Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 Hi, Any comments on polycarbonate grade 7? That is what is used in the water dispensers in office settings frequently. I have tried to eliminate plastic almost completely but I still use a polycarb water jug to bring home the RO water. My grocery cart containing three 5 gallon containers fliped once due to the weight of the water and there was enough force to the fall that I suddenly appreciated plastic! I also send a polcarb container to school with my son so he can drink his own water. All his other food containers are glass. Is polycarb 7 bad too? Is there a stainless steel product that anyone can recommend? Thanks, Gail Z. > See the following article in Nature's Science Update. I have done quite a bit > of research into chemical compounds such as those in plastics and they appear > to disrupt hormones at all levels. Be careful with plastic -- don't cook in > plastic or use plastic bottles over and over, etc. Also see: <A HREF= " http://www.ourstolenfuture.org " > > www.ourstolenfuture.org</A> for insight into all the nasty chemicals that have > been released into our enviroment. > > <A HREF= " http://www.nature.com/nsu/030331/030331- 2.html " >http://www.nature.com/nsu/030331/030331-2.html</A> > > Plastics spoil mouse eggs > Food-packaging compound affects reproductive cell division. > 1 April 2003 > <A HREF= " http://www.nature.com/nsu/profiles/aboutus.html#Pearson " > HELEN PEARSON</A> > > BPA is used in transparent food packaging. > © Corbis > > > > A chemical commonly found in plastic food containers harms growing mouse > eggs, according to a new study<A HREF= " http://www.nature.com/nsu/030331/030331-2.html#b1 " >1</A> - fuelling the debate over the additive's > safety. > The compound is called bisphenol A (BPA). It is widely used in see-through > bottles and for lining tin cans. Its chemical activity mimics that of the > female hormone oestrogen, so some fear that it might damage an unborn baby's > growing sex organs. > In the latest study, Hunt of Case Western Reserve University in > Cleveland, Ohio discovered unusual genetic defects in the eggs of her > laboratory mice. She traced it to their hard plastic cages, which were > leaching BPA. > Even traces - 20 parts per billion in drinking water - altered 8% of eggs, > her team found. Normally, only 1% of eggs are defective. Humans are exposed > to similar BPA levels, Hunt says, although it is not known if they have the > same effect. > In theory, such genetic flaws could cause a higher incidence of miscarriage > or of conditions such as Down's syndrome. " You're talking about transmitting > profound chromosomal damage to your baby, " says PBA researcher Frederick vom > Saal of the University of Missouri-Columbia. > Steve Hentges of the American Plastics Council in Arlington, Virginia, > counters that it is too early to condemn BPA - because the team have yet to > show whether the genetic changes actually affect the mice's ability to > reproduce. " We don't know how to interpret this yet, " he argues. > Earlier investigations hinted that exposing animals in the womb to levels of > BPA similar to those found in the environment upsets their sperm count, > prostate and testicular development. Other studies - some commissioned by the > plastics industry - have found BPA to be completely safe. > > > Hunt has gone a step further in showing that BPA might also harm an egg's > DNA; this damage might be inherited by offspring formed from those eggs. She > finds that BPA stops chromosomes from dividing up equally before egg cells > divide, possibly by interfering with oestrogen's normal activity. > Hunt, vom Saal and others would like to see BPA regulations tightened. Some > regulatory bodies are already reviewing the allowable levels: a European > Commission's food-safety committee, for example, last year slashed its upper > limit for daily intake fivefold. > > The US Food and Drug Administration does not have a safety limit for BPA on > foodstuffs. " We don't have any reason to believe there's any effect, " argues > the administration's i, who is involved in regulating the safety > of plastics in food packaging. But the agency keeps tabs on new research, he > adds. > > > References > > 1. Hunt, P.A. et al. Bisphenol A exposure causes meiotic aneuploidy > in the female mouse. Current Biology, 13, 546 - 553, (2003).