Re: report on WAPF conference 2003

May 6, 2003

Uffe rocks. What is left to say? :-P

Yes we had fun, Suze, but you forgot to mention the doctor's urine

therapy!!! ;-P

Yes, the food was unbelievable, never been fed like that before imo.

Salatin's chicken's the best I've ever had too.

I went to lobby by Senator's on banning use of infant soy formula in

the WIC program w/o a doctor's prescription, encouraging farm-to-

school programs and the expansion of the Fruit and Vegetable Pilot

Program to include animal foods, the replacement of soda and junk in

vending machines with bottled waters, milks, etc, and a repeal of the

ban on the ban of irradiated foods in school lunches. We also talked

a bit about the Foundation, our personal experiences with recovering

our health, our conference, etc.

I had a lot of fun. Bill Sanda said our appointments with the

Senators' aides would be half hour max, possibly as little as a half

hour. At my first appt, she came early, and we met for 45 minutes

total. Bill Sanda and another woman Pam had sort of crashed in on

the appt and went to the next one with me too. That one lasted a

full hour! Bill said that was the first time an appt ever went an

hour. Bill was very helpful and let us do most of the talking. The

staff we talked to were very helpful, my first appt she was very

positive and seemed personally interested; Kennedy's staff was

somewhat pessimistic, or realistic if you will, but open and gave us

good feedback.

On another note, I thought of this back when we were talking about

the board members' sample diets, but I'm reminded again now: I think

it was Suze who had mentioned that Sally's diet was through and

through traditional in each of the three days in that article, and

when I'd read that I just thought of how Sally is the best-looking

nutritional author I've seen (women 60% her age don't count ;-) ). I

mean in terms of smooth skin, vitality, etc. But she also just seems

radiant, especially in person. She is always smiling and sort of

glows

Ok, so I'm all psyched now too. I'll get off my butt and start a

local chapter now.

It was great to meet people in person too. Maybe again next year

Chris

> Hi all,

>

> (i apologize for the duplicate email for those of you who are on

more than

> one of these lists.)

>

> what a great experience! i had such a wonderful time at the

conference, i'm

> already looking forward to next year :-) i didn't take any notes,

but i

> wanted to share a few highlights from the conference to the best of

my

> recollection. Of course the theme was " Beyond the Lipid Hypothesis:

Exposing

> the Fallacy that Cholesterol and Saturated Fat Cause Heart

Disease " - which

> the data simply don't support. Some of the presenters offered

alternative

> causes of heart disease, which I'll summarize below.

>

> Uffe Ravnskov:

> (as an aside, i was working as a volunteer at the conference and

sat.

> morning i worked the registration desk. I registered Ravnskov, and

when he

> approached the table I thanked him for his book (The Cholesterol

Myths) and

> happily told him that I'm a " cholesterol junky " . LOL! he asked

what " junky "

> means and i told him it means i love cholesterol and eat lots of

it, or

> something to that effect. he said then i'll probably like his

speech, which

> i did :-)

>

> Ravnskov presented a fascinating theory that cholesterol is a

powerful

> anti-infection nutrient. He presented compelling data from numerous

studies

> showing a strong correlation between cholesterol consumption and

resistance

> to various infectious diseases. I don't think he presented the

biochemistry

> of *how* it does this, but i would love to know that, and hope he

might

> publish some of this info on his website (if he hasn't already). It

made me

> think of the anti bacterial/viral/parasitic properties of lauric

acid, and

> lends urther evidence that cholesterol and saturated fat are vital

nutrients

> for a number of reasons, including disease-resistance. No wonder the

> isolated traditional/primitive groups that Weston Price studied

were so

> vibrantly healthy, with their emphasis on animal fats.

>

> Rosch:

>

> He presented some data demonstrating a correlation between stress

and heart

> disease, then discussed the dangers of statins and other

> cholesterol-lowering drugs, with supporting data.

