Re: Re: what kind of brace do you use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

[Guest guest]

I think Hedy has hit on a really good point. The key

to successful exercising is to find something that

works for you and that search may take awhile. I have

a recumbent stationary bike that works just fine, but

I have to set the seat in such a way that's not

necessarily recommended. However, it works for me, no

pain, no soreness.

It can get discouraging when you want to move but

everything seems to hurt. Take a little notebook and

jot down what equipment you tried and how it was set.

Interestingly enough, I do better on a treadmill with

the incline set fairly high than I do on " the street " .

Some swim styles work better than others (forget

" frog kick " , that hurts like mad)....After a while, as

you get stronger, gently try some of the previous,

" can't do " exercises and see if leg strength has

progressed to the point where it doesn't hurt.

As Ann has said, you've got to take it slow! It's the

CMP mantra!!! It was very difficult for me to not

overdo, and to accept that if I did some movement

without pain it would be enough for the day. Somehow,

I was totally stuck in the mode of pushing til I

hurt...yea, real smart....probably caused all my

problems )

nne

Re: what kind of

brace do you use?

how do I get off the couch and back in life?

For me, there are only 2 forms of cardio that don't

hurt:

1. walking on the street, NOT a treadmill

2. The step machine at the gym. Not the one with big

stairs like an

escalator. The one where you take very tiny steps.

You can still

break a sweat from it.

A lot of websites say that the stationary bike is safe

for us. But,

I feel pain instantly when I try that so I don't do

it.

-Hedy

[Guest guest]

I 've also had good results w/the step machine. No doctors believe me. And my

gym got rid of its 4 machines.

Ann

Re: what kind of brace do you use? how do

I get off the couch and back in life?

For me, there are only 2 forms of cardio that don't hurt:

1. walking on the street, NOT a treadmill

2. The step machine at the gym. Not the one with big stairs like an

escalator. The one where you take very tiny steps. You can still

break a sweat from it.

A lot of websites say that the stationary bike is safe for us. But,

I feel pain instantly when I try that so I don't do it.

-Hedy

[Guest guest]

Now the step machines totally kill me! What I really love it the rowing

machine…not the cheap ones that you can buy, but the expensive ones that

take up a ton of space in the gym. My PT has one and that’s usually what he

puts me on. He always tries the stationary bike, but that usually hurts me

so bad the next day. I need to be sure to tell him that next time!

Joi

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[mailto:chondromalacia treatment ] On Behalf Of Ann

Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:01 PM

chondromalacia treatment

Subject: Re: Re: what kind of brace do you use?

how do I get off the couch and back in life?

I 've also had good results w/the step machine. No doctors believe me. And

my gym got rid of its 4 machines.

Ann

Re: what kind of brace do you use? how

do I get off the couch and back in life?

For me, there are only 2 forms of cardio that don't hurt:

1. walking on the street, NOT a treadmill

2. The step machine at the gym. Not the one with big stairs like an

escalator. The one where you take very tiny steps. You can still

break a sweat from it.

A lot of websites say that the stationary bike is safe for us. But,

I feel pain instantly when I try that so I don't do it.

-Hedy

[Guest guest]

I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid pain also. I have it set at 3

to start then usually keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my pt's

told me that if I am doing an excercise and I am feeling pain in my knees, turn

the way my foot is positioned because this changes the track of the knee a bit.

Usually the first few minutes of every walk my left knee hurts a bit and if I

keep going it gets worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets " warmed up " I

can finish my walk with very little or no pain.

MJD <grgoofus@...> wrote:

I think Hedy has hit on a really good point. The key

to successful exercising is to find something that

works for you and that search may take awhile. I have

a recumbent stationary bike that works just fine, but

I have to set the seat in such a way that's not

necessarily recommended. However, it works for me, no

pain, no soreness.

It can get discouraging when you want to move but

everything seems to hurt. Take a little notebook and

jot down what equipment you tried and how it was set.

Interestingly enough, I do better on a treadmill with

the incline set fairly high than I do on " the street " .

