Re: lyme n co infections

February 23, 2012

Thanks Aa

Have stoped samento as herxed too.painfuly

Liked banderol

But runnin out

Will cut back n get more in two weeks then.if helps abx work better.

When would I take the banderol?

Just as usual before food?

I have three diflucan left

I usualy take one a week

Although u said it work on difrent fungus

Thought id try as v cheap

Will I continue to take them?

Thanks

Fingers crossed!

As the bites have realy deteriated.this week after I did more treatments,bathing

feet a lot topicaly

But wasnot bathing hands and pinprick bites skin under nails got much worse too

V distressing

Hope is not mites

Hope doxy helps

Was very easy to buy internet

Expensive but worth weight in gold if helps!:-)

------------------------------

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 11:52 PST Aandraya wrote:

>C-

>My gut issues actually eventually resolved on treatment, takes time though.

Bart especially is known to cause gut issues but the other infections can as

well. C- Hope you get some relief soon. Based on my experience and what others

have said I do believe the biting sensations and for sure the crawling

sensations are nerves malfunctioning. Lyme- borrelia with coinfections causes

massive inflammation which effects the nerves. Eventually these sensations

change to bad pain as the nerves loose their sheath, then it takes even longer

to heal. Don't forget this is going on in the brain as well and causes all

kinds of neuro-psych presentations. Treatment really does work. If you can

keep doing the samento and banderol, it helps the abx to work even better- per

Buhner- reknowned herbalist. You also need a good quality probiotic,

take min 3 hrs away from abx, before bedtime is ideal.

>

>Aandraya

>

>On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:31 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> Thanks Aa

>> Shall take two a day then!

>> Will eat plenty oats,

>> They soothe the tummy

>> And camomile peppermint tea!

>>

>> ------------------------------

>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 14:56 PST Aandraya wrote:

>>

>> >Oops I meant the 100 2 x a day is a standard starting dose. Most Lyme docs

start with the 200 2 x a day to hit the bacteria hard but for some the herxing

is too severe. I've done both doses. After a few days the stomach upset went

away.

>> >

>> >Aandraya

>> >

>> >On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Aandraya <aandraya@...> wrote:

>> >

>> > If you start a low doses the bacteria can build up resistance to it. A low

dose is 100mg 2 x a day- that is bacteriostatic- keeps them from reproducing.

Studies show 200mg 2x a day is bacteriocidal.

>> >

>> > Aandraya

>> >

>> > On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:44 PM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...>

wrote:

>> >

>> > Well its 8 wks for malaria but actualy 100 mg a day

>> > I know folk here take two lots but I was ginna try 100 mg a day see how I

go

>> > Or wud I be better buyin capsules n splittin it,into 50 mg twice a day?

>> > I know I usualy get ill on meds so just wanna take it lightly!

>> > Thanks

>> > C

>> >

>> > ------------------------------

>> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 14:35 PST ILIKE TREES wrote:

>> >

>> > >

>> > >Thanks aggi

>> > >I will look into it

>> > >C

>> > >Iv changed to I like trees

>> > >As although im still sad its an akward name title to write to companies

etc in email!:-)

>> > >

>> > >Ordered 8 weeks doxy capsules

>> > >Fingers crossed my tummy will handle

>> > >Woll take ant acid two hour before n yogurt two hour before to help tum

lining

>> > >The herbs were not enough to stem this:-(

>> > >If doxy helps I shall be so grateful to folk on here!!!

>> > >I really really will!!!

>> > >

>> > >------------------------------

>> > >On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 13:14 PST Aggi Assmann wrote:

>> > >

>> > >Hi C,

>> > >

>> > >What also helps me as a spot-on spray on the skin, is isopropyl alcohol,

70%. It kills the mites instantly. Fill into a small spray bottle and whenever

you feel a bite, spray it on, rub a bit and see/feel what happens. I used to

keep these little bottles in every room of the house. Now there is only one

bottle for emergency cases.

>> > >

>> > >________________________________

>> > >Von: " Goldstein@... " <Goldstein@...>

>> > >An: bird mites

>> > >Gesendet: 22:45 Dienstag, 21.Februar 2012

>> > >Betreff: Re: lyme n co infections

>> > >

>> > >Hi C

>> > >

>> > >My theory still stands. I believe we are getting bit, BUT the attraction

to the body is because of the fungal problems. Once bit we get infections.

Whatever is biting us is giving us Lyme, co-infections, mycoplasma, whatever.

