3 questions

March 6, 2000

Dear List,

Well Da!! At least I had a good laugh! (IMHO)

And no, my son only cares that he is ANNOYING the whole family after we send

him to his room. However, he gets extremely uncomfortable and anxious

during an outing because he tries soooo hard to control himself. As I

mentioned, we homeschool and he doesn't have peers teasing him or anything.

He knows that his verbalizations bother us after a while, but he says that

" the things in his head are so funny that he must share them with us, so we

can all laugh. " Obviously, we have lead him to believe that this is true

since we have often laughed. But he is 12 years old now, and it just isn't

that funny to hear him repeating outrageous things. (lines from movies,

commercials, sound effects, phrases he has made up...usually done with

inflection and comedic timing!) This is my major complaint (which sounds

minor when I read other posts) While he notices that things aren't grouped

" right, " or clothes don't " feel right, " or smell " right " it bothers him but

he doesn't have to change them. He would like to stop " squeezing " us, but

hasn't been able to conquer that yet. He squeezes us at least 100 times a

day (yes, we counted and yes we have bruises) One time we did send him to

Christian school, but he kept hugging everyone so the kids started calling

him gay. Which really whigged him out because he is sooo

moralistic...everything black and white (no offense intended)

Ginger

learning in Texas

Re: 3 questions

>From: " Kathy " <klr@...>

>

>Hi Ginger, I am sorry, IMHO just means " in my humble opinion " , I hope you

>didn't waste too much time searching for this term. I just meant that I

>don't know your son and I'm not a doctor, but if Kel moved her mattress as

>your son did (if she even could, he must be strong!) this would be her OCD

>without a doubt.

>

> " How I Ran OCD Off My Land " by March is supposed to available through

>the OC Foundation, though when I ordered it I was eventually sent

>photocopied back issues of their newsletter. It had apparently been

>serialized in the newsletter a few years ago, but parts were missing. I

>bought " OCD in Children and Adolescents " (March and Mulle) through Amazon.

>This is the CBT manual that grew out of " How I Ran . . . "

>

> Claiborne, a counselor and adviser on the OCD-L, responded to a

>question I posted last year, saying there was no danger in inexpertly or

>incorrectly-applied E & RP, only that there would likely be no improvement in

>symptoms. Is your son really unaware and unbothered by his compulsions?

(I

>think you mentioned in an earlier post that he says he does them because

>they are fun.) My daughter HATES them and wants them gone, which has been

a

>great position from which to do E & RP. Successfully bossing back

compulsions

>has been a tremendous boost to my daughter's self-esteem.

>

>Hope this helps,

>Kathy R. in Indiana

>

>> From: " Ginger " <gmiller@...>

>> I have been reading through my new books. But you used the term " IMHO "

in

>> one of your emails to me (referring to his moving his mattress into the

>> living room to see me as he goes to sleep), and I can't find the

definiton

>> anywhere. Perhaps you could explain.

>>

>> AND I can't find " How I Ran OCD Off My Land " at Amazon.com -- maybe I

>> have the title wrong?

>>

>> AND since this " bossing " technique sounds like a great idea, should I

>start

>> NOW ? We don't see a doctor for 2 months, and still haven't found a

>> therapist yet. The concept seems self explanitory, so I don't see what

>harm

>> it would do. I just ask because my son has great self esteem and I

would

>> hate to rain on his parade by pointing out every compulsion (we currently

>> ignore them)

>>

>> Thanks for the help,

>> Ginger in Texas

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September 18, 2011

Hi,

I am sorry If i am opening the same discussion again also i am sorry for

my English.

Yesterday I started to write down my progress to keep up my motivation

with s properties. The adress is

http://dailykneecap.squarespace.com/

I want to ask you people questions first than i want to explain why am i

asking you the questions and what i think about them.

1- Why are my knees feel better when i am moving them? When i stop

moving them and sit on a chair. They start to ache.

