Re: spending christmas alone - trying to find hope

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Jdavid-Can you be more specific as to your symptoms? Marks on the skin, debris on skin or in apt, organisms you have seen, skin sensations and other health issues.... I have been through this. I thought I could pass it to others as well, but never did- not to my daughters or boyfriend, not to people at work. The root of the problem is internal. A good start to treating internally is antifungals.AandrayaOn Dec 21, 2011, at 8:12 PM, jdavid7476 <jdavid7476@...> wrote:

Hi all.

Sorry for the long post.

Well I just told my family that I can not join them for Christmas. The first time ever. What is worse is that I did not have the nerve to tell them why. I think it would either freak them out or they would minimize it. I can not handle either scenario. The last thing I want to do is infect them. I am so very alone.

I am paralyzed with exhaustion, both mentally and physically, and find my self wondering why me hour after hour. I know so many on here are dealing with this, but I never do get over the feeling of being alone with this nightmare. And winter involves so many clothes!!!

All through the day, I come up with hundreds of questions and I find these forums are the only outlet for communication. The fact that doctors and exterminators are so inept is so disheartening. This is the 21st Century. I never thought i would experience something that all the "professionals" would be ignorant of. The exterminators tell me to go to doctors and the doctors tell me to go to exterminators.

What is even more mentally exhausting is that I want to make a complete change, but I feel I have to 1. move from my apt 2. get them off my body 3. quit my job ( I am so scared that they may be there as well, and I would just transfer them to my new place). Doing all these three things needs to be timed and so financially dangerous.

I am going to end with some probably silly questions, but I was hoping others had heard about these obvious questions.

1. How do they respond in sea water? I was thinking of taking a trip to Florida and practically stay in the ocean all day. I know they like humidity, but do they stay on you in the ocean? In other words, do they like the beach?

2. Can you kill these things by going to Saunas and hot tubs?

3. I can't get these things off my face. I wear bathing cap at night with medicated menthol powder inside, goggles, and ear plugs. I wash with Denorex and Selsun Blue as well. I thought it was helping, but it seems a new batch just started again.

4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have finished spraying Nylar and will be putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth as well. Question is: do you continue vacuuming afterwards? Are you supposed to vacuum and put down Pyr/D Earth each day? Anyone know.

Thank you anyone who reads this long post and offers their answers/insight. I, like so many on here, am going through a hard time with this and feeling so alone.

Thanks again.!

jdavid

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I never passed it either.  My husband and in-laws never had a bite.  Lived with in-laws for 6 weeks.

Using epsom salts was a turning point for me.  Spending all day in the ocean should get them off...not sure about the eggs, though.  Wait 5-7 days and when they hatch they will die from salt water also.  Make sure you wash sheets & clothes everyday.  You don't want to reinfest from that...don't reuse anything.  Also make sure the place you stay has the a/c pumping.

Use baking soda in work space & home.  Can you sprinkle and leave day & /or night. Also around where bed frame touches the floor.  That kills them.  Also just got Orange TKO & it works well.

See an LLMD and treat internally.  If you move, it will help, but if they are internal, you will bring them.  Things won't be nearly as bad when you move as long as you keep up rituals.  Bottom line...find out if you have any chronic issues and get better.  That is the long term solution.

We cleaned my husbands workspace, vacuumed etc....at night when everyone was gone.  Once a week.  He sprayed everything down with lysol daily.  Also, he changed his shoes at work...bagged the home shoes then changed again before he came home.

Things WILL get better!!!!!!!

Spending time outside of the house boosts moral  and I felt less symptoms.  Maybe you can still go just don't sit on any upholstered furniture and stay in a hotel...?

On Dec 21, 2011 9:22 PM, " Aandraya " <aandraya@...> wrote:

 

Jdavid-Can you be more specific as to your symptoms?  Marks on the skin, debris on skin or in apt, organisms you have seen, skin sensations and other health issues....   I have been through this.  I thought I could pass it to others as well, but never did- not to my daughters or boyfriend, not to people at work.  The root of the problem is internal. A good start to treating internally is antifungals.

AandrayaOn Dec 21, 2011, at 8:12 PM, jdavid7476 <jdavid7476@...> wrote:>  >> Hi all.

>> Sorry...

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Hi Aandraya,

I am currently experiencing the following:

1. bites. Some bites are pin-prick bits - a simple red dot. Others look like

small clusters of bits. Others are just red rashes.

2. mysterious appearance of red track marks in a line. I don't think these are

bites, and appear usually in shower. I haven't seen these in a couple weeks.

3. I have never seen or experienced movement under my skin, or bugs coming out

of my skin.

4. I have no fungus or black dots that I have seen.

5. I feel the bugs moving, especially on my face. Feel the spider web feeling

too.

6. i have never seen or have been able to capture one. I thought I had one, but

the exterminator could not id it. I think they lost it. They later admitted that

they were not experts in mites.

7. My health was good prior to this, now i am a wreck. I have lost 15 pounds.

This all started when i started getting bit once in awhile and I thought I had

bed bugs. But when I couldn't trap any, and they started living ON me, I figured

they were probably mites.

I am not sure if this matches what you have seen. When you say anti-fungals, are

you talking about simple over the counter products?

Thank you for any info.

Jdavid

>

> > Hi all.

> >

> > Sorry for the long post.

> >

> > Well I just told my family that I can not join them for Christmas.

> > The first time ever. What is worse is that I did not have the nerve

> > to tell them why. I think it would either freak them out or they

> > would minimize it. I can not handle either scenario. The last thing

> > I want to do is infect them. I am so very alone.

> >

> > I am paralyzed with exhaustion, both mentally and physically, and

> > find my self wondering why me hour after hour. I know so many on

> > here are dealing with this, but I never do get over the feeling of

> > being alone with this nightmare. And winter involves so many

> > clothes!!!

> >

> > All through the day, I come up with hundreds of questions and I find

> > these forums are the only outlet for communication. The fact that

> > doctors and exterminators are so inept is so disheartening. This is

> > the 21st Century. I never thought i would experience something that

> > all the " professionals " would be ignorant of. The exterminators tell

> > me to go to doctors and the doctors tell me to go to exterminators.

> >

> > What is even more mentally exhausting is that I want to make a

> > complete change, but I feel I have to 1. move from my apt 2. get

> > them off my body 3. quit my job ( I am so scared that they may be

> > there as well, and I would just transfer them to my new place).

> > Doing all these three things needs to be timed and so financially

> > dangerous.

> >

> > I am going to end with some probably silly questions, but I was

> > hoping others had heard about these obvious questions.

> >

> > 1. How do they respond in sea water? I was thinking of taking a trip

> > to Florida and practically stay in the ocean all day. I know they

> > like humidity, but do they stay on you in the ocean? In other words,

> > do they like the beach?

> >

> > 2. Can you kill these things by going to Saunas and hot tubs?

> >

> > 3. I can't get these things off my face. I wear bathing cap at night

> > with medicated menthol powder inside, goggles, and ear plugs. I wash

> > with Denorex and Selsun Blue as well. I thought it was helping, but

> > it seems a new batch just started again.

> >

> > 4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have finished spraying Nylar

> > and will be putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth as well. Question is:

> > do you continue vacuuming afterwards? Are you supposed to vacuum and

> > put down Pyr/D Earth each day? Anyone know.

