RE: Newspaper Arcticle:HOSPITAL PORTERS TURNED INTO DOOCS.

[Guest guest]

Rab Any more details please, where was the article published?

Newspaper Arcticle:HOSPITAL PORTERS TURNED

INTO DOOCS.

Hi Guys & Gals,

Read with interest the above mentioned arcticle yesterday. Without going

into the whole article,it stated that

Theoretically,porters could become doctors in as little as 4 years. The

Leicester and Warwick medical schools (In conjunction with

Loughborough Colledge).

The course is aimed at those within the medical profession who have

few or no academic qualification,which could lead onto fast track

medical degrees.

The idea is to to help tackle NHS shortages,ease the GP crisis and

widen peoples access to careers.

Up to 25 people will be recruited for the first course.The course is

being targeted at people in the auxil-iary and admin positions within

the NHS.

People who dont have the necessary A levels stand a much better

chance of winning a place on the medical degree course once they have

studied on the foundation course.

I thought this was a very interesting article,especially for those in

the group.

Yours Aye

Rab Aitken.

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There is a fast track 4 year degree in OZ for those who wish to obtain medical

qualifications which sounds similar. Having said that though there entery

requirements are a little more stringent , with the applicant needing to have a

Degree of some form prior to entry. Many of the applicants had at least 1 or 2

degrees to back themselves up if not at least Masters or Phd. Entry criteria

also consistered of a battery of tests including an interview for those lucky to

make it through till the final stages. The Flinders University of South

Australia (OZ) does one such course, if anyone is interested email them to find

there current criteria.

Cheers Dave.

Ian Sharpe <Ian@...> wrote:Rab Any more details please, where

was the article published?

Newspaper Arcticle:HOSPITAL PORTERS TURNED

INTO DOOCS.

Hi Guys & Gals,

Read with interest the above mentioned arcticle yesterday. Without going

into the whole article,it stated that

Theoretically,porters could become doctors in as little as 4 years. The

Leicester and Warwick medical schools (In conjunction with

Loughborough Colledge).

The course is aimed at those within the medical profession who have

few or no academic qualification,which could lead onto fast track

medical degrees.

The idea is to to help tackle NHS shortages,ease the GP crisis and

widen peoples access to careers.

Up to 25 people will be recruited for the first course.The course is

being targeted at people in the auxil-iary and admin positions within

the NHS.

People who dont have the necessary A levels stand a much better

chance of winning a place on the medical degree course once they have

studied on the foundation course.

I thought this was a very interesting article,especially for those in

the group.

Yours Aye

Rab Aitken.

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Rab,

There a couple of such courses in the UK, but I have only heard of them

opening the doors for graduates and not as direct entry from school. It

roughly slices a year off the time it takes and hopefully produces a more

mature doc at the end. Some courses have been criticised as lacking in

scientific content and some junior docs not really knowing the difference

between their arses and their elbows.

It would be interesting to see the longterm outcome of this. I know that the

older adult learner is more open advanced learner than the younger and may

also think better, but will have to wait for the proof.

Ross

>

>

> Newspaper Arcticle:HOSPITAL PORTERS TURNED

> INTO DOOCS.

>

>

> Hi Guys & Gals,

> Read with interest the above mentioned arcticle yesterday. Without going

> into the whole article,it stated that

> Theoretically,porters could become doctors in as little as 4 years. The

> Leicester and Warwick medical schools (In conjunction with

> Loughborough Colledge).

> The course is aimed at those within the medical profession who have

> few or no academic qualification,which could lead onto fast track

> medical degrees.

> The idea is to to help tackle NHS shortages,ease the GP crisis and

> widen peoples access to careers.

> Up to 25 people will be recruited for the first course.The course is

> being targeted at people in the auxil-iary and admin positions within

> the NHS.

> People who dont have the necessary A levels stand a much better

> chance of winning a place on the medical degree course once they have

> studied on the foundation course.

> I thought this was a very interesting article,especially for those in

> the group.

>

> Yours Aye

> Rab Aitken.