Some swim styles work better than others (forget

" frog kick " , that hurts like mad)....After a while, as

you get stronger, gently try some of the previous,

" can't do " exercises and see if leg strength has

progressed to the point where it doesn't hurt.

As Ann has said, you've got to take it slow! It's the

CMP mantra!!! It was very difficult for me to not

overdo, and to accept that if I did some movement

without pain it would be enough for the day. Somehow,

I was totally stuck in the mode of pushing til I

hurt...yea, real smart....probably caused all my

problems )

nne

Re: what kind of

brace do you use?

how do I get off the couch and back in life?

For me, there are only 2 forms of cardio that don't

hurt:

1. walking on the street, NOT a treadmill

2. The step machine at the gym. Not the one with big

stairs like an

escalator. The one where you take very tiny steps.

You can still

break a sweat from it.

A lot of websites say that the stationary bike is safe

for us. But,

I feel pain instantly when I try that so I don't do

it.

-Hedy

[Guest guest]

A rowing machine would split my kneecap in two. I wish I COULD row.

Have you tried a recumbent exercycle? I can use that, but only if I slowly work

up the time & resistance.

Ann

Re: what kind of brace do you use? how

do I get off the couch and back in life?

For me, there are only 2 forms of cardio that don't hurt:

1. walking on the street, NOT a treadmill

2. The step machine at the gym. Not the one with big stairs like an

escalator. The one where you take very tiny steps. You can still

break a sweat from it.

A lot of websites say that the stationary bike is safe for us. But,

I feel pain instantly when I try that so I don't do it.

-Hedy

[Guest guest]

No, I haven’t tried one. What I need to do is swim…if it weren’t so blasted

cold, I’d do that! I never hurt and my muscles get built up sp much faster

when I swim. I just don’t feel like freezing to death on the way home…I

don’t really like having wet frozen hair either. LOL

Joi

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From: chondromalacia treatment

[mailto:chondromalacia treatment ] On Behalf Of Ann

Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:46 PM

chondromalacia treatment

Subject: Re: Re: what kind of brace do you use?

how do I get off the couch and back in life?

A rowing machine would split my kneecap in two. I wish I COULD row.

Have you tried a recumbent exercycle? I can use that, but only if I slowly

work up the time & resistance.

Ann

Re: what kind of brace do you use? how

do I get off the couch and back in life?

For me, there are only 2 forms of cardio that don't hurt:

1. walking on the street, NOT a treadmill

2. The step machine at the gym. Not the one with big stairs like an

escalator. The one where you take very tiny steps. You can still

break a sweat from it.

A lot of websites say that the stationary bike is safe for us. But,

I feel pain instantly when I try that so I don't do it.

-Hedy

[Guest guest]

,

I've noticed the foot position thing when I do the

elliptical. Somedays the elliptical hurts, but if I

re-position my feet, the pain subsides. I also wear a

knee tracker brace that guides the knee cap towards

the lateral (for me) side....that really helps me when

I'm exercising and doing squats (gentle ones). Gym

exercises are really good for me as far as building

muscle, but, swimming is my preferred exercise to work

on stamina and hearthealth. It really is very gentle

on my knee.

nne

RE: Re: what kind

of brace do you

use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid

pain also. I have it set at 3 to start then usually

keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my

pt's told me that if I am doing an excercise and I am

feeling pain in my knees, turn the way my foot is

positioned because this changes the track of the knee

a bit. Usually the first few minutes of every walk my

left knee hurts a bit and if I keep going it gets

worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets

" warmed up " I can finish my walk with very little or

no pain.

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Good Morning!~

What works good for me is the recumbant bike. I bought my first one in 2002

and rode it until I killed it in 2006. I have a New Balance now, and it is a

very comfortable bike. I use the pre programmed workouts three days a week,

sometimes little more if RL allows the time. I also use weights, for thigh and

hamstring work, as well as to round out the rest of the body.

I can't do squats and any exercises have to be non weight bearing.

But, as I have read in other posts, you have to start slow. Don't try and

conquer the world in a few days.

Thanks,

Good Luck,

Marilyn

p.s. have 2 reconstructed acl's so I really don't need any type of brace.

