Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 Hi Tim I've come across this before and the alternative is to place the stretcher in a half height open container and lift both of them with tag lines and the such - makes a lot of sense as it will protect the casualty from bumps and knocks etc. 2nd, all the lifting bridals can be certified fit for lifting & a visual inspection of the stretcher by a certified engr will pass a stretcher which has a load limit stamped on form the manufacture (ferno baskets have this) hope that helps Best wishes Stretchers Hi all, it seems that I'm asking lot's of questions and not coming up with many answers - sorry about that! A question has been raised concerning the lifting of stretchers. I have always been a fan of the Spine Board/Scoop/Neil on and Basket stretcher combination for moving casualties about. From time to time the question is raised of 'is a Basket Stretcher suitable for lifting by crane or winch etc'. Our Safety Department are saying no - you cannot certify a Basket Stretcher, nor does it carry any test certification. Therefore if you need to move a stretcher by crane etc you can't use the Basket, what they don't say however is what the alternative is. I would be really grateful to anyone who has dealt with these issues before that can offer some advice and alternatives. Does anyone know what type of stretcher is used by the Coastguard or RAF for helicopter winching. Regards Tim Betts Mobil North Sea Limited, Incorporated with limited liability in Delaware, USA under Registration No. 0619522. Registered as a branch in Scotland No. BR000651. Registered Office: ExxonMobil House, Ermyn Way, Leatherhead, Surrey KT22 8UX. An ExxonMobil subsidiary Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 Tim I presume you are on a rig and your HSE dept have a policy for certifying man riding, lifting strapes, body harnesses and the like, as well as other lifting items. From my experience the lifting gear for a basket stretcher is also part of regular certification and if not should be. The basket it self is another matter and the manufacturer of such baskets normally issue a certificate of worthiness and recommendations for inspection. Regards Tony M. Stretchers Hi all, it seems that I'm asking lot's of questions and not coming up with many answers - sorry about that! A question has been raised concerning the lifting of stretchers. I have always been a fan of the Spine Board/Scoop/Neil on and Basket stretcher combination for moving casualties about. From time to time the question is raised of 'is a Basket Stretcher suitable for lifting by crane or winch etc'. Our Safety Department are saying no - you cannot certify a Basket Stretcher, nor does it carry any test certification. Therefore if you need to move a stretcher by crane etc you can't use the Basket, what they don't say however is what the alternative is. I would be really grateful to anyone who has dealt with these issues before that can offer some advice and alternatives. Does anyone know what type of stretcher is used by the Coastguard or RAF for helicopter winching. Regards Tim Betts Mobil North Sea Limited, Incorporated with limited liability in Delaware, USA under Registration No. 0619522. Registered as a branch in Scotland No. BR000651. Registered Office: ExxonMobil House, Ermyn Way, Leatherhead, Surrey KT22 8UX. An ExxonMobil subsidiary Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 We have the lifting bridle supplied by Ferno and manufactured by Troll, that is an item that can be tested by our contractor. I am told though that the stretcher itself can not be tested. 's comments make a lot of sense to me - I would have thought that a visual inspection would be satisfactory. Also as pointed out - we could put the Basket into an open container. Another suggestion I have had is to wrap the whole thing in a cargo net and lift it like that - could make access a bit tricky though.... regards Tim Betts " Base Paramedic [bT] " < > <b.paramedic@agipk cc: co.com> Subject: RE: Stretchers 01/06/03 10:42 Please respond to RemoteSupportMedic s Tim I presume you are on a rig and your HSE dept have a policy for certifying man riding, lifting strapes, body harnesses and the like, as well as other lifting items. From my experience the lifting gear for a basket stretcher is also part of regular certification and if not should be. The basket it self is another matter and the manufacturer of such baskets normally issue a certificate of worthiness and recommendations for inspection. Regards Tony M. Stretchers Hi all, it seems that I'm asking lot's of questions and not coming up with many answers - sorry about that! A question has been raised concerning the lifting of stretchers. I have always been a fan of the Spine Board/Scoop/Neil on and Basket stretcher combination for moving casualties about. From time to time the question is raised of 'is a Basket Stretcher suitable for lifting by crane or winch etc'. Our Safety Department are saying no - you cannot certify a Basket Stretcher, nor does it carry any test certification. Therefore if you need to move a stretcher by crane etc