>

> Kilmer McCully:

>

> He discussed the correlation between elevated homocysteine levels

and heart

> disease. He presented a lot of biochemical information that was

difficult to

> follow, imo. I was told that invitations to the conference were

sent out to

> a number of cardiologists, so i think some of the presentations may

have

> been directed toward that audience, at least in part. It seemed

like there

> were a lot of doctors there, although i don't know if any were

> cardiologists, specifically.

>

> Enig:

>

> She talked about a correlation between transfats and heart disease.

>

> Tom Cowan:

>

> Presented Rudolph Steiner's alternative and somewhat philosophical

> perspective on the role of the heart and the capillaries in moving

the

> blood.

>

> Those were the presenters on Sat. On sunday, we had a choice

between 4

> different speakers during each tract. I went to presentations by

Ross

> (author of " The Mood Cure " and " the Diet Cure " , who discussed

nutritional

> therapy for depression and anxiety, and other mental health issues.

I recall

> she emphasized that we (modern americans) generally lack important

amino

> acids in the diet (especially tryptophan) that normally work in the

brain to

> keep ups happy, with a sense of well being.

>

> Next I went to Donna Gates' lecture. she wrote " Body Ecology " and

she talked

> about maintaining a healthy gut ecosystem. apparently she's working

with

> quite a few autistic children, and she emphasized that we should be

eating

> liberal amounts of lacto-fermented foods, and she emphasizes eating

> coconuts, and fermented coconut milk in her protocol.

>

> In the last tract, i went to Ron Schmid's lecture on the inverse

> relationship between raw milk consumption and heart disease. He

discussed

> the historical consumption of raw (grass-fed) milk in various

cultures and

> how in the US, pasteurization came about. Apparently, i think

around the

> turn of the century (don't remember the exact time), dairy cows in

urban

> areas went from being pasture-fed to being fed distillery waste,

which of

> course resulted in unhealthy cows and consequently unhealthy milk.

i think

> he said some folks got sick from this product, and it was decided to

> pasteurize the milk to make it " safe. " He talked about healthy

traditional

> foods in general, as well, and emphasized the health benefits of

raw animal

> foods.

>

> (If I'm remembering anything incorrectly, someone please jump in

and correct

> me.)

>

> I worked the WAPF booth during the breaks so got to meet a lot of

different

> people. I was impressed with how many health care professionals

where there

> from RDs to psychologists to surgeons. My friend and i met the

neatest

> couple, originally from the Philippines - he's a surgeon and treats

his

> patients with nutritional therapy as well, using a modified Atkins

diet, and

> using some elements of mercola's no-grain diet. he also uses EFT. He

> lectures to other health care professionals regularly and is

interested in

> starting a WAPF chapter in his area, as well as in the ines.

He was

> also soooo funny...at sat. dinner he was cracking us all up. His

wife is a

> psychiatrist, and she was a lot of fun too. Masterjohn was

also at our

> table - didn't we have fun, chris? :-)

>

> I had the great pleasure of meeting some of the folks from native-

nutrition

> and beyondprice, as well as a number of other chapter leaders, and

Sally of

> course. What an incredible group of people...i wish the conference

weren't

> so brief. There was also some great food, not the least of which

was the

> authentic Ethiopian dinner some of us went to sunday night. Also, on

> saturday, an Amish farm had a booth next to ours and they had all

kinds of

> great, cholesterol-rich, yummy food. they were selling tubs of

lard, cream,

> deep yellow butter, kefir, eggs, sausages and other nourishing

traditional

> foods. There were also raw cheeses to sample, sauerkraut and other

great

> stuff. The food was so incredible, that the hotel chef wanted to

know where

> he could get this stuff for his kitchen!

>

> Whatever the theme is next year...I'm already looking forward to

it :-)

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

> mailto:s.fisher22@v...

May 6, 2003

I should add that since my appt at Kennedy's office was at 4pm, I

didn't get home last night until a little after 2am, which is why I'm

not in class right now

Chris

> > Hi all,

> >

> > (i apologize for the duplicate email for those of you who are on

> more than

> > one of these lists.)