Some people like Doris didn't get any co-infections or Lyme. So not everyone

gets it. She moved 3 times I think... and that did it for her, plus sleeping in

a bathtub full of water. It is all so perplexing because the Bartonella does

cause crawling sensations, scratch marks which are on the surface, and stretch

marks, again on the surface of the skin. Lyme disease also causes similar

sensations. I think the first time I was infected with Lyme Disease was in the

80's bit while gardening. I got incredibly sick out of the blue, developed what

I called Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and for a long time, months, I had a sensation

of ants walking on the brain (inside the skull). I think that was Lyme, although

I did not get

>> > > treated for it because the testing was so inaccurate.

>> > >

>> > >These infections can cause things that appear on the outside of the skin.

I'll post a video I watched yesterday of a young woman who got bit by a tick and

developed LD. She was in her teens. If you view the video, you can see has

dozens of lesions on the skin. Very very sad story.

>> > >

>> > >I hope you can see this video.

>> > >

>> > >________________________________

>> > >From: " Sad Girl " <wherearetheangels@...>

>> > >bird mites

>> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:32:18 PM

>> > >Subject: Re: lyme n co infections

>> > >

>> > >Hi all

>> > >I did,have fleas in my old flAt before the mites problem

>> > >Then I started gettin bit bad wi mites

>> > >One day I put on a pair of shoes and all my toes attacked

>> > >I took the shoes off n lots of tiny little dots attacking n biting my toes

>> > >As soon as I picked them off

>> > >More appeared

>> > >And it went on n on for hours

>> > >My toes were under siege n they apeared out of nowhere

>> > >It was like a horror film

>> > >Cudnt believe it!

>> > >At that time I thought they must b somethin other than baby fleas

>> > >But I kidded self on they baby fleas

>> > >As I cudnt mentaly cope wi what was hapening

>> > >So

>> > >I did see them attack my feet

>> > >This,was august I think

>> > >Last year

>> > >I find it not a coincidence that the worst place for pinprick bites in my

body is still my feet n soles of feet

>> > >And that my toes were where they atacked

>> > >So

>> > >I wonder

>> > >...is the bites I feel now a nervous system reaction to what I went

through?

>> > >Tho that wudnt explain the crawly sensations n bites elsewhere

>> > >Or could it be that lyme symptoms or and co infection symptoms are worse

at the site where the person has been previously bitten?

>> > >No one has ever mentioned that.

>> > >Or did the mites lay eggs that r hatchin now even tho left property two

month ago?

>> > >If it isnt mites but it is co infections

>> > >How come when im bitten I get a tiny little red lump in my skin directly

afterwards?

>> > >Surely if internal it wudnt make external little red bumps?

>> > >Its all so confusing

>> > >N for some reason I have deteriated a lot regards bites this week

>> > >Could it be fibromyalgia?

>> > >Would that cause little red bumps?

>> > >Does bartonella cause little red bumps that disapear quite quickly after

the pinprick sensation?

>> > >Why is the medical system so ignorant about all this

>> > >And we all have go private meds

>> > >Its shocking!

>> > >Thanks for listening

>> > >Its a dificult thing to cure when not able aford medical assesments.

>> > >I shall get doxy capsules however.

>> > >Tc everyone

>> > >

>> > >------------------------------

>> > >On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 05:36 PST Sad Girl wrote:

>> > >

>> > >,

>> > >Thanks for being here also :-)

>> > >

>> > >------------------------------

>> > >On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 17:09 PST Goldstein@... wrote:

>> > >

>> > >It seems we are all in some stage of this... some of us have multiple

infections we are trying to cope with besides the Lyme and Bartonella and

Babesia... mycoplasma, Candida, etc. The list can go on and on, but it sure

helps to hear how everyone else is coping with your stage, your personal

struggles. It helps me enormously. How much of this is topical I'll probably

never know... Bill seems to think it is a bug and I can't deny there are not

bugs because most of us have found some of them. For me, I never found a bug,

only fibers and maybe a bug wrapped in a fiber. But it sure is something that

infests the house, whether it is a bug or not.

>> > >

>> > >Thanks for being there everyone.

>> > >

>> > > Re: meds

>> > >

>> > >Hi there

>> > >Thats realy good that doxy may have stopped pin pricking.

>> > >Do u think ur pin pricks were because of lyme infection n not mites?

>> > >My pin prick sensations have got worse recently

>> > >Today about thirty mostly big unpleasant sensations soles,of feet

>> > >Toes partic second n third toes in both feet

>> > >Even one on my arm,two on my legs

>> > >Last night they were bad too

>> > >Im extremely distressed

>> > >As got more agressive with treatment recently

>> > >Eg benzyol peroxide ten days all leg hands feet areas

>> > >Bathing feet with allsorts every night

>> > >And yet its got a lot worse

>> > >I am realy upset

>> > >Someone else said recently the more they did the worse it got

>> > >Do people get more pin pricks when they are herxing?