>

>

>

> Member Information:

>

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[Guest guest]

I know a little about the aspirations behind this article. By the way

hi Rab. Long time.

At this time the NHS is examining ways of reducing the crisis in the

NHS regarding docs. This situation will be compounded later this year

when doctors hours are limited by legislation.

It is a complex issue and has many implcations for military medics.

The work that I am doing within the military is linking in with the

NHS Changing Workforce Programme that is examining this issue. Indeed

CMTs may provide the model (allbeit with some modification) into a

multi disciplinary approach to health care provision.

The aspiration would be to make it easier to access medical

education at all levels of provision. Not just at nurse and doctor

level.

A military medic provides a good basis to presume that this may work.

After all military medics provide a range of clinical skills that

have value in the military but not as yet in the NHS. This is

bizarre!

A NHS version of the military medic could work within general

practice and within hospitals. Previously military medics have even

specialised in the past, for example in GU/STD clinics, releasing the

doctors for those patients who need their level of intervention.

Miltary medics and therefore by implication NHS techs (in whatever

guise and whatever names they take) can add value at their level in

the provision of care. This is being examined by an NHS working group

mid April that I will be attending.

As part of my work we, the army, are looking to introduce PA's in the

next few years. Indeed I will be going to Canada to examine the

feasability of sending the first few army medics on the two year

course that is run by the Canadian military. In the UK, 3 PA's

recruited in the USA are working in Tipton, West Mids.

With the introduction of degree courses for nurse practitioners and

paramedic practitioners new tiers of care are being opened up across

the NHS.

Education has for many years now been seen to be inclusive with

access to education for all.

In sum, there is every reason to believe that hospital porters in the

future would be able to access medical education. To think that they

would be just thrown in though would not be the case.

There are some interesting knock on benefits as far as the remote

medic community is concerned. In discussions that I have had

recently, there is a drive within the military and the NHS to license

medical practitioners at all levels. For the military this could be

assisted by the setting up of an academic and audit body at the

Defence Medical College with links into the appropriate bodies in the

medical colleges outwith the military. Therefore it would be

reasonable to assume that on completion of service professional

membership could be maintained. This means that for the first time,

our profession, whether military or remote, will be able to be

licensed and linked to professional bodies. More likely, I would

imagine that the Professional Health Council would hold the

collective register, on behalf of patients for these professions. It

is only another step for amendments to be made within our affecting

legislation to put us on the same par with other licensed medical

professions.

Of course this is not going to happen immediately. (y!)

There is a huge amount of work, negotiation, and dogged determination

to go before this legitimises the professions at a much higher and

formal level than the present.

I think that their exciting times ahead. Perhaps this article that

Rab has brought to our attention is not so ridiculous as it first

appears. I am sure there will be those that will see this as an

attempt to demonstrate how the NHS is breaking down. But I really do

not see how, with the situation as it currently is within the NHS,

and is going to be later this year, what viable alternative there is

without mass importing of doctors and nurses from other countries. I

think we as a number of distinct but related groups will benefit in

the medium to long term.

My suggestion would be that we as a group should consider putting our

political heads on and get ready to go into bat on this issue. A

statement of our situation and a strategy for inclusion into the

process could be developed and made ready for a representation at the

right time. If legislation is ammended to include military medics

into the Medicines Act and the the extension of the use of PGD's then

maybe we should be ready for that time when it comes rather than

playing catchup. Changes are going to happen, whether it ultimately

adopts the modeling above or some other model I believe that we

should be at least examining the issues.

Comments welcomed.

Dave

> Rab,

>

> There a couple of such courses in the UK, but I have only heard of

them

> opening the doors for graduates and not as direct entry from

school. It

> roughly slices a year off the time it takes and hopefully produces

a more

> mature doc at the end. Some courses have been criticised as lacking

in

> scientific content and some junior docs not really knowing the

difference

> between their arses and their elbows.

>

> It would be interesting to see the longterm outcome of this. I know

that the

> older adult learner is more open advanced learner than the younger

and may

> also think better, but will have to wait for the proof.

