fragrance oils

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In a message dated 8/30/00 4:16:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tews@...

writes:

<< Ok, I think I know that fragrance oils are generally created as opposed to

grown. Anyone know what they are made of? I expect it varies some, and I

recall conversations that some include some essential oils but what would be

the other list of ingredients? Any takers?

Tina Eberts >>

My guess is they vary a great deal, but I would really like to know also if

there is some sort of standard.

Angie

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Oooh Raven,

Thanks for that list you just posted. I love magnolia and was disappointed

to discover it is not an essential oil. Now I can experiment and make my

own. Yippee! I am looking forward to Cat's answer to you to see if I can

glean some help for making Magnolia.

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Hi Cat;

I havea book by the late Cunningham titled Inscense, Oil's and Brews.

In this book he tells how to make fragrances that har not available or hard

to get. The only trouble with this section of the book is he tells you what

fragrance oils to use but not the amount. How can I know what amount of oils

to use.For example her is what he gives for Ambergris: Cypress with a few

drops of Patchouli

Lotus Bouquet: Rose, Jasmine, White Musk, Ylang Ylang.

Magnolia Bouquet: Neroli,Jasmine, Rose, Sandalwood.

Sweet Pea Bouquet: Neroli; Ylang Ylang,Jasmine, Benzoin.

Tuberose Bouquet: Ylang Ylang, Rose, Jasmine, Neroli.

On this last one he says just a drop of Neroli. How can I figure out the

amount of drops for the other oils.

Thanks again for your help.

Raven

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:52:49 -0800 " Bonnie & Dave " <ddavidjr@...>

writes:

> Hi Cat;

> I have a book by the late Cunningham titled Inscense, Oil's and

> Brews.

I LOVE that book! I can't find it at the moment... it's still in a box

from the move... but I love that book. It has wonderful recipes and lots

of information.

I do recommend it. Just my $.02

Bast

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Hi Raven:

I am familiar with his books, and his perfume bouquets are great! The other

recipes are of a metaphysical nature.

The hard part is determining the amount of oils to use, especially if you

dont have the real thing to go by...try starting with the first oil he lists

as the main oil in the recipe.

For instance in the Lotus Bouquet, try:

3 drops rose f.o.

2 drops jasmine

1 drop white musk

1 drop ylang

Since neroli is the least amount (1 drop) in the Tuberose Bouquet, just

estimate the order going in reverse:

1 drop neroli

2 drops jasmine

2 drops rose

3 drops ylang

Experiment with the blends, adding more oils until the scent seems right to

you. Keep track of the amounts so you can use it as a reference later.

Good luck!

Cat >^-.-^<

> I havea book by the late Cunningham titled Inscense, Oil's and

Brews.

> In this book he tells how to make fragrances that har not available or

hard

> to get. The only trouble with this section of the book is he tells you

what

> fragrance oils to use but not the amount. How can I know what amount of

oils

> to use.For example her is what he gives for Ambergris: Cypress with a few

> drops of Patchouli

> Lotus Bouquet: Rose, Jasmine, White Musk, Ylang Ylang.

> Magnolia Bouquet: Neroli,Jasmine, Rose, Sandalwood.

> Sweet Pea Bouquet: Neroli; Ylang Ylang,Jasmine, Benzoin.

> Tuberose Bouquet: Ylang Ylang, Rose, Jasmine, Neroli.

> On this last one he says just a drop of Neroli. How can I figure out the

> amount of drops for the other oils.

> Thanks again for your help.

> Raven

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At 03:00 AM 4/19/02 +0000, you wrote:

>OK, need some help again. Someone please tell me, are fragrance oils

>considered to be a natural ingredient like essential oils are? I advertise

>my soaps and toiletries as being all-natural, and I fragrance them with

>essential oils and fragrance oils. Am I wrong? Please advise. Lana.

Lana, unless your FO supplier can give you a list of ingredients... I think

its safe to assume that all the FO's are synthetic.

that's the DIFFERENCE, you see?

there ARE no 'natural' fragrances for many of the FO's... lilac, lily of

the valley, mango/peach/berry, rain... etc.

plus...look at the price difference btwn a true, natural rose oil and a

rose FO...

to claim 'natural fragrances' when using FO's seems to me to be ...

well...you don't WANT to hear what I think of it.

