Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 Mike, I am assuming that we are ignoring the medical stuff and concentrating on the rescue side? Lets go with three attemps here and see how poorly I do. 1 Have we got a ladder I could use? Secure it at one end on the dry bit, lay it onto the wet bit and use that to move across the ice. 2 Rope on the back of the board, try and get some basic momentum out towards the patient. She is on a flat surface and pretty cold by now. If possible, get part of her onto the 'sled', do a basic tie down and ask the crew to pull you back to shore. Be prepared to act as brakes to slow down on approach. 3 Throw a rope across the ice, from one end to the other. Use this as a safety line and slide over on bin bag sledge, with board attached to rigged lanyard and rescuer. Secure patient and gently hand over hand return to base. For rope, read anything that can be improvised; such as tow rope from car, rescue line from life-bouy etc Ross > Slippery when wet > > > My first try at a scenario, and I realise its not exactly > " remote " but it is a teaser and may be good for a few posts > (anyone else noticed how quite its gone lately?). > > You are the medic at an outdoor ice rink, it has been raining all > morning and the ice has become too slippery even to stand on > (believe it or not dry cut up ice is actually quite easy to > stroll across). The safety staff are on the verge of closing the > ice as even the ice stewards are having difficulty skating. > > A panicked call comes over the radio calling you to the ice and > on arrival at the doorway you see a lady laying unconscious about > 20m from you. Her legs have slipped from under her and she has > landed head first on the ice. > > One of the ice stewards tells you she is bleeding from the head > and seems to be having difficulty breathing. > > You have a decent amount of kit- O2, Spine board, collars, > airways, a scoop and York stretchers. The only problem is only > one of the ice stewards has even the slightest clue how to use > any of it (He's a lifeguard and has played with spine boards). > > There you go, not so much how you treat her as how do you get to > her? The fire brigade are on strike and its 30+ min wait for a > Green Goddess And no you don't have crampons! > > Have fun > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 Re Ice rescue Any chance of waiting for the ice to thaw a bit more then sending in the guy who says he is a lifeguard ????? Matt _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 What fails to kill us can only make us stronger. Slippery when wet > My first try at a scenario, and I realise its not exactly " remote " but it is a teaser and may be good for a few posts (anyone else noticed how quite its gone lately?). Probably because every ones in their bunkers waiting to see who going to press that shiny red button first. > > You are the medic at an outdoor ice rink, it has been raining all morning and the ice has become too slippery even to stand on (believe it or not dry cut up ice is actually quite easy to stroll across). The safety staff are on the verge of closing the ice as even the ice stewards are having difficulty skating. > > A panicked call comes over the radio calling you to the ice and on arrival at the doorway you see a lady laying unconscious about 20m from you. Her legs have slipped from under her and she has landed head first on the ice. > > One of the ice stewards tells you she is bleeding from the head and seems to be having difficulty breathing. > > You have a decent amount of kit- O2, Spine board, collars, airways, a scoop and York stretchers. The only problem is only one of the ice stewards has even the slightest clue how to use any of it (He's a lifeguard and has played with spine boards). > > There you go, not so much how you treat her as how do you get to her? The fire brigade are on strike and its 30+ min wait for a Green Goddess And no you don't have crampons! Does the rink not have when of those cleaner polisher thingys you could get a lift out on and isn't there usualy matts that are at the gates onto the ice pick a bit of that up on the way for you to stand kneal on whenyou treat cas if not usre blanket out your kit. not much of a fan of ice skating after a mate got his fingers run over when I was about 10 yrs old. Long time ago but still remeber the ice turning a nice shade of red. As far as tretment I asume (dangerous thing i know) that it is posible to call ambulance back up or are they on strike as well? Call Ambulance Take your lifeguard mate out with you Airway management clear airway O2 therapy get lifeguard chapy holding head neutral until backup arives just in case but airway priority From what you have described bleading probably superficial but head injuries tend to look worse then they are how much blood from wound more importantly any csf? once airway spine stablish servey for injuries, I supose your going to tell us the head injury is a depressed fracture now? Any obs pulse resps spo2 pupils etc Wait for the cavalry to arrive Oh one last thing if theres any chanse of ice i always have my crampons with me!! Ian > > Have fun > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 Rope up the spine board,scoop and a stretcher, go out on the spine board pull the other gear as required towards you and alongside the casualty. possibly using something like knives from the canteen taped together in a bunch taped together as hand axes to claw your way across the ice and anchor, The other guy does the same thing. Both are attached by ropes to be pulled back in again??? the get on with the survey and treatment????? just