>

> Ross

>

> >

> >

> > Newspaper Arcticle:HOSPITAL PORTERS

TURNED

> > INTO DOOCS.

> >

> >

> > Hi Guys & Gals,

> > Read with interest the above mentioned arcticle yesterday.

Without going

> > into the whole article,it stated that

> > Theoretically,porters could become doctors in as little as 4

years. The

> > Leicester and Warwick medical schools (In conjunction with

> > Loughborough Colledge).

> > The course is aimed at those within the medical profession who

have

> > few or no academic qualification,which could lead onto fast track

> > medical degrees.

> > The idea is to to help tackle NHS shortages,ease the GP crisis and

> > widen peoples access to careers.

> > Up to 25 people will be recruited for the first course.The course

is

> > being targeted at people in the auxil-iary and admin positions

within

> > the NHS.

> > People who dont have the necessary A levels stand a much better

> > chance of winning a place on the medical degree course once they

have

> > studied on the foundation course.

> > I thought this was a very interesting article,especially for

those in

> > the group.

> >

> > Yours Aye

> > Rab Aitken.

> >

> >

> >

> > Member Information:

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dave,

I was bimbling through the pre-hospital faculty newsletter at the College

the other day and something jumped out at me which was rather encouraging.

The next batch of DipIMC exams were being advertised and there was the usual

section on eligibility for the diploma. I am working from memory here, but

it was something like; doctor, nurse or paramedic (to include combat medical

technician).

There is too much synergy and too little common sense out there and it is a

great shame. However, there are a few first steps being made and hopefully a

few forward thinking people have started the ball rolling.

Ross

>

>

> I know a little about the aspirations behind this article. By the way

> hi Rab. Long time.

>

> At this time the NHS is examining ways of reducing the crisis in the

> NHS regarding docs. This situation will be compounded later this year

> when doctors hours are limited by legislation.

> It is a complex issue and has many implcations for military medics.

> The work that I am doing within the military is linking in with the

> NHS Changing Workforce Programme that is examining this issue. Indeed

> CMTs may provide the model (allbeit with some modification) into a

> multi disciplinary approach to health care provision.

> The aspiration would be to make it easier to access medical

> education at all levels of provision. Not just at nurse and doctor

> level.

> A military medic provides a good basis to presume that this may work.

> After all military medics provide a range of clinical skills that

> have value in the military but not as yet in the NHS. This is

> bizarre!

> A NHS version of the military medic could work within general

> practice and within hospitals. Previously military medics have even

> specialised in the past, for example in GU/STD clinics, releasing the

> doctors for those patients who need their level of intervention.

> Miltary medics and therefore by implication NHS techs (in whatever

> guise and whatever names they take) can add value at their level in

> the provision of care. This is being examined by an NHS working group

> mid April that I will be attending.

> As part of my work we, the army, are looking to introduce PA's in the

> next few years. Indeed I will be going to Canada to examine the

> feasability of sending the first few army medics on the two year

> course that is run by the Canadian military. In the UK, 3 PA's

> recruited in the USA are working in Tipton, West Mids.

> With the introduction of degree courses for nurse practitioners and

> paramedic practitioners new tiers of care are being opened up across

> the NHS.

> Education has for many years now been seen to be inclusive with

> access to education for all.

> In sum, there is every reason to believe that hospital porters in the

> future would be able to access medical education. To think that they

> would be just thrown in though would not be the case.

>

> There are some interesting knock on benefits as far as the remote

> medic community is concerned. In discussions that I have had

> recently, there is a drive within the military and the NHS to license

> medical practitioners at all levels. For the military this could be

> assisted by the setting up of an academic and audit body at the

> Defence Medical College with links into the appropriate bodies in the

> medical colleges outwith the military. Therefore it would be

> reasonable to assume that on completion of service professional

> membership could be maintained. This means that for the first time,

> our profession, whether military or remote, will be able to be

> licensed and linked to professional bodies. More likely, I would

> imagine that the Professional Health Council would hold the

> collective register, on behalf of patients for these professions. It

> is only another step for amendments to be made within our affecting

> legislation to put us on the same par with other licensed medical

> professions.