you can't use the Basket, what they don't say however is what the alternative is. I would be really grateful to anyone who has dealt with these issues before that can offer some advice and alternatives. Does anyone know what type of stretcher is used by the Coastguard or RAF for helicopter winching. Regards Tim Betts Mobil North Sea Limited, Incorporated with limited liability in Delaware, USA under Registration No. 0619522. Registered as a branch in Scotland No. BR000651. Registered Office: ExxonMobil House, Ermyn Way, Leatherhead, Surrey KT22 8UX. An ExxonMobil subsidiary Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 Tim Sounds like you'll have to surreptitiously injure one of your safety bods in an area that requires a crane lift. There must be thousands of these stretchers around the oil industry and I've been it for nearly 9 years now and I have never heard of a problem with them being lifted by a crane or a tugger line. Ask your " safety people " to produce the facts and prove their point. Do you happen to have a FROG on board your rig if you are off shore what do they make of that when it is fitted to take a basket stretcher. Tony M Stretchers Hi all, it seems that I'm asking lot's of questions and not coming up with many answers - sorry about that! A question has been raised concerning the lifting of stretchers. I have always been a fan of the Spine Board/Scoop/Neil on and Basket stretcher combination for moving casualties about. From time to time the question is raised of 'is a Basket Stretcher suitable for lifting by crane or winch etc'. Our Safety Department are saying no - you cannot certify a Basket Stretcher, nor does it carry any test certification. Therefore if you need to move a stretcher by crane etc you can't use the Basket, what they don't say however is what the alternative is. I would be really grateful to anyone who has dealt with these issues before that can offer some advice and alternatives. Does anyone know what type of stretcher is used by the Coastguard or RAF for helicopter winching. Regards Tim Betts Mobil North Sea Limited, Incorporated with limited liability in Delaware, USA under Registration No. 0619522. Registered as a branch in Scotland No. BR000651. Registered Office: ExxonMobil House, Ermyn Way, Leatherhead, Surrey KT22 8UX. An ExxonMobil subsidiary Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 So long as the equipment has the correct certification papers, there should be no argument from any HSE department. How do they test lifting equipment? The answer is they cannot because if the lifting harness is rated at 300kg, what do they test it to?? 300kg and then the harness is stuffed because it has been used at max load. Its like climbing rope we all know that you can only have a certain number of falls on a climbing rope before its advised that you throw it away - so if we test it to its rated breaking strain then you have to throw it away. The manufacturers test it to destruction at the factory and then issue a certificate for the type of construction of the rope. Ask them how they test lifting shackles? Answer is that they don't - the shackle comes with a certificate from the manufacturer and as long as there is no visible damage to the shackle, it passes the test. So show them the certification from the manufacturers of the basket and that is enough. Struan Stretchers > > > Hi all, > it seems that I'm asking lot's of questions and not coming up with > many answers - sorry about that! > A question has been raised concerning the lifting of stretchers. I have > always been a fan of the Spine Board/Scoop/Neil on and Basket > stretcher combination for moving casualties about. From time to time the > question is raised of 'is a Basket Stretcher suitable for lifting by crane > or winch etc'. > Our Safety Department are saying no - you cannot certify a Basket > Stretcher, nor does it carry any test certification. Therefore if you need > to move a stretcher by crane etc you can't use the Basket, what they don't > say however is what the alternative is. I would be really grateful to > anyone who has dealt with these issues before that can offer some advice > and alternatives. Does anyone know what type of stretcher is used by the > Coastguard or RAF for helicopter winching. > > Regards > > Tim Betts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mobil North Sea Limited, Incorporated with limited liability in > Delaware, USA under > Registration No. 0619522. Registered as a branch in Scotland No. > BR000651. Registered Office: > ExxonMobil House, Ermyn Way, Leatherhead, Surrey KT22 8UX. An ExxonMobil > subsidiary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to > the list owner. > > Post message: egroups > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > Regards > > The Remote Medics Team > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 We've all been scratching our collective heads here, an unofficial comment was 'we'll be led by you on this anyway'! I have had a casualty lifted (with me attached) on a previous job, we used a spinal board and basket along with the manufactures supplied lifting