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Good Morning Marge,

As I sell both, I stress to customers that the

fragrance is of no value. Sadly there are so many

people selling FO's and the customer is let to believe

thet are EO's.

Yet my cedarwood, its to early to thing, are cheaper

than if I sould them as Perfumes.

Its very sad, people believe what they are told.

I never did that well, because I told them the truth.

They came in for rose oil, I would tell them the cost,

they wanted fragrance oils, that what they were

buying.

But because they have been using fragrance oils, being

told its the real thing, its kind of like they are

brained washed.

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There are SO many wonderful FO's out there! A place to start maybe would

be WSP. She has an awesome list of fragrances, and she really has good

descriptions of them,too. Prices, as always, are great!

Shari, at Heavenly Scents.com offers a great scent package cant recall

how many but you can choose so many 1 oz. samples for I believe $15.00.

(dont quote me, I have a mind like a sieve!) But, her scents are GREAT,

too.

Also, who can forget Tony's?Everyone raves of his Dragonsblood.

If you like Oatmeal, Milk, and Honey, Try WSP's Sugared Shortbread.

It's wonderful!!

Ok, I have " talked " your ear off enough for one day!

have a sweet day,

Ronnie

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I would like to add fragrance oils to my salt scrubs but I don't know

the difference between cut and uncut oils. which should I use? what

are the pros and cons of using these oils insted of essential oils I

know that they have a wider range of scents but do htey have any

other benifits? any advice would help.

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Good Morning,

Cut and uncut fragrance oils? Hmmm not sure what that is.

I suppose cut fragrance oils would be watered down and less strong in

fragrance .

Pros and cons

Essential oils are very strong and require less amounts and are all

natural but that doesn't mean they are safe. You have to know your

oils.

Fragrance oils are chemical based and give your product a wider range of

scents.

They have no value to your health .

Make sure you get " skin safe " fragrance oils. I see a lot of co-ops and

fast buys selling fragrance oils at lower prices and are not skin safe.

( great for candles and potpourri but not your skin)

Lucinda

fragrance oils

I would like to add fragrance oils to my salt scrubs but I don't know

the difference between cut and uncut oils. which should I use? what

are the pros and cons of using these oils insted of essential oils I

know that they have a wider range of scents but do htey have any

other benifits? any advice would help.

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> I would like to add fragrance oils to my salt scrubs but I don't

know the difference between cut and uncut oils. which should I use?

what are the pros and cons of using these oils insted of essential

oils I know that they have a wider range of scents but do htey have

any other benifits? any advice would help.

There are NO benefits to skin, for any fragrance oils since they are

a synthetic and made to smell like the botanical/or other, it is

named for.

Essential oils come from botanicals and have many benefits to skin.

The list mom has good EO on her site to choose from.

hth

Sherry

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Isn't that strange, how different formulas do different things to soaps?

Another trick is too soap at low temps and to heat up the FO slightly with your

supperfatting oil, and to hand stir rather then use the stick blender.

Part of soapmaking is to get your tricks down......... I am so sleepy

today, so can't post much.

Had a disappointment recently. One of my customers was pumping me up to

sell to his sister in the Bahamas. I ordered more packaging and more supplies,

worked all weekend to finish the brochure. And gave him a call. Then gave

him another call, and another. He never returned my calls. He was obviously

BSing me.

Woe is me.

I ordered a couple of fragrances from another supplier.....and I had several

folks to tell me that they accelerated trace, but I had no problems with

them. I believe that sometimes it depends on the soap formulation you are

using, as well as the fragrance oils themselves. Because I had another

fragrance that was supposed to be fantastic, with no acceleration or seizing

problems, and within 2 minutes of stirring, I was barely able to glop the

soap into the mold. If I'd stirred once or twice more, I'd have had a brick

in my soap pot! UGH!