I have chondromalacia for about 5 months. I read all " Runners Knee

Bible " by Doug Kelsey and i read " Saving my knees " by Bedard.

The rabbit experiment described by Bedart was very exiting to

me. They are experimenting chondromalacia situation on rabbits. They

put four holes in the cartilage of the rabbits. and they are separating

them to 3 groups. First group is just resting. Second group is being

kept inside a big place so that they can move whenever they want. Third

group is hooked up to a leg flexing machine which means they are

resting all the time but their legs are being flexed up and down

nonstop. After 3 weeks, the first group heals 8 percent of the holes,

the second group heals 9 percent, third group heals 44 percent. After

10 weeks third group heals totally.

So what i understand from the readings is knee cartilage is like a

sponge lung. If you dont move them they cant be fed so the healing

process for chondromalacia situation will be very very slow.

2- Why are my knees feel better when i am lying on the bed.

While lying on the bed i am extending my legs. Which means the knee cap

is not locked to the bone.When i touch my kneecap while my leg is

extended, i can move them with my hand. So i am doing the same thing

while sitting. I am extending my leg and the kneecap is not being locked

to the bone and it still aches.

I think while sitting on the chair the cartilage fluid gets down, which

means the fluid is not inside the cartilage. While lying on bed, the the

fluid is on the cartilage. So it feels better???

3- Does sleeping position matters?

I am trying to sleep without bending my knees.

September 26, 2011

Hi,

No need to apologize for your English! I think everyone here is understanding

and sympathetic; we all suffer (or suffered) from the same thing. Re: your

questions:

1. Why do your knees feel better in motion, then begin to ache when you sit in a

chair?

Doug Kelsey explained this once on his blog:

" The short-term stiffness, however, is entirely different. On the surface of

articular cartilage, secreted by the synovium, is a surface-active phospholipid

(SAPL). This SAPL's job is to provide the lubrication we need in the joint and

to prevent the layers of cartilage from melding themselves together or gelling.

In the case of OA, the synovium does not produce as much SAPL and therefore, we

feel stiff; the layers begin to gel until we get up and move. "

By the way his The View from Sports Center blog (which he no longer does) was

great. If I were you, I'd spend some time perusing it; you'll find much good

info there:

http://www.sportscenteraustin.blogs.com/

2. Why do knees feel better when lying on a bed? (I think that was your

question.)

I would think for 3 reasons off the top of my head:

(1) Injured body parts (especially when the injuries are prone to swelling) tend

to feel better elevated. On a bed, your legs are elevated, at least relative to

their normal position.

(2) The bent-knee position (which we normally spend our days in, if not walking

or standing) puts a fair amount of mechanical stress on the patellofemoral

joint. Straightened legs reduce the stress.

(3) You're probably much more relaxed on a bed, which may help ease some

tightness around the joint.

3. Does sleeping position matter?

I once blogged about this:

http://savingmyknees.blogspot.com/search?q=sleeping

I'm not convinced you should worry much about what position you sleep in. People

flip around a lot in their sleep, after all. But if starting out sleeping on

your side feels better than starting out sleeping on your back -- great, go for

it. Else, I think the more important matter is getting ENOUGH sleep in the first

place.

Hope this helps some, and keep moving!

www.savingmyknees.com

>

> Hi,

>

> I am sorry If i am opening the same discussion again also i am sorry for

> my English.

>

> Yesterday I started to write down my progress to keep up my motivation

> with s properties. The adress is

> http://dailykneecap.squarespace.com/

>

> I want to ask you people questions first than i want to explain why am i

> asking you the questions and what i think about them.

>

> 1- Why are my knees feel better when i am moving them? When i stop

> moving them and sit on a chair. They start to ache.

>

> I have chondromalacia for about 5 months. I read all " Runners Knee

> Bible " by Doug Kelsey and i read " Saving my knees " by Bedard.