> >

> > Thank you anyone who reads this long post and offers their answers/

> > insight. I, like so many on here, am going through a hard time with

> > this and feeling so alone.

> >

> > Thanks again.!

> > jdavid

> >

> >

>

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Thank you for the post Elissa.

Can you be more specific with using epsom salts. Was it as simple as taking

epsom salt baths? What is an LLMD, is that a Lyme Disease doctor?

>

> >

> >

> > Hi all.

> >

> > Sorry...

>

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The losing weight especially makes me think chronic infections, crawling sensations... Do you see anything floating in your environment? Antifungals like sporonax and Vfend are very good, both Rx. You can try herbal antiungals too like high dose allicin, it was not enough for me. Watch for changes in your health and skin symptoms. I had the red lines you are talking about. Consider seeing a llmd- What state do you live in? It's not just an external issue. I know it seems like it is, I lost months trying to treat externally. What do the red dots look like? Flat? Blister like? Bumps? Open sores?AandrayaOn Dec 21, 2011, at 9:14 PM, jdavid7476 <jdavid7476@...> wrote:

Hi Aandraya,

I am currently experiencing the following:

1. bites. Some bites are pin-prick bits - a simple red dot. Others look like small clusters of bits. Others are just red rashes.

2. mysterious appearance of red track marks in a line. I don't think these are bites, and appear usually in shower. I haven't seen these in a couple weeks.

3. I have never seen or experienced movement under my skin, or bugs coming out of my skin.

4. I have no fungus or black dots that I have seen.

5. I feel the bugs moving, especially on my face. Feel the spider web feeling too.

6. i have never seen or have been able to capture one. I thought I had one, but the exterminator could not id it. I think they lost it. They later admitted that they were not experts in mites.

7. My health was good prior to this, now i am a wreck. I have lost 15 pounds. This all started when i started getting bit once in awhile and I thought I had bed bugs. But when I couldn't trap any, and they started living ON me, I figured they were probably mites.

I am not sure if this matches what you have seen. When you say anti-fungals, are you talking about simple over the counter products?

Thank you for any info.

Jdavid

>

> > Hi all.

> >

> > Sorry for the long post.

> >

> > Well I just told my family that I can not join them for Christmas.

> > The first time ever. What is worse is that I did not have the nerve

> > to tell them why. I think it would either freak them out or they

> > would minimize it. I can not handle either scenario. The last thing

> > I want to do is infect them. I am so very alone.

> >

> > I am paralyzed with exhaustion, both mentally and physically, and

> > find my self wondering why me hour after hour. I know so many on

> > here are dealing with this, but I never do get over the feeling of

> > being alone with this nightmare. And winter involves so many

> > clothes!!!

> >

> > All through the day, I come up with hundreds of questions and I find

> > these forums are the only outlet for communication. The fact that

> > doctors and exterminators are so inept is so disheartening. This is

> > the 21st Century. I never thought i would experience something that

> > all the "professionals" would be ignorant of. The exterminators tell

> > me to go to doctors and the doctors tell me to go to exterminators.

> >

> > What is even more mentally exhausting is that I want to make a

> > complete change, but I feel I have to 1. move from my apt 2. get

> > them off my body 3. quit my job ( I am so scared that they may be

> > there as well, and I would just transfer them to my new place).

> > Doing all these three things needs to be timed and so financially

> > dangerous.

> >

> > I am going to end with some probably silly questions, but I was

> > hoping others had heard about these obvious questions.

> >

> > 1. How do they respond in sea water? I was thinking of taking a trip

> > to Florida and practically stay in the ocean all day. I know they

> > like humidity, but do they stay on you in the ocean? In other words,

> > do they like the beach?

> >

> > 2. Can you kill these things by going to Saunas and hot tubs?

> >

> > 3. I can't get these things off my face. I wear bathing cap at night

> > with medicated menthol powder inside, goggles, and ear plugs. I wash

> > with Denorex and Selsun Blue as well. I thought it was helping, but

> > it seems a new batch just started again.

> >

> > 4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have finished spraying Nylar

> > and will be putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth as well. Question is:

> > do you continue vacuuming afterwards? Are you supposed to vacuum and

> > put down Pyr/D Earth each day? Anyone know.

> >

> > Thank you anyone who reads this long post and offers their answers/

> > insight. I, like so many on here, am going through a hard time with

> > this and feeling so alone.

> >

> > Thanks again.!

> > jdavid

> >

> >

>

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Hi

you asked :

.. How do they respond in sea water? ANSW IN CAPS..OK ?

THEY DIE IN SEA WATER ,but you might have to hlep them die try this :

http://www.earthclinic.com/Pets/dog_mange_cure.html

The mix:

2 tblspns borax (20 mule team Borax laundry booster

16 oz peroxide (3%)

32 oz water.

mix it , and the borax nuetralizes the peroxide, it is painless & the is no fizz

or bruning from this mix & it is cheap

& for the really bad areas step it up to

8 tbls borax

1 cup of water

1 cup perox

both are painless & very effective

I was thinking of taking a trip to Florida and practically stay in the ocean

all day

GOOD IDEA

I know they like humidity, but do they stay on you in the ocean?

THEY SOAK OUT BUT BEST TO GIVE THEM A HAND BY GOING IN THE TUB WITH 1 CUP borax

& 1/8 cup dawn dish soap & keep it stired up so soap drowns them & they don't

crawlin your ears

One poster slept with rag on his face soaked in of 1 tbl borax & 1 gallon of

water . So I tried it for 30 mins & it removed them from my face , I did it 2

times daiily

In other words, do they like the beach?

SALT WATER KILLS BUGS , but you have to hlep it with other things

also 2 baths per week in Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent 1 cup kills

hthem real we'll, changing up treatment chemicals keep the from getting used to

any one thing . Rinsing when done & refilling tub walf way & adding 2 tbls

coconut oil & dipping under for 5 mins or so is when all crawling stopped

.....for 2 years now Praise His Holy name God is good .. .. He annoints my head

with oil my cup runneth over

2. Can you kill these things by going to Saunas and hot tubs?

ANSW: YES SAUNAS SOAK THEM OUT , I DON'T know about hot tubs

3. I can't get these things off my face. I wear bathing cap at night with

medicated menthol powder inside, goggles, and ear plugs.

ANTIBIOTIC DROPS ERASES THEM FROM THE EARS , QUICK CLINICS PRESCRIBE THEM IF

YOUR EAR IS RED INSIDE & ESPECIALLY IF YOU SAY ANTIBIOTIC DROPS cured it last

time .follow the direction , use for 10 days , cured me 3 times of this bug , in

5 years

I wash with Denorex and Selsun Blue as well. I thought it was helping, but it

seems a new batch just started again.

WACK THE NEW BATCH WITH THE BORAX & PEROXIDE MIX INSTANTLY

I KEEP A SMALL BOTTLE IN MY POCKET AT ALL TIMES .

4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have finished spraying Nylar and will be

putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth as well. Question is: do you continue

vacuuming afterwards?

NO VACUAMING , LET IT SIT .

IF THE DUST DRIVES YOU NUTS MIST IT WITH 1 CUP EPSOM SALTS & 4 cups of water to

lock it into the glaze of the epsom when it dries then the dust won't bother you

.. Or use 2 tbls cococnut oil & 48 oz of water in a 48 oz chapin sprayer from Ace

hardware, $12.00 it is very convienent for quick spraying .

