Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 I just skimmed that post about the parabens, so please forgive me if I didn't catch all the details of that one. But I've read some stuff that's been going around for a long time that blamed deodorant and parabens for breast tumors. I've done a lot of looking into it and while they have found parabens in tumors, they have also found a lot of other things (like water) and not all tumors contain parabens, either. Lotion usually does contain paraben preservatives because they are very effective and deodorant usually doesn't have them at all, even though I've read the completely bogus email scares that claim they do. Obviously, preservatives are toxic - all of them! If they weren't, they'd just be more germ food. It's certainly a subject that deserves more research, but as of yet, there's no conclusive evidence that they do more harm than good. Here's an ingredient I boycott - triclosan. My personal belief is that the massive overuse of antibacterial products containing triclosan are contributing to the rise of super-germs. But that's a long story... Has anyone noticed what the active ingredients are in anti-viral Kleenex? Sodium Laureth Sulfate and Citric Acid. I kid you not, read the box. (Tongue in cheek) If SLS kills regular viruses, like colds, maybe it should be blamed for clearing the path for super-viruses like AIDS to emerge? SLS is everywhere! *LOL* Investigate, investigate, investigate... Traci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 > There are natural preservatives. > Vitamin E (Tocopherols) for one. > Just be sure you check for nasties when using alternative preservatives... took me years to come up with one that didn't register yeast and bacteria on my test. I do agree parabens are nasty mostly because they are an estrogenic preservative and why put something in your body that can alter your body's natural balance. Snowdrift farms sells a very good bacteria/yeast test. I encourage everyone to be checking thier lotions because you can get into a lot of trouble selling nasties in a bottle... Sunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 But vitamin e isn't a preservative, it's an antioxidant. It won't keep mold or bacteria from growing. Potassium sorbate can be effective, but it's usually used in combination with something else. I've never used the ROE, but I've heard mixed opinions about that, too. I agree that there's probably a big economic reason why the paraben issue doesn't get more focus. But there have been studies. I'd certainly give my business to anyone who invented a truly effective, proven safe preservative, but I doubt that given the nature of what a preservative is, there can ever be one that has 0 side effects and 0 risk. Everybody has to weigh the possibility of lotion infected with something horrible like staph against the possibility of a cancer link to parabens. Anyway, I do make products with no preservative if someone wants it. I just like to make sure they keep it in the fridge and use it up quickly. Traci ------------- There are natural preservatives. Vitamin E (Tocopherols) for one. We produce lotions using zero parabens, It can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Traci, I would suggest some more research into this. There are solutions. GSE is also a good start.. Good Luck. --- TraciMH <tracimh@...> wrote: > > But vitamin e isn't a preservative, it's an > antioxidant. It won't keep mold or bacteria from > growing. Potassium sorbate can be effective, but > it's usually used in combination with something > else. I've never used the ROE, but I've heard mixed > opinions about that, too. I agree that there's > probably a big economic reason why the paraben issue > doesn't get more focus. But there have been studies. > I'd certainly give my business to anyone who > invented a truly effective, proven safe > preservative, but I doubt that given the nature of > what a preservative is, there can ever be one that > has 0 side effects and 0 risk. Everybody has to > weigh the possibility of lotion infected with > something horrible like staph against the > possibility of a cancer link to parabens. > > Anyway, I do make products with no preservative if > someone wants it. I just like to make sure they keep > it in the fridge and use it up quickly. > > Traci > ------------- > > There are natural preservatives. > Vitamin E (Tocopherols) for one. > > We produce lotions using zero parabens, It can be > done. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Dear Mike I am also a lurker who is going to jump in at this point. Unfortunately you are incorrect to presume that it is Traci who needs to do more research. Vitamin E is not a preservative but an antioxidant with efficacy dependent on which form of vitamin E and for what use....skin or oils. As for GSE....I would love to see industry data (real challenge testing) that proves GSE (non triclosan inclusion)has a true efficacy in protein rich formulations/products. There are alternatives to paraben based preservation systems and you mentioned potassium sorbate as one. In this instance you are correct and combined with phenoxyethanol (very low on the toxicity scale) plus an emollient carrier such as a glycol etc you can create a preservative that may effectively (and can) replace Optiphen Plus for instance. Preservation systems should as a responsible manufacturer and formulator be designed according to the product - it's ingredients, dispensing mechanism and manufacturing or compounding environment. If you are relying totally on vit E (whatever form you use) and/or GSE to preserve your products and doing so successfully, then it would be wonderful to see your challenge testing data with specifics. Cheers > > > > > But vitamin e isn't a preservative, it's an > > antioxidant. It won't keep mold or bacteria from > > growing. Potassium sorbate can be effective, but > > it's usually used in combination with something > > else. I've never used the ROE, but I've heard mixed > > opinions about that, too. I agree that there's > > probably a big economic reason why the paraben issue > > doesn't get more