keeping in touch with someone who I thought would turn out to be a

new

> friend. Well, unfortunately it turned out the person snubbed me

throughout

> the whole time I was there. I figure that person is a loser and was sorry

I

> even bothered to take the time to send them a newsletter about the

regional.

>

> The fact is that it's a shame that it turned out the way it did because it

> left " a bitter taste " in my mouth as far as further attending any events

> because I like to feel welcome when I join and its a shame that (and yes I

> know there are cliques, but this is a bit too cliquish for myself) and

with

> this kind of behavior going on makes people like myself who are either

people

> who haven't been going to events in a while or just newcomers not

bothering

> to come back.

>

> The other fact is that not only did I not have a chance of having a nice

time

> and getting to know some new people. Those ones lost a chance of meeting a

> nice, friendly person.

>

> Helen

>

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Helen,

I know what you mean about the LPA " keep out " zones. It is to bad that so

many people feel they have to....well be snubby to newcomers (just anyone who

is not in they're little group) to make themselves feel more important then

the rest. I do have to say that it happens mostly with the women. I find a

lot of LPA women to be quite catty and if you're a fellow female LP that

other might be interested in then you can forget it because the cliquish

ones.....well they will not go out of their way to say hello or get to know

you.

BUT on the other hand, being a newcomer does mean you might have to make more

of an effort to get to know others. You do have to understand some of these

people have known eachother for many year and might not realise they are

making you feel a bit of an outsider.

At my first convention in 1993 at Chicago I felt really out of place because

I didn't know anyone and some of the " cliquish ones " didn't even say hello

when I went right up to them and I got wierd looks. I was told by a male

member something about .... " some of the girls can be funny about new cute

girls " well that was sweet and I do often get told I''m pretty. (That is

not being big headed. No one should ever think any less of themselves.) I

wasn't their to find a husband (I was a wild girl at the time) I just wanted

to have a fun time and I had no reason to not be nice to anyone I met. So I

chould not understand why they were... well a couple of times were just down

right mean to me. I, at age 23, had never been around a group of LPs before

and I was so excited about meeting others like me. Oh then I had the " I'm

not an achon. thing to deal with. " Man oh man I could not beleive what the

big deal was which type of dwarf your were.

But in all that I did meet some really great people and I'm glad I went. So

really if some are being snobby just go on with it and meet some others.

OK I've went on enough.... sorry about that. Just bringing back some

memories.

Jude

happy in England now

[Guest guest]

I have never been to a LPA Convention (and I am really planning to go

when my daughter gets older even if I have to start saving today!!), but

let me tell you this: Never let go by other people thoughts. You have

to get your own experiences and your own point of view. What went wrong

for someone else, could just go great for you!!

Give it always a try!! It´s worth it!!

Sigrid

Guatemala (mother to 5, achon)

-----Mensaje original-----

De: Keeblertam@... [mailto:Keeblertam@...]

Enviado el: Lunes, 20 de Septiembre de 1999 01:57 p.m.

Para: dwarfismonelist

Asunto: Re: Connections

From: Keeblertam@...

I was contemplating going to an LPA Convention but from hearing these

sort of

remarks from " new " LP's........I don't know..........I am not one to

just go

up and talk to new people especially if I can tell already that they

have

their own " click " . I am having my reservations now after hearing all

this.

[Guest guest]

I was contemplating going to an LPA Convention but from hearing these sort of

remarks from " new " LP's........I don't know..........I am not one to just go

up and talk to new people especially if I can tell already that they have

their own " click " . I am having my reservations now after hearing all this.

[Guest guest]

I had the same situation, went half way across the continent to LA for the

convention last year, and I can count on one hand the number of folks who

were friendly. I as well, am NOT achon, was NOT looking to meet the man of

my dreams, am NOT a teenager, and am NOT the parent of an LP child (nothing

against any of the folks in these categories, it is just what my first

impression of the primary focus of that convention).

I am hoping to be able to attend some local LPA functions sometime just to

see if the climate is better in a smaller group.

Lastly, the nice folks I met made up for the rude ones in quality if not

quantity.

