Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 , Thanks for the info regarding mercury in the vaccine preparations. These things are never as clear as they appear superficially, and it just continues to astound me the breadth of knowledge possessed by the members of this listserve. It's like having a practice partnership with over 150 DCs, and you can just go down the hall and ask a question. I think we should call this listserve the "virtual chiropractic partnership." D Freeman Mailing address: 2480 Liberty Street NE Suite 180Salem, Oregon 97303phone 503 763-3528fax 503 763-3530pager 888 501-7328 Wanted: Pediatrician in Beaverton, W. PDX, or nearby > Hi, all.> My daughter Candy has a 1 yr. old daughter. She brought her to the ped.for> a 1 yr. checkup and was told the doc would be giving the child a chickenpox> vaccine. Candy told the doctor that she didn't want Kinzey to have the> vaccine and would take her chances with the pox.> The dr. told her that she had refused an earlier vaccine (I can't remember> which one but it was new on the market so the dr. acquiesced). She alsogave> the child goat's milk against medical advice, and now wouldn't give her a> potentially life-saving vaccine. If she wouldn't follow her advice, she> suggests that she should seek care for the baby elsewhere. SHEESH!>> Candy said she would just do that. You can imagine the strength and> certainty is takes for a young mother to confront this situation. Thehidden> agenda is that you must do the best you can for your child and saying noto> a doctor's advice is dangerous ground. (You are allowed to say "No" to a> chiropractor with no risk of death or severe disease. Some people say "No"> to the chiropractor for the fun of saying "No" to a doctor.)>> I was visiting Meridian Park Hospital where this baby was born last year.I> asked the nurses what they thought of the hepatitis B vaccine forchildren.> They said that it was a given that it should be given. I said that thisbaby> would not be in daycare, was not expected to be at risk for contacting> someone with the disease. The nurses tried to help me understand that my> reasoning was flawed in that there is no risk in getting the vaccine and> potential benefits were great. I countered that there is a risk in getting> vaccinosis and even contracting the disease from the vaccine. Further,> wouldn't it be prudent to compare the risks of vaccinosis with the risk of> the child being exposed to the disease? The change in their attitude went> suddenly from intellectual discussion to alarmingly unfriendly. Theyquickly> whipped out a probe to try to discover if I was an android, body snatcher,> or ALTERNATIVE PERSON (shreek!).>> I am not opposed to vaccination out of hand. Fred Colley makes anexcellent> argument and he can get you in a headlock due to his Kung Fu/Yoga/Karate> expertise if you really irritate him.> I have found that there is tremendous pressure from schools, government,and> medical personnel to give vaccines with no thought to one vs. another. Ifit> were not for the very well reasoned DPT discussion, most parents would> simply follow orders.>> If you know of an able, open minded pediatrician in the Beaverton/West PDX> area, please respond.>> Thank you> --> Dr. Abrahamson>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 VCP... i like it. Change it. Let's take a vote. scott s. Wanted: Pediatrician in Beaverton, W. PDX, or nearby > Hi, all.> My daughter Candy has a 1 yr. old daughter. She brought her to the ped.for> a 1 yr. checkup and was told the doc would be giving the child a chickenpox> vaccine. Candy told the doctor that she didn't want Kinzey to have the> vaccine and would take her chances with the pox.> The dr. told her that she had refused an earlier vaccine (I can't remember> which one but it was new on the market so the dr. acquiesced). She alsogave> the child goat's milk against medical advice, and now wouldn't give her a> potentially life-saving vaccine. If she wouldn't follow her advice, she> suggests that she should seek care for the baby elsewhere. SHEESH!>> Candy said she would just do that. You can imagine the strength and> certainty is takes for a young mother to confront this situation. Thehidden> agenda is that you must do the best you can for your child and saying noto> a doctor's advice is dangerous ground. (You are allowed to say "No" to a> chiropractor with no risk of death or severe disease. Some people say "No"> to the chiropractor for the fun of saying "No" to a doctor.)>> I was visiting Meridian Park Hospital where this baby was born last year.I> asked the nurses what they thought of the hepatitis B vaccine forchildren.> They said that it was a given that it should be given. I said that thisbaby> would not be in daycare, was not expected to be at risk for contacting> someone with the disease. The nurses tried to help me understand that my> reasoning was flawed in that there is no risk in getting the vaccine and> potential benefits were great. I countered that there is a risk in getting> vaccinosis and even contracting the disease from the vaccine. Further,> wouldn't it be prudent to compare the risks of vaccinosis with the risk of> the child being exposed to the disease? The change in their attitude went> suddenly from intellectual discussion to alarmingly unfriendly. Theyquickly> whipped out a probe to try to discover if I was an android, body snatcher,> or ALTERNATIVE PERSON (shreek!).>> I am not opposed to vaccination out of hand. Fred Colley makes anexcellent> argument and he can get you in a headlock due to his Kung Fu/Yoga/Karate> expertise if you really irritate him.