> >

> > what a great experience! i had such a wonderful time at the

> conference, i'm

> > already looking forward to next year :-) i didn't take any notes,

> but i

> > wanted to share a few highlights from the conference to the best

of

> my

> > recollection. Of course the theme was " Beyond the Lipid

Hypothesis:

> Exposing

> > the Fallacy that Cholesterol and Saturated Fat Cause Heart

> Disease " - which

> > the data simply don't support. Some of the presenters offered

> alternative

> > causes of heart disease, which I'll summarize below.

> >

> > Uffe Ravnskov:

> > (as an aside, i was working as a volunteer at the conference and

> sat.

> > morning i worked the registration desk. I registered Ravnskov,

and

> when he

> > approached the table I thanked him for his book (The Cholesterol

> Myths) and

> > happily told him that I'm a " cholesterol junky " . LOL! he asked

> what " junky "

> > means and i told him it means i love cholesterol and eat lots of

> it, or

> > something to that effect. he said then i'll probably like his

> speech, which

> > i did :-)

> >

> > Ravnskov presented a fascinating theory that cholesterol is a

> powerful

> > anti-infection nutrient. He presented compelling data from

numerous

> studies

> > showing a strong correlation between cholesterol consumption and

> resistance

> > to various infectious diseases. I don't think he presented the

> biochemistry

> > of *how* it does this, but i would love to know that, and hope he

> might

> > publish some of this info on his website (if he hasn't already).

It

> made me

> > think of the anti bacterial/viral/parasitic properties of lauric

> acid, and

> > lends urther evidence that cholesterol and saturated fat are

vital

> nutrients

> > for a number of reasons, including disease-resistance. No wonder

the

> > isolated traditional/primitive groups that Weston Price studied

> were so

> > vibrantly healthy, with their emphasis on animal fats.

> >

> > Rosch:

> >

> > He presented some data demonstrating a correlation between stress

> and heart

> > disease, then discussed the dangers of statins and other

> > cholesterol-lowering drugs, with supporting data.

> >

> > Kilmer McCully:

> >

> > He discussed the correlation between elevated homocysteine levels

> and heart

> > disease. He presented a lot of biochemical information that was

> difficult to

> > follow, imo. I was told that invitations to the conference were

> sent out to

> > a number of cardiologists, so i think some of the presentations

may

> have

> > been directed toward that audience, at least in part. It seemed

> like there

> > were a lot of doctors there, although i don't know if any were

> > cardiologists, specifically.

> >

> > Enig:

> >

> > She talked about a correlation between transfats and heart

disease.

> >

> > Tom Cowan:

> >

> > Presented Rudolph Steiner's alternative and somewhat philosophical

> > perspective on the role of the heart and the capillaries in

moving

> the

> > blood.

> >

> > Those were the presenters on Sat. On sunday, we had a choice

> between 4

> > different speakers during each tract. I went to presentations by

> Ross

> > (author of " The Mood Cure " and " the Diet Cure " , who discussed

> nutritional

> > therapy for depression and anxiety, and other mental health

issues.

> I recall

> > she emphasized that we (modern americans) generally lack

important

> amino

> > acids in the diet (especially tryptophan) that normally work in

the

> brain to

> > keep ups happy, with a sense of well being.

> >

> > Next I went to Donna Gates' lecture. she wrote " Body Ecology " and

> she talked

> > about maintaining a healthy gut ecosystem. apparently she's

working

> with

> > quite a few autistic children, and she emphasized that we should

be

> eating

> > liberal amounts of lacto-fermented foods, and she emphasizes

eating

> > coconuts, and fermented coconut milk in her protocol.

> >

> > In the last tract, i went to Ron Schmid's lecture on the inverse

> > relationship between raw milk consumption and heart disease. He

> discussed

> > the historical consumption of raw (grass-fed) milk in various

> cultures and

> > how in the US, pasteurization came about. Apparently, i think

> around the

> > turn of the century (don't remember the exact time), dairy cows

in

> urban

> > areas went from being pasture-fed to being fed distillery waste,

> which of

> > course resulted in unhealthy cows and consequently unhealthy

milk.