<A HREF= " http://current-biology.com/ " > |Homepage|</A> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 What about a glass bottle, inside a knit/crochet or macramed bottle cover... that way the bottle is safer, meaning less chance to break, and looks a litle better? It is just an idea Zahra In a message dated 4/3/03 9:55:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, hugthecat@... writes: > I have also used a glass bottle. I have also heard of people who > drink from canning jars. I would leave that in the car to avoid the > commments though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 We carry all of our drinking water in the glass containers that herbal teas, and other drinks are sold in. My kids laugh as they see me buying all these junk drinks. They think I'm the only person that buys them for the jar instead of the beverage. They were shocked the first time they saw me dumping the drink down the drain so I could have the glass jar to use for water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 In a message dated 4/3/03 11:06:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, BrenRuble@... writes: > We carry all of our drinking water in the glass containers that herbal teas, > > and other drinks are sold in. My kids laugh as they see me buying all > these > junk drinks. They think I'm the only person that buys them for the jar > instead of the beverage. What a great idea! I will do that too. They have those large bottles at the 99 cent store, sometimes 2 for 99 cents. what a bargain ;-) Zahra " If Hussain fought to quench his worldly desires, then I do not understand why his sisters, wives and children accompanied him. It stands to reason therefore that he sacrificed purely for Islam. " - Dickens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 What does anyone suggest for carrying drinking water? (i.e., right now I often carry a plastic bottle of water w/me when I got out.) TIA, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 hah! funny topic for me as I'm running out the door preparing my " water " for the day! I throw some random spices/herbs/seaweed into water, heat it on the stove for a few minutes and pour it into 100% stainless steel thermoses. The stainless steel thermoses can run about $20 or so, but it is worth every last penny. I swear by these things. I have some by the Trudeau brand that I found in a local kitchen store. Mike On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, eatwild wrote: > I bought a stainless steel travel cup with no plastic on the inside, > the cover is plastic, but can be removed before drinking. I usually > don't remove it because I figure, the water is not contacting the > plastic all that long. I think thermos also makes a stainless sports > bottle, but is very expensive. I ordered a catalog as I have never > seen them in the store. > > I have also used a glass bottle. I have also heard of people who > drink from canning jars. I would leave that in the car to avoid the > commments though. > > Another thing I have tried is to store the water in a larger > container and bring a glass or stainless cup and pore water as needed. > > Just imagine that plastic had not been invented yet and go from > there. > > I still have the plasitc water jugs problem as well. I guess you > could order, from someplace, some glass jugs and reuse as needed. > anyone have a clue where find such a creature. > > > > > > What does anyone suggest for carrying drinking water? (i.e., right > > now I often carry a plastic bottle of water w/me when I got out.) > > > > TIA, > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 I plan to cover a glass bottle with fiberglass tape and epoxy. It'll be a " composite " drinking bottle that won't shatter if dropped. Fiberglass and epoxy can be picked up at some hobby shops or ordered online. Or, you can build a kayak or canoe kit and use left-overs. DJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 If you don't like the idea of covering the bottle with a bottle cover/sling type holder, why not just cover the bottle with duct tape? It seems like a whole lot easier than epoxy, not to mention less toxic. Zahra In a message dated 4/4/03 5:59:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, bchbmnsgrbr@... writes: > . If you wrap a > glass bottle in it, you're exposing yourself to toxins when you make > it, when you touch it and when it offgasses. you could probably be > careful in coating the bottle, and then cover it in a natural paint > that is designed to seal walls for offgassing, but i'm not sure if > they would work on this composite material. is it worth it? > fiberglass is also hazardous if you're not careful. > > " If Hussain fought to quench his worldly desires, then I do not understand why his sisters, wives and children accompanied him. It stands to reason therefore that he sacrificed purely for Islam. " - Dickens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 carrying drinking water.. I have a collection of glass bottles they look like a wine bottles with a metal and ceramic flip-top thing on the top with the round rubber gasket. It can be washed and re-used. I bought this bottle for $3 it came with French grape juice. You see a lot of them in use in France, and I imagine Europe. It's a tough thick glass does not break easily. Also looks stylish and is good for storeing things like beet kvass and other fermented drinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 > I plan