Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 Chris- >I spread a small amount of raw honey on it last night, >and this morning it is unquestionably EASY to chew. Perhaps enzymes in the honey tenderized it? Not a viable option for me, unfortunately. >BTW, does the supposed danger of raw glands apply to heart? It's not >a gland, so it should be fine, right? I want the CoQ10! Eh, what supposed dangers? Anyway, no, heart isn't even really an organ, it's just muscle tissue that's very rich in CoQ10. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 , That's my guess. I discovered this after trying raw steak. I put some raw honey on it on my first time because I was afraid of bacteria, and heard of raw honey's supposed anti-bacterial effects. When I tried it, I didn't understand why people seemed to think raw meat was harder to chew than cooked meat. But when I got over my bacteriophobia I ate it without putting anything on it, and it was a little bit tough to chew. From then on I found I could use raw honey or cream cheese as a tenderizer. I'm going to stick to the honey though, because the enzymes sound safer for getting full benefits than the acid. A while ago some people said raw gland supplements are really easy to overdose on. Wasn't sure if eating whole raw glands was also dangerous. Just making sure. I had a half a pound of raw heart yesterday and am having more today Chris --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > Chris- > > >I spread a small amount of raw honey on it last night, > >and this morning it is unquestionably EASY to chew. > > Perhaps enzymes in the honey tenderized it? Not a viable option for me, > unfortunately. > > >BTW, does the supposed danger of raw glands apply to heart? It's not > >a gland, so it should be fine, right? I want the CoQ10! > > Eh, what supposed dangers? Anyway, no, heart isn't even really an organ, > it's just muscle tissue that's very rich in CoQ10. > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 Chris- Oh, yeah, I suppose that would be a danger for some people with some glands, but certainly not with heart. And with glands, I'm sure reasonable caution would be more than adequate, though probably nobody should eat a whole thyroid or adrenal all at once. >A while ago some people said raw gland supplements are really easy to >overdose on. Wasn't sure if eating whole raw glands was also >dangerous. Just making sure. I had a half a pound of raw heart >yesterday and am having more today - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 , what would you suggest would be " reasonable caution " with raw liver? I'm nervously about to stick my fork in my first piece ;-) You said you ate a whole pound in one sitting the first time, didn't you? Is liver a " gland " ? Does it have similar dangers? Thanks, Chris --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > Chris- > > Oh, yeah, I suppose that would be a danger for some people with some > glands, but certainly not with heart. And with glands, I'm sure reasonable > caution would be more than adequate, though probably nobody should eat a > whole thyroid or adrenal all at once. > > >A while ago some people said raw gland supplements are really easy to > >overdose on. Wasn't sure if eating whole raw glands was also > >dangerous. Just making sure. I had a half a pound of raw heart > >yesterday and am having more today > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 Chris- No, liver is definitely not a gland and doesn't pose the dangers some glands could. I would suggest cutting it up into tiny pieces and avoiding as much chewing as possible (and avoiding chewing on veins like the plague) but otherwise let your stomach be your guide. I suppose in the long term you could potentially overdose on vitamin A from tons of liver consumption, and to avoid that I'll eventually be reducing my liver consumption somewhat, but that danger is overstated since the key polar bear evidence apparently actually involved cadmium poisoning. But there's nothing in there that will set your heart beating too fast or boost your blood pressure dangerously or anything like that. It's just a healthy food. >what would you suggest would be " reasonable caution " with raw liver? >I'm nervously about to stick my fork in my first piece ;-) You said >you ate a whole pound in one sitting the first time, didn't you? Is >liver a " gland " ? Does it have similar dangers? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 , What's the harm in chewing it? And in chewing on veins? I didn't notice myself chewing on veins, but I probably did since I just chewed it normally like I would chew anything else. Is chewing it dangerous? Chris --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > Chris- > > No, liver is definitely not a gland and doesn't pose the dangers some > glands could. I would suggest cutting it up into tiny pieces and avoiding > as much chewing as possible (and avoiding chewing on veins like the plague) > but otherwise let your stomach be your guide. > > I suppose in the long term you could potentially overdose on vitamin A from > tons of liver consumption, and to avoid that I'll eventually be reducing my > liver consumption somewhat, but that danger is overstated since the key > polar bear evidence apparently actually involved cadmium poisoning. But > there's nothing in there that will set your heart beating too fast or boost > your blood pressure dangerously or anything like that. It's just a healthy > food. > > >what would you suggest would be " reasonable caution " with raw liver? > >I'm nervously about to stick my fork in my first piece ;-) You said > >you ate a whole pound in one sitting the first time, didn't you? Is > >liver a " gland " ? Does it have similar dangers? > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 Chris- >Is chewing it dangerous? None of it's dangerous, but it multiplies the amount of liver flavor you're subjected to, and big clumps of vein seem to one of the most nauseating things around. But if chewing veins and liver doesn't bother you, great! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 Oh phew! You had me worried there for a minute! People at work think I should go on Fear Factor I don't watch it, but I guess they make people eat things like raw liver and stuff sometimes, and the people just about throw up. I didn't even wince on the first bite! Chris --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > Chris- > > >Is chewing it dangerous? > > None of it's dangerous, but it multiplies the amount of liver flavor you're > subjected to, and big clumps of vein seem to one of the most nauseating > things around. But if chewing veins and liver doesn't bother you, great! > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 In a message dated 5/8/03 8:18:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Idol@... writes: > > > Bison liver is a breeze for me now. Zero problems. But most beef liver > still is very difficult, since a lot of it seems to have the texture of > sludge and the aroma of overcooked liver even when raw. And chicken liver > was a non-starter. I do have some duck, lamb and pig liver now that I > might try raw, though. And I have some bison thyroid and adrenal glands > and a couple bison thymuses, too. > I haven't tried anything but buffalo heart and liver so far. Heart I haven't even tried cooked, but I find it tastes pretty good raw. Liver is no pleasure food, but it gets easier and easier every time. I was wondering... did you say you get your liver never-frozen? How do you manage to keep it more than a few days, if so? Do you think freezing diminishes health benefits? Mine comes frozen. > I'd love to get hold of some fresh, high-quality brains, too, though I have > no idea whether those would be edible raw. (I suppose with their high DHA > content they probably shouldn't be cooked, though, or if they are cooked, > only poached or stewed or something like that. But I don't even know what > brains taste like in the first place.) I'm dying to try brains too. My friend Wayne (fomerly referred to on this list as " my boss " ) offered to give me some lamb brains this summer, but he said he'd give me the whole head because he doesn't feel like taking them out :-P I'm not sure whether to take him up on the offer or not. I've cut up lamb bones with an axe before for stock, but I have a feeling my grandfather does not want me smashing a skull to pieces in his basement! Chris " To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore Roosevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 In a message dated 5/8/03 8:23:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Idol@... writes: > I can probably go one better than any of you, though: I've eaten raw > buffalo fries. What are " fries " ? Just wondering-- euphemisms make me think genital ;-) Steaksauce on oysters??? lol chris " To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore Roosevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Have either of you found kidneys to taste like urine? I had cooked kidneys once at a restaurant in Montreal. I didn't mind them at all, but they seemed to have a very subtle smell or taste of faint urine. I couldn't help but think there might be a good reason for that. I liked them though. They were served with a great mushroom sauce stuff. I asked the waiter if they were any good before I ordered, and he said when he first tried them he thought they were really wierd, but when he started eating more of them, he started craving them. I felt really good and energetic and kind of light after them, even though I had some alcohol with dinner. Chris In a message dated 5/8/03 9:55:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, s.fisher22@... writes: > >i have no > >problem with raw kidney > > Really! Any trick to it? > > ------->yes. SOURCE. > i'm guessing that's pivotal in the tastiness of all these raw organs. I > haven't had kidney for a while though...the ones i usually get are lamb, > and > they're so small that i give them all to my dogs. I may try again this > summer, though. > " To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore Roosevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 >>>Buffalo. Maybe I*should* go on Fear Factor! lol... (, you too ) Welp, to make you more jealous (sorry ) I had raw liver again this morning without wincing. -------->oh yeh....just *rub* it in! all is not lost though...i have no problem with raw kidney :-) maybe i will try *buffalo* heart next time... Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Chris- >I had raw liver again this >morning without wincing. Bison liver is a breeze for me now. Zero problems. But most beef liver still is very difficult, since a lot of it seems to have the texture of sludge and the aroma of overcooked liver even when raw. And chicken liver was a non-starter. I do have some duck, lamb and pig liver now that I might try raw, though. And I have some bison thyroid and adrenal glands and a couple bison thymuses, too. I'd love to get hold of some fresh, high-quality brains, too, though I have no idea whether those would be edible raw. (I suppose with their high DHA content they probably shouldn't be cooked, though, or if they are cooked, only poached or stewed or something like that. But I don't even know what brains taste like in the first place.) - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Suze- Really! Any trick to it? I haven't tried it yet because my one experiment with cooked kidney was so unpleasant, but maybe I should. Maybe like liver the aroma and flavor would be much less intense if it's eaten raw. I can probably go one better than any of you, though: I've eaten raw buffalo fries. A little squishy, but not difficult or unpleasant at all. I'm a little nervous about overdosing, though, so I haven't tried any kind of consistent regimen. I should probably get my nose to the grindstone and read NAPD to see if it sheds any light on the matter. >i have no >problem with raw kidney - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 >i have no >problem with raw kidney Really! Any trick to it? ------->yes. SOURCE. i'm guessing that's pivotal in the tastiness of all these raw organs. I haven't had kidney for a while though...the ones i usually get are lamb, and they're so small that i give them all to my dogs. I may try again this summer, though. I can probably go one better than any of you, though: I've eaten raw buffalo fries. -------->is that the same as " Rocky Mountain oysters " ? A little squishy, ---------->squishy???? i can't think of anything i like to eat that's *squishy*! my stomach's starting to churn... Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Suze- >------->yes. SOURCE. Hmm, well, I have some bison kidneys from a farm which had perfectly edible bison liver, so maybe I'll have to try them. >-------->is that the same as " Rocky Mountain oysters " ? Yup. >---------->squishy???? i can't think of anything i like to eat that's >*squishy*! my stomach's starting to churn... Well, luckily for you, I think women aren't supposed to eat them. Then again, maybe ovaries are squishy too. ;-> - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 >>>>Have either of you found kidneys to taste like urine? -------->uh...no! I had cooked kidneys once at a restaurant in Montreal. I didn't mind them at all, but they seemed to have a very subtle smell or taste of faint urine. I couldn't help but think there might be a good reason for that. I liked them though. ---------->well then! you are a prime candidate for urine therapy! quick! where's dr. ong?? LOL Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 >---------->squishy???? i can't think of anything i like to eat that's >*squishy*! my stomach's starting to churn... Well, luckily for you, I think women aren't supposed to eat them. Then again, maybe ovaries are squishy too. ;-> ----------->and brain...yuuuuuummmmmm...............NOT! just my inexperienced opinion...i know some folks on this list like brain, and maybe other squishy things? oh wait! kefir grains are a little squishy, and i do like them. although, bizarrely, i kind of feel sorry for the bacteria and yeasts when i eat them. (even though i don't think about it when i consume them in *kefir*.) Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Chris- >Heart I haven't >even tried cooked, but I find it tastes pretty good raw. I haven't tried it raw because it's awfully tough and I can't use honey to tenderize it, but I have boiled it briefly enough that it came out very rare, and it was quite tasty, if still too chewy. >I was wondering... did you say you get your liver never-frozen? How do you >manage to keep it more than a few days, if so? Do you think freezing >diminishes health benefits? Mine comes frozen. I did try getting some never-frozen liver (from North Star Bison) but it actually didn't seem to confer any advantage over frozen liver, so I gave up on it. It's possible, though, that eventually frozen liver will start to lose its potency, but I've been buying relatively small amounts at a time (20# or so) so it never stays in the freezer all that long. (I can't recommend North Star for anything other than liver, and maybe glands and other organs, though. Their muscle meat tasted somewhat off and it made me sick. I can't figure out why the processing for organs would be so different (and so much cleaner) but time and time again, their liver has been excellent.) >I'm not sure whether to take him up on the offer or not. Hmm, I don't know what to tell you. On one hand, it's just a one-time experiment, so even if it's a bunch of work for a small brain, maybe it's worth trying, but on the other, I have no idea how hard it'll be to get through a skull. Maybe you'd need a special bone saw? And then what if that sprayed bone dust into the brain? So maybe a quick chop with an axe would be better. Maybe a butcher could tell you. >but I have a feeling my grandfather >does not want me smashing a skull to pieces in his basement! LOL! It might seem a little Satanic to the uninitiated! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Chris- >What are " fries " ? >Just wondering-- euphemisms make me think genital ;-) Genital is correct. Buffalo fries = Rocky Mountain Oysters = bison testicles. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Chris- >Have either of you found kidneys to taste like urine? YES! And they smell like urine too. That's why my first experiment with cooking kidneys was my last, and that's why I've been extremely reluctant to try raw kidney. >I didn't mind them at >all, but they seemed to have a very subtle smell or taste of faint urine. I >couldn't help but think there might be a good reason for that. What kidney reminded me of more than anything was a nursing home. There was a good taste in there, but the taste and smell of urine was too much. (Well, I'm assuming it tasted like urine, since I've never actually tried a glass. <g>) >I felt really good and >energetic and kind of light after them, even though I had some alcohol with >dinner. I think this is probably a function of them being a very nutritious and high-purine food. It's unfortunate that people aren't getting brought up to eat these things anymore. (Speaking of purines, I'm becoming more and more convinced that they're extremely important, at least for some people, but I'll post more on that in a few weeks, after a few more experiments -- specifically with making high-purine sausage, which will happen next week.) - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Suze- >----------->and brain...yuuuuuummmmmm...............NOT! Do we even know that brains would be squishy? I mean, maybe they are, but they could just as well be spongy, or slimy, or quivery, or gooey, or weepy... ;-> - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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