> i think

> > he said some folks got sick from this product, and it was decided

to

> > pasteurize the milk to make it " safe. " He talked about healthy

> traditional

> > foods in general, as well, and emphasized the health benefits of

> raw animal

> > foods.

> >

> > (If I'm remembering anything incorrectly, someone please jump in

> and correct

> > me.)

> >

> > I worked the WAPF booth during the breaks so got to meet a lot of

> different

> > people. I was impressed with how many health care professionals

> where there

> > from RDs to psychologists to surgeons. My friend and i met the

> neatest

> > couple, originally from the Philippines - he's a surgeon and

treats

> his

> > patients with nutritional therapy as well, using a modified

Atkins

> diet, and

> > using some elements of mercola's no-grain diet. he also uses EFT.

He

> > lectures to other health care professionals regularly and is

> interested in

> > starting a WAPF chapter in his area, as well as in the

ines.

> He was

> > also soooo funny...at sat. dinner he was cracking us all up. His

> wife is a

> > psychiatrist, and she was a lot of fun too. Masterjohn was

> also at our

> > table - didn't we have fun, chris? :-)

> >

> > I had the great pleasure of meeting some of the folks from native-

> nutrition

> > and beyondprice, as well as a number of other chapter leaders,

and

> Sally of

> > course. What an incredible group of people...i wish the

conference

> weren't

> > so brief. There was also some great food, not the least of which

> was the

> > authentic Ethiopian dinner some of us went to sunday night. Also,

on

> > saturday, an Amish farm had a booth next to ours and they had all

> kinds of

> > great, cholesterol-rich, yummy food. they were selling tubs of

> lard, cream,

> > deep yellow butter, kefir, eggs, sausages and other nourishing

> traditional

> > foods. There were also raw cheeses to sample, sauerkraut and

other

> great

> > stuff. The food was so incredible, that the hotel chef wanted to

> know where

> > he could get this stuff for his kitchen!

> >

> > Whatever the theme is next year...I'm already looking forward to

> it :-)

> >

> > Suze Fisher

> > Lapdog Design, Inc.

> > Web Design & Development

> > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

> > mailto:s.fisher22@v...

May 6, 2003

I don't have much to add since Suze and did a good job

summarizing the conference. Plus I was only able to attend on

Saturday.

But I wanted to heartily agree with several of their points:

1. It was a wonderful time and I'm looking forward to it next year.

I think a lot of us working on this way of eating are rather isolated

as friends or family don't share the vision. It was great to be with

so many people excited about this! Suze, do you know how many were

there? I'm not good w/numbers, but I thought it had to be over 300.

I'm local, so didn't have to travel, but I was impressed with how far

some were willing to travel for this. Australia and Russia were 2

places.

2. The food was incredible!! Doesn't the food just speak for itself

that this is good and right?! One thing I'd never seen was raw cream

from Jersey cows that was so thick it couldn't be poured. I bought a

pint and after being in the fridge, it's like medium-soft ice cream

or butter! And it's yellow, too! The fermented ginger ale was great!

3. Sally radiates health!

Suze and it was great to meet you! I only wish I could have

spent more time with you. It's fun to be able to see your faces when

I read your posts now. The conference took a lot out of me and

I've been pretty much sofa-ridden since then. It's going to take a

while for me to recover.

Suze, do you pronounce your name with one syllable (suz) or 2 (suz-

e)? I heard Sally call you Suz. Sorry for calling your Suz-e if

that's not right.

May 6, 2003

Nah, ate the rest for breakfast. It just keeps you going all day

(night/morning)!!!

:-P

> >>>>I should add that since my appt at Kennedy's office was at 4pm,

I

> didn't get home last night until a little after 2am, which is why

I'm

> not in class right now

>

> ----->hope you still had some raw heart left in your cooler to get

you

> through the long, late drive! <g>

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

> mailto:s.fisher22@v...

May 6, 2003

Speaking of laughing I've been doing it straight for the last few

posts for some reason...

I remember the time someone called Suze " Suzie " on the list once and

her response was something like

>Suzie,

--------> Suzie??? That's not *my* name!

