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Hey Janet.

All you have to do is have your meat processed at a Federal inspected

plant.

For some odd reason if your a federal plant you can print refrigerate at

all time on the label and you don't have to use the nitrates.

Federal Plants also let you sell to stores in other states where state

inspected plants are only good for the states you are in.

Their is one I think in Cannon Falls and one up in Finlayson mn.

With alittle work I can get you the phone number of the one up in Mn.

tim

" Janet S. Brunner " wrote:

> Hello Folks,

> We sell a lot of our pork and beef here on the farm, by the package,

> organic of course. A lot of our customers have been asking us

> recently if we could supply beef hot dogs, bologna and hams without

> the nitrates and sugars commonly used during processing and smoking.

>

> We've asked our local butcher shop if we could have these items made

> without the additives and their reply was that we could not if we

> intended to sell them in our retail store.

>

> Is there any way around this? Most of these additives are not allowed

> in organics, yet we must have them in our meats to sell them in our

> store? Something isn't right about that.

>

> Any comments or suggestions?

> Wayne and Janet Brunner

>

>

>

>

>

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There is brand of processed pork products that is called Beeler's. We can

get them here in Ca in major health food stores. They do not contain

nitrates or any of that stuff. Maybe you could contact them and see how

they do it. They are in Iowa. Their website is

http://www.beelersnaturallypurepork.com/

hope that helps.

By the way where are you?

Irene

At 01:54 PM 4/8/03, you wrote:

>Hello Folks,

>We sell a lot of our pork and beef here on the farm, by the package,

>organic of course. A lot of our customers have been asking us recently if

>we could supply beef hot dogs, bologna and hams without the nitrates and

>sugars commonly used during processing and smoking.

>

>We've asked our local butcher shop if we could have these items made

>without the additives and their reply was that we could not if we intended

>to sell them in our retail store.

>

>Is there any way around this? Most of these additives are not allowed in

>organics, yet we must have them in our meats to sell them in our

>store? Something isn't right about that.

>

>Any comments or suggestions?

>Wayne and Janet Brunner

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Janet,

Could this work? You sell the meat to the person wanting the product nitrate

and sugar free. They go to the butcher shop and tell them how and what they

want done. Its then a custom order for private use. Not the profit of a value

added product but you' ll be making larger sales because they'll be buying to

make a quality product they'll use more. Butcher shop could decide they don't

want to do things differently too. Possibly if people got together for batches

it would be worth it.

Recipes, best I've found are in Better Than Store Bought an out of print book

uses for his homemade sausages. I have an extra copy I'd be willing to

sell.

Wanita

At 03:54 PM 4/8/03 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello Folks,

>We sell a lot of our pork and beef here on the farm, by the package, organic

of course.  A lot of our customers have been asking us recently if we could

supply beef hot dogs, bologna and hams without the nitrates and sugars

commonly

used during processing and smoking.

>

>We've asked our local butcher shop if we could have these items made without

the additives and their reply was that we could not if we intended to sell

them

in our retail store.

>

>Is there any way around this?  Most of these additives are not allowed in

organics, yet we must have them in our meats to sell them in our store? 

Something isn't right about that.

>

>Any comments or suggestions?

>Wayne and Janet Brunner

>

>

>

>

>

>

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--- Wayne and Janet: Are you selling certified organic meats? If so

who certifies it? Dennis

In , " Janet S. Brunner "

<wajabrun@n...> wrote:

> Hello Folks,

> We sell a lot of our pork and beef here on the farm, by the

package, organic of course. > Any comments or suggestions?

> Wayne and Janet Brunner

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Oh my gosh!! I didn't know! Thanks for the info!

At 06:11 PM 4/8/03, you wrote:

>contacted them...

>

>they " tecnically " don't add nitrates directly...but they do add vegetable

>products that naturally have nitrates and in that way get around it.

>

>Without nitrates the shelf life is minimum, and the taste is more like

>porkroast than commerical ham.

>

>

>

> Re: Processing Meats

>

>

> > There is brand of processed pork products that is called Beeler's. We can

> > get them here in Ca in major health food stores. They do not contain

> > nitrates or any of that stuff. Maybe you could contact them and see how

> > they do it. They are in Iowa. Their website is

> >

>

<http://www.beelersnaturallypurepork.com/>http://www.beelersnaturallypurepork.co\

m/

> > hope that helps.

