Re: Celiac Disease / Gluten Sensitivity (was: Skippin

[Guest guest]

Philip & Mike:

You are doing the right thing to be skeptical about anything posted here.

However, and you knew there'd be a however, you are not helping anyone by

likening my post about bone health to some snake-oil salesman hawking

alkalinizing water or coral calcium supplements. Again, you don't know me, but

I assure you I'm not an idiot -- I've done my homework. Alkalinizing water is a

joke, as are all the supplements that supposedly help with acid-alkaline

balance. That isn't what I'm talking about. It was really about food choices

and staying away from a few foods that I know wreak havoc with the human body

and prevent you from absorbing nutrients as you should.

Gluten is bad for you. I know it is and so does every single nutritionist who

knows his/her stuff. Dairy is bad for you too. Both these foods cause an

auto-immune response in the body, damage the villi in the intestines and lead to

a variety of health problems. If you don't believe me (and it seems that you

are determined not to), dig around some more -- just Google " gluten villi " or

anything along those lines. Or, better yet, try it yourself. Completely

eliminate gluten and dairy from your diet for 60 days, and see how you look,

feel and perform.

Pay attention to how your stomach feels, how well you sleep, how well you

perform when you exercise, etc. Just try it and be honest with yourself. 100%

elimination. 95% doesn't work because of the damaging effects of even that

small amount.

As far as the acid-alkaline balance stuff goes, yeah, that's important too, and

it has been backed up by scientific studies. Quackwatch and all those other

links were talking about supplements and other huckster stuff and I agree with

them. I Googled up about a dozen real papers with one search. Here are two:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/460440

http://www.alkaline-alkaline.com/bone_health.PDF

This is a great article too, very well-cited:

http://www.bodyfatguide.com/HowDairyProductsCauseOsteoporosis.htm

Mike, even the links you posted (which were meant to discredit me) admit:

" some evidence suggesting that an alkaline diet might aid bone health "

and

" your blood never becomes acidic because as soon as the proteins are converted

to organic acids, calcium leaves your bones to neutralize the acid and prevent

any change in pH. Because of this, many scientists think that taking in too much

protein may weaken bones to cause osteoporosis. "

and

" another way that your body balances pH is to pull calcium from the bones. So,

it follows that eating too many acid-forming foods might promote bone loss. "

Again, these are from the links that you provided. Don't you think that if you

have osteoporosis or osteopenia that you should really dig deeply into this

matter and figure it out for yourself?

Hope that helps clear some of this up. I appreciate your healthy skepticism.

Take care,

Doug

> >

> >

> > > One of the big problems with Celiac (or even just a gluten sensitivity)

is that it damages your intestines, which leads to your body being unable to

absorb nutrients. More here:

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celiac_disease

> >

> > always beware of self diagnosis on something like this. You need actual

facts to make a diagnosis and don't have them without tests. I also know from a

LOT of personal experience in other fields that most people don't have a clue

how to troubleshoot/diagnose problems. It is a slowly developed skill and one

you don't get from reading a few books or web sites. Most people do not

recognize the importance of the facts and how they relate to one another. And,

most people don't know when to give up on their current hypothesis and start

fresh with a new one.

> >

> > > ... read this article about osteoporosis and diet. Most people

> > > get this wrong. Milk and cheese (loaded with calcium) can actually

weaken bones

> > > because of their acidifying effect on your body. Your body actually

leaches

> > > calcium out of your bones to buffer the acid load of dairy products and

other

> > > net-acid foods.

> > > http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/acid.shtml

> >

> > What??!! Are you thinking that milk or cheeses are higher in acid than a

tomato or orange, or worse a lemon? C'mon here people.

> >

> > Full disclosure here, I am from the dairy state, Wisconsin ;-)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Wow. What can I say. Yes, Celiac disease is real, and is very serious for

those who have it. As you correctly pointed out, there have been some research

that might suggest an alkaline diet might show some promise towards preventing

calcium loss. I showed the other sites to show an alternative point of view.

As I said in the post that seemed to disappear, I feel much better since I went

to a wheat and low fat diet including dairy from a high fat diet most Americans

are eating. I just had a whole wheat sandwich with mustard and ham and some

orange sherbet and feel great! My Chondromalacia responds fabulously to simply

wearing compression socks, but I wouldn't be so naive as to believe compression

socks are going to work for everyone who has chondromalacia.

