Re: Offshore Qualifications

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony, I heard the very same rumour back in 1998 when I first started

working offshore as a gangway controller, only to be told by the on

board

medic that the company he worked for prefered ex military because they

and more importantly their partners were used to them being away for

long periods of time with little or no contact.

As far as I am aware it is only Diving vessels in the Norwegian sector

that HAVE to have nurses on board.

good luck

Norman

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[Guest guest]

Hi Norman, strange enough I am an ex military medic working in Norway on a dive

boat, You are right though under Norwegian rules you do have to have a Norwegian

Nurse on board so the other medic is used for admin duties. When I spoke to this

guy he was convinced this is the case regarding RGN's. None of the course

providers seem to think so, and I haven't heard anything backing this up.

Cheers

Tony

Norman Pettinger <normanpettinger@...> wrote:

Hi Tony, I heard the very same rumour back in 1998 when I first started

working offshore as a gangway controller, only to be told by the on

board

medic that the company he worked for prefered ex military because they

and more importantly their partners were used to them being away for

long periods of time with little or no contact.

As far as I am aware it is only Diving vessels in the Norwegian sector

that HAVE to have nurses on board.

good luck

Norman

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Norman Pettinger

normanpettinger@...

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[Guest guest]

It was something that was bantered around some years ago and I personally do not

know what the current situation is but there are specific HSE Guidelines that

lay down the required qualifications and being a nurse is one recomendation as

are other pre requisits.

Contact Interdive Services ++44 (0)1752 558080 they will tell you what is

required.

Regards

Rod Urwin RGN, etc.

ANTHONY BROWN <anthony.brown25@...> wrote:

I had a chat with a friend who is due to leave the forces in the next few

months, he had toyed with the idea with working offshore as a medic, he was put

off because he was told that in the near future to work offshore you have to be

a qualified nurse. does anybody know if there is any truth in this rumour?

Tony

[Guest guest]

Why shouldn't a physiotherapist do an offshore course, theirs is a 3 yr (at

least) degree in anatomy and physiology. They have a sound base in human

systems, and they will undoutably have a lot more patient contact than a lot of

people doing the ticket. Applying it and tuning it is the easy part.

Regards

Waqar <wrash@...> wrote:

I would not bother in contacting Interdive, as good as their course may

be.

They don't exactly play by the rules as I have come across a Paramedic

and a Physiotherapist (yes that's correct a Physio) offshore in the UK

sector who both had trained at Interdive. The Medic with a Paramedic

cert was not even UK trained, elsewhere in Europe. That Paramedic

working offshore could only be described as a liability, al lot of this

was do with the way he had been taught and anything else which was

required of him to do medically, he simply replied 'it's illegal to do

this offshore'. I'm only highlighting this particular case and in no way

tarnishing any others working Paramedics.

I do believe Interdive had their wrists slapped by the HSE about a year

ago for deviating from the recommended guidelines, obviously not hard

enough.

Waqar.

[Guest guest]

Have to agree

Or is this another sad case of us vs them...............if your not a

british train state registored or whatever paramedic you not qualified? I

will and would put my intial US paramedic course (taken 15 years ago)

against the current NHS course any day of the week.

I have done my British offshore medic course and interdive and just did a

renewal and have NO complaints. If you mean not following the rules to

taking each student on the merits of thier training and experience I hope

Interdive contiunes to not follow the rules!

Cheers

Tom G

>From: OLM FCP <fcp_olm_405b@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Offshore Qualifications

>Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:47:52 +0000 (GMT)

>

>

>Why shouldn't a physiotherapist do an offshore course, theirs is a 3 yr (at

>least) degree in anatomy and physiology. They have a sound base in human

>systems, and they will undoutably have a lot more patient contact than a

>lot of people doing the ticket. Applying it and tuning it is the easy

>part.

>

>Regards

>

>Waqar <wrash@...> wrote:

>

>I would not bother in contacting Interdive, as good as their course may

>be.

>

>They don't exactly play by the rules as I have come across a Paramedic

>and a Physiotherapist (yes that's correct a Physio) offshore in the UK

>sector who both had trained at Interdive. The Medic with a Paramedic

>cert was not even UK trained, elsewhere in Europe. That Paramedic

>working offshore could only be described as a liability, al lot of this

>was do with the way he had been taught and anything else which was

>required of him to do medically, he simply replied 'it's illegal to do

>this offshore'. I'm only highlighting this particular case and in no way

>tarnishing any others working Paramedics.