Or something like that.

Anyway it's funny that you say that Suze, about laughing, etc,

because Pam thought we were too serious lol... (Hi Pam, if yer

lurking).

I wish you a speedy recovery. It was great to see you and

hopefully next time we'll have more time to hang out and chat and

whatnot.

Chapter leader list? Where's that?

There is a chapter in my area code, but I've never even heard of the

town and can't find it on the map, so it can't be too close. NOFA

invited Sally to speak in Amherst in August at Hampshire College. I

wonder if some of those folks would want to start a chapter. The

nearest ones are up north near New Hampshire.

Chris

>

> >>>>> Suze, do you know how many were

> there? I'm not good w/numbers, but I thought it had to be over 300.

>

> ----->i believe Sally told us that 350 had pre-registered. I worked

> registration on sat. and noticed that there was also a considerable

number

> of folks in the *non* pre-registered line, as well.

>

> >>>>I'm local, so didn't have to travel, but I was impressed with

how far

> some were willing to travel for this. Australia and Russia were 2

> places.

>

> ---->yes, we had chapter leaders come from both of those places!

>

> >>>>>Suze and it was great to meet you! I only wish I could

have

> spent more time with you. It's fun to be able to see your faces

when

> I read your posts now. The conference took a lot out of me and

> I've been pretty much sofa-ridden since then. It's going to take a

> while for me to recover.

>

> ---->i wish you a speedy recovery :-) Thanks for taking the trouble

to bring

> your Masai gourd - it was really neat to see and touch it!

>

> >>>>>Suze, do you pronounce your name with one syllable (suz) or 2

(suz-

> e)? I heard Sally call you Suz. Sorry for calling your Suz-e if

> that's not right.

>

> ----->LOL! i'm used to it, about 50% of the time people mis-

pronounce my

> name as " Suz-ee " . The correct pronunciation is " Sooz " rhymes

with " snooze,

> schmooz, cruise " , etc. Thanks for asking :-) and hope to see you

next year!

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

> mailto:s.fisher22@v...

May 6, 2003

It's at the beginning of my roll. I'll try to use it up soon somehow

and post it when I get it developed. I think Ken's camera looked

digital, maybe he'll have it first. Too bad there were a couple

people there from here that didn't make it to dinner.

I will never forget the lamb stew

Chris

> HI everyone,

>

> Thanks for all the summaries! I sure as heck didn't get to see many

> talks as I was pretty busy at our booth - am going to get the

tapes. I

> talked to the volunteer coordinator who said that attendance was

over

> 450! That continues the trend of doubling every year! Sally's

seminar

> on Monday was packed.

>

> It was great to meet so many people on this list - wonderful to make

> virtual community more tangible! Thanks for stopping by and

introducing

> yourself. You certainly are a radiant bunch!

>

> Ken or - do you have that picture of our Ethiopian dinner

troupe

> to post?

>

> Anyone else still dreaming of that lamb stew we had on Saturday

night??

>

> Cheers,

>

> RE: Re: report on WAPF conference 2003

>

> >>>>> Suze, do you know how many were

> there? I'm not good w/numbers, but I thought it had to be over 300.

>

> ----->i believe Sally told us that 350 had pre-registered. I worked

> registration on sat. and noticed that there was also a considerable

> number

> of folks in the *non* pre-registered line, as well.

>

> >>>>I'm local, so didn't have to travel, but I was impressed with

how

> far

> some were willing to travel for this. Australia and Russia were 2

> places.

>

> ---->yes, we had chapter leaders come from both of those places!

>

> >>>>>Suze and it was great to meet you! I only wish I could

have

> spent more time with you. It's fun to be able to see your faces

when

> I read your posts now. The conference took a lot out of me and

> I've been pretty much sofa-ridden since then. It's going to take a

> while for me to recover.

>

> ---->i wish you a speedy recovery :-) Thanks for taking the trouble

to

> bring

> your Masai gourd - it was really neat to see and touch it!

