Re: Re: eczema soap recipe--please

[Guest guest]

sometimes its what is NOT in it that make it good for eczema and allergies..I

make soaps for my neice and daughter.. both with eczema and my neice is

allergic to everything.. I leave out color and fragrance..add extra moisturizers

and things to clam the angry redness... I like to use roman chammomile in a lot

of their stuff.. it works better than anything else I have tried..

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/30/06 10:55:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

terralyn27@... writes:

> After all, you wash with it, leave it on for a mere few seconds, and then

> rinse it off.

Why do people think that your skin doesn't take in anything that isn't on it

for hours? Your skin takes in way more than most people on these lists think.

Yes, it's a barrier, but it still takes in many things that you put on it,

even if for a brief time.

[Guest guest]

I am always curious about the claims made for soap, i.e., good for eczema.

After all, you wash with it, leave it on for a mere few seconds, and then rinse

it off. I would think that a product made to leave on the skin might work

better.

Namaste, Lynette

Terralyn - Bath, Body, Spirit

Reading Terminal Market

Philadelphia, PA

[Guest guest]

yeah... I have allergies.. and some of the things I am allergic too only have

to touch my skin briefly for a reaction...like lanolin oil. I once had a

perfect V shaped rash down my back.. from the water trail of rinsing shampoo

from

my hair that had something in it I was allergic too.. LOL looked quite odd.

[Guest guest]

You may be right, but I don't know though - here at work the liquid

soap in the bathrooms dry our hands our something fierce. Using a

different kind of soap definitely helps.

On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:37 AM, LYNETTE MANTEAU wrote:

> I am always curious about the claims made for soap, i.e., good for

> eczema. After all, you wash with it, leave it on for a mere few

> seconds, and then rinse it off. I would think that a product made to

> leave on the skin might work better.

[Guest guest]

I think the main thing for eczema may be to use the soap that isn’t

irritating and drying to the skin. Though it may be washed off and not have

lasting effects with the skin, it’s important that while it’s doing it’s job

(cleaning) it not irritate the skin. So, couldn’t hurt to start with a soap

that is “good” for eczema and them go on, as Lynette says, to use something

left on the skin to really help heal it.

KimG

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On Behalf Of LYNETTE MANTEAU

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:37 AM

Subject: Re: Re: eczema soap recipe--please

I am always curious about the claims made for soap, i.e., good for eczema.

After all, you wash with it, leave it on for a mere few seconds, and then

rinse it off. I would think that a product made to leave on the skin might

work better.

Namaste, Lynette

Terralyn - Bath, Body, Spirit

Reading Terminal Market

Philadelphia, PA

[Guest guest]

That is amazing! I'm glad the hemp seed soap did the trick!

About Eczema... I suffered from this myself for years and years,

We got a water softener and filter system and now my skin is normal.

HEALED!! The iron in our water just ate up my skin.

I can tell when we are getting low on salt in the system because my skin

tells me so. Another thing to remember on the spiritual side, they claim

that eczema is " crying through the skin " The person can't cry so their skin

Cries for them. Because they are shoving their emotions down deep, it erupts

in the skin. I know stress did aggravate my skin condition.

As a Nurse I was under awful stress...now I am under stress but it is a good

stress.

Lucinda

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Re: Re: eczema soap recipe--please

Okay, I have to jump in on this thread. I had an infection on my ankle for

over two years. The doctors never quite figured out what was causing it

other than an allergy to something. At one point, in spite of being

treated with several different types of meds the infection created an ulcer

that went to the bone. After living with this thing for over two years, it

finally healed completely in 5 weeks. Why? The only change was tossing

out my shower gels and soap and using natural hemp seed oil soap...

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Sounds nice Jessi.

KimG

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On Behalf Of McBrayer

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:50 PM

Subject: Re: eczema soap recipe--please

I agree with Kim... you don't want to irritate the skin further or

strip the natural oils like detergent based soaps do. We make a

oatmeal and shea butter soap that doesn't cotain any color or

fragrance. Our base is a mix of olive/palm/coconut oils and it has

been our best seller. Great for eczema, dry skin, babies and great

for the face. Then we couple it with one of our butters. I have

one that I custom made for a lady and seems to work the best. You

can melt down some shea butter and a little beeswax - let cool a bit

and then add: neem oil, carrot seed EO, lavender EO, rose hydrosol

(rose water), neroli hydrosol, aloe vera juice and elemi EO

(optional). Whip it as it cools. Because this has the hydrosols

(floral waters) I tell the customer to keep it in the fridge or I

ask if they want me to add a preservative. Suprisingly enough I

have found that Germall II Plus is less irritating then Grapefruit

seed extract. A lot of people were complaining of allergies to it.