to cover a glass bottle with fiberglass tape and epoxy. It'll > be a " composite " drinking bottle that won't shatter if dropped. > Fiberglass and epoxy can be picked up at some hobby shops or ordered > online. Or, you can build a kayak or canoe kit and use left-overs. > > DJ DJ, epoxy and other resins like it are very toxic, containing the very chemicals you're trying to avoid in plastic bottles. If you wrap a glass bottle in it, you're exposing yourself to toxins when you make it, when you touch it and when it offgasses. you could probably be careful in coating the bottle, and then cover it in a natural paint that is designed to seal walls for offgassing, but i'm not sure if they would work on this composite material. is it worth it? fiberglass is also hazardous if you're not careful. i had a great article on which plastics are the worst/best (can't find the link), but i believe that number 1's (PET) are the safest, but do break down in time. storing water would probably be bad, but cold water left in it for a short period of time (day or two) would probably be safe, IMHO. most bottled water is shipped warm, or even hot (in the south so that's probably more dangerous. i'll try to find that link, it was a study done I believe at UF (florida). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 http://www.cfd.rmit.edu.au/noticeboard/RAIAConvention/plastics.doc i'm not sure if this is the same article, but it's got some great info. NOTE: this is a direct link to a word document. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 Why not take an idea from our spanish and italian neighbors? Look at the cane wrapped bottles like chianti... there you havethe glass and the cane wrapping to soften blows against it. :-) cork stopper completes the natural / neutral container. Re: Be wary of plastics > > > I plan to cover a glass bottle with fiberglass tape and epoxy. > It'll > > be a " composite " drinking bottle that won't shatter if dropped. > > Fiberglass and epoxy can be picked up at some hobby shops or > ordered > > online. Or, you can build a kayak or canoe kit and use left-overs. > > > > DJ > > DJ, > > epoxy and other resins like it are very toxic, containing the very > chemicals you're trying to avoid in plastic bottles. If you wrap a > glass bottle in it, you're exposing yourself to toxins when you make > it, when you touch it and when it offgasses. you could probably be > careful in coating the bottle, and then cover it in a natural paint > that is designed to seal walls for offgassing, but i'm not sure if > they would work on this composite material. is it worth it? > fiberglass is also hazardous if you're not careful. > > i had a great article on which plastics are the worst/best (can't > find the link), but i believe that number 1's (PET) are the safest, > but do break down in time. storing water would probably be bad, but > cold water left in it for a short period of time (day or two) would > probably be safe, IMHO. most bottled water is shipped warm, or even > hot (in the south so that's probably more dangerous. > > i'll try to find that link, it was a study done I believe at UF > (florida). > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 > See the following article in Nature's Science Update. I have done quite a bit > of research into chemical compounds such as those in plastics and they appear > to disrupt hormones at all levels. Be careful with plastic -- don't cook in > plastic or use plastic bottles over and over, That's worrying. I use plastic storage tubs - for keeping food in the fridge and for taking it to work. Is this dangerous? If so, what else can I use (apart from plastic food bags!!) Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 You can get glass bowls with plastic lids. Pyrex makes some. But there are others. Irene At 11:49 AM 4/5/03, you wrote: > > > See the following article in Nature's Science Update. I have done >quite a bit > > of research into chemical compounds such as those in plastics and >they appear > > to disrupt hormones at all levels. Be careful with plastic -- don't >cook in > > plastic or use plastic bottles over and over, > >That's worrying. I use plastic storage tubs - for keeping food in >the fridge and for taking it to work. Is this dangerous? If so, >what else can I use (apart from plastic food bags!!) > >Jo > > > >Sponsor<http://us.ard./M=249982.3083889.4452939.1728375/D=egroupweb/S=\ 1705060950:HM/A=1524963/R=0/*http://hits.411web.com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556 & l\ lineid=3083889 & prop=egroupweb & pos=HM> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 I have used Sparkletts water service in plastic bottles for years and am now considering cancelling the service. Does anyone order large amounts of water to be delivered in glass bottles? Thanks, Patti in Santa _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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