RE: Ready to make lotion I think a Newbie Project

[Guest guest]

no there is no preservative in this recipe..you will need to keep it in the

fridge or use up quickly.

[Guest guest]

You need a preservative for the growing things

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On Behalf Of msmedic1_again

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:39 PM

Subject: Ready to make lotion I think a Newbie Project

Hello to you all !

This weekend I am going to make my 1st attempt at lotion, from the

kit I bought,the kit has the following

Sweet Almond Oil

Veg, Glycerin,

Refined Coccoa Butter

Emusulfing Wax

I add distelled water and FO ,

Now to sound really dumb is any of this a fixative to prevent it

from growing things? If not I really need help in knowing what else

to purchase,

Thanks so much for helping a newbie !

Msmedic1_again

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[Guest guest]

I'm surprised the kit didn't come with a preservative. I like Liquid

Germall Plus. I get it at www.lotioncrafter.com Add 0.5 % to your finished

product.

Hugs,

in VA

On 1/18/06, msmedic1_again <msmedic1_again@...> wrote:

>

> Hello to you all !

>

> This weekend I am going to make my 1st attempt at lotion, from the

> kit I bought,the kit has the following

>

> Sweet Almond Oil

> Veg, Glycerin,

> Refined Coccoa Butter

> Emusulfing Wax

>

> I add distelled water and FO ,

>

> Now to sound really dumb is any of this a fixative to prevent it

> from growing things? If not I really need help in knowing what else

> to purchase,

>

> Thanks so much for helping a newbie !

>

> Msmedic1_again

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Vibrant Health! Daily tips for the body, mind and soul.

> From Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

> http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs/vhform.html

> Flat Rate Shipping! Just $4.90 per order this week! See Site for details

> Don't miss the weekly specials!

> http://glenbrookfarm.com/store/specialsseeds_1.html

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nope, you didn't list any type of preservative. sorry I'm not positive

which would be best for you but I am positive someone else will be smart

enough to know and kind enough to tell you.

Hope the batch comes out well. be SURE to find out about that preservative

though!! From all I've heard, you won't want the lotion with out it!!!

KimG

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of msmedic1_again

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:39 PM

Subject: Ready to make lotion I think a Newbie Project

Hello to you all !

This weekend I am going to make my 1st attempt at lotion, from the

kit I bought,the kit has the following

Sweet Almond Oil

Veg, Glycerin,

Refined Coccoa Butter

Emusulfing Wax

I add distelled water and FO ,

Now to sound really dumb is any of this a fixative to prevent it

from growing things? If not I really need help in knowing what else

to purchase,

Thanks so much for helping a newbie !

Msmedic1_again

Vibrant Health! Daily tips for the body, mind and soul.

From Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs/vhform.html

Flat Rate Shipping! Just $4.90 per order this week! See Site for details

Don't miss the weekly specials!

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[Guest guest]

You do not have a preservative. You will need one or else keep it in the

frig

We carry liquid germall on our site.

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/store/suppl_1.html

Lucinda

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Re: Ready to make lotion I think a Newbie Project

I'm surprised the kit didn't come with a preservative. I like Liquid

[Guest guest]

I plan on ordering a preservative, is there anything I can buy this

weekend from a store to use in the 1st trial batch?

Thanks so much

msmedic1_again

- In , " Glenbrook Farm " <jenkins@g...>

wrote:

>

> You do not have a preservative. You will need one or else keep it

in the

> frig

> We carry liquid germall on our site.

> http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/store/suppl_1.html

>

>

> Lucinda

>

> America's Favorite Herb Shop!

> Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

> Bulk Herbs, Spices, Teas, Essential oils

> www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs

>

>

> Re: Ready to make lotion I think a Newbie

Project

>

> I'm surprised the kit didn't come with a preservative. I like

Liquid

>

[Guest guest]

Ms, one of the least expensive and readily available preservatives is

Vitamin E. I buy it in the gel caps and then cut them open and put

them right in my products. You get the benefits of the vitamin as well

as a preserviing agent.

>

> I plan on ordering a preservative, is there anything I can buy this

> weekend from a store to use in the 1st trial batch?