MJD <grgoofus@...> wrote:

,

I've noticed the foot position thing when I do the

elliptical. Somedays the elliptical hurts, but if I

re-position my feet, the pain subsides. I also wear a

knee tracker brace that guides the knee cap towards

the lateral (for me) side....that really helps me when

I'm exercising and doing squats (gentle ones). Gym

exercises are really good for me as far as building

muscle, but, swimming is my preferred exercise to work

on stamina and hearthealth. It really is very gentle

on my knee.

nne

RE: Re: what kind

of brace do you

use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid

pain also. I have it set at 3 to start then usually

keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my

pt's told me that if I am doing an excercise and I am

feeling pain in my knees, turn the way my foot is

positioned because this changes the track of the knee

a bit. Usually the first few minutes of every walk my

left knee hurts a bit and if I keep going it gets

worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets

" warmed up " I can finish my walk with very little or

no pain.

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Marilyn -- Since weight-bearing is important to bone health, I've begun to think

about getting one of those small trampolines. Used to have one, but it was

boring, but now have a TV in my exercise room. I thought since you don't have

to bend your knees to use one, it might work out. I think I only paid about

$15 for the one I used to have.

Anyone here used one of those? Did it bother your knee?

Ann

RE: Re: what kind

of brace do you

use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid

pain also. I have it set at 3 to start then usually

keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my

pt's told me that if I am doing an excercise and I am

feeling pain in my knees, turn the way my foot is

positioned because this changes the track of the knee

a bit. Usually the first few minutes of every walk my

left knee hurts a bit and if I keep going it gets

worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets

" warmed up " I can finish my walk with very little or

no pain.

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Good Morning Ann.

I can't do any type of jumping or any type of impact. I have been without

most of the meniscus in my right knee for 27 years. My OS even modified my

rehab after my ACL reconstruction in 1998.

I do a quad press, but have a limit on the amount of weight and the number of

reps I am allowed to do.

I think a trampoline would be great! Many years ago when I was a member of a

gym, I could do the elipitical with out any problem, but not the stair stepper.

Moderate walking and the recumb. bike work best for me. The upright

stationary bike is painful also.

Have a great day!

Marilyn

Ann <ruby2zdy@...> wrote:

Marilyn -- Since weight-bearing is important to bone health, I've

begun to think about getting one of those small trampolines. Used to have one,

but it was boring, but now have a TV in my exercise room. I thought since you

don't have to bend your knees to use one, it might work out. I think I only paid

about $15 for the one I used to have.

Anyone here used one of those? Did it bother your knee?

Ann

RE: Re: what kind

of brace do you

use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid

pain also. I have it set at 3 to start then usually

keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my

pt's told me that if I am doing an excercise and I am

feeling pain in my knees, turn the way my foot is

positioned because this changes the track of the knee

a bit. Usually the first few minutes of every walk my

left knee hurts a bit and if I keep going it gets

worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets

" warmed up " I can finish my walk with very little or

no pain.

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In PT we will do some balancing exercises on one of the small round

trampolines. I have seen them have someone do a slow run like motion on it

also, but I have not done this.

Don

On 1/4/07, hedy_dilmanian <heds401@...> wrote:

>

> Isn't a trampoline jumping? I am cringing thinking about it.

>

>

> > ,

> > I've noticed the foot position thing when I do the

> > elliptical. Somedays the elliptical hurts, but if I

> > re-position my feet, the pain subsides. I also wear a

> > knee tracker brace that guides the knee cap towards

> > the lateral (for me) side....that really helps me when

> > I'm exercising and doing squats (gentle ones). Gym

> > exercises are really good for me as far as building

> > muscle, but, swimming is my preferred exercise to work

> > on stamina and hearthealth. It really is very gentle

> > on my knee.

> >

> > nne

> >

> > RE: Re: what kind

> > of brace do you

> > use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

> >

> > I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid

> > pain also. I have it set at 3 to start then usually

> > keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my

> > pt's told me that if I am doing an excercise and I am

> > feeling pain in my knees, turn the way my foot is

> > positioned because this changes the track of the knee

> > a bit. Usually the first few minutes of every walk my

> > left knee hurts a bit and if I keep going it gets

> > worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets

> > " warmed up " I can finish my walk with very little or

> > no pain.

