Re: Re: Your body needs and crys for water.........

[Guest guest]

I agree with Russ.

Re: Your body needs and crys for water.........

> >I agree that dehydration is a problem, but drinking more water

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> Heidi, I don't know where you get your information from, but you lack

> knowledge of cellular function and nutritional/physicial laws about

> 'trapped plasma proteins', and their effect on pain, infection and

> disease.

> Lack of oxygen to the cells, dehydration, and minerals are the 3 main

> causes of PAIN in the body. Dehydration is also a major cause of

> headaches, because dehydration pulls water from the brain. This causes

> electricial signals in the head to fail, which is the cause of pain.

> Drinking more clean, pure water, adding more minerals is proven to

> stop most headaches.

> All nutrients are carried via the lymphatic system to all the cells in

> the body of which water is badly needed.

> My own mother battled with Sjogren's disease for 20 years. Three years

> ago I pioneered the usage of our CS/MSM solution in the eyes which

> cured her of Sjogrnen's.

> Sodas, coffee, tea, alcohol, are all diuretics, which pulls water out

> of the bodys cells. You can drink gallons of any of these all day

> long and still be dehydrated.

> I would encourage you to download my eBook and you will get the facts

> and get the truth, learn the reasons why people suffer with pain,

> infection, and disease.

> Russ

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> > >Electricity will not flow through dry tissues and cells that are

> > >dehydrated and dried up, thus, you have pain. Many times pain can be

> > >eliminated, simply by drinking more clean pure water.

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> > I agree that dehydration is a problem, but drinking more water

> > won't necessarily cure it. Some people are chronically dehydrated

> > because the body just WON'T keep the water stores correct -- this

> > is really true for Sjogren's syndrome and diabetes, but I think a

> > lot of people get a mild version of it. Theoretically, your body

> > CAN be really good and retaining the water it has to match your

> > intake and if you lived in a dry climate where water was scarce

> > you could get most of it from your food.

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> > Drinking too much water is problematic too -- drinking lots

> > of liquids flushes some vitamins out of your system.

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> > As for pure vs. mineralized: I've found the lightly fermented

> > lacto-drinks " go down " much better than straight water. Maybe

> > because they match the stomach contents better PH- and electrolyte-wise.

> > I agree that the pure water doesn't leach stuff out of your system,

> > but lightly salted or fermented stuff does seem to quench the

> > thirst better ( " sports drinks " !).

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[Guest guest]

> I would encourage you to download my eBook and you will get the facts

> and get the truth, learn the reasons why people suffer with pain,

> infection, and disease.

> Russ

I definitely need to learn more about water, and I'm going to take a look

at this eBook sometime, but with all due respect I want to point out that

" the reasons why people suffer with pain, infection,

and disease " are probably far more involved and numerous than could be

accomodated by any single book, electronic or otherwise, or any single author.

And as much as water might be awfully important, I'm sure it doesn't account for

the

totality of " pain, infection, and disease " . Additionally, judging by

the information that has been exchanged in the past by some

members of your audience, I suspect that they may already be the

proud owners of a modest supply of " facts " , " truth " , and knowledge

of " reasons why people suffer with pain, infection, and disease " . Making

bombastic claims adversely affects one's credibility. I think this list is

above the level of " advertising brochure " discourse. (I don't mean to

overlook any of the valuable and interesting information in the rest of

the above-cited post, however; this is only meant as a tiny morsel of

negative feedback, the easiest kind to give!)

On this topic of water and minerals, I've been long meaning to broach my

intentions of somehow maximizing the mineral intake available through

" drinking " (fully realizing the indistinct boundaries between " food " and

" drink " ). My idea is that if I drink stock in between meals instead of

plain water, I would be getting extra minerals and it might be very

enjoyable. I'm hoping it would dramatically improve the mineral density

of my diet because it would come at virtually no caloric cost. The same

logic applies to herbal teas, and indeed doesn't there lurk a deep

unification of the concepts of " carcass stock " , " carcass and vegetable

stock " , " vegetable stock " , " herbal tea " , " infusion " , " decoction " , etc.

Coconut water also seems to offer the same basic function, one of the

reasons I make a habit of buying young coconuts.

There are some unresolved issues in my mind, however:

1. Might one take in too much gelatin, glutamic acid, or other stock

components this way? I already eat a good bit of soup made with beef stock.

My plan is make a variety of different stocks, some with fish, shrimp, etc.