McClintock

[Guest guest]

The reactions of all these new people is correct. LP's are no different

than anybody else except that they are short! I have now been to three

nationals over the last 10 years and I have to be honest and say that all

three times I did it for the physical benefits and I was pretty much

alone. It was at my first national that I realized I could live a normal

life and there was a segment of society that I resembled physically!

Shortly afterwards I dropped LPA on the local level because I was finding

I faced more rejection there than in the average sized world! Then two

years ago I went to Atlanta because I was in the midst of a health crisis

and needed some answers. This past year I was briefly at Portland. Now

I am starting to get back involved in LPA on the local level because the

people who caused me the most problems are gone and I like the people who

are in the group now. I have found myself asking myself what a good LPA

group should look like. My parents kept me out of LPA while I was

growing up because they didn't want me to live in a world of just short

people. I'm not sure that was the best decision but I am very firm in my

stance that the friends I choose are not based on size. One of my

closest friends is an LP but that is coincidental. Nationals are

different from local activities but you really have to ask yourself why

you want to be a part and understand that LPA is just like any other

organization and it is not necessarily for everyone. I would highly

suggest that you try a national convention. Just do it with your eyes

wide open. My first national was a big turning point in my life.

:)Danette:)

Spokane, Washington

http://www.geocities.com/hotsprings/villa/9405

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:57:03 EDT Keeblertam@... writes:

>From: Keeblertam@...

>

>I was contemplating going to an LPA Convention but from hearing these

>sort of

>remarks from " new " LP's........I don't know..........I am not one to

>just go

>up and talk to new people especially if I can tell already that they

>have

>their own " click " . I am having my reservations now after hearing

>all this.

>

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

To those of you considering your first LPA convention. And I have been

going to them since 1960 so that probably makes me an authority. I

talked to an older lady recently that said she had gone to our AARP

meeting and sat down and nobody spoke to her. My reply was how many

people did you speak to. This is also true in LPA. To make a friend

you have to be a friend. Be a little forward and when you see someone

standing alone go up , introduce yourself and start talking to them. It

is difficult to break into a group standing in a circle haveing a good

time because they dont know you and probably dont know that it is your

first time. I think a first timers badge would be in order so that

those of us who have been around for a long time know when a person is

new. With 1500 people there how can you remember who you met at a

previous meeting in a casual way. There are great opportunities for a

lifetime of happiness and friendships. I am a pituitary so I am

different than most and I assure you people dont run up and make a big

deal about getting acquainted. If you get to know 4 or 5 nice people at

a meeting than you are lucky. It is also very good to go to your

chapter and district meetings because they are smaller and you get to

know people that are within a reasonable distance from where you live so

you can see them more often. For 40 years I have gone to LPA meetings

to contribute what I can and in so doing have been richly blessed. Thank

you for reading and GOD BLESS Super Elf

Keeblertam@... wrote:

>

> From: Keeblertam@...

>

> I was contemplating going to an LPA Convention but from hearing these sort of

> remarks from " new " LP's........I don't know..........I am not one to just go

> up and talk to new people especially if I can tell already that they have

> their own " click " . I am having my reservations now after hearing all this.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Jude,

I read your letter and would just like to make a few comments.

>

>

> ,

>

>

>

> I do have to say that it happens mostly with the women. I find a

> lot of LPA women to be quite catty and if you're a fellow female LP that

> other might be interested in then you can forget it because the cliquish

> ones.....well they will not go out of their way to say hello or get to know

> you.

>In regards to this statement,it sounds a little sexist.Perhaps that particular

group of women just didn't have anything in common with you at that time.Did you

ask about their lives,their hopes,dreams,experiences with LPA? Many of us have

been in LPAfor a number of years,and Convention is almost like a family

reunion.As a middle age

woman(ooh,that was hard to say!HA)I would have a difficult time chatting with a

group

of young ladies-unless they were with their single dads-just joking!Anyway,I am

glad that you did make a connection,and now happy. By the way,did any of the

guys snub you?

