Re: 2 month and 19 PT visits later

June 2, 2006

Have you looked at a TENS/ EMS machine? Great for building up thigh

muscles and going deep into the leg for stimulating and excercising

big muscle groups!!

For $180 they are a great investment and can pinpoint muscle groups

for working out as well.

Mark

>

> Just returned from my 19th PT visit. I have been going twice a

week

> up until last week when we cut back to once a week. Now we will go

to

> once every 2 weeks. PT says I know all the exercises, I have the

> Therabands, recumbent bike, pallate machine, mini step, exercise

ball,

> so there is nothing stopping me from doing the same exercise at

home.

>

> The bad part:

> He felt like he could get me comfortable with the " every day

things "

> by now. I still have pain on the 4 inch step and the wall squat.

(We

> are eliminating all steps and squats for the next two weeks).

>

> He thinks that we should keep at it hard for at least another 3

> months. At that time he believe we will be about as far ass we

will

> get and I will have to decide if that is good enough or if I should

> look into another procedure.

>

> Don (a little disappointed)

>

June 2, 2006

Yep, I use a Empi 300 PV every day and it is the best thing since peanut

butter. I use a 4 lead setup. Two leads on my thigh and two on my VMO?

The mush to the inside of the leg just above the knee. When I started PT, I

could not fire that muscle at all. Now it is almost the same as my good

leg. PT says my quad looks very good. I will still keep using the machine

though. $150??? I have to pay $750 for the my EMPI.

Don

On 6/1/06, aussie7007 <no_reply > wrote:

>

> Have you looked at a TENS/ EMS machine? Great for building up thigh

> muscles and going deep into the leg for stimulating and excercising

> big muscle groups!!

>

> For $180 they are a great investment and can pinpoint muscle groups

> for working out as well.

>

> Mark

>

> >

> > Just returned from my 19th PT visit. I have been going twice a

> week

> > up until last week when we cut back to once a week. Now we will go

> to

> > once every 2 weeks. PT says I know all the exercises, I have the

> > Therabands, recumbent bike, pallate machine, mini step, exercise

> ball,

> > so there is nothing stopping me from doing the same exercise at

> home.

> >

> > The bad part:

> > He felt like he could get me comfortable with the " every day

> things "

> > by now. I still have pain on the 4 inch step and the wall squat.

> (We

> > are eliminating all steps and squats for the next two weeks).

> >

> > He thinks that we should keep at it hard for at least another 3

> > months. At that time he believe we will be about as far ass we

> will

> > get and I will have to decide if that is good enough or if I should

> > look into another procedure.

> >

> > Don (a little disappointed)

> >

>

June 2, 2006

Crikey ... it must be a flash machine for $750...!!

My TENS/EMS unit has 15 programs for the four leads - i don't suppose

you have a chart for the leg placements (or other parts of the body

for that matter??)

Mark

> > >

> > > Just returned from my 19th PT visit. I have been going twice a

> > week

> > > up until last week when we cut back to once a week. Now we

will go

> > to

> > > once every 2 weeks. PT says I know all the exercises, I have

the

> > > Therabands, recumbent bike, pallate machine, mini step, exercise

> > ball,

> > > so there is nothing stopping me from doing the same exercise at

> > home.

> > >

> > > The bad part:

> > > He felt like he could get me comfortable with the " every day

> > things "

> > > by now. I still have pain on the 4 inch step and the wall

squat.

> > (We

> > > are eliminating all steps and squats for the next two weeks).

> > >

> > > He thinks that we should keep at it hard for at least another 3

> > > months. At that time he believe we will be about as far ass we

> > will

> > > get and I will have to decide if that is good enough or if I

should

> > > look into another procedure.

> > >

> > > Don (a little disappointed)

> > >

> >

June 2, 2006

No. I have been looking for a chart, but no luck so far. Sound like we

have the same machine

Don

On 6/2/06, aussie7007 <no_reply > wrote:

>

> Crikey ... it must be a flash machine for $750...!!

> My TENS/EMS unit has 15 programs for the four leads - i don't suppose

> you have a chart for the leg placements (or other parts of the body

> for that matter??)

> Mark

>

> > > >

> > > > Just returned from my 19th PT visit. I have been going twice a

> > > week

> > > > up until last week when we cut back to once a week. Now we

> will go

> > > to

> > > > once every 2 weeks. PT says I know all the exercises, I have

> the

> > > > Therabands, recumbent bike, pallate machine, mini step, exercise

> > > ball,

> > > > so there is nothing stopping me from doing the same exercise at

> > > home.

> > > >

> > > > The bad part:

> > > > He felt like he could get me comfortable with the " every day

> > > things "

> > > > by now. I still have pain on the 4 inch step and the wall

> squat.

> > > (We

> > > > are eliminating all steps and squats for the next two weeks).

> > > >

> > > > He thinks that we should keep at it hard for at least another 3

> > > > months. At that time he believe we will be about as far ass we

> > > will

> > > > get and I will have to decide if that is good enough or if I

> should

> > > > look into another procedure.