> >

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[Guest guest]

Technically, yes, but unlike the ground/floor, the trampoline gives so the

impact is much less than even walking, especially if you don't lift your

feet off the trampoline.

Joi

Isn't a trampoline jumping? I am cringing thinking about it.

[Guest guest]

After dancing this afternoon, I'm hoping I can do that instead of any of my

other exercises (except once it gets warm enough I hope to be able to use my new

bicycle a lot).

Ann

RE: Re: what kind

of brace do you

use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid

pain also. I have it set at 3 to start then usually

keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my

pt's told me that if I am doing an excercise and I am

feeling pain in my knees, turn the way my foot is

positioned because this changes the track of the knee

a bit. Usually the first few minutes of every walk my

left knee hurts a bit and if I keep going it gets

worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets

" warmed up " I can finish my walk with very little or

no pain.

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You can jump just using your toes.

Ann

RE: Re: what kind

> of brace do you

> use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

>

> I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid

> pain also. I have it set at 3 to start then usually

> keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my

> pt's told me that if I am doing an excercise and I am

> feeling pain in my knees, turn the way my foot is

> positioned because this changes the track of the knee

> a bit. Usually the first few minutes of every walk my

> left knee hurts a bit and if I keep going it gets

> worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets

> " warmed up " I can finish my walk with very little or

> no pain.

>

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Like Don, I've used the little trampoline for balance,

but don't think I would " jump " or " run " on it. Seems

to me that even though the knee and foot/ankle arent'

being punished by an unforgiving surface, the

unevenness of the landing would maybe put undue

pressure on some spot that doesn't have a lot of

cartilage. But, like anything else, it all depends

where your knee's sensistive spots are. I don't do

well when landing on a surface that " gives " too

much....like soft sand, or dirt, or deep grass...

nne

Idaho

RE: Re: what

kind

> of brace do you

> use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

>

> I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid

> pain also. I have it set at 3 to start then usually

> keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my

> pt's told me that if I am doing an excercise and I

am

> feeling pain in my knees, turn the way my foot is

> positioned because this changes the track of the

knee

> a bit. Usually the first few minutes of every walk

my

> left knee hurts a bit and if I keep going it gets

> worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets

> " warmed up " I can finish my walk with very little or

> no pain.

>

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Yep,

Uneven or soft surfaces are a definite problem for me also. Heck, I won't

even walk across the yard fast for fear of my foot hiting an uneven

surface.

BTW - I hit 120 Degrees at PT the yesterday (hoping for 130 tomorrow).

That's a 50 degree increase in 20 days. That manual manipulation did the

trick.

On 1/4/07, MJD <grgoofus@...> wrote:

>

> Like Don, I've used the little trampoline for balance,

> but don't think I would " jump " or " run " on it. Seems

> to me that even though the knee and foot/ankle arent'

> being punished by an unforgiving surface, the

> unevenness of the landing would maybe put undue

> pressure on some spot that doesn't have a lot of

> cartilage. But, like anything else, it all depends

> where your knee's sensistive spots are. I don't do

> well when landing on a surface that " gives " too

> much....like soft sand, or dirt, or deep grass...

>

> nne

> Idaho

>

> RE: Re: what

> kind

> > of brace do you

> > use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

> >

> > I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid

> > pain also. I have it set at 3 to start then usually

> > keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my

> > pt's told me that if I am doing an excercise and I

> am

> > feeling pain in my knees, turn the way my foot is

> > positioned because this changes the track of the

> knee

> > a bit. Usually the first few minutes of every walk

> my

> > left knee hurts a bit and if I keep going it gets

> > worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets

> > " warmed up " I can finish my walk with very little or

> > no pain.

> >

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That's excellent news, Don! 120....wow.....you'll be

doing those quad stretches with your foot on your butt

in no time! So glad you're getting good results, you

deserve em!