>

>

>

> At my first convention in 1993 at Chicago I felt really out of place because

> I didn't know anyone and some of the " cliquish ones " didn't even say hello

> when I went right up to them and I got wierd looks. I was told by a male

> member something about .... " some of the girls can be funny about new cute

> girls "

>Oh please,gag me with a spoon as my fifth graders would say! Did he make you

feel welcome? Jude,my daughter has had wonderful and painful experiences at

Convention,and has sometimes begged to come home.But I told her " Ask 10

different people to go have a cup of coffee or 10 different guys to dance,and I

bet you will meet a friend. " Of course,she just rolled her eyes and didn't

listen,but at least I tried.That method seemed to help me at convention.

Take care,and I hope to meet you one day.Trust me,I will talk to ya.We

Texans' love to chat!

> Sincerely,

Beth Eley

>

>

> J

>

>

[Guest guest]

Beth,

Sorry you thought my post about the LPA convention was sexist and you didn't

like the conmment the male LP gave me. And yes he was very nice to me and

made me feel welcomed, as a matter of fact he is now a good friend of my

husband and I.

>I was told by a male member something about .... " some of the girls can be

funny about new cute girls "

>>Oh please,gag me with a spoon as my fifth graders would say! Did he make you

feel welcome?

>>Take care,and I hope to meet you one day.Trust me,I will talk to ya.We

Texans' love to chat!

When you do finally meet me you will fine I'm very laid back and love to meet

people and I would NOT be spiteful just because someone was spiteful to me...

not that you said I was spiteful because you didn't. I'm just trying to show

you I believe in being nice to people, but there comes a time when you must

stand up for yourself, even at convention.

>>Did you ask about their lives,their hopes,dreams,experiences with LPA?

Yes.... I try to get to know people on the inside and not just the superfical

" Hello, I like what your wearing. " I didn't give up on trying to get to know

people and I have many LP friends now.

>>By the way,did any of the guys snub you?

No... and that is what I couldn't understand about the hold thing. Oh wait

one guy did, because one of the girls who wasn't very nice to me, over heard

me say he was cute and told him. Not that it mattered, because being cute

doesn't mean I would want to get to know him in an a relatinship kind of way.

Personality is the most important thing about anyone. Besides, I would also

comment if I saw a pretty girl, or cute child or someone who looked friendly.

I don't want you to get the wrong impression of me. I'm a very happy,

positive, friendly, and outgoing person. I have always worked hard for my

goals and I try not to let other's negativity get me down, not saying your

negative, because you are only stating your opinion. If I would have been

the kind of person to let a bad situation get me down I would have never

lasted through 7 years of University for my Architecture degree or moved to

England with my husband, because England is a bit behind the times when it

come to accepting disabled people.

Thank you for your input on my situation. I do like having others comment on

my e-mails. It would be boring if we all agreed. ;-}...wink

Take care,

Jude

[Guest guest]

Ally,

I totally agree with your statement...The Cliques in LPA are pretty bad, but

also there are good points of LPA.. I also agree with you that some people

need to be more open minded of new people who obviously haven't been to a

convention before and accept them and not ridicule them. we get enough of

that in life, and people who are a mirror image of ourselves often feel as if

they are better than some others and don't give most people a chance..Well,

that's just my 2 cents worth and if made sense great, if not, I'm sorry ;o)

Texas

[Guest guest]

I have never been to a LPA convention, but I have been to other conventions

and know that no matter what the organization, that there will always be

those who are in clicks. Take for example, High School, College, and for

some a new company that they are employed at. I just know that the best way

to handle the situation, is to not look at the clicks, but to talk to people

around you. Listen to other conversations, and just be your self.

People who do attend these conventions, maybe you should look around for a

new lost face and try to make them feel welcome and at ease. Introduce new

people to your acquaintances. That will make the conventions more fun for

everyone.

Sincerely,

Ally

Re: Connections

From: Keeblertam@...

I was contemplating going to an LPA Convention but from hearing these sort

of

remarks from " new " LP's........I don't know..........I am not one to just go

up and talk to new people especially if I can tell already that they have

their own " click " . I am having my reservations now after hearing all

this.

