RE: Lifepak 12 defibrillators

[Guest guest]

The LP 12 is great. I have used it on the road as well as in the air. It

does pretty much what you need from a monitor defib. If you get all the

attachments they can do capnography, PO2, NIBP, 12 chanel, pacing,

Sync. cardiovert. They are easy to use and are reasonably rugged. They

do code summary which makes it easier after an arrest or anytime where

it is hard to write.

If I had the money I'd by one for my private business.

Cheers,

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Lifepak 12 defibrillators

Does anyone on the list have experience in using Lifepak 12

defib/monitors?

There's a strong possibilty that we may be replacing all existing defibs

with them but having never even seen one in the flesh I would value some

advice!

Points I specifically need to evaluate:

1. User friendliness

2. Has anyone used them in non aeromed (i.e. bog standard) Bell 212 or

Sikorsky S76 helicopters?

3. Reliability

Best regardss,

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Hi

We've got one on the NNP, & I'm not overly impressed - It's a VERY costly bit of

kit and is not as user friendly as others I've used...

the battery charger alone is nearly £2000, ! it would cost us about £3000 to

have a BP unit added ! ...

they now do a biphasic one, but quite frankly I feel that you could spend less &

get more with other units... (my own opinion)

I have chatted to SAR and they say no probs with it in a Chopper - but with all

defibs you must tell the captain before you use the big button!

the unit is quite big and relatively heavy - lots of extra cables and modules

etc, we have ecg, 3 & 12 lead, pulse oxy, & big printer ...

So hope that helps - feel free to contact me off list if you want some more info

- or some alternatives ...

Best wishes

Lifepak 12 defibrillators

Does anyone on the list have experience in using Lifepak 12 defib/monitors?

There's a strong possibilty that we may be replacing all existing defibs with

them but having never even seen one in the flesh I would value some advice!

Points I specifically need to evaluate:

1. User friendliness

2. Has anyone used them in non aeromed (i.e. bog standard) Bell 212 or

Sikorsky S76 helicopters?

3. Reliability

Best regardss,

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Hi ,

thanks for the info.

I was quite shocked at the prices you've quoted - they seem well above the

MRRP! I did some investigation on prices and have been quoted US$8,395 for

basic spec rising to approx $15,000 for all singing/dancing...... I take it

the prices were through a certain North Sea medical supplier!!

Thankfully cost is not an issue as the defibs are being provided in tender

documents for some intensive care ambulances that are being bought for our

project.

The document also specifies capnograph, multi-parameter monitors, pulse

oximeter etc and I got concerned when I read the spec sheet for the

Lifepak12 as there seemed little need to replicate what I thought were

standard functions with all these extra bits of kit.

Having read your mail I'm gonna check out what level of machine they are

providing.

I'm now waiting on an answer from Medtronic to see what sort of spec's are

included ( re: NIBP, Capnography, Pulse Oximetry. Pacing etc).

Will let you know the outcome - thanks,

>From: " Parkinson " <gary.parkinson@...>

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>< >

>Subject: RE: Lifepak 12 defibrillators

>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:24:57 -0000

>

>Hi

>We've got one on the NNP, & I'm not overly impressed - It's a VERY costly

>bit of kit and is not as user friendly as others I've used...

>the battery charger alone is nearly £2000, ! it would cost us about £3000

>to have a BP unit added ! ...

>they now do a biphasic one, but quite frankly I feel that you could spend

>less & get more with other units... (my own opinion)

>I have chatted to SAR and they say no probs with it in a Chopper - but with

>all defibs you must tell the captain before you use the big button!

>the unit is quite big and relatively heavy - lots of extra cables and

>modules etc, we have ecg, 3 & 12 lead, pulse oxy, & big printer ...

>

>So hope that helps - feel free to contact me off list if you want some more

>info - or some alternatives ...

>Best wishes

>

>

>

> Lifepak 12 defibrillators

>

>

>Does anyone on the list have experience in using Lifepak 12 defib/monitors?

>There's a strong possibilty that we may be replacing all existing defibs

>with them but having never even seen one in the flesh I would value some

>advice!

>

>Points I specifically need to evaluate:

>1. User friendliness

>2. Has anyone used them in non aeromed (i.e. bog standard) Bell 212 or

>Sikorsky S76 helicopters?

>3. Reliability

>

>Best regardss,

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Gosta

>From: " Gosta Liljeqvist " <gosta@...>

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>Subject: RE: Lifepak 12 defibrillators

>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:02:14 +1100

>

>The LP 12 is great. I have used it on the road as well as in the air. It

>does pretty much what you need from a monitor defib. If you get all the

>attachments they can do capnography, PO2, NIBP, 12 chanel, pacing,

>Sync. cardiovert. They are easy to use and are reasonably rugged. They

>do code summary which makes it easier after an arrest or anytime where

>it is hard to write.

>If I had the money I'd by one for my private business.

>Cheers,

>

>Gösta Liljeqvist

>Risk Management Consultant

>+61 (0) 2 94501601

>+61 (0)416282275

>gosta@...

>

>Specialising in hostile environment health and safety.

>Provider of remote and mobile global medical field support.

>(An approved EMS partner)

>

>

> Lifepak 12 defibrillators

>

>Does anyone on the list have experience in using Lifepak 12

>defib/monitors?

>There's a strong possibilty that we may be replacing all existing defibs

>

>with them but having never even seen one in the flesh I would value some

>

>advice!

>

>Points I specifically need to evaluate:

>1. User friendliness

>2. Has anyone used them in non aeromed (i.e. bog standard) Bell 212 or

>Sikorsky S76 helicopters?