>> > >I recently bought two secondhand wardrobes to put my newly acquired

clothes,bedding into

>> > >Sprayed nylar inside

>> > >And yet so scared cant bring self to take things outa bin bags to put into

them!!!

>> > >I would be delighted mentaly if I knew the pinpricks were lyme or co

infections

>> > >Because every time im bitten

>> > >The thought that its a mite is makin me deeply unhappy!!

>> > >

>> > >------------------------------

>> > >On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 07:50 PST Linds J wrote:

>> > >

>> > >I very rarely post anything but do read all the emails when I have time. I

have been on Doxy 300 mg for 6 weeks now along with Diflucan once daily and

Nystatin 4 times daily. I haven't had crawlies in months. Pin pricks have

stopped as well. 2 days into Doxy I felt some burning which I think is herxing.

About 2 weeks into Doxy my joints have all been hurting as well as being

nauseous and light headed at times. The Doxy did not stop the crawlies for me as

that went away before I even went on it. However, it may have stopped the pin

pricking. I do have Lyme and possibly had it for 20 years.

>> > >

>> > >------------------------------------

>> > >

February 23, 2012

C- If the herxing was too severe on the banderol do fewer drops and work up to the higher doses, it is a very potent herb for Lyme. Yes, definitely keep taking the Diflucan, every other day if you can afford it, at least until you've been on a multi-strain probiotic for a while. Another option for doxy, bactrim, etc is aquarium stores- they are the same drugs they use on expensive exotic fish which are very sensitive.Also, if you herxed on banderol this would indicate Lyme, and you will probably herx on Doxy. Might need an anti-nausea med for a few days if doc will give you. I used Ondansetron when I started treatment, it allowed me to keep the meds down.Aandraya On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:39 PM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

Thanks Aa

Have stoped samento as herxed too.painfuly

Liked banderol

But runnin out

Will cut back n get more in two weeks then.if helps abx work better.

When would I take the banderol?

Just as usual before food?

I have three diflucan left

I usualy take one a week

Although u said it work on difrent fungus

Thought id try as v cheap

Will I continue to take them?

Thanks

Fingers crossed!

As the bites have realy deteriated.this week after I did more treatments,bathing feet a lot topicaly

But wasnot bathing hands and pinprick bites skin under nails got much worse too

V distressing

Hope is not mites

Hope doxy helps

Was very easy to buy internet

Expensive but worth weight in gold if helps!:-)

------------------------------

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 11:52 PST Aandraya wrote:

>C-

>My gut issues actually eventually resolved on treatment, takes time though. Bart especially is known to cause gut issues but the other infections can as well. C- Hope you get some relief soon. Based on my experience and what others have said I do believe the biting sensations and for sure the crawling sensations are nerves malfunctioning. Lyme- borrelia with coinfections causes massive inflammation which effects the nerves. Eventually these sensations change to bad pain as the nerves loose their sheath, then it takes even longer to heal. Don't forget this is going on in the brain as well and causes all kinds of neuro-psych presentations. Treatment really does work. If you can keep doing the samento and banderol, it helps the abx to work even better- per Buhner- reknowned herbalist. You also need a good quality probiotic, take min 3 hrs away from abx, before bedtime is ideal.

>

>Aandraya

>

>On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:31 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> Thanks Aa

>> Shall take two a day then!

>> Will eat plenty oats,

>> They soothe the tummy

>> And camomile peppermint tea!

>>

>> ------------------------------

>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 14:56 PST Aandraya wrote:

>>

>> >Oops I meant the 100 2 x a day is a standard starting dose. Most Lyme docs start with the 200 2 x a day to hit the bacteria hard but for some the herxing is too severe. I've done both doses. After a few days the stomach upset went away.

>> >

>> >Aandraya

>> >

>> >On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Aandraya <aandraya@...> wrote:

>> >

>> > If you start a low doses the bacteria can build up resistance to it. A low dose is 100mg 2 x a day- that is bacteriostatic- keeps them from reproducing. Studies show 200mg 2x a day is bacteriocidal.

>> >

>> > Aandraya

>> >

>> > On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:44 PM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

>> >

>> > Well its 8 wks for malaria but actualy 100 mg a day

>> > I know folk here take two lots but I was ginna try 100 mg a day see how I go

>> > Or wud I be better buyin capsules n splittin it,into 50 mg twice a day?

>> > I know I usualy get ill on meds so just wanna take it lightly!