Add some Vit E also for an oil preservative and added nutrients. If

their skin is cut and abraded I add some tea tree oil for the

antibacterial... although the lavender does it to some degree.. tea

tree takes care of everything. The beeswax gives it some staying

power and added protection.

Jessi

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[Guest guest]

Wow.

Curious. Doesn’t sound like something you’d have been “using” those products

ON. How do you think they were affecting your infection/ulcer area?

Obviously natural things are better for you but how do you think these

“unnatural” products were causing the damage? Did they CAUSE the damage or

intensify, accelerate it and/or aggravate it?

Sounds horrible. Thank goodness you are better now.

KimG

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On Behalf Of Lynn Ayer

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:16 PM

Subject: Re: Re: eczema soap recipe--please

Okay, I have to jump in on this thread. I had an infection on my ankle for

over two years. The doctors never quite figured out what was causing it

other than an allergy to something. At one point, in spite of being

treated with several different types of meds the infection created an ulcer

that went to the bone. After living with this thing for over two years, it

finally healed completely in 5 weeks. Why? The only change was tossing

out my shower gels and soap and using natural hemp seed oil soap...

Lynn

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[Guest guest]

My nine y odd had the same thing happen with tea tree oil shampoo!!! We

were recommended to use a strong shampoo b/c there were lice going around

the school. Well, she used it and, as little kids do, she let it sit in her

hair as she played in the tub. The bubbles/suds dripped down the middle of

her forehead in a line (this is all stuff I realized afterward). She only

had the shampoo on a little while. Not even 15 minutes. Anyway, later that

night and the next day I could see this faint red discolor in that area and

it ran (as I said) down the middle of her forehead and RIGHT down her NOSE!

To the tip. Weird looking. Couldn’t figure it out. at first thought it

was sleep ‘pressure’ marks from laying on her face etc. Realized it wasn’t

that. Then I thought she’d marked on herself with a red marker! Not that.

Finally realized it was exactly where the shampoo had been in her hair, and

dripped down to the end of her nose. She especially didn’t leave that line

of suds going down her nose very long AT ALL so it only took moments of

contact to affect her skin. Of course we didn’t use that any more. :-)

KimG

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On Behalf Of too2bizymom@...

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:40 PM

Subject: Re: Re: eczema soap recipe--please

yeah... I have allergies.. and some of the things I am allergic too only

have

to touch my skin briefly for a reaction...like lanolin oil. I once had a

perfect V shaped rash down my back.. from the water trail of rinsing shampoo

from

my hair that had something in it I was allergic too.. LOL looked quite odd.

[Guest guest]

Ok, I have to say a little about this subject. My 2 year old son has eczema and

has had it since he was 6 months old. We started using our wonderful soap on

him in June. Since that time, the horrible skin patches have healed and he has

much better skin. Granted, it is still a little dry, but, it is sooo much

better. We tried using Aveno this and that, to no avail.

We are just so happy that he is not scratching his skin until it bleeds.

Had to laugh a bit about the crying through the skin thing, because, being a

child, he cries ALOT!

Love love love this list!

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[Guest guest]

My nine y odd had the same thing happen with tea tree oil shampoo!!! We

were recommended to use a strong shampoo b/c there were lice going around

the school. Well, she used it and, as little kids do, she let it sit in her

hair as she played in the tub. The bubbles/suds dripped down the middle of

her forehead in a line (this is all stuff I realized afterward). She only

had the shampoo on a little while. Not even 15 minutes. Anyway, later that

night and the next day I could see this faint red discolor in that area and

it ran (as I said) down the middle of her forehead and RIGHT down her NOSE!

To the tip. Weird looking. Couldn't figure it out. at first thought it

was sleep 'pressure' marks from laying on her face etc. Realized it wasn't

that. Then I thought she'd marked on herself with a red marker! Not that.

Finally realized it was exactly where the shampoo had been in her hair, and

dripped down to the end of her nose. She especially didn't leave that line

of suds going down her nose very long AT ALL so it only took moments of

contact to affect her skin. Of course we didn't use that any more. :-)

KimG

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On Behalf Of too2bizymom@...

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:40 PM

Subject: Re: Re: eczema soap recipe--please

yeah... I have allergies.. and some of the things I am allergic too only

have

to touch my skin briefly for a reaction...like lanolin oil. I once had a

perfect V shaped rash down my back.. from the water trail of rinsing shampoo

from

my hair that had something in it I was allergic too.. LOL looked quite odd.