Mike

MT

Re: Celiac Disease / Gluten Sensitivity

(was: Skippin

Philip & Mike:

You are doing the right thing to be skeptical about anything posted here.

However, and you knew there'd be a however, you are not helping anyone by

likening my post about bone health to some snake-oil salesman hawking

alkalinizing water or coral calcium supplements. Again, you don't know me, but I

assure you I'm not an idiot -- I've done my homework. Alkalinizing water is a

joke, as are all the supplements that supposedly help with acid-alkaline

balance. That isn't what I'm talking about. It was really about food choices and

staying away from a few foods that I know wreak havoc with the human body and

prevent you from absorbing nutrients as you should.

Gluten is bad for you. I know it is and so does every single nutritionist who

knows his/her stuff. Dairy is bad for you too. Both these foods cause an

auto-immune response in the body, damage the villi in the intestines and lead to

a variety of health problems. If you don't believe me (and it seems that you are

determined not to), dig around some more -- just Google " gluten villi " or

anything along those lines. Or, better yet, try it yourself. Completely

eliminate gluten and dairy from your diet for 60 days, and see how you look,

feel and perform.

Pay attention to how your stomach feels, how well you sleep, how well you

perform when you exercise, etc. Just try it and be honest with yourself. 100%

elimination. 95% doesn't work because of the damaging effects of even that small

amount.

As far as the acid-alkaline balance stuff goes, yeah, that's important too,

and it has been backed up by scientific studies. Quackwatch and all those other

links were talking about supplements and other huckster stuff and I agree with

them. I Googled up about a dozen real papers with one search. Here are two:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/460440

http://www.alkaline-alkaline.com/bone_health.PDF

This is a great article too, very well-cited:

http://www.bodyfatguide.com/HowDairyProductsCauseOsteoporosis.htm

Mike, even the links you posted (which were meant to discredit me) admit:

" some evidence suggesting that an alkaline diet might aid bone health "

and

" your blood never becomes acidic because as soon as the proteins are converted

to organic acids, calcium leaves your bones to neutralize the acid and prevent

any change in pH. Because of this, many scientists think that taking in too much

protein may weaken bones to cause osteoporosis. "

and

" another way that your body balances pH is to pull calcium from the bones. So,

it follows that eating too many acid-forming foods might promote bone loss. "

Again, these are from the links that you provided. Don't you think that if you

have osteoporosis or osteopenia that you should really dig deeply into this

matter and figure it out for yourself?

Hope that helps clear some of this up. I appreciate your healthy skepticism.

Take care,

Doug

> >

> >

> > > One of the big problems with Celiac (or even just a gluten sensitivity)

is that it damages your intestines, which leads to your body being unable to

absorb nutrients. More here:

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celiac_disease

> >

> > always beware of self diagnosis on something like this. You need actual

facts to make a diagnosis and don't have them without tests. I also know from a

LOT of personal experience in other fields that most people don't have a clue

how to troubleshoot/diagnose problems. It is a slowly developed skill and one

you don't get from reading a few books or web sites. Most people do not

recognize the importance of the facts and how they relate to one another. And,

most people don't know when to give up on their current hypothesis and start

fresh with a new one.

> >

> > > ... read this article about osteoporosis and diet. Most people

> > > get this wrong. Milk and cheese (loaded with calcium) can actually

weaken bones

> > > because of their acidifying effect on your body. Your body actually

leaches

> > > calcium out of your bones to buffer the acid load of dairy products and

other

> > > net-acid foods.

> > > http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/acid.shtml

> >

> > What??!! Are you thinking that milk or cheeses are higher in acid than a

tomato or orange, or worse a lemon? C'mon here people.

> >

> > Full disclosure here, I am from the dairy state, Wisconsin ;-)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This is actually interesting. I haven't read each link yet as I'm really

busy this week, but will do so when I can find the time.

I do have a question...for anyone...why do doctors say to get calcium via

low-fat milk, low-fat cheese, dark green leafy veggies, etc if milk/dairy

products are so bad for you? Also, why do dieticians and docs say to eat

whole grains if they are so bad for you? I can understand with some medical

problems not eating those things, but if done in good proportions to other

healthy foods, why would they be bad/forbidden in a person that would be

considered healthy (maybe not weight but with out disease)?