>> > Thanks

>> > C

>> >

>> > ------------------------------

>> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 14:35 PST ILIKE TREES wrote:

>> >

>> > >

>> > >Thanks aggi

>> > >I will look into it

>> > >C

>> > >Iv changed to I like trees

>> > >As although im still sad its an akward name title to write to companies etc in email!:-)

>> > >

>> > >Ordered 8 weeks doxy capsules

>> > >Fingers crossed my tummy will handle

>> > >Woll take ant acid two hour before n yogurt two hour before to help tum lining

>> > >The herbs were not enough to stem this:-(

>> > >If doxy helps I shall be so grateful to folk on here!!!

>> > >I really really will!!!

>> > >

>> > >------------------------------

>> > >On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 13:14 PST Aggi Assmann wrote:

>> > >

>> > >Hi C,

>> > >

>> > >What also helps me as a spot-on spray on the skin, is isopropyl alcohol, 70%. It kills the mites instantly. Fill into a small spray bottle and whenever you feel a bite, spray it on, rub a bit and see/feel what happens. I used to keep these little bottles in every room of the house. Now there is only one bottle for emergency cases.

>> > >

>> > >________________________________

>> > >Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>

>> > >An: bird mites

>> > >Gesendet: 22:45 Dienstag, 21.Februar 2012

>> > >Betreff: Re: lyme n co infections

>> > >

>> > >Hi C

>> > >

>> > >My theory still stands. I believe we are getting bit, BUT the attraction to the body is because of the fungal problems. Once bit we get infections. Whatever is biting us is giving us Lyme, co-infections, mycoplasma, whatever. Some people like Doris didn't get any co-infections or Lyme. So not everyone gets it. She moved 3 times I think... and that did it for her, plus sleeping in a bathtub full of water. It is all so perplexing because the Bartonella does cause crawling sensations, scratch marks which are on the surface, and stretch marks, again on the surface of the skin. Lyme disease also causes similar sensations. I think the first time I was infected with Lyme Disease was in the 80's bit while gardening. I got incredibly sick out of the blue, developed what I called Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and for a long time, months, I had a sensation of ants walking on the brain (inside the skull). I think that was Lyme, although I did not get

>> > > treated for it because the testing was so inaccurate.

>> > >

>> > >These infections can cause things that appear on the outside of the skin. I'll post a video I watched yesterday of a young woman who got bit by a tick and developed LD. She was in her teens. If you view the video, you can see has dozens of lesions on the skin. Very very sad story.

>> > >

>> > >I hope you can see this video.

>> > >

>> > >________________________________

>> > >From: "Sad Girl" <wherearetheangels@...>

>> > >bird mites

>> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:32:18 PM

>> > >Subject: Re: lyme n co infections

>> > >

>> > >Hi all

>> > >I did,have fleas in my old flAt before the mites problem

>> > >Then I started gettin bit bad wi mites

>> > >One day I put on a pair of shoes and all my toes attacked

>> > >I took the shoes off n lots of tiny little dots attacking n biting my toes

>> > >As soon as I picked them off

>> > >More appeared

>> > >And it went on n on for hours

>> > >My toes were under siege n they apeared out of nowhere

>> > >It was like a horror film

>> > >Cudnt believe it!

>> > >At that time I thought they must b somethin other than baby fleas

>> > >But I kidded self on they baby fleas

>> > >As I cudnt mentaly cope wi what was hapening

>> > >So

>> > >I did see them attack my feet

>> > >This,was august I think

>> > >Last year

>> > >I find it not a coincidence that the worst place for pinprick bites in my body is still my feet n soles of feet

>> > >And that my toes were where they atacked

>> > >So

>> > >I wonder

>> > >...is the bites I feel now a nervous system reaction to what I went through?

>> > >Tho that wudnt explain the crawly sensations n bites elsewhere

>> > >Or could it be that lyme symptoms or and co infection symptoms are worse at the site where the person has been previously bitten?

>> > >No one has ever mentioned that.

>> > >Or did the mites lay eggs that r hatchin now even tho left property two month ago?

>> > >If it isnt mites but it is co infections

>> > >How come when im bitten I get a tiny little red lump in my skin directly afterwards?

>> > >Surely if internal it wudnt make external little red bumps?

>> > >Its all so confusing

>> > >N for some reason I have deteriated a lot regards bites this week

>> > >Could it be fibromyalgia?

>> > >Would that cause little red bumps?

>> > >Does bartonella cause little red bumps that disapear quite quickly after the pinprick sensation?

>> > >Why is the medical system so ignorant about all this

>> > >And we all have go private meds

>> > >Its shocking!

>> > >Thanks for listening

>> > >Its a dificult thing to cure when not able aford medical assesments.