How's the pain, general feeling, and/or walking

ability??

nne

Re: Re: what kind

of brace do you

use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

Yep,

Uneven or soft surfaces are a definite problem for me

also. Heck, I won't

even walk across the yard fast for fear of my foot

hiting an uneven

surface.

BTW - I hit 120 Degrees at PT the yesterday (hoping

for 130 tomorrow).

That's a 50 degree increase in 20 days. That manual

manipulation did the

trick.

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Hey! Congrats on the success of the manipulation!! I hope you're trouble-free

from now on.

Ann

RE: Re: what

> kind

> > of brace do you

> > use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

> >

> > I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid

> > pain also. I have it set at 3 to start then usually

> > keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my

> > pt's told me that if I am doing an excercise and I

> am

> > feeling pain in my knees, turn the way my foot is

> > positioned because this changes the track of the

> knee

> > a bit. Usually the first few minutes of every walk

> my

> > left knee hurts a bit and if I keep going it gets

> > worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets

> > " warmed up " I can finish my walk with very little or

> > no pain.

> >

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Congrads! on your progress!

Marilyn

Don Franck <panteradon@...> wrote:

Yep,

Uneven or soft surfaces are a definite problem for me also. Heck, I won't

even walk across the yard fast for fear of my foot hiting an uneven

surface.

BTW - I hit 120 Degrees at PT the yesterday (hoping for 130 tomorrow).

That's a 50 degree increase in 20 days. That manual manipulation did the

trick.

On 1/4/07, MJD <grgoofus@...> wrote:

>

> Like Don, I've used the little trampoline for balance,

> but don't think I would " jump " or " run " on it. Seems

> to me that even though the knee and foot/ankle arent'

> being punished by an unforgiving surface, the

> unevenness of the landing would maybe put undue

> pressure on some spot that doesn't have a lot of

> cartilage. But, like anything else, it all depends

> where your knee's sensistive spots are. I don't do

> well when landing on a surface that " gives " too

> much....like soft sand, or dirt, or deep grass...

>

> nne

> Idaho

>

> RE: Re: what

> kind

> > of brace do you

> > use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

> >

> > I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid

> > pain also. I have it set at 3 to start then usually

> > keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my

> > pt's told me that if I am doing an excercise and I

> am

> > feeling pain in my knees, turn the way my foot is

> > positioned because this changes the track of the

> knee

> > a bit. Usually the first few minutes of every walk

> my

> > left knee hurts a bit and if I keep going it gets

> > worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets

> > " warmed up " I can finish my walk with very little or

> > no pain.

> >

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I hadn't even considered working out with a trampoline! I could see that it

might be useful, if nothing else I would think it might stretch muscles a little

bit more, but I think I would want some sort of hand-rail set up to make sure I

can keep my balance and don't strain my knees. I would definitely want to try

it in a carefully controlled environment before bringing one home.

Lucinda

MJD <grgoofus@...> wrote:

Like Don, I've used the little trampoline for balance,

but don't think I would " jump " or " run " on it. Seems

to me that even though the knee and foot/ankle arent'

being punished by an unforgiving surface, the

unevenness of the landing would maybe put undue

pressure on some spot that doesn't have a lot of

cartilage. But, like anything else, it all depends

where your knee's sensistive spots are. I don't do

well when landing on a surface that " gives " too

much....like soft sand, or dirt, or deep grass...

nne

Idaho

RE: Re: what

kind

> of brace do you

> use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

>

> I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid

> pain also. I have it set at 3 to start then usually

> keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my

> pt's told me that if I am doing an excercise and I

am

> feeling pain in my knees, turn the way my foot is

> positioned because this changes the track of the

knee

> a bit. Usually the first few minutes of every walk

my

> left knee hurts a bit and if I keep going it gets

> worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets

> " warmed up " I can finish my walk with very little or

> no pain.

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Lucinda

You are right about a hand rail. At PT there is a hand rails that you grab

anytime you use the trampoline.