Joi

Re: Celiac Disease / Gluten Sensitivity

(was: Skippin

Wow. What can I say. Yes, Celiac disease is real, and is very serious for

those who have it. As you correctly pointed out, there have been some

research that might suggest an alkaline diet might show some promise towards

preventing calcium loss. I showed the other sites to show an alternative

point of view. As I said in the post that seemed to disappear, I feel much

better since I went to a wheat and low fat diet including dairy from a high

fat diet most Americans are eating. I just had a whole wheat sandwich with

mustard and ham and some orange sherbet and feel great! My Chondromalacia

responds fabulously to simply wearing compression socks, but I wouldn't be

so naive as to believe compression socks are going to work for everyone who

has chondromalacia.

Mike

MT

Re: Celiac Disease / Gluten

Sensitivity (was: Skippin

Philip & Mike:

You are doing the right thing to be skeptical about anything posted here.

However, and you knew there'd be a however, you are not helping anyone by

likening my post about bone health to some snake-oil salesman hawking

alkalinizing water or coral calcium supplements. Again, you don't know me,

but I assure you I'm not an idiot -- I've done my homework. Alkalinizing

water is a joke, as are all the supplements that supposedly help with

acid-alkaline balance. That isn't what I'm talking about. It was really

about food choices and staying away from a few foods that I know wreak havoc

with the human body and prevent you from absorbing nutrients as you should.

Gluten is bad for you. I know it is and so does every single nutritionist

who knows his/her stuff. Dairy is bad for you too. Both these foods cause an

auto-immune response in the body, damage the villi in the intestines and

lead to a variety of health problems. If you don't believe me (and it seems

that you are determined not to), dig around some more -- just Google " gluten

villi " or anything along those lines. Or, better yet, try it yourself.

Completely eliminate gluten and dairy from your diet for 60 days, and see

how you look, feel and perform.

Pay attention to how your stomach feels, how well you sleep, how well you

perform when you exercise, etc. Just try it and be honest with yourself.

100% elimination. 95% doesn't work because of the damaging effects of even

that small amount.

As far as the acid-alkaline balance stuff goes, yeah, that's important

too, and it has been backed up by scientific studies. Quackwatch and all

those other links were talking about supplements and other huckster stuff

and I agree with them. I Googled up about a dozen real papers with one

search. Here are two:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/460440

http://www.alkaline-alkaline.com/bone_health.PDF

This is a great article too, very well-cited:

http://www.bodyfatguide.com/HowDairyProductsCauseOsteoporosis.htm

Mike, even the links you posted (which were meant to discredit me) admit:

" some evidence suggesting that an alkaline diet might aid bone health "

and

" your blood never becomes acidic because as soon as the proteins are

converted to organic acids, calcium leaves your bones to neutralize the acid

and prevent any change in pH. Because of this, many scientists think that

taking in too much protein may weaken bones to cause osteoporosis. "

and

" another way that your body balances pH is to pull calcium from the bones.

So, it follows that eating too many acid-forming foods might promote bone

loss. "

Again, these are from the links that you provided. Don't you think that if

you have osteoporosis or osteopenia that you should really dig deeply into

this matter and figure it out for yourself?

Hope that helps clear some of this up. I appreciate your healthy

skepticism.

Take care,

Doug

> >

> >

> > > One of the big problems with Celiac (or even just a gluten

sensitivity) is that it damages your intestines, which leads to your body

being unable to absorb nutrients. More here:

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celiac_disease

> >

> > always beware of self diagnosis on something like this. You need

actual facts to make a diagnosis and don't have them without tests. I also

know from a LOT of personal experience in other fields that most people

don't have a clue how to troubleshoot/diagnose problems. It is a slowly

developed skill and one you don't get from reading a few books or web sites.

Most people do not recognize the importance of the facts and how they relate

to one another. And, most people don't know when to give up on their current

hypothesis and start fresh with a new one.

> >

> > > ... read this article about osteoporosis and diet. Most people

> > > get this wrong. Milk and cheese (loaded with calcium) can actually

weaken bones

> > > because of their acidifying effect on your body. Your body actually

leaches

> > > calcium out of your bones to buffer the acid load of dairy products

and other

> > > net-acid foods.

> > > http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/acid.shtml

> >

> > What??!! Are you thinking that milk or cheeses are higher in acid than

a tomato or orange, or worse a lemon? C'mon here people.

> >

> > Full disclosure here, I am from the dairy state, Wisconsin ;-)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Joi:

I've got to tread very lightly here, so I don't stir up another hornet's nest...