>> > >I shall get doxy capsules however.

>> > >Tc everyone

>> > >

>> > >------------------------------

>> > >On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 05:36 PST Sad Girl wrote:

>> > >

>> > >,

>> > >Thanks for being here also :-)

>> > >

>> > >------------------------------

>> > >On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 17:09 PST Goldstein@... wrote:

>> > >

>> > >It seems we are all in some stage of this... some of us have multiple infections we are trying to cope with besides the Lyme and Bartonella and Babesia... mycoplasma, Candida, etc. The list can go on and on, but it sure helps to hear how everyone else is coping with your stage, your personal struggles. It helps me enormously. How much of this is topical I'll probably never know... Bill seems to think it is a bug and I can't deny there are not bugs because most of us have found some of them. For me, I never found a bug, only fibers and maybe a bug wrapped in a fiber. But it sure is something that infests the house, whether it is a bug or not.

>> > >

>> > >Thanks for being there everyone.

>> > >

>> > > Re: meds

>> > >

>> > >Hi there

>> > >Thats realy good that doxy may have stopped pin pricking.

>> > >Do u think ur pin pricks were because of lyme infection n not mites?

>> > >My pin prick sensations have got worse recently

>> > >Today about thirty mostly big unpleasant sensations soles,of feet

>> > >Toes partic second n third toes in both feet

>> > >Even one on my arm,two on my legs

>> > >Last night they were bad too

>> > >Im extremely distressed

>> > >As got more agressive with treatment recently

>> > >Eg benzyol peroxide ten days all leg hands feet areas

>> > >Bathing feet with allsorts every night

>> > >And yet its got a lot worse

>> > >I am realy upset

>> > >Someone else said recently the more they did the worse it got

>> > >Do people get more pin pricks when they are herxing?

>> > >I recently bought two secondhand wardrobes to put my newly acquired clothes,bedding into

>> > >Sprayed nylar inside

>> > >And yet so scared cant bring self to take things outa bin bags to put into them!!!

>> > >I would be delighted mentaly if I knew the pinpricks were lyme or co infections

>> > >Because every time im bitten

>> > >The thought that its a mite is makin me deeply unhappy!!

>> > >

>> > >------------------------------

>> > >On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 07:50 PST Linds J wrote:

>> > >

>> > >I very rarely post anything but do read all the emails when I have time. I have been on Doxy 300 mg for 6 weeks now along with Diflucan once daily and Nystatin 4 times daily. I haven't had crawlies in months. Pin pricks have stopped as well. 2 days into Doxy I felt some burning which I think is herxing. About 2 weeks into Doxy my joints have all been hurting as well as being nauseous and light headed at times. The Doxy did not stop the crawlies for me as that went away before I even went on it. However, it may have stopped the pin pricking. I do have Lyme and possibly had it for 20 years.

>> > >

>> > >------------------------------------

>> > >

February 24, 2012

Hello C,

May I ask you where you ordered the Doxy and at what price ?

For me it was more precious than thousands of gold bars ;-)

Just hope it is going to help you as much !

Von: ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 23:39 Donnerstag, 23.Februar 2012Betreff: Re: lyme n co infections

Thanks AaHave stoped samento as herxed too.painfulyLiked banderolBut runnin outWill cut back n get more in two weeks then.if helps abx work better.When would I take the banderol?Just as usual before food?I have three diflucan leftI usualy take one a weekAlthough u said it work on difrent fungusThought id try as v cheapWill I continue to take them?ThanksFingers crossed!As the bites have realy deteriated.this week after I did more treatments,bathing feet a lot topicalyBut wasnot bathing hands and pinprick bites skin under nails got much worse tooV distressingHope is not mitesHope doxy helpsWas very easy to buy internetExpensive but worth weight in gold if helps!:-)------------------------------On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 11:52 PST Aandraya wrote:>C->My gut issues actually eventually resolved on treatment, takes time though. Bart especially is

known to cause gut issues but the other infections can as well. C- Hope you get some relief soon. Based on my experience and what others have said I do believe the biting sensations and for sure the crawling sensations are nerves malfunctioning. Lyme- borrelia with coinfections causes massive inflammation which effects the nerves. Eventually these sensations change to bad pain as the nerves loose their sheath, then it takes even longer to heal. Don't forget this is going on in the brain as well and causes all kinds of neuro-psych presentations. Treatment really does work. If you can keep doing the samento and banderol, it helps the abx to work even better- per Buhner- reknowned herbalist. You also need a good quality probiotic, take min 3 hrs away from abx, before bedtime is ideal.>>Aandraya>>>>On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:31 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:>>> >> Thanks Aa>> Shall take two a day then!>> Will eat plenty oats,>> They soothe the tummy>> And camomile peppermint tea!>> >> ------------------------------>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 14:56 PST Aandraya wrote:>> >> >Oops I meant the 100 2 x a day is a standard starting dose. Most Lyme docs start with the 200 2 x a day to hit the bacteria hard but for some the herxing is too severe. I've done both doses. After a few days the stomach upset went away.>> >>> >Aandraya>> >>> >>> >>> >On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Aandraya <aandraya@...>