Are you supposed to vacuum and put down Pyr/D Earth each day?

NO VACUAMMING POISOIN UP ...( ps DE DESTROYS VACUUMS FAST, BY THE WAY

Anyone know.Thank you anyone who reads this long post and offers their

answers/insight. I, like so many on here, am going through a hard time with this

and feeling so alone.Thanks again.!jdavid

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Live hospital clean , strip the contaminated thing out ouf your life into

contractor bags & wash everthing in Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent 1

cup per gallon , rinse with 1 gal water & r 2ups Windex with butyl ethelyene in

the ingredients on the label .Then paint the cieling & walls & seal the floors

with floor sealer . Blow borax spray 1 cup per gal of water into the vents

with a leave blower, $26.00 at walmart.

Sleeping on an clean air matress that has been deflated , rolled up ,stuck in a

5 gallon bucket of water & 1 cup Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent for 3

hrs , dump into tub & rinse , drip dry, place on a hard floor sprayed with 2

tbls coconut oil & 48 oz of water & reinflate matress w/ a hair dryer on cool

shot in 90 seconds . Bugs can't navigate oil , I sprayed every morning cause I

knew they were lurking near me in the am , a perfect time to sop them in some

oily water & or epsom salt , or Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent . It

works . Killing them constantly , sooner or later there is no more .

No one listens to bug stories , it make them itch , they don't want to hear it,

it best not to wear people out with it . Most people don't know about bugs & how

to kill them , ask people who are experts , vets & the like .

It is a bug, Kill it , it will die ,

ps 1 cup dry Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent

in the shoes over mite wipes them out like a miracle ,shake it out in the am ,

then 2 tbls baking soda in them each day keep them out. I wear boots only ,that

is 1st in mite protection.

Betadine on the eyelids while keeping them closed for 5 mins then rinsing well

erased them from the eyes in 1 application ..... May be a 2nd the next day .

I had it terrible 700 bites, crawling , pinprick ,piercing feelings , streaks

of bites in a row , blisters , lesions, ..a nitemare ... I am fine now , I still

get bet once in a while in parks , dock , old trucks etc ..sosnnut oil 2 tbls in

the tun leaves a shield so the can't bite easliy .. Try it is is 5.00 at the

grocer next to the olive oil , it never goes rancid , ever .. It has 100 cures

it is know for ..

God bless you ,

Bill

------------------------------On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 9:12 PM EST jdavid7476

wrote:>Hi all.>>Sorry for the long post.>>Well I just told my family that I can

not join them for Christmas. The first time ever. What is worse is that I did

not have the nerve to tell them why. I think it would either freak them out or

they would minimize it. I can not handle either scenario. The last thing I

want to do is infect them. I am so very alone.>>I am paralyzed with exhaustion,

both mentally and physically, and find my self wondering why me hour after hour.

I know so many on here are dealing with this, but I never do get over the

feeling of being alone with this nightmare. And winter involves so many

clothes!!!>>All through the day, I come up with hundreds of questions and I find

these forums are the only outlet for communication. The fact that doctors and

exterminators are so inept is so disheartening. This is the 21st Century. I

never thought i would experience

something that all the " professionals " would be ignorant of. The exterminators

tell me to go to doctors and the doctors tell me to go to exterminators.>>What

is even more mentally exhausting is that I want to make a complete change, but I

feel I have to 1. move from my apt 2. get them off my body 3. quit my job ( I

am so scared that they may be there as well, and I would just transfer them to

my new place). Doing all these three things needs to be timed and so

financially dangerous. >>I am going to end with some probably silly questions,

but I was hoping others had heard about these obvious questions.>>1. How do they

respond in sea water? I was thinking of taking a trip to Florida and practically

stay in the ocean all day. I know they like humidity, but do they stay on you

in the ocean? In other words, do they like the beach?>>2. Can you kill these

things by going to Saunas and hot tubs?>>3. I can't get these things off my

face. I wear bathing cap

at night with medicated menthol powder inside, goggles, and ear plugs. I wash

with Denorex and Selsun Blue as well. I thought it was helping, but it seems a

new batch just started again. >>4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have

finished spraying Nylar and will be putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth as well.

Question is: do you continue vacuuming afterwards? Are you supposed to vacuum

and put down Pyr/D Earth each day? Anyone know.>>Thank you anyone who reads

this long post and offers their answers/insight. I, like so many on here, am

going through a hard time with this and feeling so alone.>>Thanks

again.!>jdavid>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Hi, J !I feel for you and your situation. Do you live alone?

Me and my family experienced the same as you: doctors wouldn´t help and exterminators had too little knowledge. At last we found one exterminator that knew a little bit more and who didn´t just spray pyrethrin, but also used an IGR. THat helped a lot more and also DE put at all floor boards and cracks. The moving made the big difference for us. No more bites, but still infections as leftovers from the mites.

Birdmites die in over 70 degrees C after a while. (research found on that)

Good luck with your fight.

KRCecilia

From: jdavid7476 <jdavid7476@...>bird mites Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:12 AMSubject: spending christmas alone - trying to find hope

Hi all.Sorry for the long post.Well I just told my family that I can not join them for Christmas. The first time ever. What is worse is that I did not have the nerve to tell them why. I think it would either freak them out or they would minimize it. I can not handle either scenario. The last thing I want to do is infect them. I am so very alone.I am paralyzed with exhaustion, both mentally and physically, and find my self wondering why me hour after hour. I know so many on here are dealing with this, but I never do get over the feeling of being alone with this nightmare. And winter involves so many clothes!!!All through the day, I come up with hundreds of questions and I find these forums are the only outlet for communication. The fact that doctors and exterminators are so inept is so disheartening. This is the 21st Century. I never thought i would experience something that all the "professionals" would be ignorant

of. The exterminators tell me to go to doctors and the doctors tell me to go to exterminators.What is even more mentally exhausting is that I want to make a complete change, but I feel I have to 1. move from my apt 2. get them off my body 3. quit my job ( I am so scared that they may be there as well, and I would just transfer them to my new place). Doing all these three things needs to be timed and so financially dangerous. I am going to end with some probably silly questions, but I was hoping others had heard about these obvious questions.1. How do they respond in sea water? I was thinking of taking a trip to Florida and practically stay in the ocean all day. I know they like humidity, but do they stay on you in the ocean? In other words, do they like the beach?2. Can you kill these things by going to Saunas and hot tubs?3. I can't get these things off my face. I wear bathing cap at night with medicated menthol

powder inside, goggles, and ear plugs. I wash with Denorex and Selsun Blue as well. I thought it was helping, but it seems a new batch just started again. 4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have finished spraying Nylar and will be putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth as well. Question is: do you continue vacuuming afterwards? Are you supposed to vacuum and put down Pyr/D Earth each day? Anyone know.Thank you anyone who reads this long post and offers their answers/insight. I, like so many on here, am going through a hard time with this and feeling so alone.Thanks again.!jdavid

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So the epsoms is simple.  I just grabbed a few handfuls and scrubbed my body down in the shower head/hair to toe.  Multiple times.  especially in the itchy, stinging, biting places.  I scrubbed it in my hair multiple times and didn't fully wash out after showering. 

once dry I used baking soda on my body head to toe.  Took handfuls and wiped a thin layer all over and poured a ton in my hair and rubbed on my scalp.  They mostly didn't bother my hair after doing this for a few.days.  Also I put a thin layer of baking soda in my bed at night.