Moral of the story, all the way around, is YES, it's absolutely best to get

samples and test them in the soap formula you will be using. Soaping is

like cooking, and I don't think any of us do it exactly like someone else.

Even if you happen to be using the same formula as your bestest soaping

buddy, if the temperature of your oils or lye is different than your soaping

buddy, using the same identical oils and recipe.....you could end up with

two very different beasts.

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> In a message dated 10/29/2004 10:07:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> cdlucas@... writes:

>

> Sorry I can't give you a personal recommendation....but the lady that

> recommended his oils to me pretty well knows her stuff.

>

> HTH a bit!

> Candy

> You should test the samples unless you get a dirct recommendation, from

> someone who uses them in CP soaps. Labs are cheap, and they make scents

> for a

> lot of purposes, not just cp soap.

>

> Test or get a recommendation.

>

>

<SNIP>

Yes, absolutely ! That's why I said get the samples and test them.

The lady did mention to me....and I forgot to mention it in my previous

post, that she had to use the full water that was called for.....otherwise,

she did get an accelerated trace in CP. Like I said, I haven't personally

used them yet, but she did recommend them to me, and I will be ordering and

testing them myself soon. I would never recommend someone to purchase

WITHOUT getting samples and testing first. I also contacted Bear Labs, as I

didn't see it stated on the website, but I was told by Steve that all of the

oils are soap, toiletries and candle safe..... if I do REMEMBER correctly.

Sometimes the old mind slips. I will have to look back through my

emails from him to make 100% sure on that statement! Yep....found it....he

said, " All of the oils I sell are designed for bath and body products. " He

also stated that they do well in candles.

I ordered a couple of fragrances from another supplier.....and I had several

folks to tell me that they accelerated trace, but I had no problems with

them. I believe that sometimes it depends on the soap formulation you are

using, as well as the fragrance oils themselves. Because I had another

fragrance that was supposed to be fantastic, with no acceleration or seizing

problems, and within 2 minutes of stirring, I was barely able to glop the

soap into the mold. If I'd stirred once or twice more, I'd have had a brick

in my soap pot! UGH!

Moral of the story, all the way around, is YES, it's absolutely best to get

samples and test them in the soap formula you will be using. Soaping is

like cooking, and I don't think any of us do it exactly like someone else.

Even if you happen to be using the same formula as your bestest soaping

buddy, if the temperature of your oils or lye is different than your soaping

buddy, using the same identical oils and recipe.....you could end up with

two very different beasts.

Thanks so much .....I am glad you posted.....that way I could update my

statement, to make sure I had 'spoken' my point correctly. I wouldn't want

anyone to think that I would recommend something off hand. And once I

have my samples in hand from Bear Labs, and I soap them, I will post an

update here. If you guys are interested. I try my best to keep very

detailed notes, regarding water discounts, oil/lye temps, type of stirring

used (Stick blender or hand), colorants added.....that way when I make a

soap I LOVE, I can 'recreate' it.

Have a great day, and ya'll have fun soaping!

Candy (who's about to start a luscious Shea and Goat's milk blend CP soap)

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> Had a disappointment recently. One of my customers was pumping me up to

> sell to his sister in the Bahamas. I ordered more packaging and more

> supplies,

> worked all weekend to finish the brochure. And gave him a call. Then

> gave

> him another call, and another. He never returned my calls. He was

> obviously

> BSing me.

>

> Woe is me.

>

>

<SNIP>

,

I am so sorry to hear that!!! That's just not cool at all.

Perhaps something better will come in just in time! Keep the faith girl!

Take care!

Candy

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>Woe is me.

>

I'm so sorry .

Sandy

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Hi , i am so very sorry to hear that......how mean ! Never mind, I am a

great believer of what goes around, comes around...............Hugs, .

Re: Fragrance Oils

>

>

> > Had a disappointment recently. One of my customers was pumping me up

to

> > sell to his sister in the Bahamas. I ordered more packaging and more

> > supplies,

> > worked all weekend to finish the brochure. And gave him a call. Then

> > gave

> > him another call, and another. He never returned my calls. He was

> > obviously

> > BSing me.

