Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 I guess I can say that I was put on Celebrex for an auto accident injury and it just happens to help my knees feel better too! Also, I got a recumbent stationary bike for FREE! It's the kind my PT guy has and really nice! Doesn't bother my knees at all. Now I just have to unbury it! Joi Knee Stuff? Hi Everybody: Anybody have any good knee-related stories or questions to post? Need a change of subject! hahaha... Take care, Doug ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 Hi, Actually, I do have a question. I'm looking for a set of knee strengthening exercises and perhaps some related stretches. I'm an endurance bicycle rider and have suffered from knee pain recently. Haven't been diagnosed officially but I suspect chondromalacia patella. Thanks! Ben. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 06:16, dougfromct2002 <dougfromct2002@...>wrote: > > > Hi Everybody: > > Anybody have any good knee-related stories or questions to post? Need a > change of subject! hahaha... > > Take care, > Doug > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 Hi Ben, One of the things to do is tighten of the quad muscle. Having strong quad muscles are very important in treating chondromalacia. It helps with stability issues that can arise. Also ham string stretches are good ones. Hope this helps. Tara On May 4, 2010, at 2:11 AM, Ben Katz wrote: > Hi, > > Actually, I do have a question. > I'm looking for a set of knee strengthening exercises and perhaps some > related stretches. > I'm an endurance bicycle rider and have suffered from knee pain recently. > Haven't been diagnosed officially but I suspect chondromalacia patella. > > Thanks! > Ben. > > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 06:16, dougfromct2002 <dougfromct2002@...>wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Everybody: > > > > Anybody have any good knee-related stories or questions to post? Need a > > change of subject! hahaha... > > > > Take care, > > Doug > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Hey Ben: Everybody is different, so its difficult to recommend a " one-size-fits-all " stretching/strengthening approach. I think stretching and strengthening are vital to keeping knees healthy, just be careful. For instance, many people in this Group advise against using a leg extension machine because of the stress it places on the knee. As a rule, if an exercise hurts more than a tiny bit, I'd avoid it. Since you ride so much, you probably would benefit more from stretching than strengthening. Hamstrings in particular can get very tight from extended time in the saddle. I also like to use foam rollers and The Stick to stretch and keep muscles loose. You can Google up plenty of info on both of those products. Sorry I don't have a better answer. On a final note, I wouldn't be surprised if your knee pain was more of a tendonitis/tendonosis issue than a cartilage issue. Have you investigated that possibility? Hope that helps, Doug > > > > > > > Hi Everybody: > > > > Anybody have any good knee-related stories or questions to post? Need a > > change of subject! hahaha... > > > > Take care, > > Doug > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Hi Doug, I was finally diagnosed today by a Knee specialist and he concluded that what I have is actually tendinitis. So Good Instincts! (Actually, I have something similar to " Jumpers Knee " which is odd since I don't do any jumping activities..) He said it was due to a flat-foot and that my outer leg bands were somewhat weak, which could have contributed to the situation. Also my right leg have a somewhat wider outer angle than my left leg. I'm relieved that its not a cartilage issue because this means that it's not the bicycle that's causing me the pain (I did have pain resulting from the bicycle but after starting to stretch, quad sets and raising the saddle, It doesn't hurt anymore). Thanks for the tips! Ben. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 18:44, dougfromct2002 <dougfromct2002@...>wrote: > > > Hey Ben: > > Everybody is different, so its difficult to recommend a " one-size-fits-all " > stretching/strengthening approach. > > I think stretching and strengthening are vital to keeping knees healthy, > just be careful. For instance, many people in this Group advise against > using a leg extension machine because of the stress it places on the knee. > As a rule, if an exercise hurts more than a tiny bit, I'd avoid it. > > Since you ride so much, you probably would benefit more from stretching > than strengthening. Hamstrings in particular can get very tight from > extended time in the saddle. I also like to use foam rollers and The Stick > to stretch and keep muscles loose. You can Google up plenty of info on both > of those products. > > Sorry I don't have a better answer. > > On a final note, I wouldn't be surprised if your knee pain was more of a > tendonitis/tendonosis issue than a cartilage issue. Have you investigated > that possibility? > > Hope that helps, > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everybody: > > > > > > Anybody have any good knee-related stories or questions to post? Need a > > > change of subject! hahaha... > > > > > > Take care, > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 I still have some knee pain, and my diagnosis was pretty clear from an mri done of my knee. BUT... there aren't very many things I haven't been able to do after I learned my individual rules. 