I also had those weird track marks on the inside of my left wrist.  Bird mites were confirmed for us.  My derm seems to think all mites burrow in humans though...

Finally, a LLMD is a lyme doc, but they can help you diagnose other things such as fungus, co-infections, etc...

On Dec 22, 2011 6:01 AM, " Cecilia Borg " <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:

 

Hi, J !I feel for you and your situation. Do you live alone?

Me and my family experienced the same as you: doctors wouldn´t help and exterminators had too little knowledge. At last we found one exterminator that knew a little bit more and who didn´t just spray pyrethrin, but also used an IGR. THat helped a lot more and also DE put at all floor boards and cracks. The moving made the big difference for us. No more bites, but still infections as leftovers from the mites.

Birdmites die in over 70 degrees C after a while. (research found on that)

Good luck with your fight.

KRCecilia

From: jdavid7476 <jdavid7476@...>

bird mites Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:12 AM

Subject: spending christmas alone - trying to find hope Hi all.Sorry for the long post.Well I just told my family that I can not join them for Christ...

[Guest guest]

Hi jdavid. Sorry you are going through this. Last Christmas was a miserable one

for me but i'm looking forward to this one. I still have a few crawlies but

nothing like last year. I had what you described along with them in my ears,

crawling around my eyeballs, in my throat, and under my skin. So please know

that if you follow the suggestions here and keep up with it, things will also

get better for you.

I preferred taking sea salt baths over epsom salts when i had the flat red bumps

or red streaks. I ran the salts under a little water and exfoliated with it.

When i felt a lot of crawlies/biting/stinging, i took an Arm & Hammer, peroxide,

Dawn bath, which is very soothing. I still take one once a week. Another

favorite is having a sulfur soap bath. Stay away from all fragrances.

I had a lot on my face and hairline. When that happened i knew i had to spray my

ceilings because they were dropping from there. I also used a pad soaked with

peroxide or witch hazel and i could see the fibers/hairs on the pad. That gave

me temporary relief. I exfoliate my face every night with Aveeno daily

exfoliating and follow with sulfur soap which is suggested on the bar for acne.

My face isn't bothered anymore and my skin is clear.

No one who has been to my home has gotten it but i can understand your fear

about spreading them.

Dee

> From: jdavid7476 <jdavid7476@...>

> Subject: spending christmas alone - trying to find hope

> bird mites

> Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 9:12 PM

> Hi all.

>

> Sorry for the long post.

>

> Well I just told my family that I can not join them for

> Christmas. The first time ever. What is worse is that I did

> not have the nerve to tell them why.  I think it would

> either freak them out or they would minimize it.  I can

> not handle either scenario.  The last thing I want to

> do is infect them.  I am so very alone.

>

> I am paralyzed with exhaustion, both mentally and

> physically, and find my self wondering why me hour after

> hour.  I know so many on here are dealing with this,

> but I never do get over the feeling of being alone with this

> nightmare.  And winter involves so many clothes!!!

>

> All through the day, I come up with hundreds of questions

> and I find these forums are the only outlet for

> communication. The fact that doctors and exterminators are

> so inept is so disheartening. This is the 21st Century. I

> never thought i would experience something that all the

> " professionals " would be ignorant of. The exterminators tell

> me to go to doctors and the doctors tell me to go to

> exterminators.

>

> What is even more mentally exhausting is that I want to

> make a complete change, but I feel I have to 1. move from my

> apt 2. get them off my body  3. quit my job ( I am so

> scared that they may be there as well, and I would just

> transfer them to my new place).  Doing all these three

> things needs to be timed and so financially dangerous.

>

> I am going to end with some probably silly questions, but I

> was hoping others had heard about these obvious questions.

>

> 1. How do they respond in sea water? I was thinking of

> taking a trip to Florida and practically stay in the ocean

> all day.  I know they like humidity, but do they stay

> on you in the ocean?  In other words, do they like the

> beach?

>

> 2. Can you kill these things by going to Saunas and hot

> tubs?

>

> 3. I can't get these things off my face. I wear bathing cap

> at night with medicated menthol powder inside, goggles, and

> ear plugs. I wash with Denorex and Selsun Blue as well. I

> thought it was helping, but it seems a new batch just

> started again.

>

> 4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have finished

> spraying Nylar and will be putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth

> as well.  Question is: do you continue vacuuming

> afterwards?  Are you supposed to vacuum and put down

> Pyr/D Earth each day?  Anyone know.

>

> Thank you anyone who reads this long post and offers their

> answers/insight. I, like so many on here, am going through a

> hard time with this and feeling so alone.

>

> Thanks again.!

> jdavid

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Eating some raw garlic helps too.  One garlic will last for about 2 weeks.  Just try to eat some every day.  I forgot to eat it yesterday and can really tell the difference -- but it is usually more than 1 thing that brings them back.  I got upset with my mother b/c she is very insensitive and tries to get me to eat sugar, and junk like she does...Maybe it is better for you not to see your family b/c if they are like mine they have no clue as what to do.  If I mention " bugs, " my mother says " you have got to get that out of your head, " so I just do whatever I need to do and keep it to myself.  I do hope your family will be understanding but most folks say they were not and it is true for me too.  Merry Christmas anyway.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:43 AM, Aandraya <aandraya@...> wrote:

 

The losing weight especially makes me think chronic infections, crawling sensations...  Do you see anything floating in your environment?  Antifungals like sporonax and Vfend are very good, both Rx.  You can try herbal antiungals too like high dose allicin, it was not enough for me.  Watch for changes in your health and skin symptoms.  I had the red lines you are talking about.  Consider seeing a llmd- What state do you live in?  It's not just an external issue.  I know it seems like it is, I lost months trying to treat externally.  What do the red dots look like?  Flat? Blister like? Bumps? Open sores?

AandrayaOn Dec 21, 2011, at 9:14 PM, jdavid7476 <jdavid7476@...> wrote:

 

Hi Aandraya,

I am currently experiencing the following:

1. bites. Some bites are pin-prick bits - a simple red dot. Others look like small clusters of bits. Others are just red rashes.

2. mysterious appearance of red track marks in a line. I don't think these are bites, and appear usually in shower. I haven't seen these in a couple weeks.

3. I have never seen or experienced movement under my skin, or bugs coming out of my skin.

4. I have no fungus or black dots that I have seen.

5. I feel the bugs moving, especially on my face. Feel the spider web feeling too.

6. i have never seen or have been able to capture one. I thought I had one, but the exterminator could not id it. I think they lost it. They later admitted that they were not experts in mites.

7. My health was good prior to this, now i am a wreck. I have lost 15 pounds. This all started when i started getting bit once in awhile and I thought I had bed bugs. But when I couldn't trap any, and they started living ON me, I figured they were probably mites.

I am not sure if this matches what you have seen. When you say anti-fungals, are you talking about simple over the counter products?

Thank you for any info.

Jdavid

>

> > Hi all.

> >

> > Sorry for the long post.

> >

> > Well I just told my family that I can not join them for Christmas.

> > The first time ever. What is worse is that I did not have the nerve

> > to tell them why. I think it would either freak them out or they

> > would minimize it. I can not handle either scenario. The last thing

> > I want to do is infect them. I am so very alone.