> > > >

> > > > Don (a little disappointed)

> > > >

> > >

June 3, 2006

Hey Don....might give me something to do ...i.e., look for a TENS/EMS

chart of key anchor points on the legs (and body).

Mark

> > > > >

> > > > > Just returned from my 19th PT visit. I have been going

twice a

> > > > week

> > > > > up until last week when we cut back to once a week. Now we

> > will go

> > > > to

> > > > > once every 2 weeks. PT says I know all the exercises, I

have

> > the

> > > > > Therabands, recumbent bike, pallate machine, mini step,

exercise

> > > > ball,

> > > > > so there is nothing stopping me from doing the same

exercise at

> > > > home.

> > > > >

> > > > > The bad part:

> > > > > He felt like he could get me comfortable with the " every day

> > > > things "

> > > > > by now. I still have pain on the 4 inch step and the wall

> > squat.

> > > > (We

> > > > > are eliminating all steps and squats for the next two

weeks).

> > > > >

> > > > > He thinks that we should keep at it hard for at least

another 3

> > > > > months. At that time he believe we will be about as far

ass we

> > > > will

> > > > > get and I will have to decide if that is good enough or if I

> > should

> > > > > look into another procedure.

> > > > >

> > > > > Don (a little disappointed)

> > > > >

> > > >

June 3, 2006

Let me know if you find anything. I tried it on my bicepts once, but it

tingeld all the way down my arm so I figure I had the wrong points.

Don

On 6/2/06, aussie7007 <no_reply > wrote:

>

> Hey Don....might give me something to do ...i.e., look for a TENS/EMS

> chart of key anchor points on the legs (and body).

>

> Mark

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just returned from my 19th PT visit. I have been going

> twice a

> > > > > week

> > > > > > up until last week when we cut back to once a week. Now we

> > > will go

> > > > > to

> > > > > > once every 2 weeks. PT says I know all the exercises, I

> have

> > > the

> > > > > > Therabands, recumbent bike, pallate machine, mini step,

> exercise

> > > > > ball,

> > > > > > so there is nothing stopping me from doing the same

> exercise at

> > > > > home.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The bad part:

> > > > > > He felt like he could get me comfortable with the " every day

> > > > > things "

> > > > > > by now. I still have pain on the 4 inch step and the wall

> > > squat.

> > > > > (We

> > > > > > are eliminating all steps and squats for the next two

> weeks).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He thinks that we should keep at it hard for at least

> another 3

> > > > > > months. At that time he believe we will be about as far

> ass we

> > > > > will

> > > > > > get and I will have to decide if that is good enough or if I

> > > should

> > > > > > look into another procedure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Don (a little disappointed)

> > > > > >

> > > > >

June 6, 2006

I'd be interested in seeing a photo with the leads in place. My PT

showed me how to use 2 leads; my unit has 4 leads though and now

you've got me wondering if I should be using both sets.

Don L.

> > >

> > > Just returned from my 19th PT visit. I have been going twice a

> > week

> > > up until last week when we cut back to once a week. Now we will go

> > to

> > > once every 2 weeks. PT says I know all the exercises, I have the

> > > Therabands, recumbent bike, pallate machine, mini step, exercise

> > ball,

> > > so there is nothing stopping me from doing the same exercise at

> > home.

> > >

> > > The bad part:

> > > He felt like he could get me comfortable with the " every day

> > things "

> > > by now. I still have pain on the 4 inch step and the wall squat.

> > (We

> > > are eliminating all steps and squats for the next two weeks).

> > >

> > > He thinks that we should keep at it hard for at least another 3

> > > months. At that time he believe we will be about as far ass we

> > will

> > > get and I will have to decide if that is good enough or if I should

> > > look into another procedure.

> > >

> > > Don (a little disappointed)

> > >

> >

June 6, 2006

I just added a pic to the photo section showing where I place my

electrodes on my 2 channel system. The two electrodes on the left

side are channel 1 and the 2 on the right side are channel 2. On

mine, it does make a difference which channel you hook up to which

side. There is a delay built in to the channels so that it does not

all hit at the same time. Also, the intensity ramps up differently on

each channel.

Don

> I'd be interested in seeing a photo with the leads in place. My PT

> showed me how to use 2 leads; my unit has 4 leads though and now

> you've got me wondering if I should be using both sets.

>

> Don L.

June 6, 2006

Thanks for the pic. (Took me awhile to find it since you put it in the

'arthroscopic' section!) Here's a direct link for the curious:

http://health.ph./group/chondromalacia treatment/photos/view/b6d3\

?b=9 & m=f & o=0

So which side do you ramp up first? And do you think engaging both

sides is helpful? (And if so, why? It's not intuitive to me.)