[Guest guest]

I think it possibly may stem from the stance the FDA seems to take on soap

labeling. Apparently because soap doesn't 'sit' on the skin and is washed off,

they don't require the labeling in the same strict form as they would for a

product that would presumably be absorbed more due to longer time on the skin.

I don't think they assume because it is rinsed off that nothing stays, it's just

less of it due to dilution with water and presumably quick rinsing off.

My thoughts are that you can find irritants in anything, and all it takes is

contact sometimes (the longer, the more worse it might be; but contact

nonetheless).

Also to be considered is that other soaps/gels/washes may simply have the more

irritating/drying effect REGARDLESS of time left on the skin. The drying effect

may simply delay or interfere with the healing process rather than cause it.

At the other end, rather than hemp oil soap (or others) being healing in and of

itself, it may have more to do with the neutral non-irritating factor than with

any true medicinal healing value. They may simply be

non-drying/non-irritating/more moisturizing (which might put them under FDA

jurisdiction if they can prove it ;-) ).

Please don't misconstrue that as the soap not being helpful; if it works, hey,

it works no matter what the reason.

Frieda

At 10:46 AM 1/30/2006, you wrote:

>In a message dated 1/30/06 10:55:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>terralyn27@... writes:

>

>> After all, you wash with it, leave it on for a mere few seconds, and then

>> rinse it off.

>

>Why do people think that your skin doesn't take in anything that isn't on it

>for hours? Your skin takes in way more than most people on these lists think.

>Yes, it's a barrier, but it still takes in many things that you put on it,

>even if for a brief time.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Response to " denmarbauc "

Firstly, I have no knowledge about the number of people on this list that may or

may not think that what goes on their skin for small periods of time has

molecules which are small enough to be considered trans-dermal and are able to

pass beyond the dermis, epidermis, subcutaneous levels etc. I personally do not

presume to know these percentages. Nor do I possess a degree in chemistry or

dermatology so that I have the information you seem to suggest you have while

some of us do not. Perhaps you could elucidate and share your seemingly

knowledgeable research with those of us who remain, shall I say, misinformed at

best and perhaps ignorant at worst. I appreciate your informed input.

Namaste, Lynette

Terralyn - Bath, Body, Spirit

Reading Terminal Market

Philadelphia, PA

[Guest guest]

Lynn - I am glad your ulcer healed - it may have been because you tossed the

items you were using. I have been making cold-process soap for ten years and

would never consider going back to commercially made products. In fact, I make

my living from my hand-made soap. One of the reasons soap does not come under

the jurisdiction of the FDA and so does not need to have ingredients listed, is

because of the small amount of time it stays on the skin and is then rinsed off.

So, you may have healed because you got rid of whatever it was that bothered you

in the first place. As far as washing your hands frequently, i.e., nurses,

pre-school teachers, same thing. If you use harsh soap, you risk rough, red

hands.

Namaste, Lynette

Terralyn - Bath, Body, Spirit

Reading Terminal Market

Philadelphia, PA

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/30/06 3:34:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,

snardles@... writes:

> The only change was tossing out my shower gels and soap and using natural

> hemp seed oil soap...

>

Thank you, Lynn. Marcia

[Guest guest]

Kim,

I don't think the products I was using were the problem -- although I have

several allegies I had been using those products for years. If they had been

the cause, the problem would not have just remained on my ankle. Rather, I

think the hemp seed oil soap helped.

Good questions though. You've given me something to ponder about.

Lynn

Kim Godlewski <kim@...> wrote: Wow.

Curious. Doesn’t sound like something you’d have been “using” those products

ON. How do you think they were affecting your infection/ulcer area?

Obviously natural things are better for you but how do you think these

“unnatural” products were causing the damage? Did they CAUSE the damage or

intensify, accelerate it and/or aggravate it?

Sounds horrible. Thank goodness you are better now.

KimG

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Lynn Ayer

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:16 PM

Subject: Re: Re: eczema soap recipe--please

Okay, I have to jump in on this thread. I had an infection on my ankle for

over two years. The doctors never quite figured out what was causing it

other than an allergy to something. At one point, in spite of being

treated with several different types of meds the infection created an ulcer

that went to the bone. After living with this thing for over two years, it

finally healed completely in 5 weeks. Why? The only change was tossing

out my shower gels and soap and using natural hemp seed oil soap...

Lynn

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