>

> >>>>>Suze, do you pronounce your name with one syllable (suz) or 2

(suz-

> e)? I heard Sally call you Suz. Sorry for calling your Suz-e if

> that's not right.

>

> ----->LOL! i'm used to it, about 50% of the time people mis-

pronounce my

> name as " Suz-ee " . The correct pronunciation is " Sooz " rhymes with

> " snooze,

> schmooz, cruise " , etc. Thanks for asking :-) and hope to see you

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

> mailto:s.fisher22@v...

>

May 6, 2003

> There is a chapter in my area code, but I've never even heard of

the

> town and can't find it on the map, so it can't be too close. NOFA

> invited Sally to speak in Amherst in August at Hampshire College.

I

> wonder if some of those folks would want to start a chapter. The

> nearest ones are up north near New Hampshire.

>

> Chris

She ought to see if they wan switch it to the first half of October

in Amherst. I've been to 2 conferences there at that time of

year...and it's INCREDIBLE, if you enjoy fall colors.

May 7, 2003

---Chris: She's not leaving Kansas is she? She has been doing

positive things in Topeka relative to WAPF. I haven't spoken with her

for a while. Dennis

In , " Cogswell "

<radiantlife@e...> wrote:

> One more thing -

>

> I was talking with Benner this morning (who wasn't able to

> make it this year to the conf. because she is moving) about

economics

>

May 7, 2003

,

Where are you from?

The other advantage is there would be students there. The population

of Amherst is about five times higher during the school year. Of

course, that also means more vegetarian hecklers ;-)

Wanita, I guess I'll let you know when I find out the exact date of

the conference. It's always great to see Sally speak no matter how

many times you've heard/read it

Chris

May 7, 2003

Suze,

Or whoever did the caption... the mystery woman is Shan.

Chris

--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

wrote:

> Suze-

>

> So come on, who's who? <g>

>

> >http://photos./group/ /lst

>

> -

May 7, 2003

--- In , " Suze Fisher "

> -------------------------------------------->well you got the arrow

part

> right. <BSEG>

I knew I got part of it right

What's BSEG?

> ------->huh?? the only time I was *not* laughing or grinning was

when i was

> nodding off during McCulley's speech (exhausted from the

registration), and

> when the woman next to me at the Ethiopian dinner was describing her

> grandson's congenital brain defect. Other than that time, I recall

seeing

> *you* either smiling or laughing all the way through yourself.

maybe she

> meant some other chris and suze. <g>

lol... maybe.

> >>>>>Chapter leader list? Where's that?

>

> ------------->WAPFchapterleaders

Thanks.

Chris

May 7, 2003

> -------------------------------------------->well you got the arrow

part

> right. <BSEG>

Dammit, I wish I didn't screw that quote up. What you really said

hilarious:

(I typed " suzie " in the archive " )

-----> " Suzie " ? oh well, it beats " suez. "

lol.

chris

May 7, 2003

> >>>>>What's BSEG?

>

> ----------->Big Shit Eating Grin.

never would have guessed that one!

chris

May 7, 2003

Suze,

A decade younger?! Yep, that brings a smile.

I feel old so much of the time (older than my years). When I go out

I try not to look sick, to look like I'm just like everyone else.

That gets frustrating when some people say, " But you don't look

sick, " and the impression I have is that they're thinking, " I don't

believe you're sick. " But others say it and I really appreciate the

compliment. Who wants to look sick?

I started a combo of homeopathy and acupuncture about 3 weeks ago.

Two weeks into it, I was feeling 30% better -- it was truly amazing.

But then I started going down hill again. It could be a " healing

crisis, " but only time will tell.

Not to nauseate everyone else on the board with all these

compliments, but really, Suze, you don't look your age *at all*

either!!

Next year, I think I'll plan on sitting at the same table with other

group members -- at the minimum.

>

> ----->, I want to say again what I told you at the

conference...despite

> your battle with CFS you looked lovely, vibrant, and so youthful. I

would've

> pegged you for a decade younger had you not told me your age...not

in any

> way to dimish your struggle, but just a sincere compliment to

hopefully

> bring a smile :-))))) I wish we could've spent more time

together...let's do

> that next year...