wrote:>> >>> > If you start a low doses the bacteria can build up resistance to it. A low dose is 100mg 2 x a day- that is bacteriostatic- keeps them from reproducing. Studies show 200mg 2x a day is bacteriocidal.>> >>> > Aandraya>> >>> >>> >>> > On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:44 PM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:>> >>> >>> >>> > Well its 8 wks for malaria but actualy 100 mg a day>> > I know folk here take two lots but I was ginna try 100 mg a day see how I go>> > Or wud I be better buyin capsules n splittin it,into 50 mg twice a day?>> > I know I usualy get ill on meds so just wanna take it lightly!>> >

Thanks>> > C>> >>> > ------------------------------>> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 14:35 PST ILIKE TREES wrote:>> >>> > >>> > >Thanks aggi>> > >I will look into it>> > >C>> > >Iv changed to I like trees>> > >As although im still sad its an akward name title to write to companies etc in email!:-)>> > >>> > >Ordered 8 weeks doxy capsules>> > >Fingers crossed my tummy will handle>> > >Woll take ant acid two hour before n yogurt two hour before to help tum lining>> > >The herbs were not enough to stem this:-(>> > >If doxy helps I shall be so grateful to folk on here!!!>> > >I really really will!!!>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >

>------------------------------>> > >On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 13:14 PST Aggi Assmann wrote:>> > >>> > >Hi C,>> > >>> > >What also helps me as a spot-on spray on the skin, is isopropyl alcohol, 70%. It kills the mites instantly. Fill into a small spray bottle and whenever you feel a bite, spray it on, rub a bit and see/feel what happens. I used to keep these little bottles in every room of the house. Now there is only one bottle for emergency cases.>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >________________________________>> > >Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>>> > >An: bird mites >> > >Gesendet: 22:45 Dienstag, 21.Februar 2012>> > >Betreff: Re: lyme n co infections>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >Hi C>> > >>> > >My theory still stands. I believe we are getting bit, BUT the attraction to the body is because of the fungal problems. Once bit we get infections. Whatever is biting us is giving us Lyme, co-infections, mycoplasma, whatever. Some people like Doris didn't get any co-infections or Lyme. So not everyone gets it. She moved 3 times I think... and that did it for her, plus sleeping in a bathtub full of water. It is all so perplexing

because the Bartonella does cause crawling sensations, scratch marks which are on the surface, and stretch marks, again on the surface of the skin. Lyme disease also causes similar sensations. I think the first time I was infected with Lyme Disease was in the 80's bit while gardening. I got incredibly sick out of the blue, developed what I called Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and for a long time, months, I had a sensation of ants walking on the brain (inside the skull). I think that was Lyme, although I did not get>> > > treated for it because the testing was so inaccurate.>> > >>> > >These infections can cause things that appear on the outside of the skin. I'll post a video I watched yesterday of a young woman who got bit by a tick and developed LD. She was in her teens. If you view the video, you can see has dozens of lesions on the skin. Very very sad story.>> > >>> > >I hope

you can see this video.

> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >________________________________>> > >From: "Sad Girl" <wherearetheangels@...>>> > >bird mites >> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:32:18 PM>> > >Subject: Re: lyme n co infections>> > >>> > >>> > >Hi all>> > >I did,have fleas in my old flAt before the mites

problem>> > >Then I started gettin bit bad wi mites>> > >One day I put on a pair of shoes and all my toes attacked>> > >I took the shoes off n lots of tiny little dots attacking n biting my toes>> > >As soon as I picked them off>> > >More appeared>> > >And it went on n on for hours>> > >My toes were under siege n they apeared out of nowhere>> > >It was like a horror film>> > >Cudnt believe it!>> > >At that time I thought they must b somethin other than baby fleas>> > >But I kidded self on they baby fleas>> > >As I cudnt mentaly cope wi what was hapening>> > >So>> > >I did see them attack my feet>> > >This,was august I think>> > >Last year>> > >I find it not a coincidence that the worst