But to answer your question, in my opinion, the main problem with doctors and

nutritionists is that it takes such a long time to change the current way of

thinking.

Take, for example, the egg. The egg was shunned for years because some study (I

think in the 60's or 70's) showed that deposits in clogged arteries were made up

of cholesterol. The knee-jerk reaction was, don't eat anything containing

cholesterol and you won't get clogged arteries. The problem is, the less

cholesterol you eat, the more your liver will produce, and about 80% of the

cholesterol in your body is produced by the liver, not taken in by the mouth.

Not that cholesterol is necessarily bad. Depends on HDL, LDL and triglyceride

levels. But that's a whole seperate topic.

Eggs are high on the list of cholesterol-containing foods, so people associated

them with clogged arteries. Many people (maybe most) still do. The truth is,

eating eggs is not bad for your heart.

" The only large study to look at the impact of egg consumption on heart

disease—not on cholesterol levels or other intermediaries—found no connection

between the two. "

http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_releases/egg-nutrition

But think about how long it has taken for this message to even start to get out.

Its the same with everything else. Change takes time.

The same sorta thing is taking place with dairy. The thinking is: Dairy

products have calcium. Bones are made of calcium. Therefore, eating dairy is

good for your bones. Sadly, its not that simple.

I could go on (and on and on and on), but the bottom line, as always, is dig

around yourself. Read, read, read, read. Experiment. A few places to start:

http://whole9life.com/2010/03/the-grain-manifesto/

http://www.norcalsc.com/index.php/post/norcal_nutrition_are_we_crazy/

Or if you are really bored (ha!):

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/81/2/341

Yikes. That was longer than I wanted it to be. Joi (or anyone else who has

made it this far), please email me directly if you want to discuss this further.

Happy to chat about it (as you could probably guess! hahahaha).

Take care,

Doug

dougfromct2002@...

> > >

> > >

> > > > One of the big problems with Celiac (or even just a gluten

> sensitivity) is that it damages your intestines, which leads to your body

> being unable to absorb nutrients. More here:

> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celiac_disease

> > >

> > > always beware of self diagnosis on something like this. You need

> actual facts to make a diagnosis and don't have them without tests. I also

> know from a LOT of personal experience in other fields that most people

> don't have a clue how to troubleshoot/diagnose problems. It is a slowly

> developed skill and one you don't get from reading a few books or web sites.

> Most people do not recognize the importance of the facts and how they relate

> to one another. And, most people don't know when to give up on their current

> hypothesis and start fresh with a new one.

> > >

> > > > ... read this article about osteoporosis and diet. Most people

> > > > get this wrong. Milk and cheese (loaded with calcium) can actually

> weaken bones

> > > > because of their acidifying effect on your body. Your body actually

> leaches

> > > > calcium out of your bones to buffer the acid load of dairy products

> and other

> > > > net-acid foods.

> > > > http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/acid.shtml

> > >

> > > What??!! Are you thinking that milk or cheeses are higher in acid than

> a tomato or orange, or worse a lemon? C'mon here people.

> > >

> > > Full disclosure here, I am from the dairy state, Wisconsin ;-)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I think it would be a good idea to consult with a registered dietician if I had

a question about diet. I think they are about the most important and

underutilized section of our health care industry. Too many quacks out there.

Here is a quote from the Harvard study in Doug's post;

f you like eggs, eating one a day should be okay, especially if you cut back on

saturated and trans fats. Other ways to enjoy eggs without worrying about

cholesterol include not eating the yolk, which contains all the cholesterol, or

using pourable egg whites or yolk-free egg substitutes.

I cannot eat eggs, but I do enjoy egg beaters. The western omlet sandwich at

Subway with egg whites is fabulous. I would be willing to bet at least 99% of

registered dieticians would highly recommend low fat dairy products to be an

excellent source of calcium.

Mike

MT

Re: Celiac Disease / Gluten Sensitivity

(was: Skippin

Joi:

I've got to tread very lightly here, so I don't stir up another hornet's

nest...

But to answer your question, in my opinion, the main problem with doctors and

nutritionists is that it takes such a long time to change the current way of

thinking.