[Guest guest]

Dear Bob,

Thanks for your words of appreciation!

My subscribers are finding out, like yourself, that Connections relates to

them on many different levels. Let me know in the future which features you

appreciate the most and I'll focus my attention on them.

My 5th issue of Connections will be out around November 15.

Rick Eanes

470 Executive Center Drive

Suite 1-A

West Palm Beach, FL 33401

In a message dated 10/3/99 10:59:34 PM, lpasuperelf@... wrote:

<<From: Bob Brower <lpasuperelf@...>

Hi Friends: I just received my first issue of Connections. I found

it full of wonderful information and whether a person is looking for a

mate or not it is well worthwhile. Rick I congratulate you on putting

our a fine publication and will look forward to future issues. Super Elf

---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Rick give me a jingle, could ya. I have some questions for you.

Thanks Judi

At 09:00 PM 10/4/99 EDT, REanes7777@... wrote:

>From: REanes7777@...

>

>Dear Bob,

>Thanks for your words of appreciation!

>My subscribers are finding out, like yourself, that Connections relates to

>them on many different levels. Let me know in the future which features you

>appreciate the most and I'll focus my attention on them.

>My 5th issue of Connections will be out around November 15.

>

>Rick Eanes

>470 Executive Center Drive

>Suite 1-A

>West Palm Beach, FL 33401

>

>

>

>In a message dated 10/3/99 10:59:34 PM, lpasuperelf@... wrote:

><<From: Bob Brower <lpasuperelf@...>

>

>Hi Friends: I just received my first issue of Connections. I found

>it full of wonderful information and whether a person is looking for a

>mate or not it is well worthwhile. Rick I congratulate you on putting

>our a fine publication and will look forward to future issues. Super Elf

>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:38:46 EST

> From: MissWigglesUSA@...

> Subject: Connections

>

> What ever happened to Connections... ? Has that been banned from the

> listserver too? haha

Would you care to tell us what, specifically, you think has *ever*

been banned from the listserv?

===========================================================

Dan Kennedy

Internet services coordinator

Little People of America, Inc.

http://www.lpaonline.org

[Guest guest]

a, I don't think Rosemary will get to the second paragraph of your

message. You might want to send her a message independently.

Connections

Hey all,

Any of you have any upper level telecommunications connections/contacts? My

hubby just got laid off. He works on backbone networks in voice or data.

Any contact info would be appreciated.

Rosemary hun, I cannot imagine what it is like to lose someone so close but

my hugs and comfort are for you!

aW

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna!

I am so completely behind with email that I am reading them from the most recent

back - and thought I would wait to respond to some later - but that never seems

to work so well either - but I have been sitting here for a couple of minutes

staring at your email trying to figure out the " most important " thing to do

following the two you already mentioned (lots of hugs included!). Who knows? I

think that the answer is probably the same for any child, whether they have a

special challenge or not. The whole parenting quesion can just go on and on

(much like my current rambling!) but what comes to mind first for me is to allow

Robbie's life to be as normal as possible (whatever normal is) - to encourage

him to do his best regardless of what he is attempting, teach him to learn to

recognize his strengths and weaknesses (JRA related or not) and help him find

how to match those to his interests. And that is just the tip of the iceberg -

but I will spare you my rambling and leave the rest for others to comment on.

Take care!

Val

Rob's Mom (4,systemic)

In a message dated Tue, 24 Sep 2002 8:19:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, faces1999

writes:

> Hey gang....input is being asked of you once again. I recently had a

conversation with a parent, whom I hope will join this group, and in the the

conversation I was asked " what is the most important thing she can do to help

her child w/JRA besides tending to her medical needs and loving/caring for the

child. I told her those were great starting points but recommended she find a

support system (i.e. this group). As parents do any of you have further

suggestions???Thanks gang!! Donna

>

[Guest guest]

Well of course I can not speak as a parent! but I can say that as a child growing up with jra, the one thing I feel I lacked in getting from my parent was, 'ENCOURAGEMENT'

Just because they are living with jra, doesn't mean their life is come to an end! And that they should give up on the things they love to do!