Any thoughts about the composition of various stocks, using more or less of

certain

items to get the most minerals and not too much of other stuff? I'm

thinking along the lines of using just bones, and not meat, cartilage,

etc. I'm also thinking of issues like how much vinegar, salt, etc should

be used to maximize mineral extraction.

2. I've long wanted to experiment with shrimp stock, but I wonder about

the risk of oxidizing the cholesterol during the intensive heat treatment that

stock-making constitutes. Similar questions apply to other stocks in

general. In the case of dried forms of sea animals like shrimp,

anchovies, etc, what happens to the cholesterol and PUFA's during the drying and

storage

process? These questions tie in to the long-standing issue on this list

of cooking times for fish stocks. As we all know, there is a very wide

range of viewpoints and practices, and I'm not aware of any satisfactory

understanding of the issue.

3. One often reads various things about the availability of minerals in

different forms, e.g. organic vs. inorganic, etc, but I have little

knowledge in this area. Can anyone recommend any books or articles that I

could consult to find answers about mineral availability? I realize that

minerals in plants are often more bioavailable, but what are the effects

of various forms of processing, such as the heat treatment involved in

making herbal teas? Is there any substance to the claims of some raw

foodists about the adverse effects of cooking on mineral bioavailability?

From pg 116 of NT: " Properly prepared, meat stocks are extremely

nutritious, containing the minerals of bone, cartilage, marrrow and

vegetables as electrolytes, a form that is easy to assimilate. Acidic

wine or vinegar added during cooking helps to draw minerals, particularly

calcium, magnesium and potassium, into the broth. " A statement like this

makes me optimistic, but I'd like to have a lot more information before I

confidently adopt this idea as a pillar of my lifestyle.

4. There have been past discussions about the quantity of minerals that

can exist in a certain form for a given quantity of liquid. My impression

was that the conclusion was " we really have no idea " . Any new thoughts or

information on the venerable " quantity " question? What are practicalities

of having things like this measured? Could I make a few batches of stock

with different " stuff " :liquid ratios, send samples off to some lab and get

some data without going into debt on my " struggling student " budget?

5. Tradeoffs between losing good stuff from herbs and getting more

minerals as a function of temperature and duration????

6. What happens to oxalates in heated water?

7. Other ways of making minerals in animal carcasses bioavailable? Every

once in a while there are posts about esoteric bone recipes from Africa,

raw v. cooked bones, etc, but I've never encountered any candidates for

implementation in my life. By the way, I have NO pets (except for my

kefir grains). I'm interested in HUMANS (especially me!).

8. Am I missing something important and/or contraindicative?

Speculating that DRINKING IS EATING,

Mike

[Guest guest]

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>My own mother battled with Sjogren's disease for 20 years. Three years

>ago I pioneered the usage of our CS/MSM solution in the eyes which

>cured her of Sjogrnen's.

I'm glad that worked for her, but for a lot of people, the issue with

Sjogren's

is IgA allergy (mainly wheat). In any case, your " CS/MSM solution " is not " just

drinking more water " which is my issue with the " drink more water " folks. I

DO drink a lot of water, always have, but that did NOT solve a lot of the

dehydration problems. Neither did giving up sodas or caffeine. But I

totally agree with you that dehydration causes all kinds of problems --

mine disappeared when I " revamped " my diet and I'm not sure which factor

did it (no wheat? more fat? probiotics? lack of diarrhea? more potassium?

less carbs?). The only thing I did NOT do was " drink more water " -- in any

case, that would be difficult, as I was drinking constantly.

I'm just saying that the " drink more water " approach is simplistic, and so

is the " drink less caffeine " . There are multiple causes to dehydration.

Heidi S

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I don''t have any credentials or scientific data to back up my opinion, but

the idea that water lubricates doesn't make sense to me. Fats and oils

lubricate. I recently have been reading some opinions by Aajonus

Vonderplanitz who overcame many chronic illnesses since childhood by

consuming a raw foods diet. His opinion, which makes sense to me, is that H2O

found in raw foods are far more cellularly utilizable than pure H2O.

Going from personal experience, this seems likely true, as I have been

drinking approximately 70 oz. of water per day for the last two years, and

seem never to be fully hydrated. I filter my water through the Wellness

Filter, and weigh about 100 lb. After reading the book " The Recipe for Living

Without Disease " , I plan to significantly increase my raw fat consumption

while consuming a moderate amount of filtered H2O. I am very anxious to see

if this approach works for me.

Theresa