bridle - no problem whatsoever. I wonder if this is just a corporate paranoia issue? Tim Betts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 Hi Tim this mightv throw the cat among the pigeons but I have done a basket stretcher transfer with th beryl bravo platform although this was many moons ago it was done most type 71 fw stretchers have a plate inside them to say what weight they are tested to , also all our stretcher strops are tested every year. best regards pete reynolds Stretchers > Hi all, > it seems that I'm asking lot's of questions and not coming up with > many answers - sorry about that! > A question has been raised concerning the lifting of stretchers. I have > always been a fan of the Spine Board/Scoop/Neil on and Basket > stretcher combination for moving casualties about. From time to time the > question is raised of 'is a Basket Stretcher suitable for lifting by crane > or winch etc'. > Our Safety Department are saying no - you cannot certify a Basket > Stretcher, nor does it carry any test certification. Therefore if you need > to move a stretcher by crane etc you can't use the Basket, what they don't > say however is what the alternative is. I would be really grateful to > anyone who has dealt with these issues before that can offer some advice > and alternatives. Does anyone know what type of stretcher is used by the > Coastguard or RAF for helicopter winching. > > Regards > > Tim Betts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mobil North Sea Limited, Incorporated with limited liability in Delaware, USA under > Registration No. 0619522. Registered as a branch in Scotland No. BR000651. Registered Office: > ExxonMobil House, Ermyn Way, Leatherhead, Surrey KT22 8UX. An ExxonMobil subsidiary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. > > Post message: egroups > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > Regards > > The Remote Medics Team > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 What about lifting the strether using the frog or basket adapted to this pete reynolds Stretchers > > > > > > Hi all, > > it seems that I'm asking lot's of questions and not coming up with > > many answers - sorry about that! > > A question has been raised concerning the lifting of stretchers. I have > > always been a fan of the Spine Board/Scoop/Neil on and Basket > > stretcher combination for moving casualties about. From time to time the > > question is raised of 'is a Basket Stretcher suitable for lifting by crane > > or winch etc'. > > Our Safety Department are saying no - you cannot certify a Basket > > Stretcher, nor does it carry any test certification. Therefore if you > need > > to move a stretcher by crane etc you can't use the Basket, what they don't > > say however is what the alternative is. I would be really grateful to > > anyone who has dealt with these issues before that can offer some advice > > and alternatives. Does anyone know what type of stretcher is used by the > > Coastguard or RAF for helicopter winching. > > > > Regards > > > > Tim Betts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mobil North Sea Limited, Incorporated with limited liability in > > Delaware, USA under > > Registration No. 0619522. Registered as a branch in Scotland No. > > BR000651. Registered Office: > > ExxonMobil House, Ermyn Way, Leatherhead, Surrey KT22 8UX. An > ExxonMobil > > subsidiary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Member Information: > > > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent > to > > the list owner. > > > > Post message: egroups > > > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > > > Regards > > > > The Remote Medics Team > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 While you are on the subject do you winch up to choppers with these, or do they have to land, and also what precautions are taken for grounding electrically, may seem a daft question but I am curious? JC Re: Stretchers >Hi Tim this mightv throw the cat among the pigeons but I have done a basket >stretcher transfer with th beryl bravo platform although this was many >moons ago it was done most type 71 fw stretchers have a plate inside them >to say what weight they are tested to , also all our stretcher strops are >tested every year. > >best regards pete reynolds > Stretchers > > >> Hi all, >> it seems that I'm asking lot's of questions and not coming up with >> many answers - sorry about that! >> A question has been raised concerning the lifting of stretchers. I have >> always been a fan of the Spine Board/Scoop/Neil on and Basket >> stretcher combination for moving casualties about. From time to time the >> question is raised of 'is a Basket Stretcher suitable for lifting by crane >> or winch etc'. >> Our Safety Department are saying no - you cannot certify a Basket >> Stretcher, nor does it carry any test certification. Therefore if you >need >> to move a stretcher by crane etc you can't use the Basket, what they don't >> say however is what the alternative is. I would be really grateful to >> anyone who has dealt with these issues before that can offer some advice >> and alternatives. Does