>

> Of course this is not going to happen immediately. (y!)

> There is a huge amount of work, negotiation, and dogged determination

> to go before this legitimises the professions at a much higher and

> formal level than the present.

>

> I think that their exciting times ahead. Perhaps this article that

> Rab has brought to our attention is not so ridiculous as it first

> appears. I am sure there will be those that will see this as an

> attempt to demonstrate how the NHS is breaking down. But I really do

> not see how, with the situation as it currently is within the NHS,

> and is going to be later this year, what viable alternative there is

> without mass importing of doctors and nurses from other countries. I

> think we as a number of distinct but related groups will benefit in

> the medium to long term.

> My suggestion would be that we as a group should consider putting our

> political heads on and get ready to go into bat on this issue. A

> statement of our situation and a strategy for inclusion into the

> process could be developed and made ready for a representation at the

> right time. If legislation is ammended to include military medics

> into the Medicines Act and the the extension of the use of PGD's then

> maybe we should be ready for that time when it comes rather than

> playing catchup. Changes are going to happen, whether it ultimately

> adopts the modeling above or some other model I believe that we

> should be at least examining the issues.

>

> Comments welcomed.

>

> Dave

>

[Guest guest]

> Dave,

>

> I was bimbling through the pre-hospital faculty newsletter at the

College

> the other day and something jumped out at me which was rather

encouraging.

>

> The next batch of DipIMC exams were being advertised and there was

the usual

> section on eligibility for the diploma. I am working from memory

here, but

> it was something like; doctor, nurse or paramedic (to include

combat medical

> technician).

>

> There is too much synergy and too little common sense out there and

it is a

> great shame. However, there are a few first steps being made and

hopefully a

> few forward thinking people have started the ball rolling.

>

> Ross

>

>

> >

> >

> > I know a little about the aspirations behind this article. By the

way

> > hi Rab. Long time.

> >

> > At this time the NHS is examining ways of reducing the crisis in

the

> > NHS regarding docs. This situation will be compounded later this

year

> > when doctors hours are limited by legislation.

> > It is a complex issue and has many implcations for military

medics.

> > The work that I am doing within the military is linking in with

the

> > NHS Changing Workforce Programme that is examining this issue.

Indeed

> > CMTs may provide the model (allbeit with some modification) into a

> > multi disciplinary approach to health care provision.

> > The aspiration would be to make it easier to access medical

> > education at all levels of provision. Not just at nurse and doctor

> > level.

> > A military medic provides a good basis to presume that this may

work.

> > After all military medics provide a range of clinical skills that

> > have value in the military but not as yet in the NHS. This is

> > bizarre!

> > A NHS version of the military medic could work within general

> > practice and within hospitals. Previously military medics have

even

> > specialised in the past, for example in GU/STD clinics, releasing

the

> > doctors for those patients who need their level of intervention.

> > Miltary medics and therefore by implication NHS techs (in whatever

> > guise and whatever names they take) can add value at their level

in

> > the provision of care. This is being examined by an NHS working

group

> > mid April that I will be attending.

> > As part of my work we, the army, are looking to introduce PA's in

the

> > next few years. Indeed I will be going to Canada to examine the

> > feasability of sending the first few army medics on the two year

> > course that is run by the Canadian military. In the UK, 3 PA's

> > recruited in the USA are working in Tipton, West Mids.

> > With the introduction of degree courses for nurse practitioners

and

> > paramedic practitioners new tiers of care are being opened up

across

> > the NHS.

> > Education has for many years now been seen to be inclusive with

> > access to education for all.

> > In sum, there is every reason to believe that hospital porters in

the

> > future would be able to access medical education. To think that

they

> > would be just thrown in though would not be the case.