2 years ago I participated in Race Across America, a 3000 mi in 7 days team bike race. My CP originally flared up biking. I do still have issues when I have a long slog into the wind on flat terrain where my knee hurts. The solution is for me to keep my knees close to the bike frame, good technique as it turns out, plus pay attention to the fit of the bike to my body. I have done 3 ski marathons since my diagnosis. Occasional pain, but this year was the best of the 5 since the diagnosis. My biggest surprise has been this spring. I found I could run on a treadmill last summer without pain. I studied the difference between how I ran on the treadmill and how I ran on the ground and adjusted my stride length and tempo. Turns out to be better technique. Now I am doing 30-35 minute runs with no after affects. The analysis of the MRI could have been wrong, though it looked pretty clear I have CP. But with the help and ideas of people here I have made a huge turn around. Philip - http://panmanphil.wordpress.com ________________________________ From: Ben Katz <ben.katz@...> chondromalacia treatment Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:59:38 AM Subject: Re: Knee Stuff? Hi Doug, I was finally diagnosed today by a Knee specialist and he concluded that what I have is actually tendinitis. So Good Instincts! (Actually, I have something similar to " Jumpers Knee " which is odd since I don't do any jumping activities..) He said it was due to a flat-foot and that my outer leg bands were somewhat weak, which could have contributed to the situation. Also my right leg have a somewhat wider outer angle than my left leg. I'm relieved that its not a cartilage issue because this means that it's not the bicycle that's causing me the pain (I did have pain resulting from the bicycle but after starting to stretch, quad sets and raising the saddle, It doesn't hurt anymore). Thanks for the tips! Ben. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 18:44, dougfromct2002 <dougfromct2002@...>wrote: > > > Hey Ben: > > Everybody is different, so its difficult to recommend a " one-size-fits-all " > stretching/strengthening approach. > > I think stretching and strengthening are vital to keeping knees healthy, > just be careful. For instance, many people in this Group advise against > using a leg extension machine because of the stress it places on the knee. > As a rule, if an exercise hurts more than a tiny bit, I'd avoid it. > > Since you ride so much, you probably would benefit more from stretching > than strengthening. Hamstrings in particular can get very tight from > extended time in the saddle. I also like to use foam rollers and The Stick > to stretch and keep muscles loose. You can Google up plenty of info on both > of those products. > > Sorry I don't have a better answer. > > On a final note, I wouldn't be surprised if your knee pain was more of a > tendonitis/tendonosis issue than a cartilage issue. Have you investigated > that possibility? > > Hope that helps, > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everybody: > > > > > > Anybody have any good knee-related stories or questions to post? Need a > > > change of subject! hahaha... > > > > > > Take care, > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 I'm a bit suspicious of the claim of a " clear diagnosis " of CP from an MRI. I'd love to see a link to an image that shows us all what CP looks like in an MRI. Part of the reason I ask is that I had an MRI that the specialist said showed a torn meniscus. It didn't look that way to me but hey, what do I know about reading images? Still suffering a year later, I had a 2nd MRI done (on a different MRI machine, read by a different radiologist, and different orthopod). During surgery, he found a meniscus that was perfect; instead he found CP. The photographs taken in surgery show the CP quite clearly, yet none of it showed up on the two MRIs. Don Philip wrote: > I still have some knee pain, and my diagnosis was pretty clear from an mri done of my knee.... > > The analysis of the MRI could have been wrong, though it looked pretty clear I have CP. But with the help and ideas of people here I have made a huge turn around. > > Philip - http://panmanphil.wordpress.