>

>I do believe Interdive had their wrists slapped by the HSE about a year

>ago for deviating from the recommended guidelines, obviously not hard

>enough.

>

>Waqar.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I tend to agree with Tom here, but hope not to

create a precedent

I have done under and post grad psychology and

mental health studies and have caught stuff the

on-site medic would have missed. My last patient

encounter was an attempted suicide and the twin

paramedic crew (one an officer) missed the mental

health stuff altogether and couldn't work out how

to apply the burn dressing to a less than 1% full

thickness burn on the abdomen.

Andre makes a very good point that other medical

professions have a solid foundation in the

clinical sciences which can be adapted well into

another arena.

Let's not close the door on people because they

don't have the right ticket, be a bit more open

minded.

Ross

>

>

> Have to agree

> Or is this another sad case of us vs

> them...............if your not a

> british train state registored or

> whatever paramedic you not qualified? I

> will and would put my intial US

> paramedic course (taken 15 years ago)

> against the current NHS course any day

> of the week.

> I have done my British offshore medic

> course and interdive and just did a

> renewal and have NO complaints. If you

> mean not following the rules to

> taking each student on the merits of

> thier training and experience I hope

> Interdive contiunes to not follow the rules!

>

> Cheers

>

> Tom G

>

[Guest guest]

Ross, Tom the point to concider is the use of medication, the UK

offshore medic cirt covers only the UK offshore not the international

world most of us work in, this cirt provids for the use under medical

direction a limited list of medication.

In the UK as well as other areas of the world it is ultamatly up to

the medical director the gives you your dispensing ability.

The paramedic under direction provides for a greater list of

medications to be used in this practice, the use of thrombilitic

agents for paramedics in remote sites is covered ect.ect.

The ex mil. medics on the list are eligble to grandfather a paramedic

cirtification through the HPC if thay meet the min. quals. in thier

mil. training with the addition of ALS, PHTLS, EPALS. See hpc web site

This provision expires july 05

Regards

Mike

> I tend to agree with Tom here, but hope not to

> create a precedent

>

> I have done under and post grad psychology and

> mental health studies and have caught stuff the

> on-site medic would have missed. My last patient

> encounter was an attempted suicide and the twin

> paramedic crew (one an officer) missed the mental

> health stuff altogether and couldn't work out how

> to apply the burn dressing to a less than 1% full

> thickness burn on the abdomen.

>

> Andre makes a very good point that other medical

> professions have a solid foundation in the

> clinical sciences which can be adapted well into

> another arena.

>

> Let's not close the door on people because they

> don't have the right ticket, be a bit more open

> minded.

>

> Ross

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Have to agree

> > Or is this another sad case of us vs

> > them...............if your not a

> > british train state registored or

> > whatever paramedic you not qualified? I

> > will and would put my intial US

> > paramedic course (taken 15 years ago)

> > against the current NHS course any day

> > of the week.

> > I have done my British offshore medic

> > course and interdive and just did a

> > renewal and have NO complaints. If you

> > mean not following the rules to

> > taking each student on the merits of

> > thier training and experience I hope

> > Interdive contiunes to not follow the rules!

> >

> > Cheers

> >

> > Tom G

> >

[Guest guest]

Given that 90% of my patients seem to complain of sore backs, knees, arms,

shoulders etc etc, I would say a physio is one of the MORE qualified people

to work in the remote environment!

I don't know if the individual mentioned is the same physio who went through

the class with me at Interdive, but iirc in that instance, he immediately

set out to upgrade his emergency skills through ACLS and working with his

local emergency service.

Jim

RE: Offshore Qualifications

I tend to agree with Tom here, but hope not to

create a precedent

I have done under and post grad psychology and

mental health studies and have caught stuff the

on-site medic would have missed. My last patient

encounter was an attempted suicide and the twin

paramedic crew (one an officer) missed the mental

health stuff altogether and couldn't work out how

to apply the burn dressing to a less than 1% full

thickness burn on the abdomen.

Andre makes a very good point that other medical

professions have a solid foundation in the

clinical sciences which can be adapted well into

another arena.