Don't quit, success is measured at different levels. So no matter how well the next person can, so can you at your level of success!

But no matter what! 'DON'T STEP ON THEIR DREAMS OF TRYING'

Some might think that just because a man can't drive a car, he can't be a whole and viable part of society. Or hear the sound of a piano, he can't compose music!

Living with jra may indeed bring some limitations into their lifes, but then "no wall is unsalable nor can it with stand the force of determination"

Dare to Dream for the sky has no limit.

A. Morse

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:19:16 EDT faces1999@... writes:

Hey gang....input is being asked of you once again. I recently had a conversation with a parent, whom I hope will join this group, and in the the conversation I was asked "what is the most important thing she can do to help her child w/JRA besides tending to her medical needs and loving/caring for the child. I told her those were great starting points but recommended she find a support system (i.e. this group). As parents do any of you have further suggestions???Thanks gang!! Donna

[Guest guest]

Totally agree with you . We should encourage our kids to do what they can. Slightly OT, but I know you can appreciate this, drove yesterday for the first time with me! I was a bit scared, but tried not to show it. He did OK, had a tough time braking, but not too bad. I did tell him he needed to drive with Dad a bit more before he drives with me. Dad is more patient I think, at least he was with the older daughter. He just got his permit Saturday and it has been "burning a hole" in his pocket! He has been dying to drive and is of course planning what car he will buy first! Thought you'd appreciate that story. Michele (mom to 15, pauci and spondy)

-----Original Message-----From: A Morse [mailto:dam755@...] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:44 AM ; rustyroom Subject: Re: connections

Well of course I can not speak as a parent! but I can say that as a child growing up with jra, the one thing I feel I lacked in getting from my parent was, 'ENCOURAGEMENT'

Just because they are living with jra, doesn't mean their life is come to an end! And that they should give up on the things they love to do!

Don't quit, success is measured at different levels. So no matter how well the next person can, so can you at your level of success!

But no matter what! 'DON'T STEP ON THEIR DREAMS OF TRYING'

Some might think that just because a man can't drive a car, he can't be a whole and viable part of society. Or hear the sound of a piano, he can't compose music!

Living with jra may indeed bring some limitations into their lifes, but then "no wall is unsalable nor can it with stand the force of determination"

Dare to Dream for the sky has no limit.

A. Morse

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:19:16 EDT faces1999@... writes:

Hey gang....input is being asked of you once again. I recently had a conversation with a parent, whom I hope will join this group, and in the the conversation I was asked "what is the most important thing she can do to help her child w/JRA besides tending to her medical needs and loving/caring for the child. I told her those were great starting points but recommended she find a support system (i.e. this group). As parents do any of you have further suggestions???Thanks gang!! Donna

[Guest guest]

This is great advice, Val!

Pam ('s mum, 4, systemic)

Quoting carneyval@...:

> Hi Donna!

> I am so completely behind with email that I am reading them from the most

> recent back - and thought I would wait to respond to some later - but that

> never seems to work so well either - but I have been sitting here for a

> couple of minutes staring at your email trying to figure out the " most

> important " thing to do following the two you already mentioned (lots of hugs

> included!). Who knows? I think that the answer is probably the same for any

> child, whether they have a special challenge or not. The whole parenting

> quesion can just go on and on (much like my current rambling!) but what comes

> to mind first for me is to allow Robbie's life to be as normal as possible

> (whatever normal is) - to encourage him to do his best regardless of what he

> is attempting, teach him to learn to recognize his strengths and weaknesses

> (JRA related or not) and help him find how to match those to his interests.

> And that is just the tip of the iceberg - but I will spare you my rambling

> and leave the rest for others to comment on. Take care!