anyone know what type of stretcher is used by the >> Coastguard or RAF for helicopter winching. >> >> Regards >> >> Tim Betts >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mobil North Sea Limited, Incorporated with limited liability in >Delaware, USA under >> Registration No. 0619522. Registered as a branch in Scotland No. >BR000651. Registered Office: >> ExxonMobil House, Ermyn Way, Leatherhead, Surrey KT22 8UX. An >ExxonMobil subsidiary >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Member Information: >> >> List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... >> Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... >> >> ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent >to the list owner. >> >> Post message: egroups >> >> Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk >> >> Regards >> >> The Remote Medics Team >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Hi , I believe that the RAF, RN & HMCG choppers ONLY winch with their own stretchers and winching up is not a problem as the static is contained in the airframe - winching down the stretcher is placed on the ground before being touched to disapate any static (I'm sure that other Aeromedical trained people will confirm this ) best wishes Re: Stretchers >Hi Tim this mightv throw the cat among the pigeons but I have done a basket >stretcher transfer with th beryl bravo platform although this was many >moons ago it was done most type 71 fw stretchers have a plate inside them >to say what weight they are tested to , also all our stretcher strops are >tested every year. > >best regards pete reynolds > Stretchers > > >> Hi all, >> it seems that I'm asking lot's of questions and not coming up with >> many answers - sorry about that! >> A question has been raised concerning the lifting of stretchers. I have >> always been a fan of the Spine Board/Scoop/Neil on and Basket >> stretcher combination for moving casualties about. From time to time the >> question is raised of 'is a Basket Stretcher suitable for lifting by crane >> or winch etc'. >> Our Safety Department are saying no - you cannot certify a Basket >> Stretcher, nor does it carry any test certification. Therefore if you >need >> to move a stretcher by crane etc you can't use the Basket, what they don't >> say however is what the alternative is. I would be really grateful to >> anyone who has dealt with these issues before that can offer some advice >> and alternatives. Does anyone know what type of stretcher is used by the >> Coastguard or RAF for helicopter winching. >> >> Regards >> >> Tim Betts >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mobil North Sea Limited, Incorporated with limited liability in >Delaware, USA under >> Registration No. 0619522. Registered as a branch in Scotland No. >BR000651. Registered Office: >> ExxonMobil House, Ermyn Way, Leatherhead, Surrey KT22 8UX. An >ExxonMobil subsidiary >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Member Information: >> >> List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... >> Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... >> >> ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent >to the list owner. >> >> Post message: egroups >> >> Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk >> >> Regards >> >> The Remote Medics Team >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 If you are on land then allow the hook or stretcher to touch the ground prior to handling. On board ship the hook or stretcher can be allowed to touch the deck provided it does so in an area where there are no explosive gases present. Some ships have marked off winching areas where there is no gases present. No oil tanks are to be vented prior to or during the winching process. If it is required that a person come into contact with the hook or cable prior to touching the deck then, ideally, insulated gloves and boots should be worn. Another method which I have used before is to hit the winch hook quickly with a gloved hand, this has worked for me whilst on the side of cliff faces where, due to the conditions it was impossible to ground the hook. Don't ask me how or why it works but it definitely dissipated the static electricity. Another important point about stretcher hoisting is to use tag lines (climbing rope) from the ground to the stretcher. It is important to note that under NO circumstances are these tag lines to be attached to anything, one person holding the line is sufficient. The tag lines should be passed through one corner of the stretcher then up to the attachment point of the lifting bridle to the winch hook, this allows the winchman to unclip the tag line and drop it free once the stretcher reaches the helicopter. These tag lines prevent the oscillation of the basket as it comes under the effect of the downwash from the rotor blades. This oscillation is worst with basket stretchers that have a solid base i.e. stokes basket. The basket stretchers that have an expanded mesh base are not as prone to oscillation. Struan _____________________________________________________ de nihilio nihil, in nihilum nil posse reverti Stretchers > > > > > >> Hi all, > >> it seems that I'm asking lot's of questions and not coming up with > >> many answers - sorry about that! > >> A question has been raised concerning the lifting of stretchers. I have > >> always been a fan of the Spine Board/Scoop/Neil on and Basket > >> stretcher combination for moving casualties about. From time to time the > >> question is raised of 'is a Basket Stretcher suitable for lifting by > crane > >> or winch etc'. > >> Our Safety Department are saying no - you cannot certify a Basket > >> Stretcher, nor does it carry any test certification. Therefore if you > >need > >> to move a stretcher by crane etc you can't use the Basket, what they > don't > >> say however is what the alternative is. I would be really grateful to > >> anyone who has dealt with these issues before that can offer some advice > >> and alternatives. Does anyone know what type of stretcher is used by the > >> Coastguard or RAF for helicopter winching. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Tim Betts > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Mobil North Sea Limited, Incorporated with limited liability in > >Delaware, USA under > >> Registration No. 0619522. Registered as a branch in Scotland No. > >BR000651. Registered Office: > >> ExxonMobil House, Ermyn Way, Leatherhead, Surrey KT22 8UX. An > >ExxonMobil subsidiary > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Member Information: > >> > >> List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > >> Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > >> > >> ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent > >to the list owner. > >> > >> Post message: egroups > >> > >> Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> The Remote Medics Team > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 In my experience as a SAR medic flying in RN Sea Kings, we always used our own stretchers. In this litigous day and age, we would never have taken the chance of trusting someone elses kit! These can be winched or loaded with the cab landed on. We always had a 'zap lead' attached to our winch hook no matter whether a person on a stretcher was being lowered. This is a static discharge line, which hangs below the object/person on the end of the hook and dissipates the static, thus removing the need for a static hook by the deck crew (a member of a deck crew once forgot to take the weight from the static hook out of his pocket and flew 10 feet accross the deck when he touched the winch hook with it...we shouldn't have laughed really!) In a difficult winching position, we always employed a 'hi-line' transfer rope. This is attached to the winch hook, the crewman holds onto a loop and the deck crew feed the line out as required. On completion of winching, this is then pulled up into the cab. The hi-line has a weak break point incorporated. Magz Re: Stretchers >Hi Tim this mightv throw the cat among the pigeons but I have done a basket >stretcher transfer with th beryl bravo platform although this was many >moons ago it was done most type 71 fw stretchers have a plate inside them >to say what weight they are tested to , also all our stretcher strops are >tested every year. > >best regards pete reynolds > Stretchers > > >> Hi all, >> it seems that I'm asking lot's of questions and not coming up with >> many answers - sorry about that! >> A question has been raised concerning the lifting of stretchers. I have >> always been a fan of the Spine Board/Scoop/Neil on and Basket >> stretcher combination for moving casualties about. From time to time the >> question is raised of 'is a Basket Stretcher suitable for lifting by crane >> or winch etc'. >> Our Safety Department are saying no - you cannot certify a Basket >> Stretcher, nor does it carry any test certification. Therefore if you >need >> to move a stretcher by crane etc you can't use the Basket, what they don't >> say however is what the alternative is. I would be really grateful to >> anyone who has dealt with these issues before that can offer some advice >> and alternatives. Does anyone know what type of stretcher is used by the >> Coastguard or RAF for helicopter winching. >> >> Regards >> >> Tim Betts >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mobil North Sea Limited, Incorporated with limited liability in >Delaware, USA under >> Registration No. 0619522. Registered as a branch in Scotland No. >BR000651. Registered Office: >> ExxonMobil House, Ermyn Way, Leatherhead, Surrey KT22 8UX. An >ExxonMobil subsidiary >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Member Information: >> >> List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... >> Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... >> >> ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent >to the list owner. >> >> Post message: egroups >> >> Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk <http://www.remotemedics.co.uk> >> >> Regards >> >> The Remote Medics Team >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Much obliged for the clarification, I have seen a USCG member similarly moved by the electrical discharge you can't help