Let's not close the door on people because they

don't have the right ticket, be a bit more open

minded.

Ross

>

>

> Have to agree

> Or is this another sad case of us vs

> them...............if your not a

> british train state registored or

> whatever paramedic you not qualified? I

> will and would put my intial US

> paramedic course (taken 15 years ago)

> against the current NHS course any day

> of the week.

> I have done my British offshore medic

> course and interdive and just did a

> renewal and have NO complaints. If you

> mean not following the rules to

> taking each student on the merits of

> thier training and experience I hope

> Interdive contiunes to not follow the rules!

>

> Cheers

>

> Tom G

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Guys & Girls,

With regards to Inter-Dive, I think they are a first rate training

establishment. The core instructor Clifton is absolutely first rate, he has

a wealth of experience and is a sort after teacher in many environments.

Inter-Dive as a company has been contracted for many years to teach the Royal

Navy Divers for there DMT ticket and is used worldwide by major international

companies for the same. If these companies and certainly the Royal Navy weren't

satisfied with the level of training given I believe they would bust very

quickly.

Personally I have had training with Iner-Dive since 1990, as a POMA in the RN

and more recently as an Offshore Medic. Every person I have spoken to about the

company has nothing but good to say. Yes they are very flexible with the so

called 'tickets'. But believe they will fail people as 1 was failed on course in

Oct 04.

Regards

Chas Sutherland

Dawdy <jdawdy@...> wrote:

Given that 90% of my patients seem to complain of sore backs, knees, arms,

shoulders etc etc, I would say a physio is one of the MORE qualified people

to work in the remote environment!

I don't know if the individual mentioned is the same physio who went through

the class with me at Interdive, but iirc in that instance, he immediately

set out to upgrade his emergency skills through ACLS and working with his

local emergency service.

Jim

RE: Offshore Qualifications

I tend to agree with Tom here, but hope not to

create a precedent

I have done under and post grad psychology and

mental health studies and have caught stuff the

on-site medic would have missed. My last patient

encounter was an attempted suicide and the twin

paramedic crew (one an officer) missed the mental

health stuff altogether and couldn't work out how

to apply the burn dressing to a less than 1% full

thickness burn on the abdomen.

Andre makes a very good point that other medical

professions have a solid foundation in the

clinical sciences which can be adapted well into

another arena.

Let's not close the door on people because they

don't have the right ticket, be a bit more open

minded.

Ross

>

>

> Have to agree

> Or is this another sad case of us vs

> them...............if your not a

> british train state registored or

> whatever paramedic you not qualified? I

> will and would put my intial US

> paramedic course (taken 15 years ago)

> against the current NHS course any day

> of the week.

> I have done my British offshore medic

> course and interdive and just did a

> renewal and have NO complaints. If you

> mean not following the rules to

> taking each student on the merits of

> thier training and experience I hope

> Interdive contiunes to not follow the rules!

>

> Cheers

>

> Tom G

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Just out of curiosity, how much trauma care, advanced resuscitation,

diagnostics and basic prescribing training does a physiotherapist

fit in his three years? The debate about suitability of offshore

medics is constantly coming up. The answer is simple - Managing an

unstable myocardial infarction at 2am on a foggy night offshore

ain't the time to apply and tune!

Interestingly, I know a few offshore Medics who fancy themselves as

physiotherapists. Its a topsy turvy world!

Stay safe!

Buck

Ninian Central Platform

>

> I would not bother in contacting Interdive, as good as their

course may

> be.

>

> They don't exactly play by the rules as I have come across a

Paramedic

> and a Physiotherapist (yes that's correct a Physio) offshore in

the UK

> sector who both had trained at Interdive. The Medic with a

Paramedic

> cert was not even UK trained, elsewhere in Europe. That Paramedic

> working offshore could only be described as a liability, al lot of

this

> was do with the way he had been taught and anything else which was

> required of him to do medically, he simply replied 'it's illegal

to do

> this offshore'. I'm only highlighting this particular case and in

no way

> tarnishing any others working Paramedics.

>

> I do believe Interdive had their wrists slapped by the HSE about a

year

> ago for deviating from the recommended guidelines, obviously not

hard

> enough.

>

> Waqar.

>

>

>

>