> >

> > There are some interesting knock on benefits as far as the remote

> > medic community is concerned. In discussions that I have had

> > recently, there is a drive within the military and the NHS to

license

> > medical practitioners at all levels. For the military this could

be

> > assisted by the setting up of an academic and audit body at the

> > Defence Medical College with links into the appropriate bodies in

the

> > medical colleges outwith the military. Therefore it would be

> > reasonable to assume that on completion of service professional

> > membership could be maintained. This means that for the first

time,

> > our profession, whether military or remote, will be able to be

> > licensed and linked to professional bodies. More likely, I would

> > imagine that the Professional Health Council would hold the

> > collective register, on behalf of patients for these professions.

It

> > is only another step for amendments to be made within our

affecting

> > legislation to put us on the same par with other licensed medical

> > professions.

> >

> > Of course this is not going to happen immediately. (y!)

> > There is a huge amount of work, negotiation, and dogged

determination

> > to go before this legitimises the professions at a much higher and

> > formal level than the present.

> >

> > I think that their exciting times ahead. Perhaps this article that

> > Rab has brought to our attention is not so ridiculous as it first

> > appears. I am sure there will be those that will see this as an

> > attempt to demonstrate how the NHS is breaking down. But I really

do

> > not see how, with the situation as it currently is within the NHS,

> > and is going to be later this year, what viable alternative there

is

> > without mass importing of doctors and nurses from other

countries. I

> > think we as a number of distinct but related groups will benefit

in

> > the medium to long term.

> > My suggestion would be that we as a group should consider putting

our

> > political heads on and get ready to go into bat on this issue. A

> > statement of our situation and a strategy for inclusion into the

> > process could be developed and made ready for a representation at

the

> > right time. If legislation is ammended to include military medics

> > into the Medicines Act and the the extension of the use of PGD's

then

> > maybe we should be ready for that time when it comes rather than

> > playing catchup. Changes are going to happen, whether it

ultimately

> > adopts the modeling above or some other model I believe that we

> > should be at least examining the issues.

> >

> > Comments welcomed.

> >

> > Dave

> >

[Guest guest]

Dave,

You make it sound like I am a pessimist rather than a realist! I applaud

any change that includes the military and remote medics. The problem is

that education as it stands for both groups is lacking. I know there are

moves afoot in the military to rectify this (SLOWLEY) but in the remote

medics arena they are still doing a HSE course with a refresher every 3

years, result medics range from very good to very poor.

I want to know how anyone will be able to square this circle?

It will come, I hope as you say that the way forward is mapped out before

the government realises that there are a group of British people who are

being treated by medics who are essentially operating outside of the law, as

it stands at the moment!!!!!!!

> >

> > Of course this is not going to happen immediately. (y!)

> > There is a huge amount of work, negotiation, and dogged determination

> > to go before this legitimises the professions at a much higher and

> > formal level than the present.

> >

I

> > think we as a number of distinct but related groups will benefit in

> > the medium to long term.

> > My suggestion would be that we as a group should consider putting our

> > political heads on and get ready to go into bat on this issue. A

> > statement of our situation and a strategy for inclusion into the

> > process could be developed and made ready for a representation at the

> > right time. If legislation is ammended to include military medics

> > into the Medicines Act and the the extension of the use of PGD's then

> > maybe we should be ready for that time when it comes rather than

> > playing catchup. Changes are going to happen, whether it ultimately

> > adopts the modeling above or some other model I believe that we

> > should be at least examining the issues.

> >

> > Comments welcomed.

> >

> > Dave

> >

>

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Gordon,

As far as remote medics are concerned, we have had some good news from

RCSEd. We were up there last week discussing the next stages of the DipROM

with our chosen director and it's all pretty good news. The course structure

has been given the once over and there are no visible gaps, our choice of

module co-ordinators and tutors has been given the thumbs up and basically

they like the idea big style.

The only barrier we face, is funding, which is something I have been working

on this week. A basic cashflow and student projection has been drawn up and

submitted for a board meeting on Friday 14. From that I will get some

feedback on the sums involved (already have a range in my head) and what

steps we can use for attracting sponsors.