> Val

> Rob's Mom (4,systemic)

> In a message dated Tue, 24 Sep 2002 8:19:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> faces1999 writes:

>

> > Hey gang....input is being asked of you once again. I recently had a

> conversation with a parent, whom I hope will join this group, and in the the

> conversation I was asked " what is the most important thing she can do to help

> her child w/JRA besides tending to her medical needs and loving/caring for

> the child. I told her those were great starting points but recommended she

> find a support system (i.e. this group). As parents do any of you have

> further suggestions???Thanks gang!! Donna

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

I have to agree with Robbin,the child knows how they are feeling better than anyone else.When we talked to the rheumy in Cincinnati,we talked about children and self limitations.He told me kids do a great job,but when a child joins an organized sport the parants and the coaches put pressure on the child even without meaning to.Let the child go at there own pace,let them try it,and let them decide if its something they can or cant do.Jra is so up and down,so some days the child may be able to do something and the next day may not be able to.The child needs to know that just because they are having a hard time doing something does not mean it will always be that way.They need to keep trying,at their own pace of course.Even if the child is having a hard time they should get praised for trying.Self confidence is big for any child,but for a child that cant do everything thir friends can its really important.We want our kids to feel and live as normal as possible,I hate the term normal,what is normal?You get the idea though.

Hugs

Becki and 4systemic

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pam. I hope that you and are having a good day.

Val

Rob's Mom (5,systemic)

In a message dated 9/24/2002 1:01:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, pambolan@...

writes:

>

>

> This is great advice, Val!

> Pam ('s mum, 4, systemic)

>

> Quoting carneyval@...:

>

> > Hi Donna!

> > I am so completely behind with email that I am reading them from the most

> > recent back - and thought I would wait to respond to some later - but that

> > never seems to work so well either - but I have been sitting here for a

> > couple of minutes staring at your email trying to figure out the " most

> > important " thing to do following the two you already mentioned (lots of hugs

> > included!). Who knows? I think that the answer is probably the same for

any

> > child, whether they have a special challenge or not. The whole parenting

> > quesion can just go on and on (much like my current rambling!) but what

comes

> > to mind first for me is to allow Robbie's life to be as normal as possible

> > (whatever normal is) - to encourage him to do his best regardless of what he

> > is attempting, teach him to learn to recognize his strengths and weaknesses

> > (JRA related or not) and help him find how to match those to his interests.

> > And that is just the tip of the iceberg - but I will spare you my rambling

> > and leave the rest for others to comment on. Take care!

> > Val

> > Rob's Mom (4,systemic)

> > In a message dated Tue, 24 Sep 2002 8:19:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> > faces1999 writes:

> >

> > > Hey gang....input is being asked of you once again. I recently had a

> > conversation with a parent, whom I hope will join this group, and in the the

> > conversation I was asked " what is the most important thing she can do to

help

> > her child w/JRA besides tending to her medical needs and loving/caring for

> > the child. I told her those were great starting points but recommended she

> > find a support system (i.e. this group). As parents do any of you have

> > further suggestions???Thanks gang!! Donna

> > >

[Guest guest]

Really... especially who eats more animal products than the Masai if

it's possible!

My girlfriend broke up with me and she *still* takes her cod liver oil!

*sigh* yeah, we had it good...

lol

chris

In a message dated 5/8/03 10:04:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

>

> ------------->wow...that's tough, especially from your partner. i'm

> probably

> waaaay to selective now (thinking i'm somehow going to meet a single,

> funny(!!), intelligent NT/WAPer in my area, hah!), but the last guy i dated

> was a SAD dieter (last summer). he was a great guy in many ways, and even

> open minded...he might've been open to WAP/NT principles...but it was a

> drag

> to explain it all the time. i ended up breaking up with him right after a

> visit from a (on this list). spending time with her and my friend kate

> (who co-leads the maine wapf chapter) kind of spoiled me in the sense that

> it was so fun and easy to relate to fellow NT/WAPers, that I felt like a

> bit

> of a freak to the guy i was dating. i think i wrote a post about it back

> then...something about us NT/WAPers being " normal " or " typical " from an

> *historical* and *global* perspective of human nutrition, and that SAD is,

> in fact, a bizarre anomoly viewed from that broader perspective (although

> some would argue the ancient egyptians were similar - eating " SED " i guess

> ;-)

>

> anyway, if i'm ever going to date again, i guess i'd better get used to the

> fact that most guys i'll meet in my area are simply not going to understand

> this NT/WAP stuff. i sometimes wonder how that works out for you guys who

> date or are married to someone who just doesn't " get it. "

>

> just the thought of it makes me lonely! " Lone Iconoclast " ...sigh....i hear

> you.