> >

> > I am paralyzed with exhaustion, both mentally and physically, and

> > find my self wondering why me hour after hour. I know so many on

> > here are dealing with this, but I never do get over the feeling of

> > being alone with this nightmare. And winter involves so many

> > clothes!!!

> >

> > All through the day, I come up with hundreds of questions and I find

> > these forums are the only outlet for communication. The fact that

> > doctors and exterminators are so inept is so disheartening. This is

> > the 21st Century. I never thought i would experience something that

> > all the " professionals " would be ignorant of. The exterminators tell

> > me to go to doctors and the doctors tell me to go to exterminators.

> >

> > What is even more mentally exhausting is that I want to make a

> > complete change, but I feel I have to 1. move from my apt 2. get

> > them off my body 3. quit my job ( I am so scared that they may be

> > there as well, and I would just transfer them to my new place).

> > Doing all these three things needs to be timed and so financially

> > dangerous.

> >

> > I am going to end with some probably silly questions, but I was

> > hoping others had heard about these obvious questions.

> >

> > 1. How do they respond in sea water? I was thinking of taking a trip

> > to Florida and practically stay in the ocean all day. I know they

> > like humidity, but do they stay on you in the ocean? In other words,

> > do they like the beach?

> >

> > 2. Can you kill these things by going to Saunas and hot tubs?

> >

> > 3. I can't get these things off my face. I wear bathing cap at night

> > with medicated menthol powder inside, goggles, and ear plugs. I wash

> > with Denorex and Selsun Blue as well. I thought it was helping, but

> > it seems a new batch just started again.

> >

> > 4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have finished spraying Nylar

> > and will be putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth as well. Question is:

> > do you continue vacuuming afterwards? Are you supposed to vacuum and

> > put down Pyr/D Earth each day? Anyone know.

> >

> > Thank you anyone who reads this long post and offers their answers/

> > insight. I, like so many on here, am going through a hard time with

> > this and feeling so alone.

> >

> > Thanks again.!

> > jdavid

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

  On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:30 PM, <terelynjon@...> wrote: 

Eating some raw garlic helps too.  One garlic will last for about 2 weeks.  Just try to eat some every day.  I forgot to eat it yesterday and can really tell the difference -- but it is usually more than 1 thing that brings them back.  I got upset with my mother b/c she is very insensitive and tries to get me to eat sugar, and junk like she does...Maybe it is better for you not to see your family b/c if they are like mine they have no clue as what to do.  If I mention " bugs, " my mother says " you have got to get that out of your head, " so I just do whatever I need to do and keep it to myself.  I do hope your family will be understanding but most folks say they were not and it is true for me too.  Merry Christmas anyway.

  On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:43 AM, Aandraya <aandraya@...> wrote: 

 

The losing weight especially makes me think chronic infections, crawling sensations...  Do you see anything floating in your environment?  Antifungals like sporonax and Vfend are very good, both Rx.  You can try herbal antiungals too like high dose allicin, it was not enough for me.  Watch for changes in your health and skin symptoms.  I had the red lines you are talking about.  Consider seeing a llmd- What state do you live in?  It's not just an external issue.  I know it seems like it is, I lost months trying to treat externally.  What do the red dots look like?  Flat? Blister like? Bumps? Open sores?

 Aandraya   On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:14 PM, jdavid7476 <jdavid7476@...> wrote:

  

 

Hi Aandraya,

 

I am currently experiencing the following:

 

1. bites. Some bites are pin-prick bits - a simple red dot. Others look like small clusters of bits. Others are just red rashes.

 

2. mysterious appearance of red track marks in a line. I don't think these are bites, and appear usually in shower. I haven't seen these in a couple weeks.

 

3. I have never seen or experienced movement under my skin, or bugs coming out of my skin.

 

4. I have no fungus or black dots that I have seen.

 

5. I feel the bugs moving, especially on my face. Feel the spider web feeling too.

 

6. i have never seen or have been able to capture one. I thought I had one, but the exterminator could not id it. I think they lost it. They later admitted that they were not experts in mites.

 

7. My health was good prior to this, now i am a wreck. I have lost 15 pounds. This all started when i started getting bit once in awhile and I thought I had bed bugs. But when I couldn't trap any, and they started living ON me, I figured they were probably mites.

 

I am not sure if this matches what you have seen. When you say anti-fungals, are you talking about simple over the counter products?

 

Thank you for any info.

Jdavid

 

>

> > Hi all.

> >

> > Sorry for the long post.

> >

> > Well I just told my family that I can not join them for Christmas.

> > The first time ever. What is worse is that I did not have the nerve

> > to tell them why. I think it would either freak them out or they

> > would minimize it. I can not handle either scenario. The last thing

> > I want to do is infect them. I am so very alone.

> >

> > I am paralyzed with exhaustion, both mentally and physically, and

> > find my self wondering why me hour after hour. I know so many on

> > here are dealing with this, but I never do get over the feeling of

> > being alone with this nightmare. And winter involves so many

> > clothes!!!

> >

> > All through the day, I come up with hundreds of questions and I find

> > these forums are the only outlet for communication. The fact that

> > doctors and exterminators are so inept is so disheartening. This is

> > the 21st Century. I never thought i would experience something that

> > all the " professionals " would be ignorant of. The exterminators tell

> > me to go to doctors and the doctors tell me to go to exterminators.

> >

> > What is even more mentally exhausting is that I want to make a

> > complete change, but I feel I have to 1. move from my apt 2. get

> > them off my body 3. quit my job ( I am so scared that they may be

> > there as well, and I would just transfer them to my new place).

> > Doing all these three things needs to be timed and so financially

> > dangerous.

> >

> > I am going to end with some probably silly questions, but I was

> > hoping others had heard about these obvious questions.

> >

> > 1. How do they respond in sea water? I was thinking of taking a trip

> > to Florida and practically stay in the ocean all day. I know they

> > like humidity, but do they stay on you in the ocean? In other words,

> > do they like the beach?

> >

> > 2. Can you kill these things by going to Saunas and hot tubs?

> >

> > 3. I can't get these things off my face. I wear bathing cap at night

> > with medicated menthol powder inside, goggles, and ear plugs. I wash

> > with Denorex and Selsun Blue as well. I thought it was helping, but

> > it seems a new batch just started again.

> >

> > 4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have finished spraying Nylar

> > and will be putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth as well. Question is:

> > do you continue vacuuming afterwards? Are you supposed to vacuum and

> > put down Pyr/D Earth each day? Anyone know.

> >

> > Thank you anyone who reads this long post and offers their answers/

> > insight. I, like so many on here, am going through a hard time with

> > this and feeling so alone.

> >

> > Thanks again.!