I've long hypothesized that if I could tire out my other muscles and

then stimulate the VMO, it would be much easier to focus on it. Kind of

like the agonist-antagonist theory of stretching (Tire out muscle, then

stretch it.) but applied to multiple muscles.

Don L.

wrote:

> I just added a pic to the photo section showing where I place my

> electrodes on my 2 channel system. The two electrodes on the left

> side are channel 1 and the 2 on the right side are channel 2. On

> mine, it does make a difference which channel you hook up to which

> side. There is a delay built in to the channels so that it does not

> all hit at the same time. Also, the intensity ramps up differently on

> each channel.

>

> Don

>

>> I'd be interested in seeing a photo with the leads in place. My PT

>> showed me how to use 2 leads; my unit has 4 leads though and now

>> you've got me wondering if I should be using both sets.

>>

>> Don L.

>>

>

June 6, 2006

The left side is the more powerful side. When I got the machine, I could

not fire my VMO at all. In 2 months, it has almost caught up with my good

leg.

As you increase the voltage on the machine, you can see the muscle start to

contract. It's quite something to watch. Of course, you try to make the

muscle flex at the same time. This will train you to fire the muscle.

Don

On 6/6/06, Don Libes <don@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks for the pic. (Took me awhile to find it since you put it in the

> 'arthroscopic' section!) Here's a direct link for the curious:

>

http://health.ph./group/chondromalacia treatment/photos/view/b6d3\

?b=9 & m=f & o=0

>

> So which side do you ramp up first? And do you think engaging both

> sides is helpful? (And if so, why? It's not intuitive to me.)

>

> I've long hypothesized that if I could tire out my other muscles and

> then stimulate the VMO, it would be much easier to focus on it. Kind of

> like the agonist-antagonist theory of stretching (Tire out muscle, then

> stretch it.) but applied to multiple muscles.

>

> Don L.

>

> wrote:

> > I just added a pic to the photo section showing where I place my

> > electrodes on my 2 channel system. The two electrodes on the left

> > side are channel 1 and the 2 on the right side are channel 2. On

> > mine, it does make a difference which channel you hook up to which

> > side. There is a delay built in to the channels so that it does not

> > all hit at the same time. Also, the intensity ramps up differently on

> > each channel.

> >

> > Don

> >

> >> I'd be interested in seeing a photo with the leads in place. My PT

> >> showed me how to use 2 leads; my unit has 4 leads though and now

> >> you've got me wondering if I should be using both sets.

> >>

> >> Don L.

> >>

> >

June 7, 2006

Don, this is great advice for EMS treatment..hopefully June 22nd the

OS says I can start working my quads again after 10 weeks (no weight

bearing) and throw away the crutches!!!

Actually - does anyone want to see the cut for the carticel surgery/

the resulting atrophy/ and then maybe a before and after pic when i

start with the EMS unit?

If you are really interested do you want to see the carticel implant -

the OS took some pics..I could ask him for a couple?

Mark

> > > I just added a pic to the photo section showing where I place my

> > > electrodes on my 2 channel system. The two electrodes on the

left

> > > side are channel 1 and the 2 on the right side are channel 2. On

> > > mine, it does make a difference which channel you hook up to

which

> > > side. There is a delay built in to the channels so that it does

not

> > > all hit at the same time. Also, the intensity ramps up

differently on

> > > each channel.

> > >

> > > Don

> > >

> > >> I'd be interested in seeing a photo with the leads in place.

My PT

> > >> showed me how to use 2 leads; my unit has 4 leads though and

now

> > >> you've got me wondering if I should be using both sets.

> > >>

> > >> Don L.

> > >>

> > >

June 7, 2006

Mark,

I am interested any anything you can provide from your carticel experience.

Pics, xrays, etc.

Thanks

Don

On 6/6/06, aussie7007 <no_reply > wrote:

>

> Don, this is great advice for EMS treatment..hopefully June 22nd the

> OS says I can start working my quads again after 10 weeks (no weight

> bearing) and throw away the crutches!!!

>

> Actually - does anyone want to see the cut for the carticel surgery/

> the resulting atrophy/ and then maybe a before and after pic when i

> start with the EMS unit?

>

> If you are really interested do you want to see the carticel implant -

> the OS took some pics..I could ask him for a couple?

>

> Mark

>

> > > > I just added a pic to the photo section showing where I place my

> > > > electrodes on my 2 channel system. The two electrodes on the

> left

> > > > side are channel 1 and the 2 on the right side are channel 2. On

> > > > mine, it does make a difference which channel you hook up to

> which

> > > > side. There is a delay built in to the channels so that it does

> not

> > > > all hit at the same time. Also, the intensity ramps up

> differently on

> > > > each channel.

> > > >

> > > > Don

> > > >

> > > >> I'd be interested in seeing a photo with the leads in place.

> My PT

> > > >> showed me how to use 2 leads; my unit has 4 leads though and

> now

> > > >> you've got me wondering if I should be using both sets.

> > > >>

> > > >> Don L.

> > > >>

> > > >

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