>3. Reliability

>

>Best regardss,

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I agree that the LP12 is a good monitor. It is probably the best monitor in

general production today but it does have it's flaws. The case was designed

to combine field and floor use into one " fits all " category. It does stand

well on top of a code cart but it will not sit on a hillside or a bedside. It

is

top heavy, does not tolerate uneven terrain and has an " unbalanced feel "

when carried. It just doesn't have the ergonomic practicality of the old

LP10'S.(and the stretcher mounting hooks are a great concept but destroy the

balance

of an empty stretcher) Next thing, Batteries. It eats em30-40% faster than

the 10's. A redundant charging capacity/ battery storage capacity is a must.

And finally, Sunlight, The LCD screen washes out in bright, backlit

sunlighting. I've heard they've corrected that though in newer versions

A side note.... The charging decks are a dime a dozen (sorry, no currency

conversion available) here. We gave 7 of them away 3 years ago. Before you

spend 2k+ on one, try shopping some of the EMS links.

[Guest guest]

The Lifepak 12's are pretty good, in my honest opinion. There set up easy

enough, so that they can be used as an AED, if no medic's or higher are close

enough to defibrillate. Stay away from the ZOLL. I actually like the looks of

the new monitor. Saw it a few weeks ago, and it's definitely going to

warrant a field test, whenever we are able to get rid of our Zoll's (they belong

on a hospital floor, not an ambulance, but unfortunately don't have the money to

ditch them right now). I've been using the LP 12's for about 4 years now, and

think they are pretty user friendly, myself, but have heard a few complaints to

the contrary before. Best bet is to get a rep to visit you, of all th models

that you are interested in. The Laerdal Heartstart 4000's seem fairly decent,

though I use them VERY infrequently. But again, maybe worth a visit from a rep.

Unsure though if it has EtCO2 capability or not. Hope some of this helps you.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I tried to use one once in a fixed wing setting for cardioversion of SVT - major

nightmare with the pull and dial main knob - apparently, this has been rectified

on subsequent models but it put me off LP12s for life.

We use Zolls and are very happy with them - have literally dropped them out of

response cars at speed and they still work - incredibly robust.

Cheers

Anton

In message <BAY8-F112pfkNsjUHQH00000c60@...> " billy frew "

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> Does anyone on the list have experience in using Lifepak 12 defib/monitors?

> There's a strong possibilty that we may be replacing all existing defibs

> with them but having never even seen one in the flesh I would value some

> advice!

>

> Points I specifically need to evaluate:

> 1. User friendliness

> 2. Has anyone used them in non aeromed (i.e. bog standard) Bell 212 or

> Sikorsky S76 helicopters?

> 3. Reliability

>

> Best regardss,

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Good points. Yes, unfortunately the is a new monitor, and it

undoubtedly will have some of the freshman blues that go hand in hand with being

the first time on the market. But I had about 30 minutes to check it out, a

couple of weeks ago, and it looks like it has promise. The bottom line is that

what might be right for one service may not be right for another. A Zoll may

work for one guy, where a LP 12 is more suitable for another. Large capital

purchases like monitors (not to mention your guys and gals will be having to use

them all the time for the next xxx amount of years), need to be tested. You

should narrow your choices down to about 2 or 3, and then get the reps to bring

you a couple loaners that you try out for a few weeks. This is something they

do all the time, and I would not make a new purchas without doing it. Then you

can get all the staff together and put together a Pros and Cons, and maybe come

to a mutual decision. That is one thing that I have learned, is that the

cardiac monitor is such a highly used and versatile piece of equipment, that if

you come to a mutual decisionit makes things much better than one person picking

the monitor that everyone else has to live with. That being said, there are

obviously circumstances where a solo decision has to be made. But no doubt,

when it is time for us to get rid of our current monitor, we will be doing a

field test of several to determine which one to go with.

Regards,

Ted

[Guest guest]

Hi Ted,

I agree but unfortunately there aren't too many defib sales reps in our

remote areas!Add in importation laws and the chances of getting a trial item

are extremely remote.....

We've asked for a defib with pacing facility. In return we've been given a

choice of two models: Metrax Primedic DM10-12lead or Lifepak12 with pulse

oximeter, 12 lead ecg,AED overide and biphasic modules.

I've had loads of useful information from the list and have now made my

recommendations.......

B regards,

Bill

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>Subject: Re: Lifepak 12 defibrillators

>Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:27:52 +0000

>

>Good points. Yes, unfortunately the is a new monitor, and it

>undoubtedly will have some of the freshman blues that go hand in hand with

>being the first time on the market. But I had about 30 minutes to check it

>out, a couple of weeks ago, and it looks like it has promise. The bottom

>line is that what might be right for one service may not be right for

>another. A Zoll may work for one guy, where a LP 12 is more suitable for

>another. Large capital purchases like monitors (not to mention your guys

>and gals will be having to use them all the time for the next xxx amount of

>years), need to be tested. You should narrow your choices down to about 2

>or 3, and then get the reps to bring you a couple loaners that you try out

>for a few weeks. This is something they do all the time, and I would not

>make a new purchas without doing it. Then you can get all the staff

>together and put together a Pros and Cons, and maybe come to a mutual

>decision. That is one thing that I have learned, is that the cardiac

>monitor is such a highly used and versatile piece of equipment, that if you

>come to a mutual decisionit makes things much better than one person

>picking the monitor that everyone else has to live with. That being said,

>there are obviously circumstances where a solo decision has to be made.

>But no doubt, when it is time for us to get rid of our current monitor, we

>will be doing a field test of several to determine which one to go with.

>Regards,

> Ted

>

>

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