Take, for example, the egg. The egg was shunned for years because some study

(I think in the 60's or 70's) showed that deposits in clogged arteries were made

up of cholesterol. The knee-jerk reaction was, don't eat anything containing

cholesterol and you won't get clogged arteries. The problem is, the less

cholesterol you eat, the more your liver will produce, and about 80% of the

cholesterol in your body is produced by the liver, not taken in by the mouth.

Not that cholesterol is necessarily bad. Depends on HDL, LDL and triglyceride

levels. But that's a whole seperate topic.

Eggs are high on the list of cholesterol-containing foods, so people

associated them with clogged arteries. Many people (maybe most) still do. The

truth is, eating eggs is not bad for your heart.

" The only large study to look at the impact of egg consumption on heart

disease-not on cholesterol levels or other intermediaries-found no connection

between the two. "

http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_releases/egg-nutrition

But think about how long it has taken for this message to even start to get

out. Its the same with everything else. Change takes time.

The same sorta thing is taking place with dairy. The thinking is: Dairy

products have calcium. Bones are made of calcium. Therefore, eating dairy is

good for your bones. Sadly, its not that simple.

I could go on (and on and on and on), but the bottom line, as always, is dig

around yourself. Read, read, read, read. Experiment. A few places to start:

http://whole9life.com/2010/03/the-grain-manifesto/

http://www.norcalsc.com/index.php/post/norcal_nutrition_are_we_crazy/

Or if you are really bored (ha!):

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/81/2/341

Yikes. That was longer than I wanted it to be. Joi (or anyone else who has

made it this far), please email me directly if you want to discuss this further.

Happy to chat about it (as you could probably guess! hahahaha).

Take care,

Doug

dougfromct2002@...

> > >

> > >

> > > > One of the big problems with Celiac (or even just a gluten

> sensitivity) is that it damages your intestines, which leads to your body

> being unable to absorb nutrients. More here:

> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celiac_disease

> > >

> > > always beware of self diagnosis on something like this. You need

> actual facts to make a diagnosis and don't have them without tests. I also

> know from a LOT of personal experience in other fields that most people

> don't have a clue how to troubleshoot/diagnose problems. It is a slowly

> developed skill and one you don't get from reading a few books or web sites.

> Most people do not recognize the importance of the facts and how they relate

> to one another. And, most people don't know when to give up on their current

> hypothesis and start fresh with a new one.

> > >

> > > > ... read this article about osteoporosis and diet. Most people

> > > > get this wrong. Milk and cheese (loaded with calcium) can actually

> weaken bones

> > > > because of their acidifying effect on your body. Your body actually

> leaches

> > > > calcium out of your bones to buffer the acid load of dairy products

> and other

> > > > net-acid foods.

> > > > http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/acid.shtml

> > >

> > > What??!! Are you thinking that milk or cheeses are higher in acid than

> a tomato or orange, or worse a lemon? C'mon here people.

> > >

> > > Full disclosure here, I am from the dairy state, Wisconsin ;-)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Its funny.. I knew that " one egg per day should be okay " line would come back to

haunt me, but as I said, people are very slow to react. At least it was a step

in the right direction and I wanted to post something that was from what you

would consider to be a " reputable " source. Funny that the author cites a study

that says there is no correlation between eating eggs and heart disease, but

still hedges. Which leads me to...

By all means, you should all consult a dozen registered dieticians, but don't

assume any of them know what they are talking about. Some do, many haven't a

clue.

As with Chondromalacia, you have to do the work yourself and I urge you all to

read all you can from as many different perspectives as possible. That's all

I've ever really tried to do here.

Take care and good luck,

Doug

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > One of the big problems with Celiac (or even just a gluten

> > sensitivity) is that it damages your intestines, which leads to your body

> > being unable to absorb nutrients. More here:

> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celiac_disease

> > > >

> > > > always beware of self diagnosis on something like this. You need

> > actual facts to make a diagnosis and don't have them without tests. I also

> > know from a LOT of personal experience in other fields that most people

> > don't have a clue how to troubleshoot/diagnose problems. It is a slowly

> > developed skill and one you don't get from reading a few books or web

sites.

> > Most people do not recognize the importance of the facts and how they

relate

> > to one another. And, most people don't know when to give up on their

current

> > hypothesis and start fresh with a new one.

> > > >

> > > > > ... read this article about osteoporosis and diet. Most people

> > > > > get this wrong. Milk and cheese (loaded with calcium) can actually

> > weaken bones

> > > > > because of their acidifying effect on your body. Your body actually

> > leaches

> > > > > calcium out of your bones to buffer the acid load of dairy products

> > and other

> > > > > net-acid foods.