May 7, 2003

Suze,

See below.

> >>>>>I started a combo of homeopathy and acupuncture about 3 weeks

ago.

> Two weeks into it, I was feeling 30% better -- it was truly amazing.

> But then I started going down hill again. It could be a " healing

> crisis, " but only time will tell.

>

> ---->have you tried different therapies previous to this?

***** I've tried lots of things (I've been sick 10 years), but I'm

honestly too tired to write about them now. I'm going out of town

tomorrow for a week to visit a friend's parents' farm. Should be

restful. (Anyway, I'm exhausted from conference, trying to pack,

but wasting time on this board because it's more fun.)

I've still got things in my diet I want to play around with (all w/in

the NT paradigm). I think/know my adrenal glands are messed up and I

haven't done too much research into that yet.

The homeopath/acupuncturist told me I'd be 50% better in 2 months and

he gets that result with 90% of the CFS people he sees. At least

I'll be able to measure that. Ron Schmid said at the conference that

his opinion is that homeopathy might help, but wouldn't be the cure.

Who knows?!

One thing is that either the homeopathy or the acupuncture or the

combo has improved my sleep greatly. That's been good.

May 7, 2003

,

> All kidding (or half kidding) aside, I do appreciate it! It's

always nice

> to be able to put names to faces. I just wish I could've made it

down to DC myself.

Just so you (and others who are trying to match names/faces) know,

I'm not the in the picture. I'm not sure which that is.

May 7, 2003

I want to throw in some dry, dirt farmer, sailor, midwestern middle-

age " humor " about the pictures but it's not what I'm getting paid for

so I won't try. At any rate thank you all for coverage of the WAPF

conference. I enjoyed Sally's presentation last year at a Nebraska

sustainable agriculture conference. Dennis

In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote:

> Suze-

>

> >Did you click on the thumbnail? Click on it to get the larger

version.

>

> Yeah, I was talking about the larger version. 400x381 is plenty of

> resolution for one or two people, or even a few, but not 11.

>

> -

May 7, 2003

Suze-

Thanks for the rundown!

>Tom Cowan:

>

>Presented Rudolph Steiner's alternative and somewhat philosophical

>perspective on the role of the heart and the capillaries in moving the

>blood.

Am I the only one a little troubled by this? Or if not by his lecture

(which I didn't hear, of course) by some of what he's published on the WAPF

site? In general, WAPF seems very dedicated to sound science, but there's

also a bit of spiritualism and homeopathy creeping in. I don't mean to

suggest that there's no value in homeopathy (I simply don't know whether

there is or isn't) but there's definitely a lot of voodoo argument in that

field and others, and I don't want to see WAPF turn into a bunch of yin and

yang and cool and warm and other nonsense. I don't even mean there's no

value in examining traditional and foreign systems of medicine and diet and

health, because there obviously is, but we shouldn't just take all their

tenets at face value.

-

May 8, 2003

> ------>oh thanks! yeah, i hope we haven't been totally nauseating,

that's

> why i refrained from also telling chris that he too looked a decade

younger.

> well...that, and because he probably wouldn't appreciate being told

he looks

> 11.

lol.. i don't think i would have believed you. i think i do

actually look a little younger than i am without a beard, and a bit

older than i am with a beard. when i had a beard and thinner glasses

i looked like a father or something. i think maybe it's ok to look

like a little kid for now

i feel left out because i don't know anybody's age so can't make more

nauseating comments. well anyway lisa i think suze is probably right

because based on how old i would have thought you are you couldn't

*possibly* be ten years younger than that, and suze, i don't think

your face looks chubby (which you claim to have gained weight in?).

there... i did my part... lol

chris

May 9, 2003

>Tom Cowan:

>

>Presented Rudolph Steiner's alternative and somewhat philosophical

>perspective on the role of the heart and the capillaries in moving the

>blood.

Am I the only one a little troubled by this?

---------->nope! there are others...

Or if not by his lecture