> > By the way where are you?

> > Irene

> >

> >

> >

> > At 01:54 PM 4/8/03, you wrote:

> > >Hello Folks,

> > >We sell a lot of our pork and beef here on the farm, by the package,

> > >organic of course. A lot of our customers have been asking us recently

>if

> > >we could supply beef hot dogs, bologna and hams without the nitrates and

> > >sugars commonly used during processing and smoking.

> > >

> > >We've asked our local butcher shop if we could have these items made

> > >without the additives and their reply was that we could not if we

>intended

> > >to sell them in our retail store.

> > >

> > >Is there any way around this? Most of these additives are not allowed in

> > >organics, yet we must have them in our meats to sell them in our

> > >store? Something isn't right about that.

> > >

> > >Any comments or suggestions?

> > >Wayne and Janet Brunner

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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>they " tecnically " don't add nitrates directly...but they do add vegetable

>products that naturally have nitrates and in that way get around it.

>

>Without nitrates the shelf life is minimum, and the taste is more like

>porkroast than commerical ham.

I've brined chicken in a salt/sugar bath for a long time and it

sure tasted like ham! I think the " real " hams (before everyone

discovered nitrates) used lots of salt and/or sugar. One problem

is that people want to cut down on salt, which creates the

spoilage problem. I don't think the " original " hams had much

of a spoilage problem -- they got mold on the outside, like

salami, but my Mom said they kept them hanging out in shed

for the year and sliced off pieces as needed.

They are selling " nitrate free " bacon around here now, but

it's a hard sell because it is brown, not pink. I'm not sure I

understand why -- whenever I brine and smoke something -- anything --

it comes out pink.

But everyone is really paranoid. The place that processes my meat

makes sausage, and it is really good sausage, raw, not meant

to be kept for any length of time. But they will not make it without

nitrates. They are very much afraid of lawsuits. I guess sausage,

kept poorly refrigerated and then poorly cooked, can get botulism

toxin? Or e coli? I wonder what would happen if you mixed

kraut and ground meat in a sausage -- then you'd get the nitrates

from the cabbage plus the acid and lacto stuff, which I'd think

would be protective (might be tasty too).

Heidi S

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contacted them...

they " tecnically " don't add nitrates directly...but they do add vegetable

products that naturally have nitrates and in that way get around it.

Without nitrates the shelf life is minimum, and the taste is more like

porkroast than commerical ham.

Re: Processing Meats

> There is brand of processed pork products that is called Beeler's. We can

> get them here in Ca in major health food stores. They do not contain

> nitrates or any of that stuff. Maybe you could contact them and see how

> they do it. They are in Iowa. Their website is

> http://www.beelersnaturallypurepork.com/

> hope that helps.

> By the way where are you?

> Irene

>

>

>

> At 01:54 PM 4/8/03, you wrote:

> >Hello Folks,

> >We sell a lot of our pork and beef here on the farm, by the package,

> >organic of course. A lot of our customers have been asking us recently

if

> >we could supply beef hot dogs, bologna and hams without the nitrates and

> >sugars commonly used during processing and smoking.

> >

> >We've asked our local butcher shop if we could have these items made

> >without the additives and their reply was that we could not if we

intended

> >to sell them in our retail store.

> >

> >Is there any way around this? Most of these additives are not allowed in

> >organics, yet we must have them in our meats to sell them in our

> >store? Something isn't right about that.

> >

> >Any comments or suggestions?

> >Wayne and Janet Brunner

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Heidi-

>I'm not sure I

>understand why -- whenever I brine and smoke something -- anything --

>it comes out pink.

Does it come out pink only with salt, when you use no sugar?

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Heidi,

> I've brined chicken in a salt/sugar bath for a long time and it

> sure tasted like ham! I think the " real " hams (before everyone

> discovered nitrates) used lots of salt and/or sugar.

I do my best to avoid all sugar. Is there any reason other than

taste that you'd add sugar to a brining solution?

Do you avoid sugar, but don't see a problem using it in the brine?

TIA,

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> >I'm not sure I

> >understand why -- whenever I brine and smoke something -- anything --

> >it comes out pink.

>

>Does it come out pink only with salt, when you use no sugar?

Good question. I'm not sure. When I use *just* salt I don't use

as much nor do I brine for as long (it gets really salty!). The " ham "

flavor is usually about half and half, plus a bit of smoke.

>

Heidi S

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