place for pinprick bites in my body is still my feet n soles of feet>> > >And that my toes were where they atacked>> > >So>> > >I wonder>> > >...is the bites I feel now a nervous system reaction to what I went through?>> > >Tho that wudnt explain the crawly sensations n bites elsewhere>> > >Or could it be that lyme symptoms or and co infection symptoms are worse at the site where the person has been previously bitten?>> > >No one has ever mentioned that.>> > >Or did the mites lay eggs that r hatchin now even tho left property two month ago?>> > >If it isnt mites but it is co infections>> > >How come when im bitten I get a tiny little red lump in my skin directly afterwards?>> > >Surely if internal it wudnt make external little red bumps?>> > >Its all so

confusing>> > >N for some reason I have deteriated a lot regards bites this week>> > >Could it be fibromyalgia?>> > >Would that cause little red bumps?>> > >Does bartonella cause little red bumps that disapear quite quickly after the pinprick sensation?>> > >Why is the medical system so ignorant about all this>> > >And we all have go private meds>> > >Its shocking!>> > >Thanks for listening>> > >Its a dificult thing to cure when not able aford medical assesments.>> > >I shall get doxy capsules however.>> > >Tc everyone>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >------------------------------>> > >On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 05:36 PST Sad Girl wrote:>> > >>> > >>>

> >,>> > >Thanks for being here also :-)>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >------------------------------>> > >On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 17:09 PST Goldstein@... wrote:>> > >>> > >It seems we are all in some stage of this... some of us have multiple infections we are trying to cope with besides the Lyme and Bartonella and Babesia... mycoplasma, Candida, etc. The list can go on and on, but it sure helps to hear how everyone else is coping with your stage, your personal struggles. It helps me enormously. How much of this is topical I'll probably never know... Bill seems to think it is a bug and I can't deny there are not bugs because most of us have found some of them. For me, I never found a bug, only

fibers and maybe a bug wrapped in a fiber. But it sure is something that infests the house, whether it is a bug or not.>> > >>> > >>> > >Thanks for being there everyone.>> > >>> > > Re:

meds>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >Hi there>> > >Thats realy good that doxy may have stopped pin pricking.>> > >Do u think ur pin pricks were because of lyme infection n not mites?>> > >My pin prick sensations have got worse recently>> > >Today about thirty mostly big unpleasant sensations soles,of feet>> > >Toes partic second n third toes in both feet>> > >Even one on my arm,two on my legs>> > >Last night they were bad too>> > >Im extremely distressed>> > >As got more agressive with treatment recently>> > >Eg benzyol peroxide ten days all leg hands feet areas>> > >Bathing feet with allsorts every night>> > >And yet its got a lot

worse>> > >I am realy upset>> > >Someone else said recently the more they did the worse it got>> > >Do people get more pin pricks when they are herxing?>> > >I recently bought two secondhand wardrobes to put my newly acquired clothes,bedding into>> > >Sprayed nylar inside>> > >And yet so scared cant bring self to take things outa bin bags to put into them!!!>> > >I would be delighted mentaly if I knew the pinpricks were lyme or co infections>> > >Because every time im bitten>> > >The thought that its a mite is makin me deeply unhappy!!>> > >>> > >------------------------------>> > >On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 07:50 PST Linds J wrote:>> > >>> > >I very rarely post anything but do read all the emails when I have time. I have been on Doxy 300

mg for 6 weeks now along with Diflucan once daily and Nystatin 4 times daily. I haven't had crawlies in months. Pin pricks have stopped as well. 2 days into Doxy I felt some burning which I think is herxing. About 2 weeks into Doxy my joints have all been hurting as well as being nauseous and light headed at times. The Doxy did not stop the crawlies for me as that went away before I even went on it. However, it may have stopped the pin pricking. I do have Lyme and possibly had it for 20 years.>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >------------------------------------>> > >>> > >

February 24, 2012

Thanks Aa

I herxed on samento quite badly

Made my stomach spasm and very bad crawly sensation on it

Didnt herx on banderol,was ok on it.

Cant aford any more meds just now

But got 45 days 200 mg doxy today

So fingers crossed!!:-)

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On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 15:09 PST Aandraya wrote:

>C- If the herxing was too severe on the banderol do fewer drops and work up to

the higher doses, it is a very potent herb for Lyme. Yes, definitely keep

taking the Diflucan, every other day if you can afford it, at least until you've

been on a multi-strain probiotic for a while. Another option for doxy, bactrim,

etc is aquarium stores- they are the same drugs they use on expensive exotic

fish which are very sensitive.

>

>Also, if you herxed on banderol this would indicate Lyme, and you will probably

herx on Doxy. Might need an anti-nausea med for a few days if doc will give

you. I used Ondansetron when I started treatment, it allowed me to keep the

meds down.