> >

> > Woe is me.

> >

> >

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I used them before I found Rainbow Meadow and had my " essential oil awakening. "

Their warehouse is enormous and you can sample everything they have. I lived 20

miles away from them for a while. I guess their stuff is okay, if you do

fragrance oils. I know, I know I am a snob and I can deal with it.

Susie Miele <luvdatgoat13@...> wrote: Have any of you ever used

fragrence oils from Candles and supplies from Ouakertown, PA? They have good

prices but was wondering if the oils are good? Thanks, Susie

Goat Lady Soap Co.

Forever Changing Farm

Columbus,New York

www.goatladysoapco.com

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I used them before I found Rainbow Meadow and had my " essential oil awakening. "

Their warehouse is enormous and you can sample everything they have. I lived 20

miles away from them for a while. I guess their stuff is okay, if you do

fragrance oils. I know, I know I am a snob and I can deal with it.

Susie Miele <luvdatgoat13@...> wrote: Have any of you ever used

fragrence oils from Candles and supplies from Ouakertown, PA? They have good

prices but was wondering if the oils are good? Thanks, Susie

Goat Lady Soap Co.

Forever Changing Farm

Columbus,New York

www.goatladysoapco.com

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It's ok to be a snob if you can afford it.

Maggie <bundaflicka@...> wrote: I used them before I

found Rainbow Meadow and had my " essential oil awakening. " Their warehouse is

enormous and you can sample everything they have. I lived 20 miles away from

them for a while. I guess their stuff is okay, if you do fragrance oils. I know,

I know I am a snob and I can deal with it.

Susie Miele <luvdatgoat13@...> wrote: Have any of you ever used fragrence

oils from Candles and supplies from Ouakertown, PA? They have good prices but

was wondering if the oils are good? Thanks, Susie

Goat Lady Soap Co.

Forever Changing Farm

Columbus,New York

www.goatladysoapco.com

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You bring up a good point, Susie. A 16 ounce bottle of lavender is around $35.

I add that amount to a 48 pound batch of soap. How does that compare to

fragrance oil? I don't know. I do know that people tell me my lavender soap

cures their acne and other skin problems. I don't think a fragrance oil would

do that.

Susie Miele <luvdatgoat13@...> wrote: It's ok to be a snob if you

can afford it.

Maggie <bundaflicka@...> wrote: I used them before I found

Rainbow Meadow and had my " essential oil awakening. " Their warehouse is enormous

and you can sample everything they have. I lived 20 miles away from them for a

while. I guess their stuff is okay, if you do fragrance oils. I know, I know I

am a snob and I can deal with it.

Susie Miele <luvdatgoat13@...> wrote: Have any of you ever used fragrence

oils from Candles and supplies from Ouakertown, PA? They have good prices but

was wondering if the oils are good? Thanks, Susie

Goat Lady Soap Co.

Forever Changing Farm

Columbus,New York

www.goatladysoapco.com

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No it doesn't, your right. I love EO myself.

Maggie <bundaflicka@...> wrote: You bring up a good

point, Susie. A 16 ounce bottle of lavender is around $35. I add that amount to

a 48 pound batch of soap. How does that compare to fragrance oil? I don't know.

I do know that people tell me my lavender soap cures their acne and other skin

problems. I don't think a fragrance oil would do that.

Susie Miele <luvdatgoat13@...> wrote: It's ok to be a snob if you can

afford it.

Maggie <bundaflicka@...> wrote: I used them before I found

Rainbow Meadow and had my " essential oil awakening. " Their warehouse is enormous

and you can sample everything they have. I lived 20 miles away from them for a

while. I guess their stuff is okay, if you do fragrance oils. I know, I know I

am a snob and I can deal with it.

Susie Miele <luvdatgoat13@...> wrote: Have any of you ever used fragrence

oils from Candles and supplies from Ouakertown, PA? They have good prices but

was wondering if the oils are good? Thanks, Susie

Goat Lady Soap Co.

Forever Changing Farm

Columbus,New York

www.goatladysoapco.com

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