At the moment, I am putting together some articles for publication in the

medical press to promote the proposed course, so the big rock should be

starting to move gently up the hill.

At the end of the day, we can create a gold standard and then hope that some

medics will subscribe to this and raise the bar for all.

Ross

>

>

> Dave,

>

> You make it sound like I am a pessimist rather than a realist! I applaud

> any change that includes the military and remote medics. The problem is

> that education as it stands for both groups is lacking. I know there are

> moves afoot in the military to rectify this (SLOWLEY) but in the remote

> medics arena they are still doing a HSE course with a refresher every 3

> years, result medics range from very good to very poor.

>

> I want to know how anyone will be able to square this circle?

>

> It will come, I hope as you say that the way forward is mapped out before

> the government realises that there are a group of British people who are

> being treated by medics who are essentially operating outside of

> the law, as

> it stands at the moment!!!!!!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Of course this is not going to happen immediately. (y!)

> > > There is a huge amount of work, negotiation, and dogged determination

> > > to go before this legitimises the professions at a much higher and

> > > formal level than the present.

> > >

> I

> > > think we as a number of distinct but related groups will benefit in

> > > the medium to long term.

>

>

> > > My suggestion would be that we as a group should consider putting our

> > > political heads on and get ready to go into bat on this issue. A

> > > statement of our situation and a strategy for inclusion into the

> > > process could be developed and made ready for a representation at the

> > > right time. If legislation is ammended to include military medics

> > > into the Medicines Act and the the extension of the use of PGD's then

> > > maybe we should be ready for that time when it comes rather than

> > > playing catchup. Changes are going to happen, whether it ultimately

> > > adopts the modeling above or some other model I believe that we

> > > should be at least examining the issues.

> > >

> > > Comments welcomed.

> > >

> > > Dave

> > >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> Gordon,

>

> As far as remote medics are concerned, we have had some good news

from

> RCSEd. We were up there last week discussing the next stages of the

DipROM

> with our chosen director and it's all pretty good news. The course

structure

> has been given the once over and there are no visible gaps, our

choice of

> module co-ordinators and tutors has been given the thumbs up and

basically

> they like the idea big style.

>

> The only barrier we face, is funding, which is something I have

been working

> on this week. A basic cashflow and student projection has been

drawn up and

> submitted for a board meeting on Friday 14. From that I will get

some

> feedback on the sums involved (already have a range in my head) and

what

> steps we can use for attracting sponsors.

>

> At the moment, I am putting together some articles for publication

in the

> medical press to promote the proposed course, so the big rock

should be

> starting to move gently up the hill.

>

> At the end of the day, we can create a gold standard and then hope

that some

> medics will subscribe to this and raise the bar for all.

>

> Ross

>

>

> >

> >

> > Dave,

> >

> > You make it sound like I am a pessimist rather than a realist! I

applaud

> > any change that includes the military and remote medics. The

problem is

> > that education as it stands for both groups is lacking. I know

there are

> > moves afoot in the military to rectify this (SLOWLEY) but in the

remote

> > medics arena they are still doing a HSE course with a refresher

every 3

> > years, result medics range from very good to very poor.

> >

> > I want to know how anyone will be able to square this circle?

> >

> > It will come, I hope as you say that the way forward is mapped

out before

> > the government realises that there are a group of British people

who are

> > being treated by medics who are essentially operating outside of

> > the law, as

> > it stands at the moment!!!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > Of course this is not going to happen immediately. (y!)

> > > > There is a huge amount of work, negotiation, and dogged

determination

> > > > to go before this legitimises the professions at a much

higher and

> > > > formal level than the present.

> > > >

> > I

> > > > think we as a number of distinct but related groups will

benefit in

> > > > the medium to long term.