> I have found that there is tremendous pressure from schools, government,and> medical personnel to give vaccines with no thought to one vs. another. Ifit> were not for the very well reasoned DPT discussion, most parents would> simply follow orders.>> If you know of an able, open minded pediatrician in the Beaverton/West PDX> area, please respond.>> Thank you> --> Dr. Abrahamson>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Yea. Dr. Petty Re: Hep B VCP... i like it. Change it. Let's take a vote. scott s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 If I was in a group practice with all of you, I'd stay home in bed! (Only because you could do such a great job with my patients.) on 6/27/01 4:09 PM, Dr. Shephard, D.C. at shep@... wrote: VCP... i like it. Change it. Let's take a vote. scott s. Wanted: Pediatrician in Beaverton, W. PDX, or nearby > Hi, all. > My daughter Candy has a 1 yr. old daughter. She brought her to the ped. for > a 1 yr. checkup and was told the doc would be giving the child a chicken pox > vaccine. Candy told the doctor that she didn't want Kinzey to have the > vaccine and would take her chances with the pox. > The dr. told her that she had refused an earlier vaccine (I can't remember > which one but it was new on the market so the dr. acquiesced). She also gave > the child goat's milk against medical advice, and now wouldn't give her a > potentially life-saving vaccine. If she wouldn't follow her advice, she > suggests that she should seek care for the baby elsewhere. SHEESH! > > Candy said she would just do that. You can imagine the strength and > certainty is takes for a young mother to confront this situation. The hidden > agenda is that you must do the best you can for your child and saying no to > a doctor's advice is dangerous ground. (You are allowed to say " No " to a > chiropractor with no risk of death or severe disease. Some people say " No " > to the chiropractor for the fun of saying " No " to a doctor.) > > I was visiting Meridian Park Hospital where this baby was born last year. I > asked the nurses what they thought of the hepatitis B vaccine for children. > They said that it was a given that it should be given. I said that this baby > would not be in daycare, was not expected to be at risk for contacting > someone with the disease. The nurses tried to help me understand that my > reasoning was flawed in that there is no risk in getting the vaccine and > potential benefits were great. I countered that there is a risk in getting > vaccinosis and even contracting the disease from the vaccine. Further, > wouldn't it be prudent to compare the risks of vaccinosis with the risk of > the child being exposed to the disease? The change in their attitude went > suddenly from intellectual discussion to alarmingly unfriendly. They quickly > whipped out a probe to try to discover if I was an android, body snatcher, > or ALTERNATIVE PERSON (shreek!). > > I am not opposed to vaccination out of hand. Fred Colley makes an excellent > argument and he can get you in a headlock due to his Kung Fu/Yoga/Karate > expertise if you really irritate him. > I have found that there is tremendous pressure from schools, government, and > medical personnel to give vaccines with no thought to one vs. another. If it > were not for the very well reasoned DPT discussion, most parents would > simply follow orders. > > If you know of an able, open minded pediatrician in the Beaverton/West PDX > area, please respond. > > Thank you > -- > Dr. Abrahamson > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 >A mother can be tested right before childbirth to determine if she has HepB, and most don't, so it can be avoided for that circumstance.< 40 percent of the tests are false positives. There is a case in Colorado where a judge forced the Hep B vaccinations on an infant in the hospital because the Mom tested positive and then later the second test came back negative. This is common. Hep B is linked to many horrors including SIDS. Several hearings were held on the dangers of Hep B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 >A mother can be tested right before childbirth to determine if she has HepB, and most don't, so it can be avoided for that circumstance.< 40 percent of the tests are false positives. There is a case in Colorado where a judge forced the Hep B vaccinations on an infant in the hospital because the Mom tested positive and then later the second test came back negative. This is common. Hep B is linked to many horrors including SIDS. Several hearings were held on the dangers of Hep B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 I am sure your statistic is right, which begs the question, Why didn't this mother request a retest? How did they find out later it was a false positive? J. P. Reirdon Webmaster <http://www.featnt.org/> http://www.featnt.org " Building a Bridge of Hope " Webmaster <http://www.autismtreatment.info/> http://www.AutismTreatment.info/ You CAN treat Autism!! Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and Aperger's Syndrome from parents who have successfully helped their children. Webmaster http://www.StarThrowers.org/ <http://www.starthrowers.org/> Fundraising for In-Home treatment programs Re: Hep B >A mother can be tested right before childbirth to determine if she has HepB, and most don't, so it can be avoided for that circumstance.< 40 percent of the tests are false positives. There is a case in Colorado where a judge forced the Hep B vaccinations on an infant in the hospital because the Mom tested positive and then later the second test came back negative. This is common. Hep B is linked to many horrors including SIDS. Several hearings were held on the dangers of Hep B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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