Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 , That is good advice. I have had PT's that wanted to do exercises that caused excessive pain. DON " T DO IT!!!! They do not understand the problem and are causing damage. Obviously, this does not apply to exercises after a surgery to promote range of motion. There can be aches and some pain, but sharp pain is an indication to stop. Don On 6/11/08, Fox <intlulu@...> wrote: > > My physical therapists have treated many teenagers, particularly girls, > with chondromalacia patella. Typically they're very active in sports, so I > suppose that it brings up the problems of a misalignment earlier than it > otherwise may have presented. > & nbsp; > My advice would be just to make sure you're very comfortable with her > doctor, that she gets really good physical therapy and that they teach her > what will work and what won't for her particular situation. In PT, the > exercises they do with her should not cause sharp/acute pain or they are > doing damage. Depending on her case, a low achy pain doing the PT may be > okay. > & nbsp; > Be sure to ask lots of questions from the doc and PT as her knee will be > different from anyone else's regarding what she should/shouldn't do. Ask > about what she can do long-term to help preserve her knees as long as > possible in terms of therapy, exercise, lifestyle. > & nbsp; > Good luck to you both. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 They did a " keyhole " surgery, lateral release and smoothing or the meniscus. This was well over a year ago and her chronic pain is between a 3 and 7 depending on the surfaces she is on and the activity level. The softer the ground the more she can do for a longer duration. She is good at moderating her pain. She knows the downfalls of NASID type drugs and uses them sparingly. She allows the pain to dictate the activity level and has learned at a young age self-control. She knows the benefits of knee braces. She will switch to various ones depending on the amount of support she feels she needs. She has a reactions to long use of heavy knee braces. Skin eruptions and scarring to the back of her knee where they will catch. Also the realization that a brace with never replace the strength she needs for support. Maybe she can no longer play the sports she wants, or spend the day hiking an amusement park with her friends but she program a computer, design web pages, play the piano and speak foreign languages (self taught by reading sub-titles while watching her favorite movies in French and Japanese). I guess it is her way of turning " lemons into lemon aid " . If you would like to reach me direct the screen name I am normally under is _URnotIM@..._ (mailto:URnotIM@...) . **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Chondromalacia is not that uncommon in young girls surprisingly enough. Tracking problems and injuries will cause damage and yes softening of the cartilidge. My daughter who is now 14 has suffered with this for nearly two years now. The ortho doc and her pediatrician were both coming to the point of thinking she just was looking for attention. She had some tracking problems, a dislocated knee cap and a fall on a rock that you could hear. From that day on she has had chronic pain. When they finally did the knee surgery the doctor actually apologized to her after he saw how soft the cartilidge actually was and realized how much pain she must be in. My daughter has had to accept that weight bearing sports are only going to create more damage to her knee. We have encourage non-weight bearing sports. Swimming is wonderful and she does ride her bike quite a bit. She is on alternate gym giving the option of exercise that is comfortable for her. PT at home is mandatory and we have worked with trigger point theraphy as well. She has become more involved with acedemic students and her grades are now soaring with many awards this year. I know it is heartbreaking to see when you child can no longer do what they love. Mine still cries sometimes that she can't even run like the other kids. But we " pull up our big girl panties " and reevalute. There are a million things in this world to do and see and we want to do it all so we redirect our attention and go have fun! Tell her she can drop my daughter any time. Best Wishes! > > > > > > My 13 year old was just diagnosed with this and I was wondering > how > > > long a period of time one needs to stay inactive before going > back to > > > softball. > > > > > > > I think with this condition if you just " rest " it's never going to > > improve. Must do straight leg lifts starting with no weight and > > gradually increase the weight with ankle weights. Hopefully that > will > > get them to the point where they have no pain at all and can get > back > > to sports. > > > I have had it for years and years - I hate to tell people this, but > I must be honest - if it's really condromalacia patella, you must > take drastic steps to protect the knee, and that means no stop and > start sports, or sports that pound the knee or pose threats of > twisting or ankle sprains. I'd say take up non-competition cycling, > walking and swimming and forget hoops, soccer, softball and > track.... I am skeptical that a 13 year old could get chondro > though. At that age, I'm thinking that it could possibly be > something else. Hope that it is...chondro does one thing only - it > stays with you like a bad penny. > > > > > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Pintogal, What type of surgery did your daughter have? Re: questions Chondromalacia is not that uncommon in young girls surprisingly enough. Tracking problems and injuries will cause damage and yes softening of the cartilidge. My daughter who is now 14 has suffered with this for nearly two years now. The ortho doc and her pediatrician were both coming to the point of thinking she just was looking for attention. She had some tracking problems, a dislocated knee cap and a fall on a rock that you could hear. From that day on she has had chronic pain. When they finally did the knee surgery the doctor actually apologized to her after he saw how soft the cartilidge actually was and realized how much pain she must be in. My daughter has had to accept that weight bearing sports are only going to create more damage to her knee. We have encourage non-weight bearing sports. Swimming is wonderful and she does ride her bike quite a bit. She is on alternate gym giving the option of exercise that is comfortable for her. PT at home is mandatory and we have worked with trigger point theraphy as well. She has become more involved with acedemic students and her grades are now soaring with many awards this year. I know it is heartbreaking to see when you child can no longer do what they love.. Mine still cries sometimes that she can't even run like the other kids.. But we " pull up our big girl panties " and reevalute. There are a million things in this world to do and see and we want to do it all so we redirect our attention and go have fun! Tell her she can drop my daughter any time. Best Wishes! > > > > > > My 13 year old was just diagnosed with this and I was wondering > how > > > long a period of time one needs to stay inactive before going > back to > > > softball. > > > > > > > I think with this condition if you just " rest " it's never going to > > improve. Must do straight leg lifts starting with no weight and > > gradually increase the weight with ankle weights. Hopefully that > will > > get them to the point where they have no pain at all and can get > back > > to sports. > > > I have had it for years and years - I hate to tell people this, but > I must be honest - if it's really condromalacia patella, you must > take drastic steps to protect the knee, and that means no stop and > start sports, or sports that pound the knee or pose threats of > twisting or ankle sprains. I'd say take up non-competition cycling, > walking and swimming and forget hoops, soccer, softball and > track.... I am skeptical that a 13 year old could get chondro > though. At that age, I'm thinking that it could possibly be > something else. Hope that it is...chondro does one thing only - it > stays with you like a bad penny. > > > > > > > > ************ **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest. aol.com?ncid= aolacg0005000000 0102) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 My daughter's ortho surgeon told us that a hard impact to her knee can cause condro. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Hi : Welcome to the Group. As you've already discovered, you are going to get many different opinions from many different people. That's a good thing, but I know it can be very frustrating. The truth is, there is no real answer to a question like yours -- it depends on what is really wrong with your daughter's knee(s). Every person is different and every knee is different. My advice to you is to learn everything you possibly can about anatomy (not limited to the knee), all the types of healthcare practitioners out there, and all the different types of treatments for knees there are. This is going to be a very long road for you, but I think you will find it is well worth it. The Internet is a terrific resource for almost everything you need. The one thing we've all learned from being in this Group is that you really have to become your own doctor. You cannot rely on anyone to guide your treatment for bad knees -- there is no cookie-cutter approach. The goal is to figure out what is truly wrong with your daughter's knee (s). It may be her cartilage, it may be ligaments and/or tendons. It may be a knee problem, or it could be her feet, her hips, her back or any number of problems that are causing her knees to hurt. Good luck with everything, and keep asking the Group questions. There are alot of very knowledgeable people here. Take care, Doug > > My 13 year old was just diagnosed with this and I was wondering how > long a period of time one needs to stay inactive before going back to > softball. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 My 16 year daughter also has chondromalacia as a result from a mal-alignment which caused her patella would pop out place and lock. She is an avid soccer player and was diagnosed at the age 15 and after extensive physical therapy, braces,tapings; she had surgery this past November. She had a Fulkerson's Osteotomy, Lateral release and medial reefing. It was a rough recovery but she is 95% pain free and back playing soccer. Has your daughter been evaluted for Osgood Schlatter disease which is more common in her age group? My 13 year old has it. questions My 13 year old was just diagnosed with this and I was wondering how long a period of time one needs to stay inactive before going back to softball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Yes, the ped doctor said it definately was not osgood. My two boys had that! She pitches and catches and I feel that has really weighed heavy on the knee. She slid into home and the catchers gear pushed on her left knee, and I feel that is where some of this is coming in. chondromalacia treatment@...: jerseygirl0329@...: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:45:05 -0700Subject: Re: questions My 16 year daughter also has chondromalacia as a result from a mal-alignment which caused her patella would pop out place and lock. She is an avid soccer player and was diagnosed at the age 15 and after extensive physical therapy, braces,tapings; she had surgery this past November. She had a Fulkerson's Osteotomy, Lateral release and medial reefing. It was a rough recovery but she is 95% pain free and back playing soccer. Has your daughter been evaluted for Osgood Schlatter disease which is more common in her age group? My 13 year old has it. questionsMy 13 year old was just diagnosed with this and I was wondering how long a period of time one needs to stay inactive before going back to softball.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ It’s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live™ Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 A 13 year old can definitely have this- all it means is your knee cap isn't tracking correctly due to body mechanics or due to injury. I was first diagnosed with this in 7th grade, which was 19 years ago. Not all cases are severe, severe pain all the time. Robin =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Its good to use the group to discus doubts and ask about those tricky questions but I have noticed that some don't even bother looking for answers online or in the basic books. So things are as easy to find as typing them in google!Please let's stop being lazy. That way will be more space for productive discussion/feedback and we all winJust a suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Its good to use the group to discus doubts and ask about those tricky questions but I have noticed that some don't even bother looking for answers online or in the basic books. Some things are as easy to find as typing them in google!Please let's stop being lazy. That way will be more space for productive discussion/feedback and we all winJust a suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 1)Topical anaesthesia for children is benzocaine-0.5%2)Fast setting alginate3)Can some1 pls elborate on this4)4%--ashishSent on my BlackBerry® from VodafoneFrom: Chloe Berg <chloe.berg86@...>Sender: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:28:40 -0800 (PST) < >Reply Subject: Re: questions I think it s correct , question 2 should be congenital thanks a lot I got few more questions 1)What is the topical anaesthesia with flavoured tastfor child2).Impression material for patient with gag reflex3) Maximum time for dentist with physical impairment to leave from his profession4) Death in uk from oral cancer each year From: Kanika Kohli <kanika_sahil@...> " " < > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:23 PM Subject: Re: questions 1 gic2 it could be trauma, congenital,hypodontia.could be axenfeld rieger syndrome3 yellow4midazolamcorrect me anywhere m wrong. From: Chloe Berg <chloe.berg86@...> " " < > Sent: Monday, 21 November 2011 1:56 PM Subject: questions 1)Which cement is more susceptible to fail if is contaminatedwith saliva? 2)Common reason for abscence of upper centralincisor ? 3).According to…2000, there is color code separation.To which color correspond the clinical areas and decontamination ?a.Blueb.redc.oranged.yellow4)A patient is in status epilepticus,which medications will you give him?a.Adrenalineb.epamc.Midazolam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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