> >

> >

> > > > My suggestion would be that we as a group should consider

putting our

> > > > political heads on and get ready to go into bat on this

issue. A

> > > > statement of our situation and a strategy for inclusion into

the

> > > > process could be developed and made ready for a

representation at the

> > > > right time. If legislation is ammended to include military

medics

> > > > into the Medicines Act and the the extension of the use of

PGD's then

> > > > maybe we should be ready for that time when it comes rather

than

> > > > playing catchup. Changes are going to happen, whether it

ultimately

> > > > adopts the modeling above or some other model I believe that

we

> > > > should be at least examining the issues.

> > > >

> > > > Comments welcomed.

> > > >

> > > > Dave

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

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Fully aware of what you and Ian are doing! I think it is a good thing. I

would be interested to know how prescribing laws will be got around or

better still how we will be included in the medicines act?

>From: " Ross Boardman " <ross.boardman@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: RE: Newspaper Arcticle:HOSPITAL PORTERS

>TURNED INTO DOOCS.

>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:54:57 -0000

>

>Gordon,

>

>As far as remote medics are concerned, we have had some good news from

>RCSEd. We were up there last week discussing the next stages of the DipROM

>with our chosen director and it's all pretty good news. The course

>structure

>has been given the once over and there are no visible gaps, our choice of

>module co-ordinators and tutors has been given the thumbs up and basically

>they like the idea big style.

>

>The only barrier we face, is funding, which is something I have been

>working

>on this week. A basic cashflow and student projection has been drawn up and

>submitted for a board meeting on Friday 14. From that I will get some

>feedback on the sums involved (already have a range in my head) and what

>steps we can use for attracting sponsors.

>

>At the moment, I am putting together some articles for publication in the

>medical press to promote the proposed course, so the big rock should be

>starting to move gently up the hill.

>

>At the end of the day, we can create a gold standard and then hope that

>some

>medics will subscribe to this and raise the bar for all.

>

>Ross

>

>

> >

> >

> > Dave,

> >

> > You make it sound like I am a pessimist rather than a realist! I

>applaud

> > any change that includes the military and remote medics. The problem is

> > that education as it stands for both groups is lacking. I know there

>are

> > moves afoot in the military to rectify this (SLOWLEY) but in the remote

> > medics arena they are still doing a HSE course with a refresher every 3

> > years, result medics range from very good to very poor.

> >

> > I want to know how anyone will be able to square this circle?

> >

> > It will come, I hope as you say that the way forward is mapped out

>before

> > the government realises that there are a group of British people who are

> > being treated by medics who are essentially operating outside of

> > the law, as

> > it stands at the moment!!!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > Of course this is not going to happen immediately. (y!)

> > > > There is a huge amount of work, negotiation, and dogged

>determination

> > > > to go before this legitimises the professions at a much higher and

> > > > formal level than the present.

> > > >

> > I

> > > > think we as a number of distinct but related groups will benefit in

> > > > the medium to long term.

> >

> >

> > > > My suggestion would be that we as a group should consider putting

>our

> > > > political heads on and get ready to go into bat on this issue. A

> > > > statement of our situation and a strategy for inclusion into the

> > > > process could be developed and made ready for a representation at

>the

> > > > right time. If legislation is ammended to include military medics

> > > > into the Medicines Act and the the extension of the use of PGD's

>then

> > > > maybe we should be ready for that time when it comes rather than

> > > > playing catchup. Changes are going to happen, whether it ultimately

> > > > adopts the modeling above or some other model I believe that we

> > > > should be at least examining the issues.

> > > >

> > > > Comments welcomed.

> > > >

> > > > Dave

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

y,

That is a quirk that is going to be around for a while I suspect. In the UK,

I am not sure whether state registration of paramedics allows for this

either, but stand to be corrected.

Hopefully, we can take this as a step in the right direction and see what

bodies like the HPC think?

>

>

> Fully aware of what you and Ian are doing! I think it is a good

> thing. I

> would be interested to know how prescribing laws will be got around or

> better still how we will be included in the medicines act?

>

>

[Guest guest]

There will need to be a step change in the law, either PGDs are extended or

the remote medic is given a reasonable list under state registration. Best

option is both. Any qualification that fails to address this issue will

fail, gold standard, CG and best practice is great but without the law on

prescribing rights, why change?