[Guest guest]

Vitamin E has very limited preservative qualities. It will keep oils from

going rancid they do not offer much protection from bacteria growth, most

natural presevatives can't be used in a high enough concentration to do this..

and

their beneifts in this manner are for IDEAL storage conditions.. steamy

bathrooms are not ideal conditions it will prolong the shelf life, but i

certainly

would never sell to the public using only a natural preservative. I know a few

who do, and they make customers sign a stability release form, realing them

from liability.

[Guest guest]

Vitamin E is an antioxidant and will help keep your oils from going

rancid too quickly. But it won't prevent the growth of yeast, mold or

bacteria if there is water in the formula. You will need another

preservative for that. I've just started making lotions too, and

haven't decided on a preservative yet. Until I do, I use the " small

batch and toss " approach -- make a small amount and keep it in the

fridge. If you don't use it all in a week, be sure to throw the rest

away.

Kathy

> >

> > I plan on ordering a preservative, is there anything I can buy this

> > weekend from a store to use in the 1st trial batch?

>

[Guest guest]

- Vitamin E is NOT a preservative - it is an anti-oxidant, which aids in

preventing rancidity of oils, not in preventing the spread of germs & microbes!

Namaste, Lynette

Terralyn - Bath, Body, Spirit

Reading Terminal Market

Philadelphia, PA

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info. I've also heard that grapeseed oil is a good

preservative. But with it's coloring am not sure what it might do to a

lotion.

>

> Vitamin E is an antioxidant and will help keep your oils from going

> rancid too quickly. But it won't prevent the growth of yeast, mold

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lynette, I'll have to look into other preservatives. What do

you usually use in your lotions, shampoos, and such?

>

> - Vitamin E is NOT a preservative - it is an anti-oxidant,

which aids in preventing rancidity of oils, not in preventing the

spread of germs & microbes!

> Namaste, Lynette

> Terralyn - Bath, Body, Spirit

> Reading Terminal Market

> Philadelphia, PA

>

>

[Guest guest]

Grapeseed oil is still, in my opinion, not an adequate preservative for

lotion. Unless you are going for that use and toss personal lotion you keep

in the fridge.

KimG

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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 2:06 PM

Subject: Re: Ready to make lotion I think a Newbie Project

Thanks for the info. I've also heard that grapeseed oil is a good

preservative. But with it's coloring am not sure what it might do to a

lotion.

>

> Vitamin E is an antioxidant and will help keep your oils from going

> rancid too quickly. But it won't prevent the growth of yeast, mold

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[Guest guest]

> Thanks for the info. I've also heard that grapeseed oil is a good

> preservative. But with it's coloring am not sure what it might do to a

> lotion.

Hi

Grapeseed oil is not a preservative! It is one of the oils with the shortest

shelf lifes and goes rancid very quickly. Are you not confusing it with

grapefruit seed extract? GSE could be used as a preservative.

Regards

Hanle

[Guest guest]

thanks so much ,

Unfortunately other things happened that kept us from making

lotion,like the inability of finding a digital scale for starters, I

did find orris root powder, though Vit E caps would be lots easier!

I'll keep this in mind, hopefully this next week I'll get a couple

smaller batches done !

Thanks again and everyone else who offered suggestions!

msmedic1_again

-- In , " "

<brambleicedancer2004@y...> wrote:

>

> Ms, one of the least expensive and readily available preservatives

is

> Vitamin E. I buy it in the gel caps and then cut them open and put

> them right in my products. You get the benefits of the vitamin as

well

> as a preserviing agent.

>

>

> >

> > I plan on ordering a preservative, is there anything I can buy

this

> > weekend from a store to use in the 1st trial batch?

>

[Guest guest]

Ok so if I am reading this right, the orris root will not be a

good preservative either? Should I go ahead and order a commercial

preservative? I only want a small amount, for the craft show stock

we are going with a lotion base, this is just for a few special

people.

Thanks

msmedic1_again

In , too2bizymom@a... wrote:

>

> Vitamin E has very limited preservative qualities. It will keep

oils from

> going rancid they do not offer much protection from bacteria

growth, most

> natural presevatives can't be used in a high enough concentration

to do this.. and

> their beneifts in this manner are for IDEAL storage conditions..

steamy

> bathrooms are not ideal conditions it will prolong the shelf

life, but i certainly

> would never sell to the public using only a natural preservative.

I know a few

> who do, and they make customers sign a stability release form,

realing them

> from liability.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would like to unsubscribe to the list --- will someone please remind me how?