> > jdavid

> >

> >

>

 

 

  

[Guest guest]

Some ideas came from birdmites.org... some from our own ingenuity and desperation. It is interesting that we came up with similar solutions! My poor hubby with those damn baseboards and stuffing all that putty-type stuff under the drywall behind the baseboards. It took him forever to do crouched down on the floor. The whole house is done that way now and he did a great job on the baseboards. I think Marie did as much as we did to her house.From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:29:04 PMSubject: Re: Re: spending christmas alone - trying to find hope

Wow, , we did a lot of the same procedures. I didn't know anyone with this problem, had to figure it out myself. Wish I had known all the steps you took.AandrayaOn Dec 23, 2011, at 10:12 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

Hi jdavid,I'll give you my 2 cents worth on that. First off, do you have carpets? It is much harder to get rid of any of this with carpeting and pets. Mites hide in carpets and it is hard to get down to where they are mostly likely hiding. For most people it is best to move and to get rid of anything in the apartment that could be hiding the mites. This may be a "no duh" for you, so I apologize in advance there. All the things recommended by Cecilia are great. We used Windex since it has ammonia D in it which does kill them. We sprayed everything multiple times, including ceilings, all walls, floors until soping wet. Got rid of throw rugs and carpeting completely, but we owned house. We actually put in a new flooring downstairs where the whole mess started. We lived with cement floors for a year and I continued to mop and spray the floor. We plugged all holes connecting drywall and replaced baseboards (my husband did it -- lucky him). We used a type of putty material that insects and spiders cannot penetrate behind baseboards. We sprayed and sprayed and kept on vacuuming, changing vacuum bags frequently and left vacuum outside, covered the hose nozzle with duct tape when not in use, vacuumed up DE so that the whole inner vacuum had DE inside of it with the dust. Went through several vacuums. I used the sticky tape too, including the sticky tape on a long handle (from Walmart) and did surfaces with that too. I also sprayed our air bed every night with grain alcohol and vinegar and cleaned it off with a disposable mop. We slept on the air bed for a year. Sheets were changed nightly and I ironed (steam pressed) sheets and blankets (one blanket is all we used). My face like so many here was the focus of my concern since the mites went into my eyes, nose and my husband's ears. Not to mention camping out in my hair. I used Vick's vaporub on the face, earplugs in my ears. I wore plastic bags over my feet covered with duct tape and wore disposable gloves taped to my clothing. Anything to keep these damn bugger off me. I also took sleep meds and antidepressants to sleep. We did not move and couldn't move. If you feel it would be wise to move, I'd do so. This is so super costly for all of us. I'm sure we lost $40,000 in the process since we threw out much new furniture, paid for pest management, had to remove rugs that were new and carpets, replaced downstairs flooring, remove asbestos below vinyl, and the list went on and on. It probably cost us closer to $60,000... have nothing left but our house now, but the best part is that our house is now free from those devils and we're still here paying our huge mortgage but making it.I used a steam press on all clothing which is similar but smaller to the type used in dry cleaners. Killed mites in all seams. Changed most clothing to cheap disposable shoes and clothing and bought new frequently. Used the oven on items that I could heat up to 150 degrees and keep (like kids toys and some pillows). Used plastic covers on pillows and slept without pillow cases. Used towels from Walmart that I sewed together to make a larger towel (microfiber). Mites don't like those and I don't think mites like polyester or nylon either. You can buy sleepware made of sateen material and sheets too which has a tighter weave and when it is dried in the dryer it gets very very hot. Mites don't penetrate that material. So many ideas we all have and have shared here. We all care a lot about each other here. It is a wonderful group, so at least you have what some of us did not have at the beginning, a support group. Just keep sharing. You are about at the same stage as - a horrific stage - most of us felt absolutely hopeless and terrified and most of us felt suicidal too - most of us are much much much better now. It has been several years for us and you can get rid of them, but it takes a lot of effort and courage. Lots of risk taking and sacrificing too. Best wishes and may 2012 be a much better year for you.We did go to a Lyme Literate MD and that was a God send for us. She put us on antibiotics and started treating us for Lyme, Bartonella and Babesia. We treated actively for a year and would be better, then go downhill again after getting off meds. I realized about 6 months ago that we needed to get back in treatment so I did. I believe that the mites brought me Bartonella. I had pre-existing Lyme Disease. For me the meds were absolutely essential. If you get rid of the mites and your energy comes back, and you no longer feel sick you probably did not get Lyme or coinfections. Some of the mites do carry some strange stuff, and others didn't get any of this... Doris did not.From: "jdavid7476" <jdavid7476@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 4:06:23 PMSubject: Re: spending christmas alone - trying to find hopeHi Cecilia,Yes. Unfortunately I do live alone. It is very difficult not having someone to share this burden with on a daily basis. I am mentally exhausted. Thank you for the information. I have recently sprayed Nylar, and just put down DE and Pyrethrin. I am hoping this has some results. I don't know how long I should wait though - maybe a month? I am so freaked out that I am thinking just leaving this apartment is the best solution. Getting out of this environment I think is the safest bet. Of course, my lease just started, and I will either lose alot of money or destroy my credit rating. I can't get a sample so legally I think I am in a dead end?!! Maybe the forum has opinions on this? Thank you all for your info and prayers. >> Hi, J !> I feel for you and your situation. Do you live alone?> Me and my family experienced the same as you: doctors wouldn´t help and exterminators had too little knowledge. At last we found one exterminator that knew a little bit more and who didn´t just spray pyrethrin, but also used an IGR. THat helped a lot more and also DE put at all floor boards and cracks. The moving made the big difference for us. No more bites, but still infections as leftovers from the mites.> Birdmites die in over 70 degrees C after a while. (research found on that)> Good luck with your fight.> KR> Cecilia> > > ________________________________> From: jdavid7476 <jdavid7476@...>> bird mites > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:12 AM> Subject: spending christmas alone - trying to find hope> > >  > Hi all.> > Sorry for the long post.> > Well I just told my family that I can not join them for Christmas. The first time ever. What is worse is that I did not have the nerve to tell them why. I think it would either freak them out or they would minimize it. I can not handle either scenario. The last thing I want to do is infect them. I am so very alone.> > I am paralyzed with exhaustion, both mentally and physically, and find my self wondering why me hour after hour. I know so many on here are dealing with this, but I never do get over the feeling of being alone with this nightmare. And winter involves so many clothes!!!> > All through the day, I come up with hundreds of questions and I find these forums are the only outlet for communication. The fact that doctors and exterminators are so inept is so disheartening. This is the 21st Century. I never thought i would experience something that all the "professionals" would be ignorant of. The exterminators tell me to go to doctors and the doctors tell me to go to exterminators.> > What is even more mentally exhausting is that I want to make a complete change, but I feel I have to 1. move from my apt 2. get them off my body 3. quit my job ( I am so scared that they may be there as well, and I would just transfer them to my new place). Doing all these three things needs to be timed and so financially dangerous. > > I am going to end with some probably silly questions, but I was hoping others had heard about these obvious questions.> > 1. How do they respond in sea water? I was thinking of taking a trip to Florida and practically stay in the ocean all day. I know they like humidity, but do they stay on you in the ocean? In other words, do they like the beach?> > 2. Can you kill these things by going to Saunas and hot tubs?> > 3. I can't get these things off my face. I wear bathing cap at night with medicated menthol powder inside, goggles, and ear plugs. I wash with Denorex and Selsun Blue as well. I thought it was helping, but it seems a new batch just started again. > > 4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have finished spraying Nylar and will be putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth as well. Question is: do you continue vacuuming afterwards? Are you supposed to vacuum and put down Pyr/D Earth each day? Anyone know.> > Thank you anyone who reads this long post and offers their answers/insight. I, like so many on here, am going through a hard time with this and feeling so alone.> > Thanks again.!> jdavid>------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi, J david!|You have done a lot! Great! We treated the environment every 3 weeks 4 times with the IGR, Pyrethrins (first on ly pyrethrins and that doesnt´s help), DE. It took 3 times until we noticed a difference. It became much better (together with vacuuming every day, laudrying everything with borax and ammonia every day and steam pressing everything everyday) but when moving we became free from the mites (but have infections left that are strange and come and go)Keep treating your environment every 3 weeks.I think Aandraya; sarah, LInda have a lot of good advice and also treating internally. We don´t have any in Sweden, but if

you have maby go see a LLD doctor, to check if you have any of those problems/infections that often go togehter with the mites.Take care!KR Cecilia From: jdavid7476 <jdavid7476@...> bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 1:06 AM Subject: Re: spending christmas alone - trying to find hope

Hi Cecilia,

Yes. Unfortunately I do live alone. It is very difficult not having someone to share this burden with on a daily basis. I am mentally exhausted.