Don

On 1/8/07, Luci Sutherland <lucisept61@...> wrote:

>

> I hadn't even considered working out with a trampoline! I could see that

> it might be useful, if nothing else I would think it might stretch muscles a

> little bit more, but I think I would want some sort of hand-rail set up to

> make sure I can keep my balance and don't strain my knees. I would

> definitely want to try it in a carefully controlled environment before

> bringing one home.

>

> Lucinda

>

> MJD <grgoofus@... <grgoofus%40>> wrote:

> Like Don, I've used the little trampoline for balance,

> but don't think I would " jump " or " run " on it. Seems

> to me that even though the knee and foot/ankle arent'

> being punished by an unforgiving surface, the

> unevenness of the landing would maybe put undue

> pressure on some spot that doesn't have a lot of

> cartilage. But, like anything else, it all depends

> where your knee's sensistive spots are. I don't do

> well when landing on a surface that " gives " too

> much....like soft sand, or dirt, or deep grass...

>

> nne

> Idaho

>

> RE: Re: what

> kind

> > of brace do you

> > use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

> >

> > I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid

> > pain also. I have it set at 3 to start then usually

> > keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my

> > pt's told me that if I am doing an excercise and I

> am

> > feeling pain in my knees, turn the way my foot is

> > positioned because this changes the track of the

> knee

> > a bit. Usually the first few minutes of every walk

> my

> > left knee hurts a bit and if I keep going it gets

> > worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets

> > " warmed up " I can finish my walk with very little or

> > no pain.

> >

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When I first wrote about it I was thinking about the small one, about 3 ft in

diameter. With that, I think one would get mainly gastrocnemius and ham/glute

work -- not to mention the muscles of the feet that you never knew you had till

you try cross-country skiing. And it would serve as weight-bearing activity so

would help bones stay dense.

Then when I read what you wrote I started thinking about the larger trampolines

-- one of my neighbors has one in his backyard for his kids. And I thought how

much fun it would be (once one get confident on it) to sometimes bounce on one's

bottom -- you know, feet, bottom, feet, bottom. But then I got to thinking

about my bad back. Oh well.

Ann

RE: Re: what

kind

> of brace do you

> use? how do I get off the couch and back in life?

>

> I have to have my treadmill on an incline to avoid

> pain also. I have it set at 3 to start then usually

> keep it at 4.5 for most of my walk. Oh and one of my

> pt's told me that if I am doing an excercise and I

am

> feeling pain in my knees, turn the way my foot is

> positioned because this changes the track of the

knee

> a bit. Usually the first few minutes of every walk

my

> left knee hurts a bit and if I keep going it gets

> worse, but if I toe out a bit till my knee gets

> " warmed up " I can finish my walk with very little or

> no pain.

>

> --

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Hmmmmm. Attached handle. I can see it now. Someone's bouncing lightly on

their trampoline, using the handle, and a new song comes up on the radio, one

with more energy. Our exerciser gets caught up in the tempo and bounces higher

and wilder, and -- woopsy! End over end, exercise and trampoline together, and

our exerciser's feet get hopelessly tangled in the springs, not unlike the time

I fell off the (aluminum, with sharp edges) ladder washing my car on a seriously

sloping driveway. And bonked in the teeth by the handle (this is how accidents

always go -- you don't just get bonked on the head -- you're required to lose a

couple of teeth).

Suggestion: Attach a rope to the ceiling to hang on with. You can exercise

your upper body at the same time as your legs. (Caution: To avoid

quadriplegia, make sure the hook holding the rope is screwed into the middle of

a joist, not the edge, and definitely not between joists.) Hmmmmm. Y'know,

property installed, the trampoline/rope idea is actually not a bad one, if I do

say so myself, and those of you who know me know that I will say so myself.

Ann

Re: what kind of brace do you use? how do

I get off the couch and back in life?

A trampoline with an attached handle might be helpful too.

I found this one on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000KGBUDA/nextag-sg-20/ref=nosim

If that link doesn't work, it is called:

" Cory Everson Rebounding / Jogging 40-Inch Trampoline "

- Doug

>

> Lucinda

>

> You are right about a hand rail. At PT there is a hand rails that

you grab

> anytime you use the trampoline.

>

> Don