focus. But there have been studies. > > I'd certainly give my business to anyone who > > invented a truly effective, proven safe > > preservative, but I doubt that given the nature of > > what a preservative is, there can ever be one that > > has 0 side effects and 0 risk. Everybody has to > > weigh the possibility of lotion infected with > > something horrible like staph against the > > possibility of a cancer link to parabens. > > > > Anyway, I do make products with no preservative if > > someone wants it. I just like to make sure they keep > > it in the fridge and use it up quickly. > > > > Traci > > ------------- > > > > There are natural preservatives. > > Vitamin E (Tocopherols) for one. > > > > We produce lotions using zero parabens, It can be > > done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 I'l back off and let this be, however there are other solutions out there. We have been using them for over 3 yrs with no problems. Cheers! --- lisaphipps2000 <lisaphipps@...> wrote: > > > > Dear Mike > > I am also a lurker who is going to jump in at this > point. > > Unfortunately you are incorrect to presume that it > is Traci who needs > to do more research. Vitamin E is not a > preservative but an > antioxidant with efficacy dependent on which form of > vitamin E and > for what use....skin or oils. > As for GSE....I would love to see industry data > (real challenge > testing) that proves GSE (non triclosan > inclusion)has a true efficacy > in protein rich formulations/products. > > There are alternatives to paraben based preservation > systems and you > mentioned potassium sorbate as one. In this > instance you are correct > and combined with phenoxyethanol (very low on the > toxicity scale) > plus an emollient carrier such as a glycol etc you > can create a > preservative that may effectively (and can) replace > Optiphen Plus for > instance. > > Preservation systems should as a responsible > manufacturer and > formulator be designed according to the product - > it's ingredients, > dispensing mechanism and manufacturing or > compounding environment. > > If you are relying totally on vit E (whatever form > you use) and/or > GSE to preserve your products and doing so > successfully, then it > would be wonderful to see your challenge testing > data with specifics. > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > But vitamin e isn't a preservative, it's an > > > antioxidant. It won't keep mold or bacteria from > > > growing. Potassium sorbate can be effective, but > > > it's usually used in combination with something > > > else. I've never used the ROE, but I've heard > mixed > > > opinions about that, too. I agree that there's > > > probably a big economic reason why the paraben > issue > > > doesn't get more focus. But there have been > studies. > > > I'd certainly give my business to anyone who > > > invented a truly effective, proven safe > > > preservative, but I doubt that given the nature > of > > > what a preservative is, there can ever be one > that > > > has 0 side effects and 0 risk. Everybody has to > > > weigh the possibility of lotion infected with > > > something horrible like staph against the > > > possibility of a cancer link to parabens. > > > > > > Anyway, I do make products with no preservative > if > > > someone wants it. I just like to make sure they > keep > > > it in the fridge and use it up quickly. > > > > > > Traci > > > ------------- > > > > > > There are natural preservatives. > > > Vitamin E (Tocopherols) for one. > > > > > > We produce lotions using zero parabens, It can > be > > > done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Have you done challenge testing? Sunny Imhof Lizardhead Natural Products Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 I have a bottle of Optiphen, but I'm still testing this as a replacement for what I've been useing... Looks good so far! You just never know what a new product might do until a few million people use it for a few years. Traci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Yep there is a LOT of ocntroversy about PARABENS. But, most of the " BIG BOYS " P & G, LEVER BORS' BBW and others use the HECK out of them. THERE ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES out there that do a good job. I am looking at one right now from LONZA called Natrualon, it is a made from naturally derived product (cinnamon based). But when you get out of water mixing , there are even slimmer pickins' folks. Hey- do you like BEN STEIN? I do. He is an all around good guy. Read this article by him if you get a chance. It will touch you, and let you know that there are some RICH folks that are Good FOlks, like him I hope. Here is the link to the article - http://tinyurl.com/ywbur And remember to pray for our soldiers and their families, and always keep things in perspective! Best wishes- Mark Hughey > > > > Hi Theresa, > I personally do not use parabens in my products, and I prefer not to. If you do a search for " parabens " you will find all sorts of info about them. Here are a few articles you could read. http://www.bcaction.org/Pages/LearnAboutUs/ParabensResolution.html > http://www.nicnas.gov.au/news/20040123-parabenbreastcancer.asp > I also attached a file that I saved on them. > > HTH > > Shere' > www.nature-zone.com <http://www.nature-zone.com/> > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of theryvet > > Hello All, > > I buy lotion and soap bases. Yesterday I was in a health food store and > pickup up a free magazine called Delicious Living. In it was a Q & A > section with a question about Parabens which is a preservative that is > in a lot of cosmetics. This magazine also has a website. Here is the > link to the article: > > <http://www.deliciouslivingmag.com/magazine/index.cfm?> http://www.deliciouslivingmag.com/magazine/index.cfm? > fuseaction=article & issueID=71 & articleID=1627 > > I just want to know is this something that I should be concerned about. > > Again I'm new to this and Just trying to learn about different > ingredients. > > Theresa > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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