" To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are

to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and

servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore

Roosevelt

[Guest guest]

>>>>So thanks to you all for sharing the exuberance of connections....it's

contagious! (-: Take care, Joanne

--->Joanne,

Thanks for a wonderful post :-) yes, i can definitely say in my case, my

exuberance came from the connections...just being around so many

interesting, funny, intelligent people who are taking a path similar to

mine...a path that just feels so good. I was thinking earlier today that I

experienced a great deal of joy during the conference, and it's still

lingering, affecting my interactions with other people in my life. Also,

within the context of the conference, i was " normal " - not some weirdo who

eats cultured veggies, lots of animal fat, and *seeks* cholesterol-rich

foods <g>.

Thanks for reminding us of all the other important connections in life. I

feel like I've been pretty disconnected from most things that matter for the

better part of my life, and so I hope to continue on this path of

*re-connecting* :-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

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connections

Hi! I have so enjoyed the exuberance in the messages from those of you who

attended the conference - the joy that seemed to come with connecting in

person, enjoying delicious food, gathering helpful and healthful

information. And this got me reflecting on how connections, on many levels,

are such a wonderful part of this whole approach to nutrition.....

Connecting with the wisdom of our bodies to know what it is we need and want

for nourishment.

Connecting with information which cuts through the misleading hype and mass

media promotions that build on fears, disempowerment, and confusion about

health, food, body size and shape, etc.

Connecting with the soil and water and air and sun and plants and animals

and seasonal cycles that provide us with food.

Connecting with people who grow the plants and raise the animals and make

the food we buy and eat.

Connecting with kindred spirits, like-minded companions, sharing a similiar

path.

Connecting with what nurtures and nourishes our bodies, minds, and souls.

[Guest guest]

Suze-

That must be really nice. Most of the people I know think I'm insane and

headed for an octuple bypass (my girlfriend's exact words, in fact) and it

does get old, after awhile, being the Lone Iconoclast, especially since I

tend to differ with the mainstream on so many subjects.

>Also,

>within the context of the conference, i was " normal " - not some weirdo who

>eats cultured veggies, lots of animal fat, and *seeks* cholesterol-rich

>foods <g>.

-

[Guest guest]

>>>>That must be really nice. Most of the people I know think I'm insane

and

headed for an octuple bypass (my girlfriend's exact words, in fact) and it

does get old, after awhile, being the Lone Iconoclast, especially since I

tend to differ with the mainstream on so many subjects.

------------->wow...that's tough, especially from your partner. i'm probably

waaaay to selective now (thinking i'm somehow going to meet a single,

funny(!!), intelligent NT/WAPer in my area, hah!), but the last guy i dated

was a SAD dieter (last summer). he was a great guy in many ways, and even

open minded...he might've been open to WAP/NT principles...but it was a drag

to explain it all the time. i ended up breaking up with him right after a

visit from a (on this list). spending time with her and my friend kate

(who co-leads the maine wapf chapter) kind of spoiled me in the sense that

it was so fun and easy to relate to fellow NT/WAPers, that I felt like a bit

of a freak to the guy i was dating. i think i wrote a post about it back

then...something about us NT/WAPers being " normal " or " typical " from an

*historical* and *global* perspective of human nutrition, and that SAD is,

in fact, a bizarre anomoly viewed from that broader perspective (although

some would argue the ancient egyptians were similar - eating " SED " i guess

;-)

anyway, if i'm ever going to date again, i guess i'd better get used to the

fact that most guys i'll meet in my area are simply not going to understand

this NT/WAP stuff. i sometimes wonder how that works out for you guys who

date or are married to someone who just doesn't " get it. "

just the thought of it makes me lonely! " Lone Iconoclast " ...sigh....i hear

you.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...