Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Can anybody on the ground there verify that anything like this is happening or is this a wildly imaginative journalist practicing for a career as a fiction writer? Culled from NOL News Service Ambulance accusations: The head of mission of a European humanitarian agency with staff in Falluja told BBC News Online that, according to his staff, two of their ambulances had been shot at. " By who? The probability is by US snipers, " he said. Asked whether these were warning or attacking shots, he said: " One was shot two or three times - a sniper does not shoot an ambulance three times by mistake. " British aid worker Jo Wilding said an ambulance she was in, with flashing lights, siren blaring and " ambulance " written on it in English, was hit as it drove to collect a woman in premature labour. Ms Wilding is sure the shots came from American troops. " You can tell the shape of US marine from a mujahideen - even if you can only see a silhouette, the helmet and flak jacket are quite distinctive. Also, we were in a US-controlled part of town, " she told BBC News Online. Iraqi doctor Salam al-Obaidi, a member of the Doctors for Iraq humanitarian society, worked in Falluja for six days during te fighting. Speaking to BBC News Online, he described seeing colleagues blown up in an ambulance - also clearly marked - travelling in front of him as his team tried to enter a US-controlled area. " I saw the ambulance disappear - not all of it, but the front of it, the side where the driver and paramedic were, " he said. He said he and two more colleagues were injured in a second explosion. He still does not know the fate of the two people in the first ambulance. In a separate incident, Dr Obaidi said, a driver and paramedic in an ambulance were shot in a US-controlled area - one in the chest, the other in the eyes. The injured civilians inside the ambulance bled to death during the next two days as warning shots were fired when the team tried - four times - to return to collect the ambulance, he said. 'Hidden weapons': Three days into the siege, Lt. Gen. , the top commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, denied that troops were firing on ambulances. " If we're shooting vehicles,it's because those vehicles have shot at us, " he said. US officials have said that on one occasion, an insurgent gunman was seen fleeing in an ambulance, and that weapons have been found in an aid convoy west of the city. Coalition military spokesman Brigadier General Mark Kimmit said that there have been " a lot of people running around the city with blankets on their vehicles asserting that they are ambulances " . There was concern that these could have been loaded with explosives, he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Well I am glad I'm in my sick bay in the north sea. For all those lads out there, just keep your heads down. Our thoughts are with you. Stuart Wilkie ex RAMC and all round good bloke is serving in Basra. If anyone out there bumps into the Ginger Minger say Fech says hello and to get home in one piece. Take care lads, Trust me, 2000 miles an hour lead poisoning is not a good way to go. We all think we are bullet proof during times of trouble, but as you can see from the letter our college has entered below, our red crosses don't always repel fire. Enemy or otherwise. Once again take care all out there and look out for the Pale blue Ginger Cockney Jock. Fechan. Any truth here? Can anybody on the ground there verify that anything like this is happening or is this a wildly imaginative journalist practicing for a career as a fiction writer? Culled from NOL News Service Ambulance accusations: The head of mission of a European humanitarian agency with staff in Falluja told BBC News Online that, according to his staff, two of their ambulances had been shot at. " By who? The probability is by US snipers, " he said. Asked whether these were warning or attacking shots, he said: " One was shot two or three times - a sniper does not shoot an ambulance three times by mistake. " British aid worker Jo Wilding said an ambulance she was in, with flashing lights, siren blaring and " ambulance " written on it in English, was hit as it drove to collect a woman in premature labour. Ms Wilding is sure the shots came from American troops. " You can tell the shape of US marine from a mujahideen - even if you can only see a silhouette, the helmet and flak jacket are quite distinctive. Also, we were in a US-controlled part of town, " she told BBC News Online. Iraqi doctor Salam al-Obaidi, a member of the Doctors for Iraq humanitarian society, worked in Falluja for six days during te fighting. Speaking to BBC News Online, he described seeing colleagues blown up in an ambulance - also clearly marked - travelling in front of him as his team tried to enter a US-controlled area. " I saw the ambulance disappear - not all of it, but the front of it, the side where the driver and paramedic were, " he said. He said he and two more colleagues were injured in a second explosion. He still does not know the fate of the two people in the first ambulance. In a separate incident, Dr Obaidi said, a driver and paramedic in an ambulance were shot in a US-controlled area - one in the chest, the other in the eyes. The injured civilians inside the ambulance bled to death during the next two days as warning shots were fired when the team tried - four times - to return to collect the ambulance, he said. 