Thank you for the information. I have recently sprayed Nylar, and just put down DE and Pyrethrin. I am hoping this has some results. I don't know how long I should wait though - maybe a month?

I am so freaked out that I am thinking just leaving this apartment is the best solution. Getting out of this environment I think is the safest bet. Of course, my lease just started, and I will either lose alot of money or destroy my credit rating. I can't get a sample so legally I think I am in a dead end?!! Maybe the forum has opinions on this?

Thank you all for your info and prayers.

>

> Hi, J !

> I feel for you and your situation. Do you live alone?

> Me and my family experienced the same as you: doctors wouldn´t help and exterminators had too little knowledge. At last we found one exterminator that knew a little bit more and who didn´t just spray pyrethrin, but also used an IGR. THat helped a lot more and also DE put at all floor boards and cracks. The moving made the big difference for us. No more bites, but still infections as leftovers from the mites.

> Birdmites die in over 70 degrees C after a while. (research found on that)

> Good luck with your fight.

> KR

> Cecilia

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: jdavid7476 <jdavid7476@...>

> bird mites

> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:12 AM

> Subject: spending christmas alone - trying to find hope

>

>

> Â

> Hi all.

>

> Sorry for the long post.

>

> Well I just told my family that I can not join them for Christmas. The first time ever. What is worse is that I did not have the nerve to tell them why. I think it would either freak them out or they would minimize it. I can not handle either scenario. The last thing I want to do is infect them. I am so very alone.

>

> I am paralyzed with exhaustion, both mentally and physically, and find my self wondering why me hour after hour. I know so many on here are dealing with this, but I never do get over the feeling of being alone with this nightmare. And winter involves so many clothes!!!

>

> All through the day, I come up with hundreds of questions and I find these forums are the only outlet for communication. The fact that doctors and exterminators are so inept is so disheartening. This is the 21st Century. I never thought i would experience something that all the "professionals" would be ignorant of. The exterminators tell me to go to doctors and the doctors tell me to go to exterminators.

>

> What is even more mentally exhausting is that I want to make a complete change, but I feel I have to 1. move from my apt 2. get them off my body 3. quit my job ( I am so scared that they may be there as well, and I would just transfer them to my new place). Doing all these three things needs to be timed and so financially dangerous.

>

> I am going to end with some probably silly questions, but I was hoping others had heard about these obvious questions.

>

> 1. How do they respond in sea water? I was thinking of taking a trip to Florida and practically stay in the ocean all day. I know they like humidity, but do they stay on you in the ocean? In other words, do they like the beach?

>

> 2. Can you kill these things by going to Saunas and hot tubs?

>

> 3. I can't get these things off my face. I wear bathing cap at night with medicated menthol powder inside, goggles, and ear plugs. I wash with Denorex and Selsun Blue as well. I thought it was helping, but it seems a new batch just started again.

>

> 4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have finished spraying Nylar and will be putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth as well. Question is: do you continue vacuuming afterwards? Are you supposed to vacuum and put down Pyr/D Earth each day? Anyone know.

>

> Thank you anyone who reads this long post and offers their answers/insight. I, like so many on here, am going through a hard time with this and feeling so alone.

>

> Thanks again.!

> jdavid

>

[Guest guest]

I can totally sympathize. Thanks to a divorce, I moved out of the infested home

and it became my ex's residence. Who has no idea of what's going on, as the

mites hate him. (And so do a lot of humans - LOL!)

What I did: the first move helped a lot. And I did bring my possessions with

me, including my clothes. The ones that used to itch, don't any more. But I

have moved twice since then, to come back to my home state from the West Coast.

Hot tubs, saunas do help, too. Salt water, like the ocean or just Epsom salts

in a warm to hot bath. Have not tried DE, borax or other things all over the

house. Because I left.

Another thing: Ivermectin from a feed store or online. The liquid animal kind.

One cc per hundred pounds of your weight. Every day, then taper back to 3 x a

week. I did it with no side effects and it was very helpful.

If you have pets, use Revolution, which is Selamectin, very similar to

ivermectin.

I was so tired at first, and that was before the divorce. Back to normal now,

as far as the mites affecting my energy level. Weight loss will make you tired,

too, if you lose too much weight, which I did. From 140 lbs. to 110 to 102.

Now back to normal weight.

Hope this helps!

Jan

>

> Hi all.

>

> Sorry for the long post.

>

> Well I just told my family that I can not join them for Christmas. The first

time ever. What is worse is that I did not have the nerve to tell them why. I

think it would either freak them out or they would minimize it. I can not

handle either scenario. The last thing I want to do is infect them. I am so

very alone.

>

> I am paralyzed with exhaustion, both mentally and physically, and find my self

wondering why me hour after hour. I know so many on here are dealing with this,

but I never do get over the feeling of being alone with this nightmare. And

winter involves so many clothes!!!

>

> All through the day, I come up with hundreds of questions and I find these

forums are the only outlet for communication. The fact that doctors and

exterminators are so inept is so disheartening. This is the 21st Century. I

never thought i would experience something that all the " professionals " would be

ignorant of. The exterminators tell me to go to doctors and the doctors tell me

to go to exterminators.

>

> What is even more mentally exhausting is that I want to make a complete

change, but I feel I have to 1. move from my apt 2. get them off my body 3.

quit my job ( I am so scared that they may be there as well, and I would just

transfer them to my new place). Doing all these three things needs to be timed

and so financially dangerous.

>

> I am going to end with some probably silly questions, but I was hoping others

had heard about these obvious questions.

>

> 1. How do they respond in sea water? I was thinking of taking a trip to

Florida and practically stay in the ocean all day. I know they like humidity,

but do they stay on you in the ocean? In other words, do they like the beach?

>

> 2. Can you kill these things by going to Saunas and hot tubs?

>

> 3. I can't get these things off my face. I wear bathing cap at night with

medicated menthol powder inside, goggles, and ear plugs. I wash with Denorex and

Selsun Blue as well. I thought it was helping, but it seems a new batch just

started again.

>

> 4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have finished spraying Nylar and will

be putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth as well. Question is: do you continue

vacuuming afterwards? Are you supposed to vacuum and put down Pyr/D Earth each

day? Anyone know.

>

> Thank you anyone who reads this long post and offers their answers/insight. I,

like so many on here, am going through a hard time with this and feeling so

alone.

>

> Thanks again.!

> jdavid

>

[Guest guest]

One more thing: I was a hermit for awhile and then noticed that no one I knew

was bothered. So I quit worrying. I know of no one that has caught this from

me. I had sex with my then-husband and he was fine, too.

My relative recently died of CJ Disease (mad cow in humans). I visited him and

he showed no signs of this. He died peacefully in his sleep soon after I moved

back to my home state, where he lives. Autopsy was done - it's CJ disease, not

me.