>From: " Dave Connell " <jbdc847@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Newspaper Arcticle:HOSPITAL PORTERS

>TURNED INTO DOOCS.

>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:56:22 -0000

>

>

> > Gordon,

> >

> > As far as remote medics are concerned, we have had some good news

>from

> > RCSEd. We were up there last week discussing the next stages of the

>DipROM

> > with our chosen director and it's all pretty good news. The course

>structure

> > has been given the once over and there are no visible gaps, our

>choice of

> > module co-ordinators and tutors has been given the thumbs up and

>basically

> > they like the idea big style.

> >

> > The only barrier we face, is funding, which is something I have

>been working

> > on this week. A basic cashflow and student projection has been

>drawn up and

> > submitted for a board meeting on Friday 14. From that I will get

>some

> > feedback on the sums involved (already have a range in my head) and

>what

> > steps we can use for attracting sponsors.

> >

> > At the moment, I am putting together some articles for publication

>in the

> > medical press to promote the proposed course, so the big rock

>should be

> > starting to move gently up the hill.

> >

> > At the end of the day, we can create a gold standard and then hope

>that some

> > medics will subscribe to this and raise the bar for all.

> >

> > Ross

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dave,

> > >

> > > You make it sound like I am a pessimist rather than a realist! I

>applaud

> > > any change that includes the military and remote medics. The

>problem is

> > > that education as it stands for both groups is lacking. I know

>there are

> > > moves afoot in the military to rectify this (SLOWLEY) but in the

>remote

> > > medics arena they are still doing a HSE course with a refresher

>every 3

> > > years, result medics range from very good to very poor.

> > >

> > > I want to know how anyone will be able to square this circle?

> > >

> > > It will come, I hope as you say that the way forward is mapped

>out before

> > > the government realises that there are a group of British people

>who are

> > > being treated by medics who are essentially operating outside of

> > > the law, as

> > > it stands at the moment!!!!!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course this is not going to happen immediately. (y!)

> > > > > There is a huge amount of work, negotiation, and dogged

>determination

> > > > > to go before this legitimises the professions at a much

>higher and

> > > > > formal level than the present.

> > > > >

> > > I

> > > > > think we as a number of distinct but related groups will

>benefit in

> > > > > the medium to long term.

> > >

> > >

> > > > > My suggestion would be that we as a group should consider

>putting our

> > > > > political heads on and get ready to go into bat on this

>issue. A

> > > > > statement of our situation and a strategy for inclusion into

>the

> > > > > process could be developed and made ready for a

>representation at the

> > > > > right time. If legislation is ammended to include military

>medics

> > > > > into the Medicines Act and the the extension of the use of

>PGD's then

> > > > > maybe we should be ready for that time when it comes rather

>than

> > > > > playing catchup. Changes are going to happen, whether it

>ultimately

> > > > > adopts the modeling above or some other model I believe that

>we

> > > > > should be at least examining the issues.

> > > > >

> > > > > Comments welcomed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dave

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _________________________________________________________________

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> > >

> > >

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> > > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@R...

> > >

> > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should

> > > be sent to the list owner.

> > >

> > > Post message: egroups

> > >

> > > Pleaes visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > The Remote Medics Team

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

State regtistration does allow for this. It only allows for exemption on

about 11 emergency drugs.

>From: " Ross Boardman " <ross.boardman@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: RE: Newspaper Arcticle:HOSPITAL PORTERS

>TURNED INTO DOOCS.

>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:04:03 -0000

>

>y,

>

>That is a quirk that is going to be around for a while I suspect. In the

>UK,

>I am not sure whether state registration of paramedics allows for this

>either, but stand to be corrected.

>

>Hopefully, we can take this as a step in the right direction and see what

>bodies like the HPC think?

>

>

> >

> >

> > Fully aware of what you and Ian are doing! I think it is a good

> > thing. I

> > would be interested to know how prescribing laws will be got around or

> > better still how we will be included in the medicines act?

> >

> >

>

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