'Hidden weapons': Three days into the siege, Lt. Gen. , the top commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, denied that troops were firing on ambulances. " If we're shooting vehicles,it's because those vehicles have shot at us, " he said. US officials have said that on one occasion, an insurgent gunman was seen fleeing in an ambulance, and that weapons have been found in an aid convoy west of the city. Coalition military spokesman Brigadier General Mark Kimmit said that there have been " a lot of people running around the city with blankets on their vehicles asserting that they are ambulances " . There was concern that these could have been loaded with explosives, he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 interesting. as ex brit army and ex red cross- 1-Most N Ireland vets have been attacked whilst in army ambys before,to some extent. 2-nearly all aid workers I have ever met, wouldnt know who was shooting or from where-even if they did stick their head up for the long period needed to do this for an untrained civillian.and of course not get hit. 3-the red cross pulled out didnt they? leaving those aid agencies who end up acting as field hospitals for enemy fighters.french and belgic medicine sans frontiers have done this in the past(dutch one seems more balanced),and most aid workers who dont work under the red cross rules of nuetrality tend to be polemic to an extreme.. Most of us older military gents have no intention of heading to a place where it seems all are against you-including folk from home-some fighting for the enemy,some doing propaganda for them. and who exactly is the enemy,and why? how the hell do the western world get out of this mess? I am in georgia just now, and who would have thought that the soviet union would be a safe posting 15 years ago. Maybe iraq will be peacefull in the next 15. good luck to all out there. try to stay safe. but guys-is it worth it? Your friends and families are the most important thing. Fraser --- " GALAXY1-MEDIC, (Aberdeen) " <galaxy1-medic@...> wrote: > Well I am glad I'm in my sick bay in the north sea. > For all those lads out there, just keep your heads > down. > Our thoughts are with you. > Stuart Wilkie ex RAMC and all round good bloke is > serving in Basra. > If anyone out there bumps into the Ginger Minger say > Fech says hello and to > get home in one piece. > Take care lads, > Trust me, 2000 miles an hour lead poisoning is not a > good way to go. > We all think we are bullet proof during times of > trouble, but as you can see > from the letter our college has entered below, our > red crosses don't always > repel fire. Enemy or otherwise. > Once again take care all out there and look out for > the Pale blue Ginger > Cockney Jock. > > Fechan. > > Any truth here? > > > Can anybody on the ground there verify that anything > like this is happening > > or is this a wildly imaginative journalist > practicing for a career as a > fiction writer? > Culled from NOL News Service > Ambulance accusations: > The head of mission of a European humanitarian > agency with staff in > Falluja told BBC News Online that, according to his > staff, two of their > ambulances had been shot at. > > > " By who? The probability is by US snipers, " he said. > > Asked whether these were warning or attacking > shots, he said: " One was > shot two or three times - a sniper does not shoot > an ambulance three > times by mistake. " > > British aid worker Jo Wilding said an ambulance she > was in, with flashing > lights, siren blaring and " ambulance " written on it > in English, was hit > as it drove to collect a woman in premature labour. > > Ms Wilding is sure the shots came from American > troops. > > " You can tell the shape of US marine from a > mujahideen - even if you can > only see a silhouette, the helmet and flak jacket > are quite distinctive. > Also, we were in a US-controlled part of town, " she > told BBC News Online. > > Iraqi doctor Salam al-Obaidi, a member of the > Doctors for Iraq > humanitarian society, worked in Falluja for six > days during te fighting. > > Speaking to BBC News Online, he described seeing > colleagues blown up in > an ambulance - also clearly marked - travelling in > front of him as his > team tried to enter a US-controlled area. > > " I saw the ambulance disappear - not all of it, but > the front of it, the > side where the driver and paramedic were, " he said. > > > He said he and two more colleagues were injured in > a second explosion. He > still does not know the fate of the two people in > the