>

>Aandraya

>

>On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:39 PM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> Thanks Aa

>> Have stoped samento as herxed too.painfuly

>> Liked banderol

>> But runnin out

>> Will cut back n get more in two weeks then.if helps abx work better.

>> When would I take the banderol?

>> Just as usual before food?

>> I have three diflucan left

>> I usualy take one a week

>> Although u said it work on difrent fungus

>> Thought id try as v cheap

>> Will I continue to take them?

>> Thanks

>> Fingers crossed!

>> As the bites have realy deteriated.this week after I did more

treatments,bathing feet a lot topicaly

>> But wasnot bathing hands and pinprick bites skin under nails got much worse

too

>> V distressing

>> Hope is not mites

>> Hope doxy helps

>> Was very easy to buy internet

>> Expensive but worth weight in gold if helps!:-)

>>

>> ------------------------------

>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 11:52 PST Aandraya wrote:

>>

>> >C-

>> >My gut issues actually eventually resolved on treatment, takes time though.

Bart especially is known to cause gut issues but the other infections can as

well. C- Hope you get some relief soon. Based on my experience and what others

have said I do believe the biting sensations and for sure the crawling

sensations are nerves malfunctioning. Lyme- borrelia with coinfections causes

massive inflammation which effects the nerves. Eventually these sensations

change to bad pain as the nerves loose their sheath, then it takes even longer

to heal. Don't forget this is going on in the brain as well and causes all kinds

of neuro-psych presentations. Treatment really does work. If you can keep doing

the samento and banderol, it helps the abx to work even better- per

Buhner- reknowned herbalist. You also need a good quality probiotic, take min 3

hrs away from abx, before bedtime is ideal.

>> >

>> >Aandraya

>> >

>> >On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:31 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...>

wrote:

>> >

>> > Thanks Aa

>> > Shall take two a day then!

>> > Will eat plenty oats,

>> > They soothe the tummy

>> > And camomile peppermint tea!

>> >

>> > ------------------------------

>> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 14:56 PST Aandraya wrote:

>> >

>> > >Oops I meant the 100 2 x a day is a standard starting dose. Most Lyme docs

start with the 200 2 x a day to hit the bacteria hard but for some the herxing

is too severe. I've done both doses. After a few days the stomach upset went

away.

>> > >

>> > >Aandraya

>> > >

>> > >On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Aandraya <aandraya@...> wrote:

>> > >

>> > > If you start a low doses the bacteria can build up resistance to it. A

low dose is 100mg 2 x a day- that is bacteriostatic- keeps them from

reproducing. Studies show 200mg 2x a day is bacteriocidal.

>> > >

>> > > Aandraya

>> > >

>> > > On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:44 PM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...>

wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Well its 8 wks for malaria but actualy 100 mg a day

>> > > I know folk here take two lots but I was ginna try 100 mg a day see how I

go

>> > > Or wud I be better buyin capsules n splittin it,into 50 mg twice a day?

>> > > I know I usualy get ill on meds so just wanna take it lightly!

>> > > Thanks

>> > > C

>> > >

>> > > ------------------------------

>> > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 14:35 PST ILIKE TREES wrote:

>> > >

>> > > >

>> > > >Thanks aggi

>> > > >I will look into it

>> > > >C

>> > > >Iv changed to I like trees

>> > > >As although im still sad its an akward name title to write to companies

etc in email!:-)

>> > > >

>> > > >Ordered 8 weeks doxy capsules

>> > > >Fingers crossed my tummy will handle

>> > > >Woll take ant acid two hour before n yogurt two hour before to help tum

lining

>> > > >The herbs were not enough to stem this:-(

>> > > >If doxy helps I shall be so grateful to folk on here!!!

>> > > >I really really will!!!

>> > > >

>> > > >------------------------------

>> > > >On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 13:14 PST Aggi Assmann wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > >Hi C,

>> > > >

>> > > >What also helps me as a spot-on spray on the skin, is isopropyl alcohol,

70%. It kills the mites instantly. Fill into a small spray bottle and whenever

you feel a bite, spray it on, rub a bit and see/feel what happens. I used to

keep these little bottles in every room of the house. Now there is only one

bottle for emergency cases.

>> > > >

>> > > >________________________________

>> > > >Von: " Goldstein@... " <Goldstein@...>

>> > > >An: bird mites

>> > > >Gesendet: 22:45 Dienstag, 21.Februar 2012

>> > > >Betreff: Re: lyme n co infections

>> > > >

>> > > >Hi C

>> > > >

>> > > >My theory still stands. I believe we are getting bit, BUT the attraction