laughing though can you. Mind how you go and stay safe. JC Re: Stretchers > > >>Hi Tim this mightv throw the cat among the pigeons but I have done a basket >>stretcher transfer with th beryl bravo platform although this was many >>moons ago it was done most type 71 fw stretchers have a plate inside them >>to say what weight they are tested to , also all our stretcher strops are >>tested every year. >> >>best regards pete reynolds >> Stretchers >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> it seems that I'm asking lot's of questions and not coming up with >>> many answers - sorry about that! >>> A question has been raised concerning the lifting of stretchers. I have >>> always been a fan of the Spine Board/Scoop/Neil on and Basket >>> stretcher combination for moving casualties about. From time to time the >>> question is raised of 'is a Basket Stretcher suitable for lifting by >crane >>> or winch etc'. >>> Our Safety Department are saying no - you cannot certify a Basket >>> Stretcher, nor does it carry any test certification. Therefore if you >>need >>> to move a stretcher by crane etc you can't use the Basket, what they >don't >>> say however is what the alternative is. I would be really grateful to >>> anyone who has dealt with these issues before that can offer some advice >>> and alternatives. Does anyone know what type of stretcher is used by the >>> Coastguard or RAF for helicopter winching. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Tim Betts >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mobil North Sea Limited, Incorporated with limited liability in >>Delaware, USA under >>> Registration No. 0619522. Registered as a branch in Scotland No. >>BR000651. Registered Office: >>> ExxonMobil House, Ermyn Way, Leatherhead, Surrey KT22 8UX. An >>ExxonMobil subsidiary >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Member Information: >>> >>> List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... >>> Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... >>> >>> ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent >>to the list owner. >>> >>> Post message: egroups >>> >>> Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk ><http://www.remotemedics.co.uk> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> The Remote Medics Team >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 no we usually winch of using the choppers stretchers regards pgr Stretchers > > > > > >> Hi all, > >> it seems that I'm asking lot's of questions and not coming up with > >> many answers - sorry about that! > >> A question has been raised concerning the lifting of stretchers. I have > >> always been a fan of the Spine Board/Scoop/Neil on and Basket > >> stretcher combination for moving casualties about. From time to time the > >> question is raised of 'is a Basket Stretcher suitable for lifting by > crane > >> or winch etc'. > >> Our Safety Department are saying no - you cannot certify a Basket > >> Stretcher, nor does it carry any test certification. Therefore if you > >need > >> to move a stretcher by crane etc you can't use the Basket, what they > don't > >> say however is what the alternative is. I would be really grateful to > >> anyone who has dealt with these issues before that can offer some advice > >> and alternatives. Does anyone know what type of stretcher is used by the > >> Coastguard or RAF for helicopter winching. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Tim Betts > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Mobil North Sea Limited, Incorporated with limited liability in > >Delaware, USA under > >> Registration No. 0619522. Registered as a branch in Scotland No. > >BR000651. Registered Office: > >> ExxonMobil House, Ermyn Way, Leatherhead, Surrey KT22 8UX. An > >ExxonMobil subsidiary > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Member Information: > >> > >> List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > >> Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > >> > >> ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent > >to the list owner. > >> > >> Post message: egroups > >> > >> Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> The Remote Medics Team > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Rab, Two cheaper alternatives than the paraguard include the reeves sleeve http://www.999supplies.com/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/26/produc ts_id/389 and to a lesser extent the MIBBS http://www.rescueandmedical.com/product_detail.asp?ID=360 Hope this helps Ian > Hi Guys & Galls, The Paragaurd stretchers on our rig are ready to > meet thier maker, ie, Old,Nackered,with no certificates whatsoever. > > The question is: Do I replace them with new Paragaurds (£750 + X 4) or > should I go for the Niel on,(Which I think is the better > stretcher). > Would like to hear some of your views on the subject, before going > ahead on the purchase. > We already have 2 basket stretchers, but not a lot of room for > storage. > > Yours Aye > Rab Aitken > SNS Rig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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