first ambulance. > > In a separate incident, Dr Obaidi said, a driver > and paramedic in an > ambulance were shot in a US-controlled area - one > in the chest, the other > in the eyes. > > The injured civilians inside the ambulance bled to > death during the next > two days as warning shots were fired when the team > tried - four times - > to return to collect the ambulance, he said. > > 'Hidden weapons': > Three days into the siege, Lt. Gen. , > the top commander of > U.S. forces in Iraq, denied that troops were firing > on ambulances. > > > " If we're shooting vehicles,it's because those > vehicles have shot at > us, " he said. > > US officials have said that on one occasion, an > insurgent gunman was seen > fleeing in an ambulance, and that weapons have been > found in an aid > convoy west of the city. > > Coalition military spokesman Brigadier General Mark > Kimmit said that > there have been " a lot of people running around the > city with blankets on > their vehicles asserting that they are ambulances " . > > There was concern that these could have been loaded > with explosives, he > said. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & > unsubscriptions) should be sent to > the list owner. > > Post message: egroups > > Please visit our website > http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > Regards > > The Remote Medics Team > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Fech, well said. Take care and duck boys and girls..... Mitch " GALAXY1-MEDIC, (Aberdeen) " <galaxy1-medic@...> wrote: Well I am glad I'm in my sick bay in the north sea. For all those lads out there, just keep your heads down. Our thoughts are with you. Stuart Wilkie ex RAMC and all round good bloke is serving in Basra. If anyone out there bumps into the Ginger Minger say Fech says hello and to get home in one piece. Take care lads, Trust me, 2000 miles an hour lead poisoning is not a good way to go. We all think we are bullet proof during times of trouble, but as you can see from the letter our college has entered below, our red crosses don't always repel fire. Enemy or otherwise. Once again take care all out there and look out for the Pale blue Ginger Cockney Jock. Fechan. Any truth here? Can anybody on the ground there verify that anything like this is happening or is this a wildly imaginative journalist practicing for a career as a fiction writer? Culled from NOL News Service Ambulance accusations: The head of mission of a European humanitarian agency with staff in Falluja told BBC News Online that, according to his staff, two of their ambulances had been shot at. " By who? The probability is by US snipers, " he said. Asked whether these were warning or attacking shots, he said: " One was shot two or three times - a sniper does not shoot an ambulance three times by mistake. " British aid worker Jo Wilding said an ambulance she was in, with flashing lights, siren blaring and " ambulance " written on it in English, was hit as it drove to collect a woman in premature labour. Ms Wilding is sure the shots came from American troops. " You can tell the shape of US marine from a mujahideen - even if you can only see a silhouette, the helmet and flak jacket are quite distinctive. Also, we were in a US-controlled part of town, " she told BBC News Online. Iraqi doctor Salam al-Obaidi, a member of the Doctors for Iraq humanitarian society, worked in Falluja for six days during te fighting. Speaking to BBC News Online, he described seeing colleagues blown up in an ambulance - also clearly marked - travelling in front of him as his team tried to enter a US-controlled area. " I saw the ambulance disappear - not all of it, but the front of it, the side where the driver and paramedic were, " he said. He said he and two more colleagues were injured in a second explosion. He still does not know the fate of the two people in the first ambulance. In a separate incident, Dr Obaidi said, a driver and paramedic in an ambulance were shot in a US-controlled area - one in the chest, the other in the eyes. The injured civilians inside the ambulance bled to death during the next two days as warning shots were fired when the team tried - four times - to return to collect the ambulance, he said. 'Hidden weapons': Three days into the siege, Lt. Gen. , the top commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, denied that troops were firing on ambulances. " If we're shooting vehicles,it's because those vehicles have shot at us, " he said. US officials have said that on one occasion, an insurgent gunman was seen fleeing in an ambulance, and that weapons have been found in an aid convoy west of the city. Coalition military spokesman Brigadier General Mark Kimmit said that there have been " a lot of people running around the city with blankets on their vehicles asserting that they are ambulances " . There was concern that these could have been loaded with explosives, he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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