Not that I do not appreciate your forum, but it does not fit what I had in mind

originally. Thanks so much,

Tamara

[Guest guest]

I don't like to use grapeseed oil at all because I found it goes rancid very

fast unless keep in the refrigerator and I don't think it is a preservative

karen

Serrano

Handmade Bath and Body Products

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[Guest guest]

, Orris root powder is not a preservative for lotions and can be a

sensitizer for many people. It is used in sachet and potpourri blends to hold

the scent, but is generally not considered safe for skin use. Vitamin E is also

NOT a preservative, but rather an anti-oxidant. that is, it helps to ward off

rancidity in oils. The same is true for rosemary oleoresin.

Namaste, Lynette

Terralyn - Bath, Body, Spirit

Reading Terminal Market

Philadelphia, PA

[Guest guest]

I am reading this with some alarm, as I am securing insurance this week. It

seems from info from the agency that quite a few products are causing numerous

insurance claims (and I hate to think of the ones not insured) because they are

being used from batches by people that are being led to believe a true

preservative is not needed. Vit E, grapefruit seed extract, etc. appear to have

great antioxidant properties, but I don't know that they have survived a real

lab challenge test.

I have tried to do extensive research and have not found ANY all natural

preservatives that have passed a lab challenge test (other than touting their

own labwork, draw your own conclusions).

Unless and until I do, I will be using a known and tested preservative at proper

amounts whether I use a base or make from scratch, which I am testing now. It

is in no way ready to be released to the public. I have purchased Germaben II

E, Optiphen Plus, and Phenonip. All come highly recommended by those with more

extensive experience than I in making their own personal care products formulas

and selling them.

I also do not know if having a customer sign a release will actually hold in a

real court case either. According to the insurance industry, home candlemakers

are still being held responsible for fires deemed to be caused from use of their

candles, despite the required warning stickers. I'm not sure I will ever make

candles because of this unless I can find a reputable insurance company that

doesn't charge more than I make in a year.

At 12:29 AM 1/23/2006, you wrote:

> Ok so if I am reading this right, the orris root will not be a

>good preservative either? Should I go ahead and order a commercial

>preservative? I only want a small amount, for the craft show stock

>we are going with a lotion base, this is just for a few special

>people.

>

>Thanks

>

>msmedic1_again

>

>

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know a chart/list of oils/butters shelf lives? I’ve always

wanted to see one.

KimG

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On Behalf Of karen serrano

Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:44 AM

Subject: RE: Re: Ready to make lotion I think a Newbie

Project

I don't like to use grapeseed oil at all because I found it goes rancid very

fast unless keep in the refrigerator and I don't think it is a preservative

karen

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[Guest guest]

Okay, Kim, I'm biting, what is a good preservative?

As you know, I'm new to most of this stuff. Though I've been doing

this as gifts for a few years, I've never had to worry about

preserving anything for long periods of time, b/c most of the stuff is

used up immediately. Now that I'm starting a business, I have to make

sure my stuff is safe.

I appreciate any advice you can give.

>

> Grapeseed oil is still, in my opinion, not an adequate preservative for

> lotion. Unless you are going for that use and toss personal lotion

you keep

> in the fridge.

>

>

>

> KimG

[Guest guest]

, I just bought a brand new digital scale on e-bay, and with

shipping and handling, it came to $53.00--which I didn't think was too

bad.

I know the company had lots of them.

>

> thanks so much ,

>

> Unfortunately other things happened that kept us from making

> lotion,like the inability of finding a digital scale for starters, I

> did find orris root powder, though Vit E caps would be lots easier!

> I'll keep this in mind, hopefully this next week I'll get a couple

> smaller batches done !

>

> Thanks again and everyone else who offered suggestions!

>

[Guest guest]

, be sure to read that correction that Traci sent b/c I made a typo and

didn’t put the E after Germaben II. Anyway, your supplier will help you

choose what preservative you will need for which formula.

For gifts, if you aren’t using the preservative, I’d just make sure your

recipient knows the “expiration date” as well as useage guidelines like

“keep refrigerated”. Just put it on your label.

KimG

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On Behalf Of

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:10 PM

Subject: Re: Ready to make lotion I think a Newbie Project

Kim, thanks for the insight, I'll be looking into preservatives then,

and since I haven't sold anything yet, but given stuff away as gifts,

think I can fall under the blanket.

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