> > > > > http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/acid.shtml

> > > >

> > > > What??!! Are you thinking that milk or cheeses are higher in acid than

> > a tomato or orange, or worse a lemon? C'mon here people.

> > > >

> > > > Full disclosure here, I am from the dairy state, Wisconsin ;-)

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Before a dietician can get registered, they need to know the science. There are

no bad foods, only bad diets. That is the actual science behind dairy, eggs,

wheat, or any other food for that matter. The worst thing I can eat is fat, but

it wouldn't be healthy for me to get less than 20% of my calories from fat. A

registered dietician knows exactly what I am saying. I am sure I could fit one

egg a day into my diet if I so chose.

Mike

MT

Re: Celiac Disease / Gluten Sensitivity

(was: Skippin

Its funny.. I knew that " one egg per day should be okay " line would come back

to haunt me, but as I said, people are very slow to react. At least it was a

step in the right direction and I wanted to post something that was from what

you would consider to be a " reputable " source. Funny that the author cites a

study that says there is no correlation between eating eggs and heart disease,

but still hedges. Which leads me to...

By all means, you should all consult a dozen registered dieticians, but don't

assume any of them know what they are talking about. Some do, many haven't a

clue.

As with Chondromalacia, you have to do the work yourself and I urge you all to

read all you can from as many different perspectives as possible. That's all

I've ever really tried to do here.

Take care and good luck,

Doug

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > One of the big problems with Celiac (or even just a gluten

> > sensitivity) is that it damages your intestines, which leads to your body

> > being unable to absorb nutrients. More here:

> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celiac_disease

> > > >

> > > > always beware of self diagnosis on something like this. You need

> > actual facts to make a diagnosis and don't have them without tests. I also

> > know from a LOT of personal experience in other fields that most people

> > don't have a clue how to troubleshoot/diagnose problems. It is a slowly

> > developed skill and one you don't get from reading a few books or web

sites.

> > Most people do not recognize the importance of the facts and how they

relate

> > to one another. And, most people don't know when to give up on their

current

> > hypothesis and start fresh with a new one.

> > > >

> > > > > ... read this article about osteoporosis and diet. Most people

> > > > > get this wrong. Milk and cheese (loaded with calcium) can actually

> > weaken bones

> > > > > because of their acidifying effect on your body. Your body actually

> > leaches

> > > > > calcium out of your bones to buffer the acid load of dairy products

> > and other

> > > > > net-acid foods.

> > > > > http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/acid.shtml

> > > >

> > > > What??!! Are you thinking that milk or cheeses are higher in acid than

> > a tomato or orange, or worse a lemon? C'mon here people.

> > > >

> > > > Full disclosure here, I am from the dairy state, Wisconsin ;-)

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

You're right Mike. This is a knee group. Lemme just post what I promised I

would post about testing and we can move on. I happen to believe that much of

this is relevant to knee pain. Everything in the body is connected and if we

want our knees (and other joints) to be healthy, we have to try to identify

those things that are making us less than optimally healthy. If you don't think

the posts are relevant to you, by all means, skip them.

Anyway...

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Regarding testing for gluten intolerance, according to Dr. Wangen's book, here's

what you need your doctor to do:

- First test Total IgA (Ig = immunoglobulin, A = antibody)

- If IgA is deficient, then run IgG gliaden and IgG tissue transglutaminase

tests since other IgA tests will not be accurate

- If IgA is fine, then run gliaden IgA and IgG.

- If both are negative, you are not gluten intolerant

- If either is positive, you are gluten intolerant

Confusing, I know. But your doctor should know all the lingo. If he/she

doesn't, find a new doc!

Oh.. and you have to eat gluten for the antibodies to show up. If you don't

want to do that to yourself, just stick with the elimination diet since it

works.

Again, email me directly (dougfromct2002@...) if you want to continue to

discuss this. I don't want to get too far off topic for the Group.

Take care,

Doug

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> > I understand you can get a false negative on the celiac test up to 20% of

the time as I recall, even if you are eating a regular level of gluten.

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> > > Had you been eating gluten-free before the celiac blood test? If so, you

would show up negative even if you have celiac.

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> > No, I had read that eating gluten free before the test could give a false

negative so I ate gluten before the test.

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> > Thanks for the tips,

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