You will be depressed if you stay house-bound. Try getting out more and you may

be surprised that nothing happens to anyone as a result.

You can't kick this in a state of depression.

>

> Hi all.

>

> Sorry for the long post.

>

> Well I just told my family that I can not join them for Christmas. The first

time ever. What is worse is that I did not have the nerve to tell them why. I

think it would either freak them out or they would minimize it. I can not

handle either scenario. The last thing I want to do is infect them. I am so

very alone.

>

> I am paralyzed with exhaustion, both mentally and physically, and find my self

wondering why me hour after hour. I know so many on here are dealing with this,

but I never do get over the feeling of being alone with this nightmare. And

winter involves so many clothes!!!

>

> All through the day, I come up with hundreds of questions and I find these

forums are the only outlet for communication. The fact that doctors and

exterminators are so inept is so disheartening. This is the 21st Century. I

never thought i would experience something that all the " professionals " would be

ignorant of. The exterminators tell me to go to doctors and the doctors tell me

to go to exterminators.

>

> What is even more mentally exhausting is that I want to make a complete

change, but I feel I have to 1. move from my apt 2. get them off my body 3.

quit my job ( I am so scared that they may be there as well, and I would just

transfer them to my new place). Doing all these three things needs to be timed

and so financially dangerous.

>

> I am going to end with some probably silly questions, but I was hoping others

had heard about these obvious questions.

>

> 1. How do they respond in sea water? I was thinking of taking a trip to

Florida and practically stay in the ocean all day. I know they like humidity,

but do they stay on you in the ocean? In other words, do they like the beach?

>

> 2. Can you kill these things by going to Saunas and hot tubs?

>

> 3. I can't get these things off my face. I wear bathing cap at night with

medicated menthol powder inside, goggles, and ear plugs. I wash with Denorex and

Selsun Blue as well. I thought it was helping, but it seems a new batch just

started again.

>

> 4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have finished spraying Nylar and will

be putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth as well. Question is: do you continue

vacuuming afterwards? Are you supposed to vacuum and put down Pyr/D Earth each

day? Anyone know.

>

> Thank you anyone who reads this long post and offers their answers/insight. I,

like so many on here, am going through a hard time with this and feeling so

alone.

>

> Thanks again.!

> jdavid

>

[Guest guest]

And I just spent Christmas with a bunch of my cousins. No problem. And I do

not have any visible symptoms at this point. But leaving your home and getting

fresh air is a great remedy.

My cousins are just fine - no signs of this.

>

> Hi all.

>

> Sorry for the long post.

>

> Well I just told my family that I can not join them for Christmas. The first

time ever. What is worse is that I did not have the nerve to tell them why. I

think it would either freak them out or they would minimize it. I can not

handle either scenario. The last thing I want to do is infect them. I am so

very alone.

>

> I am paralyzed with exhaustion, both mentally and physically, and find my self

wondering why me hour after hour. I know so many on here are dealing with this,

but I never do get over the feeling of being alone with this nightmare. And

winter involves so many clothes!!!

>

> All through the day, I come up with hundreds of questions and I find these

forums are the only outlet for communication. The fact that doctors and

exterminators are so inept is so disheartening. This is the 21st Century. I

never thought i would experience something that all the " professionals " would be

ignorant of. The exterminators tell me to go to doctors and the doctors tell me

to go to exterminators.

>

> What is even more mentally exhausting is that I want to make a complete

change, but I feel I have to 1. move from my apt 2. get them off my body 3.

quit my job ( I am so scared that they may be there as well, and I would just

transfer them to my new place). Doing all these three things needs to be timed

and so financially dangerous.

>

> I am going to end with some probably silly questions, but I was hoping others

had heard about these obvious questions.

>

> 1. How do they respond in sea water? I was thinking of taking a trip to

Florida and practically stay in the ocean all day. I know they like humidity,

but do they stay on you in the ocean? In other words, do they like the beach?

>

> 2. Can you kill these things by going to Saunas and hot tubs?

>

> 3. I can't get these things off my face. I wear bathing cap at night with

medicated menthol powder inside, goggles, and ear plugs. I wash with Denorex and

Selsun Blue as well. I thought it was helping, but it seems a new batch just

started again.

>

> 4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have finished spraying Nylar and will

be putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth as well. Question is: do you continue

vacuuming afterwards? Are you supposed to vacuum and put down Pyr/D Earth each

day? Anyone know.

>

> Thank you anyone who reads this long post and offers their answers/insight. I,

like so many on here, am going through a hard time with this and feeling so

alone.

>

> Thanks again.!

> jdavid

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan!|Glad to have you and your experiences around!Cecilia From: jan.morin28 <no_reply > bird mites Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 8:11 AM Subject: Re: spending christmas alone - trying to find hope

One more thing: I was a hermit for awhile and then noticed that no one I knew was bothered. So I quit worrying. I know of no one that has caught this from me. I had sex with my then-husband and he was fine, too.

My relative recently died of CJ Disease (mad cow in humans). I visited him and he showed no signs of this. He died peacefully in his sleep soon after I moved back to my home state, where he lives. Autopsy was done - it's CJ disease, not me.

You will be depressed if you stay house-bound. Try getting out more and you may be surprised that nothing happens to anyone as a result.

You can't kick this in a state of depression.

>

> Hi all.

>

> Sorry for the long post.

>

> Well I just told my family that I can not join them for Christmas. The first time ever. What is worse is that I did not have the nerve to tell them why. I think it would either freak them out or they would minimize it. I can not handle either scenario. The last thing I want to do is infect them. I am so very alone.

>

> I am paralyzed with exhaustion, both mentally and physically, and find my self wondering why me hour after hour. I know so many on here are dealing with this, but I never do get over the feeling of being alone with this nightmare. And winter involves so many clothes!!!

>

> All through the day, I come up with hundreds of questions and I find these forums are the only outlet for communication. The fact that doctors and exterminators are so inept is so disheartening. This is the 21st Century. I never thought i would experience something that all the "professionals" would be ignorant of. The exterminators tell me to go to doctors and the doctors tell me to go to exterminators.

>

> What is even more mentally exhausting is that I want to make a complete change, but I feel I have to 1. move from my apt 2. get them off my body 3. quit my job ( I am so scared that they may be there as well, and I would just transfer them to my new place). Doing all these three things needs to be timed and so financially dangerous.

>

> I am going to end with some probably silly questions, but I was hoping others had heard about these obvious questions.

>

> 1. How do they respond in sea water? I was thinking of taking a trip to Florida and practically stay in the ocean all day. I know they like humidity, but do they stay on you in the ocean? In other words, do they like the beach?

>

> 2. Can you kill these things by going to Saunas and hot tubs?

>

> 3. I can't get these things off my face. I wear bathing cap at night with medicated menthol powder inside, goggles, and ear plugs. I wash with Denorex and Selsun Blue as well. I thought it was helping, but it seems a new batch just started again.

>

> 4. I just started the Shani protocol. I have finished spraying Nylar and will be putting down pyrethrin/Diat Earth as well. Question is: do you continue vacuuming afterwards? Are you supposed to vacuum and put down Pyr/D Earth each day? Anyone know.

>

> Thank you anyone who reads this long post and offers their answers/insight. I, like so many on here, am going through a hard time with this and feeling so alone.

>

> Thanks again.!

> jdavid

>