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Hi Ben: It could still be the bike that is causing the Jumper's Knee. I think Jumper's Knee is just a catch-all diagnosis for tendonitis below the knee cap. Although you aren't technically jumping while riding, you are still putting the same types of extension forces on the knee on the down-stroke (from, about the 2 o'clock to the 6 o'clock part of the stroke). Just a thought. - Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everybody: > > > > > > > > Anybody have any good knee-related stories or questions to post? Need a > > > > change of subject! hahaha... > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Hi Doug, OK, here's a story. For 15 years my " only " problem was chondromalacia in my R knee. Two years ago I flew 2000 miles & back, and 3 days after I got back, my L knee started clicking loudly whenever I would go upstairs. After 3 days of that, the meniscus exploded. I've had 2 operations on that. And now for no reason it feels like I have medial chondromalacia in my R knee, and my knees are controlling my life. I scheduled a replacement for the left knee for Jan. 22 but my tenants asked to break their lease and oh by the way, the kitchen floor looks funny. There had been a leak going on for at least a month and I had to replace the floor, which took a couple of months because I had to let the subfloor dry out. I couldn't get bids so I had to do it myself. Then I had to put new lino in, couldn't match the old, so had to put it in both the kitchen and the DR. The piece I bought weighed over 100 lb. For moving the cut lino into the 2 rooms, I had help. Strangely, all that work didn't bother my knees as much as walking. I don't walk enough, and now my L knee (which sometimes catches on a loose piece of meniscus, which hurts like hell) wakes me up at night. Ann from WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 I wish I could post my MRI so you could see what it can look like. My cartilage had pulled away from knee cap and although the doctor never told me I had CP I later found out when I got a copy of the MRI report that stated I had grade 3 to 4 CP. On May 5, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Don Libes wrote: > I'm a bit suspicious of the claim of a " clear diagnosis " of CP from an > MRI. I'd love to see a link to an image that shows us all what CP looks > like in an MRI. > > Part of the reason I ask is that I had an MRI that the specialist said > showed a torn meniscus. It didn't look that way to me but hey, what do > I know about reading images? Still suffering a year later, I had a 2nd > MRI done (on a different MRI machine, read by a different radiologist, > and different orthopod). During surgery, he found a meniscus that was > perfect; instead he found CP. The photographs taken in surgery show the > CP quite clearly, yet none of it showed up on the two MRIs. > > Don > > Philip wrote: > > I still have some knee pain, and my diagnosis was pretty clear from an mri done of my knee.... > > > > The analysis of the MRI could have been wrong, though it looked pretty clear I have CP. But with the help and ideas of people here I have made a huge turn around. > > > > Philip - http://panmanphil.wordpress.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Yikes Ann! That's quite a story. So sorry about your knees. I hadn't heard from you in such a long time I assumed you were feeling better. Sorry that's not the case. I wish I could offer some advice, but I'm not sure how to help. Maybe try to get back to walking as best as you can. You know the drill, start with tiny distances and work your way up very slowly. If it hurts, you're probably doing too much. We're always here for you if you need someplace to vent! Hope you feel better soon and find a new tenant! Take care, Doug > > Hi Doug, > > OK, here's a story. For 15 years my " only " problem was chondromalacia in my R knee. Two years ago I flew 2000 miles & back, and 3 days after I got back, my L knee started clicking loudly whenever I would go upstairs. After 3 days of that, the meniscus exploded. I've had 2 operations on that. > > And now for no reason it feels like I have medial chondromalacia in my R knee, and my knees are controlling my life. > > I scheduled a replacement for the left knee for Jan. 22 but my tenants asked to break their lease and oh by the way, the kitchen floor looks funny. There had been a leak going on for at least a month and I had to replace the floor, which took a couple of months because I had to let the subfloor dry out. I couldn't get bids so I had to do it myself. > > Then I had to put new lino in, couldn't match the old, so had to put it in both the kitchen and the DR. The piece I bought weighed over 100 lb. For moving the cut lino into the 2 rooms, I had help. Strangely, all that work didn't bother my knees as much as walking. > > I don't walk enough, and now my L knee (which sometimes catches on a loose piece of meniscus, which hurts like hell) wakes me up at night. > > Ann from WA > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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