guessing Slippery when wet >My first try at a scenario, and I realise its not exactly " remote " but it is a teaser and may be good for a few posts (anyone else noticed how quite its gone lately?). > >You are the medic at an outdoor ice rink, it has been raining all morning and the ice has become too slippery even to stand on (believe it or not dry cut up ice is actually quite easy to stroll across). The safety staff are on the verge of closing the ice as even the ice stewards are having difficulty skating. > >A panicked call comes over the radio calling you to the ice and on arrival at the doorway you see a lady laying unconscious about 20m from you. Her legs have slipped from under her and she has landed head first on the ice. > >One of the ice stewards tells you she is bleeding from the head and seems to be having difficulty breathing. > >You have a decent amount of kit- O2, Spine board, collars, airways, a scoop and York stretchers. The only problem is only one of the ice stewards has even the slightest clue how to use any of it (He's a lifeguard and has played with spine boards). > >There you go, not so much how you treat her as how do you get to her? The fire brigade are on strike and its 30+ min wait for a Green Goddess And no you don't have crampons! > >Have fun > >Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 I'm sorry guys but this ice skating scenerio is not a very amusing thread. I work in one of the warmer parts of the U.S. and recently our local ice hockey team drowned in spring training. We are still in mourning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 >Chill out amigo..slippery when wet is a 'scenario' and secondly that as >proffesional medics we may have encountred jobs sometime or another that >have been similar to those posted , the " scenarios " are also a good >training tool for " sprog " medics to get a feel for the industry.Sometimes >that kitchen gets a wee bit hot..you can either adapt to the enviroment or >go out through the emergency exit door. >From: AMR3330@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Slippery when wet >Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:36:59 EST > >I'm sorry guys but this ice skating scenerio is not a very amusing thread. >I >work in one of the warmer parts of the U.S. and recently our local ice >hockey >team drowned in spring training. We are still in mourning. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 I'm sorry guys but this ice skating scenerio is not a very amusing thread. I work in one of the warmer parts of the U.S. and recently our local ice hockey team drowned in spring training. We are still in mourning. Im sorry but I don't quite get this. Whether its amusing or not and whether it has a bearing on a local tragedy or not was not really what I was driving at. Im sure most of us can find a sad story to go with one scenario or another, that is the business we are in. If we steered clear of all types of training where we may touch a nerve in someone all training would grind to a halt. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 I am sure this is a joke Its very similair to the Joke What happened to the blode hockey team? They drowned during spring training! Geoff Re: Slippery when wet > I'm sorry guys but this ice skating scenerio is not a very amusing thread. I > work in one of the warmer parts of the U.S. and recently our local ice hockey > team drowned in spring training. We are still in mourning. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Mark, Well said, A little humour goes a long way. I put a a small post on this scenario but it was not malicious and was deemed acceptable or it would not have got past our moderater. We are a bunch of professionals and interested people and this is how situations are sometimes dealt with, much better to share a laugh with the guys than find one of the team rocking against the wall or worse after a job. If we have to worry about issues to stear away from I suggest we ban a few of the following: Cardiac cases, Trauma,Respiratory problems, Drugs and Alcohol,Neuro injury etc etc as I'm sure we have all been personally involved at some time in our lives. Now to my Scenario: My 2 typing fingers really really hurt please investigate!!! Well done to Mike (Wreck Ferret) for a good first try, it is an interesting and thought provoking scenario I'm looking forward to more. Matt _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Mark I think you missed the joke in the last one mate. . mark groves <markgroves66@...> wrote:>Chill out amigo..slippery when wet is a 'scenario' and secondly that as >proffesional medics we may have encountred jobs sometime or another that >have been similar to those posted , the " scenarios " are also a good >training tool for " sprog " medics to get a feel for the industry.Sometimes >that kitchen gets a wee bit hot..you can either adapt to the enviroment or >go out through the emergency exit door. >From: AMR3330@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Slippery when wet >Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:36:59 EST > >I'm sorry guys but this ice skating scenerio is not a very amusing thread. >I >work in one of the warmer parts of the U.S. and recently our local ice >hockey >team drowned in spring training. We are still in mourning. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 Mark I think you missed the joke in the last one mate. . Oops, having re-read it about a dozen times, i now realise i also overlooked the obvoius (or not so).... DOH! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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