> The rabbit experiment described by Bedart was very exiting to

> me. They are experimenting chondromalacia situation on rabbits. They

> put four holes in the cartilage of the rabbits. and they are separating

> them to 3 groups. First group is just resting. Second group is being

> kept inside a big place so that they can move whenever they want. Third

> group is hooked up to a leg flexing machine which means they are

> resting all the time but their legs are being flexed up and down

> nonstop. After 3 weeks, the first group heals 8 percent of the holes,

> the second group heals 9 percent, third group heals 44 percent. After

> 10 weeks third group heals totally.

>

> So what i understand from the readings is knee cartilage is like a

> sponge lung. If you dont move them they cant be fed so the healing

> process for chondromalacia situation will be very very slow.

>

> 2- Why are my knees feel better when i am lying on the bed.

>

> While lying on the bed i am extending my legs. Which means the knee cap

> is not locked to the bone.When i touch my kneecap while my leg is

> extended, i can move them with my hand. So i am doing the same thing

> while sitting. I am extending my leg and the kneecap is not being locked

> to the bone and it still aches.

>

> I think while sitting on the chair the cartilage fluid gets down, which

> means the fluid is not inside the cartilage. While lying on bed, the the

> fluid is on the cartilage. So it feels better???

>

> 3- Does sleeping position matters?

>

> I am trying to sleep without bending my knees.

>

September 30, 2011

Hi,

Thank you for your answer, i thought nobody would answer these questions and i

stopped to follow the group for a while. I really admire your book btw.

Now i know that i dont have only chondromalacia also an acl sprain and meniscus.

But listening to the knees really helping me a lot. Your advices are always on

my mind.

cheers

oz

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am sorry If i am opening the same discussion again also i am sorry for

> > my English.

> >

> > Yesterday I started to write down my progress to keep up my motivation

> > with s properties. The adress is

> > http://dailykneecap.squarespace.com/

> >

> > I want to ask you people questions first than i want to explain why am i

> > asking you the questions and what i think about them.

> >

> > 1- Why are my knees feel better when i am moving them? When i stop

> > moving them and sit on a chair. They start to ache.

> >

> > I have chondromalacia for about 5 months. I read all " Runners Knee

> > Bible " by Doug Kelsey and i read " Saving my knees " by Bedard.

> > The rabbit experiment described by Bedart was very exiting to

> > me. They are experimenting chondromalacia situation on rabbits. They

> > put four holes in the cartilage of the rabbits. and they are separating

> > them to 3 groups. First group is just resting. Second group is being

> > kept inside a big place so that they can move whenever they want. Third

> > group is hooked up to a leg flexing machine which means they are

> > resting all the time but their legs are being flexed up and down

> > nonstop. After 3 weeks, the first group heals 8 percent of the holes,

> > the second group heals 9 percent, third group heals 44 percent. After

> > 10 weeks third group heals totally.

> >

> > So what i understand from the readings is knee cartilage is like a

> > sponge lung. If you dont move them they cant be fed so the healing

> > process for chondromalacia situation will be very very slow.

> >

> > 2- Why are my knees feel better when i am lying on the bed.

> >

> > While lying on the bed i am extending my legs. Which means the knee cap

> > is not locked to the bone.When i touch my kneecap while my leg is

> > extended, i can move them with my hand. So i am doing the same thing

> > while sitting. I am extending my leg and the kneecap is not being locked

> > to the bone and it still aches.

> >

> > I think while sitting on the chair the cartilage fluid gets down, which

> > means the fluid is not inside the cartilage. While lying on bed, the the

> > fluid is on the cartilage. So it feels better???

> >

> > 3- Does sleeping position matters?

> >

> > I am trying to sleep without bending my knees.

> >

September 30, 2011

As said, I never sleep on my stomach since it irritates my knees

(although sometimes I accidentally roll to that position in the night). I find

it helpful to sleep with a soft pillow between my knees if they are particularly

irritated. Anything too hard puts too much space between the knees.

Hope that helps!

-Abby